Overcome - Good or Just Average exhaustion perk?

Bugcats

Currently debating running Overcome over Lithe and was wondering how every rates Overcome as an exhaustion perk.

Contributions much appreciated as always :)

Munqaxus

@Bugcats said:

Currently debating running Overcome over Lithe and was wondering how every rates Overcome as an exhaustion perk.

Contributions much appreciated as always :)

It's below Dead Hard and Sprint Burst, so I guess average.

KerJuice

Personally I put it third- behind Dead Hard and Sprint Burst, respectively. Comes in handy when you zoom off towards a strong loop, or an area where there are no gens and only 1 gen left to do. If the killer insists on pursuing you there, then you punish hard (unless it’s Nurse). If it’s Nurse, then you just die like usual. 😂

GoshJosh

Lithe is more reliable. Overcome requires you to be healthy and not exhausted to work. Powerless against one shot killers and perks. It’s only just above Smash Hit.

ThatOneDemoPlayer

Second best Exhaustion Perk

GoshJosh

@ThatOneDemoPlayer said:

Second best Exhaustion Perk

That's a hot take. Maybe if it worked while protected by the endurance status effect (like it did while it was bugged), it might be situationally better than Sprint Burst.. but in no way is it second right now.

dspaceman20

I love overcome definitely a solid exhaustion perk. You get so much distance even more the sprint burst. It's great and makes other builds nice

Veinslay

I love Overcome users, they're easiest to tunnel. Both cause they're usually potato survivors that can't loop and it doesn't work when injured

Mazoobi

It has its uses.

It can easily discourage killers from chasing you since the distance it gives is a LOT considering the killer is also wiping their weapon.

The ONLY thing I don't like about it is how it relies on a NON-insta down killer or that you're not exposed in any way.

Aven_Fallen

Clearly outclassed by Sprint Burst and Dead Hard. And probably Lithe as well.

But it is probably better than Balanced Landing, Head On or Smash Hit - but this is not difficult...

Aurelle

I love Overcome and I've been using it a lot more lately. Sure, Dead Hard and Sprint Burst are way better, but Overcome has gotten me out of chases faster than any of those 2 perks. And the killers tend to leave me alone when I bring it, so that's a plus.

IlliterateGenocide

The Fact that they nerfed it so it doesn't work with endurance makes it kinda crap

CrowVortex

I like it tbh, very good for heavy M1 killer's , even against huntress and deathslinger breaking line of sight quicker.

TotemSeeker91

@Bugcats said:

Currently debating running Overcome over Lithe and was wondering how every rates Overcome as an exhaustion perk.

Contributions much appreciated as always :)

Eh, I guess it's fine, you're guaranteed to use it if you engage with the killer I guess, I personally like lithe more because you're in control of when you drop the chase

Marcavecunc

Good. Better than most. But as TotemSeeker said, I prefer Light. But overcome is a good one since you'll use it in a chase anyway, as you usually will with Lithe

ReverseVelocity

I wouldn't run it over Lithe.

Icaurs

Overcome is by far the best exhaustion perk in the game. Not even dead hard can beat it, and for these reasons.

