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@pidgeon said:
Knight is still in a good spot even after adding back counterplay.
- Survivors waste more pallets
- You break pallets remotely
- Guards waste tons of time (Especially with Ruin)
- Decent chase potential
- Great map pressure
Also in case any Knight players didn't know this a little bonus tip being that as long as you aren't within 8 meters of your guard their 3x chase multiplier won't go up, so you can bodyblock doors and windows to force either you or your guard to get a free hit. Also remember to cancel your power if you don't hear any survivors.
you cannot bodyblock the survivor that is being hunted
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@Wyndsor said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4085485#Comment_4085485
Aka give up when its a 1v1. Got it.
well, i guess, if you arent confident enough to hold off M1 no power(no bloodlust?) killer for a certain time? Which most of the time, in my experience, means you were just hiding to wait till your teammates died
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My idea with the hatch change for the long time was that it spawns the same way as it is right now, but works differently:
If killer finds the hatch first and closes it - survivor instantly sacrificed (killed by the entity, like endgame collapse)
If survivor finds the hatch first and jumps into it - he teleported into different location and 2 minute (subjective for balancing) timer starts. Now the killer can't close the hatch, he has to find and enter it, and down survivor before timer runs out (timer starts the moment survivor enters the hatch, not the moment the killer does it)
Inside the hatch, all perks, items and powers are disabled, killer speed is set to 4.6 (maybe also no bloodlust?), and there are some basic tiles (not randomized? More like halloween location (not in terms of strenght of the tiles), where it is always the same. not sure about that)
If survivor manages to last 2 minutes inside - they escape. If downed - killed by the entity.
What do you think about this? It doesnt fix the 2v1 problem, but at least it makes the last one escaping feel more deserved, instead of the simple "i'm feeling lucky"
upd. Maybe also add killer instinct for a few seconds when killer enters the hatch, so the survivor has to outlast killer in chase, not just hide till the timer runs out -
@top500spiderman said:
the automatic damage being removed is 100% right. But i dont think you can revault after a leap vault.
you still can revault
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@cogsturning said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4063270#Comment_4063270
Every time I see these nerf-survivor posts complaining about something as minor as this I have to assume it's a player issue. All the things survivors were promised last year were ripped away, plus medkits nerfed on top (and I'm sure toolboxes are next), and people want something as minor as the 5s extra BT taken away too. It's the wanting survivors to spawn on the hook joke that never goes away.
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4063278#Comment_4063278
As others already said, I think it has a lot to do with your momentum. I had a match yesterday that was 20 grueling minutes. Three injured survivors on death hook trying to repair a last gen I could no longer regress, but could still use for Nowhere to Hide, and I had Nurse's Calling, so they couldn't safely heal. Gen gets done and I get one of them. Dead. I use an aura add-on to find one on edge map. Dead. I closed hatch at shack with the last one nearby. They ended up escaping solely because they'd found a key and I'm so unaccustomed to the rare clanking sound of hatch being opened it took me a second to register it and I didn't react fast enough. Good for them though. But they all worked hard to get that gen done and I still won.
But even in matches where I threw and got one hook I've still won. The big difference is killers can play awful and still win, while survivors have no such luxury. There's no way for a bad survivor team to just suddenly win after they were losing. And that's what I don't understand with this community. Some people want to perform poorly with the stronger role and still get freebies.
Three injured survivors on death hook trying to repair a last gen I could no longer regress, but could still use for Nowhere to Hide…how would you use NtH on a blocked gen? 🤨
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@azaxydbd said:
if u see a crow on the locker just fake it and then grab the survivor, if u get stunned u got outplayed, there is no reason to nerf a perk that is not commonly used anyway.
you can't grab head on
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The "I HAVE to win" mentalityShouldn't the point of a game be to have fun? To have a break from stress and relax?And what if to me the most fun i get in a game is if i win a hard, stressful match?
