Munqaxus

@Marigoria said:
Feels like all they wanted to do was to make people not use the same perks, even if they changes they made to them were brainless.
Congratulations on achieving that ig.

But that's the thing.

All the meta perks they nerfs are fraking required by survivors. You still have to use the nerfed version of DS because it's the only perk that prevent tunneling-off-hook-till-dead. You still have to use the nerfed version of BT because it's the only perk that lets you escape face camping.

They didn't change the survivor meta at all?

in Why nerf DS at all? Comment by Munqaxus June 23, 2022

@The_C12H15NO2 said:
DH i think will be better at high level play. These are survivors who hold their dead hard to avoid the hit. Now they get that endurance and gain a ton of distance from taking the hit under endurance. Personally DH for distance should've been kept and the invulnerability should have been removed. So if a killer was able to make the hit, even if the survivor hits DH they still get the down. Using DH to create more distance between yourself and the killer just makes more sense than a free MOM.

If it kept the distance and lost the invulnerability, it should have a 3 second burst of speed like all the other endurance abilities.

in No More Dead Hard! :D Comment by Munqaxus June 23, 2022

@foxsansbox said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3021345#Comment_3021345
Oh man. Every social is killer sided and all killer mains, by default, more tenacious?
That's some copium.

Which social media platform has more survivors on it. Survivors, aren't invested in this game, like I said before. you don't see hardly any on social media platforms. But obviously you have, so where are the media platforms where it's predominately survivor players posting?

in BHVR, please take into account Otzdarva's feedback Comment by Munqaxus June 23, 2022

@fulltonon said:
It's a little funny how suddenly people starts saying SB is better.

People have been saying SB is better forever, it's not new.

However, honestly with this change, I don't see people stopping using DH. In fact, I this entire patch isn't going to affect the survivor meta at all. It just makes survivors weaker. If I play survivor, I'll still have to use the weakened Decisive Strike, I'll still have to play the weaken BT. If I ever ran DH, which I don't, I wouldn't stop using DH.

The developers nerfed a bunch of perks that survivors basically have to use. Then buffed a bunch of useless perks. "Buffing" a useless perk like Dark Sense, or Pharmacy, or Calm Spirit where you add another useless ability isn't going to make me use them. My god what a stupid patch.

in No More Dead Hard! :D Comment by Munqaxus June 23, 2022

@Mandy said:
All feedback is taken into consideration and all feedback is valid. There's no one person has a higher priority than other within our community that would be unfair - when we report feedback, we use a variety of sources including forums, socials etc.

So where are you getting survivor feedback from. I've yet to see any forums that isn't full of killer-players with a smattering of a few survivor players. This forum is killer sided, reddit is killer sided, steam is killer sided, where is the survivor heavy forums that you all are getting survivor perspectives on.

After this new developer update, I don't see anything that indicates the developers are listening to survivor players. This entire patch screws solo-queue. This is the 3rd patch in a row, where survivors have been screwed.

I hope the developers realize that this game is old and players are leaving this game because it's old.

I also hope the developers also realize that the gaming community as a whole are very obsessive about games being fair. This patch is designed to be unfair for survivor players. The developers have even stated this in the patch notes.

Killer players are tenacious, they have a lot more invested in the game, so large changes are going to affect that player base a lot less.

However, survivor-players are was less invested in this game. If the developer release something this unfair to survivor players and you are going to see them leave really quickly.

Are the developers just wanting survivor-players to quit in mass, because you release this extremely unfair and biased patch and survivor-players are just going to quit this game.

in BHVR, please take into account Otzdarva's feedback Comment by Munqaxus June 23, 2022

@Synzicle said:
survivors in general to have most of their toys gutted. I hope they gut you all more. You enjoy being in bully squads, you enjoy making the game not fun for killer mains, you enjoy trash talking, you enjoy tbagging every chance you get, you enjoy making the game more toxic than it needs to be. You caused this problem by being bigger villains than the actual killers are, and that says something. You've had your way for so long that now that your over powered bs toys are getting touched you all start crying. I really hope they completely gut all of your perks if this is the reaction it gets, it's so satisfying seeing all of these crying posts. Welcome to what killer has been dealing with for literally years at this point.

You'll enjoy 15 minute killer queues when all the survivors leave. This game is old and players are leaving just because the game is old. Killer-players tend to be more tenacious about staying, so changes to them isn't going to affect much.

However, you make the game unfair for survivors, then you will see a mass exodus. Survivor-players are not so tied to this game as killer-players. Massive nerfs to survivors-players, like you see on this patch, is going to cause large numbers of survivor-players to move to other games.

