Why do you need this feature on the forum if dislikes are deleted everywhere, including on YouTube? I mean, if you make any suggestion, everything will depend on who is more on the forum - the killers or the survivors.
Psychologically all humans get a small dopamine hit for every upvote, but have a much stronger reaction to a downvote. Even those who think they don't care, are still manipulated by this somewhat to alter their behaviour, e.g. some almost go out of their way to get downvotes to minimise its psychological impact on themselves.
What this means is people become reluctant to say what they actually think unless what they say happens to be the popular opinion, and this of course leads to the echo chambers we see on social media platforms, where everyone parrots the popular view with no actual arguments, and few people are willing to speak out against the popular view for fear of being ratioed.
This effect is somewhat already in place for just up votes, but the difference is an informed opinion and/or well reasoned argument that opposes yours often gets upvoted instead of your own. Often you still get upvotes from those that agree with you, but anyone with some self awareness will still realise their view is the less agreed with, and that doesn't have anywhere near the same level of psychological impact as being mass down voted... so people still generally say what they think. Downvotes strip that away, and manipulates people to form into mobs or cliques.
I myself am aware of my own issues with being manipulated by social media, it's the main reason I came off all other social media platforms. Even though I am aware of its impact on my behaviour, I can still be heavily manipulated by it, and it takes considerable effort to rise above it... effort most people won't or can't do.
The result is downvotes tend to discourage discussion and instead discussions trend towards click bait/buzzwords and discrediting your opponent by parroting whatever the latest trend is to rally support from the masses instead of discussing the issue...
What they should be, is discussions where perspectives are challenged and creditted based on the evidence brought for the respective arguments... and a downvote eliminates all need to actually engage with the opposing point of view.
So if it were me... I'd definitely not keep this feature. 😁
when people look at the vote ratio first it increases the echo chamber factor.
this gives, for example, in this forum, BHVR the opportunity to make opinions look like they are rejected by the community, even if they are only rejected by BHVR with no way for people to know.
I'm not saying that this is the plan, but everyone should keep the possibility in mind.
Psychologically all humans get a small dopamine hit for every upvote, but have a much stronger reaction to a downvote. Even those who think they don't care, are still manipulated by this somewhat to alter their behaviour, e.g. some almost go out of their way to get downvotes to minimise its psychological impact on themselves.
What this means is people become reluctant to say what they actually think unless what they say happens to be the popular opinion, and this of course leads to the echo chambers we see on social media platforms, where everyone parrots the popular view with no actual arguments, and few people are willing to speak out against the popular view for fear of being ratioed.
This effect is somewhat already in place for just up votes, but the difference is an informed opinion and/or well reasoned argument that opposes yours often gets upvoted instead of your own. Often you still get upvotes from those that agree with you, but anyone with some self awareness will still realise their view is the less agreed with, and that doesn't have anywhere near the same level of psychological impact as being mass down voted... so people still generally say what they think. Downvotes strip that away, and manipulates people to form into mobs or cliques.
I myself am aware of my own issues with being manipulated by social media, it's the main reason I came off all other social media platforms. Even though I am aware of its impact on my behaviour, I can still be heavily manipulated by it, and it takes considerable effort to rise above it... effort most people won't or can't do.
The result is downvotes tend to discourage discussion and instead discussions trend towards click bait/buzzwords and discrediting your opponent by parroting whatever the latest trend is to rally support from the masses instead of discussing the issue...
What they should be, is discussions where perspectives are challenged and creditted based on the evidence brought for the respective arguments... and a downvote eliminates all need to actually engage with the opposing point of view.
So if it were me... I'd definitely not keep this feature. 😁
I agree with the opinion of this popular person. Like, for real... Downvotes seem likely to create a sort of chilling effect where people with legitimate thoughts or opinions that aren't in the majority will choose not to voice them. While it's likely that combining downvotes with upvotes could be used as a way to directly compare supporting and opposing viewpoints on certain topics, that seems better left to polls. Polls instead allow people to downvote things without incidentally leading to the suppression of new ideas. Well said @UndeddJester!
No idea why they brought Downvotes back. They were on the forums some time ago and were removed because they just dont work. And I have to say, they still down work.
Downvotes will only be used to Downvote other opinions without having to put some thought into it why those opinions are bad. Without Downvotes at least, people who think that someone is writing nonsense, cannot express it except if they want to bring some arguments themselves - which is how good discussions work.