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4 matches - 2 cheaters
First cheater match - subtle speedhacking Nea, that, after getting caught twice in endgame (3 survivors left), just pressed "I escape" right after getting caged
Second match - No idea who, but someone just decided to open a gate at 7 gens. My teammate said it was Nea (Again, lol) ((That wasn't the same Nea)), that also turned invisible in the middle of chase -
@Dem34888 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4053072#Comment_4053072
1. Where did I defend VPN?
2. PvP games are all rules-based, not random, and where did the developers even personally state that this is a PvP game? Community-organized tournaments are purely their idea, and even then, people play with restrictions on perks, killers, and maps
3. You're misinterpreting my post, because I'm saying that people with high ping aren't always those using a VPN. There are many factors that can increase ping, such as distance to the nearest server or its complete absence, but you're reducing it all to one criterion: they use a VPN
The claim that DBD is a PvP game is false and has no official confirmation. The only official information is that they changed the gameplay approach from hide-and-seek to running, and now the entire meta/new perks rely on auras and fast chases/info
It is very strange to base your opinion and arguments on the fact that someone should have an advantage over another based on unconfirmed sources
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@killerjuker said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4051778#Comment_4051778
Having thousands of hours of experience correlates with skill level because experienced players have had more time to learn the game, so they tend to play better. The learning curve should be on the part of the killer here, since they're the ones playing a new killer with new mechanics. But there is no learning curve to dominate with this killer, aside from the very basic understanding of point and click.
i have a buddy, that played 15k+ hours this game. Once i played against him in a 1v1 as various killers - he was 90% of the time going down in 10-15 seconds (i had almost 2k hours). So, no, hours do not corellate with skill
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@Junylar said:
You know she is in a uniquely bad spot when you realize she is the only 110% killer with no ranged attack.
Rin, Chucky
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@pickle4juice said:
I had an idea for a survivor perk. The idea is this: activate ability, whenever activated, your aura is revealed to the killer for the next ten seconds, if you manage to last 25/20/15 seconds without entering a locker or chase during this time, gain indefinite noise reduction and no scratch marks, and if your hit while injured, you go in deep wound. this can only be used once per trail, and the effect will cease whenever hooked. if you are caught within the time you need to remain unseen or enter a locker, you gain broken and hindered and oblivious until downed
so, just use it when killer carries the survivor?
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@Reinami said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4035081#Comment_4035081
This is why while that is happening they shouldn't be able to do any of that stuff.
you would also need to disable window vaulting (Last Stand) and locker usage (Head on)
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@BongoBoys said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4030137#Comment_4030137
The multiplier and stuff for anti camp is staying? Just clarifying
i believe, yes
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anti-camp reverted to 16m, other changes go live
anti-tunnel and anti-slug reverted, basekit BT buffed to 15s
Cenobite basekit reverted
Skull Merchant undetectable now gained via recalling drone, not deploying -
@KEYKYNTAK said:
Киллер берёт сочетание перков "Порча не смерть", "Порча охотничий азарт", "Порча лик мрака", "Порча погибель" и это НЕВОЗМОЖНО сломать!
Лик мрака срабатывает слишком часто и сбивает поломку тотема с порчей + киллер за время поломки тотема 10 раз успевает с любого конца карты прийти.
Почему тотемы выживших слышны за 20 метров и киллер тушит их 1 кнопкой? Почему мы не можем также охранять свои тотемы что бы киллер тушил их 50 секунд и ему сбивалось это чем-то?Лови лик мрака на себя (будь сурвом, который его затриггерил) и иди ломай. Ты нe будeшь кричать от Лика мрака, который сработал от твоeго ранения
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there is no logic. They literally ask you about things they HAVEN'T changed
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@Dem34888 said:
I always thought Bubba was the killer who eats survivors resources, specifically pallets, to the max, and the smart way to counter him was to exploit windows / spin him around yourself / know the timing and jump in/out of the locker / trick him with texture angles
I seriously wouldn't even unhook that survivor from the video, she just gave the killer a ton of resources in the first chase, without thinking about looping at all, as if she was the only one playing against the killer, then Bubba would switch to another and he would immediately down because everything was already used…
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Sadly this was viable, they still had plenty of pallets left too" -
@Birken13 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4028396#Comment_4028396
Wasn't that the previous iteration?
yes, it was. Outside of Dracula and Executioner, the only change is a little buff of antislug (well, i guess, removal of Legion). There are zero class changes
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@Abbzy said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4028008#Comment_4028008
The gens will skyrocket because there is -2,5% speed each time gen is compleated and +2,5% repair speed when 2 survivors are caged I think so only smart and evil play is to tunnel some survviors fast early on because having 1 or 2 survivors dead on 4 gens left is way better than having one hook on every survivor and one guy is dead hook. So best way to actualy get much higher chance to win and have no fear from preforming to well so survivors will just get speed bonus to gens and rush you in no time is to tunnel in 2v8 too sadly.
it's actually +2.5% per cage, -5% per gen
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@steezo_de said:
I'll say it: GIVE ME MORE ABANDON OPPORTUNITIES!