This is just flat out bad for both sides. Sure, after this patch, you'll be 4king all the time but when killer-queue times start edging to 15 minutes, because survivor-players are going to games that are actually fair, then you'll be singing a different toon.

in So are we not suppose to play solo que no more? Comment by Munqaxus June 23, 2022

@Marigoria said:
I don't understand how the devs want to "shaken up the meta" but all they did was nerf some killer slowdown perks while buffing other ones, so slowdowns will still be meta, while nerfing stealth survivor perks like Iron Will and Spine Chill, and buffing looping basekit for killers (faster breaking pallets, bloodlust buffed, faster recovery from hits).
Everyone was complaining about dead hard, and you decide to buff it, while nerfing everything else when barely anyone was complaining about it.
And again, what do solo survivors get from all these changes besides a pathetic 5 second BT? Sure it's better than nothing at all, but it's still mediocre, specially when looking at all the other changes.
Just because something is meta doesn't mean it is OP and needs to be changed.
People asking for corrupt intervention baselkit, you go and nerf it even when no one had an issue with it, just because it's used a lot...
People asking for kindred basekit, you go and nerf things that are beneficial to solo players mostly like.... self care? Because self care needed a nerf, I guess!
Also the "buffs" to pharmacy and calm spirit.... are these a joke? In what land are the buffs?

I switched over to killer exclusively because I knew the BHVR developers were going to screw over survivor-players when they did this meta change. Which is unfortunate because now I have to figure out a different game to play with my friends (this was our goto game for when my friends wanted to play an online game together).

I can't get over how hard they screwed over survivor-players, even admitting that they are handing killers free kills. All these small global buffs on the killer side are going to add up multiplicatively. Sure 10 extra seconds on a gen (Which is 12.5% slower gens) doesn't sound like much but then you add 2.5% extra gen regression on kick, 10% faster breaking pallets, faster blood-lust, with all the new Killer slowdown perk buffs.

Then you take away stuff from survivors such as Self Care, Iron Will and Decisive Strike while not giving survivors anything to compensate. The survivor buffs to change the "meta" which include: Pharmacy, Lightweight, No One Left Behind, Dark Sense, Overzealous, Saboteur and Calm Spirit will not change the usage of those perks because those perks are still useless.

Also, think about this, Killers slowdown perks were just rearranged, so they will just use different slowdown perks. So what.

However, Survivors don't have another Iron Will, or Decisive Strike, or Spine Chill. In fact, I'll say this right now, the survivor meta is not going to change at all, even with all the meta nerfs.

I still have to have to run Borrowed Time, I still have to run Decisive Strike. Why didn't the developers fix Face-Camping or fix Tunneling-off-hook-till-dead, 2 things survivors have complained about since the beginning of the game. The developers are completely out of touch with survivor players.

in Meta isn't a problem, OP perks are... Comment by Munqaxus June 23, 2022

@DrDeepwound said:
can someone post these stats? I see them referenced in threads but wanna look myself

I think this is the latest stats, but I think there was actually a newer stat release where kill rates were broken down by MMR. I thought it had released sometime close to when the meta perk usage stats were released. Maybe someone has that.

in Devs: Your Update Indicates MMR kill-rates are changing Comment by Munqaxus June 23, 2022

@jesterkind said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3020843#Comment_3020843
Not really, they just provide their value in different areas. Pharmacy is also easily on par with Self-Care, especially now that it's getting buffed in the next patch.
But alright, you want one perk and you want it to have comparable value to old Self-Care. I got one for you: Built to Last. Bring that and a good medkit, and you're set.
Survivors have a ton of options for healing, even in solo-queue. But sure, if you want to use Self-Care, nobody's stopping you- you'll just need to dedicate two slots to stubbornly insisting on using the same old perk for another six years of the game's life, instead of updating your loadout entirely. That option is still there for you.
The point is for you to look at your options with fresh eyes now. Start from scratch and ask yourself what value you want, and which options would provide that for you most effectively. Ideally, that option won't be Self-Care anymore.

I'm playing Killer exclusively right now.

So, what I'm saying is this nerfs solo queue and does nothing to SWF. None of the options you mentioned bring the same value as Self-Care does for solo queue. Solo queue needs a way to heal by themselves because solo queue players are unhooked and left to fend for themselves. In SWF, your teammates will follow you and heal you or heal you at the hook.

But alright, you want one perk and you want it to have comparable value to old Self-Care. I got one for you: Built to Last. Bring that and a good medkit, and you're set.

Self Care requires 1 perk, then you are allows to choose whatever item you want. For solo queue, you have to have a self healing perk, Self Care is the most slot efficient. SWF doesn't even need a self healing perk.

Survivors have a ton of options for healing, even in solo-queue. But sure, if you want to use Self-Care, nobody's stopping you- you'll just need to dedicate two slots to stubbornly insisting on using the same old perk for another six years of the game's life, instead of updating your loadout entirely. That option is still there for you.

Yes, but all those options are worse than Self Care for solo queue.

Pharmacy is also easily on par with Self-Care, especially now that it's getting buffed in the next patch.

For solo queue, Pharmacy is no where on par with Self-Care. If Pharmacy is the best new healing perk for solo queue it means that multiple solo queue players will use it, meaning you won't have enough chests available for it to be a good healing perk.