What @UndeddJester wrote is also true that some people would not want to write something in fear of getting downvoted. And this Forum is already a big echo chamber…
I honestly dont really think downvoting really does anything positive for the discussions that happen on these forums. I've seen on other forums for other games in the past where trolls would silently troll every single comment, mass downvoting everyone. If a comment gets downvoted enough will it get buried? If so, thats a really bad thing. Thats what reddit does and we all know how well that has worked for turning every discussion into an echo chamber.
Forum boards exist to have conversations, and where there are conversations, you will typically find opinions, and sometimes inconvenient truths. A massively upvoted comment is not necessarily correct just as a massively downvoted one is not always wrong. Its not a popularity contest.
Hopefully its a wierd glitch, or some test, but this is the exact reason I avoided reddit. Thankfully ffxiv forums do not do downvotes either. Also I thought my message went through but I guess my phone glitched out lol.
I am downvoting comments just because I am easily entertained and the novelty of downvoting mods in particular is pleasant.
If you can, drop a guy a downvote will ya please?
OMG thanks all, 15 downvotes already is a dream come true
All that aside, I freaking love the internet, you add a dislike button and it is immediately turned into a means to meme on everyone lmao. Never change internet, never change
OMG thanks all, 15 downvotes already is a dream come true
All that aside, I freaking love the internet, you add a dislike button and it is immediately turned into a means to meme on everyone lmao. Never change internet, never change
Yeah already seeing how abused it already is as some people who always makes nice comments and great advise like undeed jester getting hammered in downvotes and its most likely all these new troll accounts. Hopefully Mandy or someone gives some info on this or its simply removed.
Hey whoa, how do you find this? I literally never get notifications when replied to. Even when I click All Notifications there's nothing. This is what mine looks like. I always have to try and remember what I've commented on.
Hey whoa, how do you find this? I literally never get notifications when replied to. Even when I click All Notifications there's nothing. This is what mine looks like. I always have to try and remember what I've commented on.
Hey whoa, how do you find this? I literally never get notifications when replied to. Even when I click All Notifications there's nothing. This is what mine looks like. I always have to try and remember what I've commented on.
That and downvotes. Tags i can see becoming useful, atm tho they have only 3 categories. Downvotes on the other hand need to go, they just paint false poor reputations on peopels opinions
I'm ngl, if this site didn't have enough issues with the way players approach each other, I feel like this could make things around the forums a lot more toxic. Hope I'm wrong.
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yea
..so you can get ratio now. 😈😈😈😈😈😈😈🙂🙂🙂
this should be fun
Honestly I cant wait for people to complain when their posts get mass down voted. (Grrr, how dare people not agree with me.)
Who asked for a down vote button?
Mojo Jojo was it o.O
I give it 24hrs
Yes
It’s going to be a rough start but the whole middle part is going to be so much fun.
It certainly wasn't us here in the minority. I would like to not have this place look like certain other popular internet forums.
I feel like downvotes were turned on by accident. We had them here years ago and they were removed.
That is possible. The "Read All Notifications" button is also gone.
I like the downvotes honestly. It should stay.
Nope. It's deliberate.
People will weaponize this, not good
I feel like upvotes should be first and down vote second. I have accidentally down voted comments 🫣
Same… I can't quote without downvoting on accident first. My muscle memory is all confused 😐️🤨
I love how they added Vote Down in front of Vote Up.
Not that every other social media platform dose it the opposite way.
Why do you need this feature on the forum if dislikes are deleted everywhere, including on YouTube? I mean, if you make any suggestion, everything will depend on who is more on the forum - the killers or the survivors.
I think it's a bad idea to have downvotes.
Psychologically all humans get a small dopamine hit for every upvote, but have a much stronger reaction to a downvote. Even those who think they don't care, are still manipulated by this somewhat to alter their behaviour, e.g. some almost go out of their way to get downvotes to minimise its psychological impact on themselves.
What this means is people become reluctant to say what they actually think unless what they say happens to be the popular opinion, and this of course leads to the echo chambers we see on social media platforms, where everyone parrots the popular view with no actual arguments, and few people are willing to speak out against the popular view for fear of being ratioed.
This effect is somewhat already in place for just up votes, but the difference is an informed opinion and/or well reasoned argument that opposes yours often gets upvoted instead of your own. Often you still get upvotes from those that agree with you, but anyone with some self awareness will still realise their view is the less agreed with, and that doesn't have anywhere near the same level of psychological impact as being mass down voted... so people still generally say what they think. Downvotes strip that away, and manipulates people to form into mobs or cliques.
I myself am aware of my own issues with being manipulated by social media, it's the main reason I came off all other social media platforms. Even though I am aware of its impact on my behaviour, I can still be heavily manipulated by it, and it takes considerable effort to rise above it... effort most people won't or can't do.