Whatever you got, BHVR, I"ll take it. Get me out and to the next game faster. I don't care about an L, but if a game is over, it's over. I might go back to solo queue if you do. :D
Thank you and you're welcome.
so, when killer downed you 3 times, the game is "over"?
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also don't forget - gens in 2v8 take 70 seconds at base to be completed. Not to mention "anti-snowball" mechanic (+2.5% gen speed per hook, -5% gen speed per gen completed)
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@ArcT said:
As recently as June was an entirely massively killer sided """"handholding"""" update that addressed a buttload of killer's primary complaints. 9.0, which had:
AFK crows turbo buffed through the roof
Go Next prevention (no more 4%ing)
Basekit mori
Spawn rules changed
Map offerings hard nerfedOn top of that, a ton of killer perks got buffs, and the only survivor perks anywhere near the meta (Babysitter and Botany) were both nerfed.
So killers got """""handholding""""" help for:
Survivors trying to play stealthy.
Survivors being able to self-unhook.
Kills on survivors that they couldn't pick up in endgame due to wiggle off.
Preventing survivors from being instantly spread on gens to slow down the early game.
Preventing survivors from being able to guarantee favorable maps.The equal-attention buffs to survivor in this update were… additional penalties for going next, and more BP in the Lightbringer category. Since you're so against """"""handholding""""", do you think that if we go back to June, we'll see you railing against all these changes as well? Or when killers benefit, are they necessary corrections for unfair game mechanics?
and the only survivor perks anywhere near the meta (Babysitter and Botany) were both nerfed.
Babysitter got his buff from 8.7.0 reverted back to 8.1.0 state
Botany LITERALLY got buffed, what are you talking about?? -
@XDgamer018 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4020229#Comment_4020229
ig weve found a use for deerstalkers rework then lmfao
nope, since elusive protects them from aura read
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what is there? Image isn't downloading for me :(
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@OrangeBear said:
This really needs to be addressed, saying they would do something and then not do it is bad.
At the very least they have been using the kill switch better, with mindbreaker being kill switched less than 24hrs after it became bugged.that's not even the first time they did that
Remember how they promised to release killer and survivor stats in July?
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@UnicornMedal said:
Based on what we've seen, I think they're always "testing" things behind the scenes without telling us. Whenever something evades the killswitch, I feel like it's something they're gathering data on. Which, if that's the case, they should really be more transparent about it. You can't really lie to your audience and then expect them to have a good relationship with you. In my opinion.
that's my problem. they promised they will tell us killswitch criteria. But… that's it
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@CorvidXCVIII said:
This is true because Deerstalker isn't like other aura read perks. You're not applying aura read in the same way you would with Lethal, instead you're giving the survivor aura read on you. Since it's the survivor seeing you that triggers Deerstalker, it still only lasts as long as they can read your aura.
i wonder if eye of belmont will increase this aura read
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И пропала)) Что тут, что в ЛС 😅
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@dark_hunter92 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3995867#Comment_3995867
Late game, if the killer hasn't received any debuffs (sacrificing before 6 hooks, hooking unique survivors) they very well can tunnel and slug without being penalized and still take the game. I've faced killers who can get 6 hooks, uniquely, before 2 gens are even completed.
The devs want the killer to have the advantage, they will never create a system that deliberately takes away any of that, unless you abuse the system.
you still get gens blocked if you kill previously hooked survivor. This system does not care if you killed him at 2 hooks, or at 6+
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@dark_hunter92 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3994028#Comment_3994028
From my honest experience in the PTB, I found that:
- It's very hard to get the 25% speed bonus, as a survivor, unless the killer is deliberately tunneling
- Most killers, experienced killers, have already learned how to play carefully, resulting in them actually getting their buffs more often then survivors get theirs.
- This update actually seems more like a buff to killers, actual skilled killers, because they don't just rely on tunneling or slugging, unless it's absolutely necessary, which the system already accounts for.