1. Its easier to use then dead hard. Even dead hard requires survivors to be near pallets and loops in order to get proper value. Using dead hard in the open is is unlikely to buy any real time. Overcome can be used in the open, if you get hit at loops. It also requires no input from the survivors making it by far the least skilful perk in the game.
2. It is actually uncountable. As hard as it is, and as rare as it is Dead hard can be countered. Its extremely hard yes but there are ways to work around it. Forcing the Dead hard with killer powers, forcing an early DH by going for a swing and general predicting it avoiding a miss swing. I'm not saying its easy, which is why DH has been the best exhaustion perk for so long, but it yes you can counter it. Dr shocks, demo shred, huntress, trickster projectiles and of course instant downing killers or killers with high mobility. In contrast overcome only has two counters, high mobile killers like blight, nurse ect and instant down killers like leatherface and scream.
3. The raw value of the perk is at least equal if not better the then dead hard. Dead hard requires a survivor to loop at pallets and tiles in order for value. What makes it strong is that it gives survivors the ability to fix an error on their part with one button. However plenty of tiles can be mind gamed by killers and those that can't, the killer won't bothering to mind game anyway so they just break it. So generally you get around 20-30 seconds per dead hard. obviously it varies based on killer and map but I think that's fair. so 20-30 for one pallet is strong. However with overcome you can actually traverse one side of the map to the other(generally around 20-30 seconds with no pallet usage. The perks are hard to compare but raw time 20 seconds near guaranteed is extremely good.
4. Lastly the perk combinations. Overcome can be combined with so many perk combinations. DH really does not blend with anything that makes it bland and uninteresting and also easy to predict. Once you have used your speed boost to break line of sight, combine yourself with any scratch mark removing, pain hiding perk and you are near guaranteed to escape the chase. Deception, lucky break, iron will, quick and quiet, shadow step, dance with me, lightweight. They vary in strength but they are all viable. The main combination if I really want to lose a chase. Overcome, lucky break, iron will and quick and quiet. Overcomes to lose line of sight, lucky break to remove scratch marks, iron will to hide groans of pain and quick and quiet to enter a locker. Escape is near guaranteed at least once per a match and more then once if you use a medkit. Then once you get belter, you replace quick and quiet with built to last. Now you are using lucky break 2-3 times a match, and there is little a killer can do about it.

Bran

Really is dependent on the person, but it's better than sprint burst.

As for dead hard, just personal opinion whether you'd rather use dh or oc.

EvilSerje

So far it's the best exhaustion perk to me, helps me stall killer for another 30 seconds and give some time for my team, instead of going on a hook immediately.

sonata93

@Icaurs said:

Overcome is by far the best exhaustion perk in the game. Not even dead hard can beat it, and for these reasons.

1. Its easier to use then dead hard. Even dead hard requires survivors to be near pallets and loops in order to get proper value. Using dead hard in the open is is unlikely to buy any real time. Overcome can be used in the open, if you get hit at loops. It also requires no input from the survivors making it by far the least skilful perk in the game.
2. It is actually uncountable. As hard as it is, and as rare as it is Dead hard can be countered. Its extremely hard yes but there are ways to work around it. Forcing the Dead hard with killer powers, forcing an early DH by going for a swing and general predicting it avoiding a miss swing. I'm not saying its easy, which is why DH has been the best exhaustion perk for so long, but it yes you can counter it. Dr shocks, demo shred, huntress, trickster projectiles and of course instant downing killers or killers with high mobility. In contrast overcome only has two counters, high mobile killers like blight, nurse ect and instant down killers like leatherface and scream.
3. The raw value of the perk is at least equal if not better the then dead hard. Dead hard requires a survivor to loop at pallets and tiles in order for value. What makes it strong is that it gives survivors the ability to fix an error on their part with one button. However plenty of tiles can be mind gamed by killers and those that can't, the killer won't bothering to mind game anyway so they just break it. So generally you get around 20-30 seconds per dead hard. obviously it varies based on killer and map but I think that's fair. so 20-30 for one pallet is strong. However with overcome you can actually traverse one side of the map to the other(generally around 20-30 seconds with no pallet usage. The perks are hard to compare but raw time 20 seconds near guaranteed is extremely good.
4. Lastly the perk combinations. Overcome can be combined with so many perk combinations. DH really does not blend with anything that makes it bland and uninteresting and also easy to predict. Once you have used your speed boost to break line of sight, combine yourself with any scratch mark removing, pain hiding perk and you are near guaranteed to escape the chase. Deception, lucky break, iron will, quick and quiet, shadow step, dance with me, lightweight. They vary in strength but they are all viable. The main combination if I really want to lose a chase. Overcome, lucky break, iron will and quick and quiet. Overcomes to lose line of sight, lucky break to remove scratch marks, iron will to hide groans of pain and quick and quiet to enter a locker. Escape is near guaranteed at least once per a match and more then once if you use a medkit. Then once you get belter, you replace quick and quiet with built to last. Now you are using lucky break 2-3 times a match, and there is little a killer can do about it.

I actually agree with most of this; I think Overcome is a really underrated exhaustion perk.

My issue with it, as you said, is that it's completely negated by killers with insta-down abilities. I generally find SB and Lithe more efficent as these can still be used during chases against killers who can insta-down, whereas Overcome requires the M1 injured hit to activate. The only counter to SB/Lithe is Doctor's shocks, or perks/addons which cause the exhausted effect (such as Fearmonger).