The result is downvotes tend to discourage discussion and instead discussions trend towards click bait/buzzwords and discrediting your opponent by parroting whatever the latest trend is to rally support from the masses instead of discussing the issue...
What they should be, is discussions where perspectives are challenged and creditted based on the evidence brought for the respective arguments... and a downvote eliminates all need to actually engage with the opposing point of view.
So if it were me... I'd definitely not keep this feature. 😁
when people look at the vote ratio first it increases the echo chamber factor.
this gives, for example, in this forum, BHVR the opportunity to make opinions look like they are rejected by the community, even if they are only rejected by BHVR with no way for people to know.
I'm not saying that this is the plan, but everyone should keep the possibility in mind.
Well... This was certainly a choice.
Thank you for bringing this up, I don't think this was intentional and I sent the information to Mandy so she can look into it.
Could simply be that Vanilla pushed out an update to the forums and it overwrote the settings, so we'll see.
They posted in another thread, saying it's an intentional test: https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3887757/#Comment_3887757
Oh thank you, I missed it.
I agree with the opinion of this popular person. Like, for real... Downvotes seem likely to create a sort of chilling effect where people with legitimate thoughts or opinions that aren't in the majority will choose not to voice them. While it's likely that combining downvotes with upvotes could be used as a way to directly compare supporting and opposing viewpoints on certain topics, that seems better left to polls. Polls instead allow people to downvote things without incidentally leading to the suppression of new ideas. Well said @UndeddJester!
No idea why they brought Downvotes back. They were on the forums some time ago and were removed because they just dont work. And I have to say, they still down work.
Downvotes will only be used to Downvote other opinions without having to put some thought into it why those opinions are bad. Without Downvotes at least, people who think that someone is writing nonsense, cannot express it except if they want to bring some arguments themselves - which is how good discussions work.
What @UndeddJester wrote is also true that some people would not want to write something in fear of getting downvoted. And this Forum is already a big echo chamber…
Overall, really not a good idea.
It'd be fine if there had to be a reason for down voting but unfortunately some people just down vote to be trolls
Me
It's still there but for some reason the notification widget has 2 scroll bars now
Idk why im getting downvoted, this is what it looks like for me
I see both good and bad outcomes from this lol.
At least it will be funny.
Downvotes badges next
I am downvoting comments just because I am easily entertained and the novelty of downvoting mods in particular is pleasant.
If you can, drop a guy a downvote will ya please?
Downvoted. Feel free to downvote n subscribe back to me in the tab below 👇️ and I'll be seeing you in the fog, guys. Have a good one.
Huh...I can upvote AND down vote the same post? Interesting
Survivors>Killers
I honestly dont really think downvoting really does anything positive for the discussions that happen on these forums. I've seen on other forums for other games in the past where trolls would silently troll every single comment, mass downvoting everyone. If a comment gets downvoted enough will it get buried? If so, thats a really bad thing. Thats what reddit does and we all know how well that has worked for turning every discussion into an echo chamber.
Forum boards exist to have conversations, and where there are conversations, you will typically find opinions, and sometimes inconvenient truths. A massively upvoted comment is not necessarily correct just as a massively downvoted one is not always wrong. Its not a popularity contest.
Hopefully its a wierd glitch, or some test, but this is the exact reason I avoided reddit. Thankfully ffxiv forums do not do downvotes either. Also I thought my message went through but I guess my phone glitched out lol.
OMG thanks all, 15 downvotes already is a dream come true
All that aside, I freaking love the internet, you add a dislike button and it is immediately turned into a means to meme on everyone lmao. Never change internet, never change
Redditors.
Yeah already seeing how abused it already is as some people who always makes nice comments and great advise like undeed jester getting hammered in downvotes and its most likely all these new troll accounts. Hopefully Mandy or someone gives some info on this or its simply removed.
Hey whoa, how do you find this? I literally never get notifications when replied to. Even when I click All Notifications there's nothing. This is what mine looks like. I always have to try and remember what I've commented on.
must be because you are austrian
Australian 😅 look we gave the world Bluey, the internet can at least give me my notifications 🤨
THE KING HAS RISEN
Tap on this icon to change the notification settings
Legend, thank you!
That and downvotes. Tags i can see becoming useful, atm tho they have only 3 categories. Downvotes on the other hand need to go, they just paint false poor reputations on peopels opinions
I'm ngl, if this site didn't have enough issues with the way players approach each other, I feel like this could make things around the forums a lot more toxic. Hope I'm wrong.