For me, I'd personally rate the exhaustion perks this way:

Top Tier: Sprint Burst and Lithe

Mid Tier: Balanced Landing, Overcome, and Dead Hard

Bottom Tier: Smash Hit and Head On

I know it's controversial putting DH as mid-tier lol but I think it's so, so overrated and I personally much prefer exhaustion perks which give you good distance and can be matched with other perks for better effect (Smash Hit with Parental Guidence, or Lithe with Q&Q and Dance With Me). I can't wait for the day DH gets nerfed so that we stop getting threads about it being OP every day haha!

TheMadCat

@GoshJosh said:

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2992680#Comment_2992680

That's a hot take. Maybe if it worked while protected by the endurance status effect (like it did while it was bugged), it might be situationally better than Sprint Burst.. but in no way is it second right now.

Wait, what? It doesn't work with Endurance? I didn't use Overcome for a long time, but last time I did, it worked with Endurance.

brokedownpalace

A lot of killers just give up once they see I'm using it, so that's helpful lol

TheMadCat

@sonata93 said:

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2992838#Comment_2992838

I actually agree with most of this; I think Overcome is a really underrated exhaustion perk.

My issue with it, as you said, is that it's completely negated by killers with insta-down abilities. I generally find SB and Lithe more efficent as these can still be used during chases against killers who can insta-down, whereas Overcome requires the M1 injured hit to activate. The only counter to SB/Lithe is Doctor's shocks, or perks/addons which cause the exhausted effect (such as Fearmonger).

For me, I'd personally rate the exhaustion perks this way:

Top Tier: Sprint Burst and Lithe

Mid Tier: Balanced Landing, Overcome, and Dead Hard

Bottom Tier: Smash Hit and Head On

I know it's controversial putting DH as mid-tier lol but I think it's so, so overrated and I personally much prefer exhaustion perks which give you good distance and can be matched with other perks for better effect (Smash Hit with Parental Guidence, or Lithe with Q&Q and Dance With Me). I can't wait for the day DH gets nerfed so that we stop getting threads about it being OP every day haha!

DH is top tier if used correctly, like making the distance to reach a window/pallet or the Exit Gate or avoinding a hit.

But it's bottom tier if not used correctly, which is what most people seem to do. Like, press E too near a window, so they can't vault and get stuck. Or press E in a dead zone while the Killer didn't even fake a hit and they wasted a perk slot because it did nothing to save their a**.

FilthyLegionMain

@GoshJosh said:

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2992680#Comment_2992680

That's a hot take. Maybe if it worked while protected by the endurance status effect (like it did while it was bugged), it might be situationally better than Sprint Burst.. but in no way is it second right now.

I wish that was still a thing... Just like I wish that THE RUBBERBANDING ISSUE WOULD BE FIXED SOON!

sonata93

@TheMadCat said:

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2995515#Comment_2995515

DH is top tier if used correctly, like making the distance to reach a window/pallet or the Exit Gate or avoinding a hit.

But it's bottom tier if not used correctly, which is what most people seem to do. Like, press E too near a window, so they can't vault and get stuck. Or press E in a dead zone while the Killer didn't even fake a hit and they wasted a perk slot because it did nothing to save their a**.

I agree! That's kinda what I was trying to say when I said DH was overrated. What I meant by this was that DH isn't 100% reliable and can easily be negated by killers bating it, or it being used in dead zones. DH requires precision and timing to be as effective as it can be, whereas perks such as Lithe or SB are far more reliable and always work well - they're generally much more reliable and rarely let you down.

GoshJosh

@TheMadCat said:

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2992691#Comment_2992691

Wait, what? It doesn't work with Endurance? I didn't use Overcome for a long time, but last time I did, it worked with Endurance.

It was acknowledged as a bug and changed. It was the one redeeming quality of Overcome, that gave it a situational edge over the other exhaustion perks. Shouldn’t have been removed.

SleepyWillo

Worst exhaustion perk in the game imho.

Useless if exposed.

Useless if getting tunnelled off the hook (and the only exhaustion perk to be useless off the hook).

Even Smash Hit, as bad as it is, still works in both of those instances...

DoritoHead

Boring, worse Sprint Burst imo