- People being upset because they can't make their session 1v3 right away grossly selfish, and unreasonable. I don't think most killers realize how unfun it is when you're at 4-5 gens and it's already a 1v3. If they do, they're playing the game how it was unintended. It's not about winning the fastest, it's about having the most fun; so the killers that only tunnel, camp, and slug in order to win are now forced to learn to play, and are the loudest on the forums.
The Krause:
Mid-day, day 1 of the PTB, I would've thought the killer was A tier, as all new killers appear to be, at first. But, after learning to play against them, of course I was able to have more interactive, fun chases, etc.
The only thing I will say is that there should be a bigger cool-down, if any, to when they can switch to the floating-head form. There have been many situations when I'm looping the killer and right away, they switch forms and zoom up to me then back and being able to hit me, or hook someone and zoom right past me, immediately switching to the floating-head form.
I also feel like it takes an extremely long time to heal from the Leached effect.
Michael Myers:
This change has actually made them feel worse to go against. Their prolonged dash, I feel like they're even more stealthy and harder to detect.
Every killer I've gone against was able to knock me down instantly 100% of the time with their dash.
I hope those numbers are adjusted because I will straight refuse to play against the Shape if these changes go through. No matter how long my D/C timer goes up.
My biggest fear is that BHVR are going to make nerfs based on the loudest outcries; in this case, would be the killers who are now being forced to learn how to play properly and not rely on easy-to-win strategies.
Lets face it, these forums are extremely killer-sided and DBD has one of the most toxic communities.
There's already posts of people who haven't even played the PTB and are complaining about the changes.
"This update actually seems more like a buff to killers, actual skilled killers, because they don't just rely on tunneling or slugging, unless it's absolutely necessary, which the system already accounts for."
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@Dadeordye said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3988837#Comment_3988837
God damn it!
-Remove zombies (unlikely because Capcom forced them to be part of Nemesis's power to concede the licence).
-Give him a dash like Vecna's (to just traverse the map/not able to injure survs).
-Remove the ability to drag the tentacle sideways to compensate (this is tech/bug exploitation, so this will probably be removed regardless).
DONE.https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3988870#Comment_3988870
Dracula was unable to cast Hellfire through the shack's pallet since his release and today OUT OF NOWHERE they fixed it.
Fingers crossed they will fix them and give him an add-on pass like they did to Pyramid. Would be awesome if instead of the zombies you could have one Licker."-Remove the ability to drag the tentacle sideways to compensate (this is tech/bug exploitation, so this will probably be removed regardless)."
I believe i saw someone from BHVR saying at forum long time ago that hitbox drag is intended
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@TheGoone said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3982495#Comment_3982495
So changes and buffs to the current feature to be better that's good to hear
my guess is it will be something similar to last Lights Out modifier (60s BT and x2 anticamp radius)
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@kaneyboy said:
ngl streetwise even with the bug isn’t worth bringing. It wastes far too much time. I do get the frustration though.
so, wasting 20-30 seconds to permanently increase your gen speed by 50%+ is "not worth bringing"?
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@Pablo___Pablo said:
I made a comparasion, since I couldn't find any.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcYFFcYbB-U
While the window vault is pretty much the same, the pallet vault is the issue.
Hitbox moves with animation, and the animation for Last Stand on pallet is way way faster that the normal pallet fast vault.even with window vaults it ######### up hits (sorry for russian voice)
https://go.screenpal.com/watch/cTjVqknIkCoand it's even more ridiculous with pallets
https://go.screenpal.com/watch/cTjVYtnIkmW -
@AmpersandUnderscore said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3975448#Comment_3975448
I'm not sure where the "fictional" came from, since I didn't say that.
You're honestly going with "it takes me 30 seconds to kick a gen?" in this conversation?
Cause, again, when gens are still up you can leave the conviction survivor completely alone and they'll just go be a slug somewhere else, because that's how the perk works. No killer action needed there.
I thought you were complaining about end game, but since you can't make a coherent argument aside from angrily screeching that the perk seems to function in some very, niche and specific situations, I guess I'll have to just leave you alone with your entitled rage on this one.
^ sorry, forgot to quote you
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"Cause, again, when gens are still up you can leave the conviction survivor completely alone and they'll just go be a slug somewhere else, because that's how the perk works. No killer action needed there."
So, the survivor you just downed gets free reset, because you DARE to kick a gen before picking him up? -
@Aiden_Me said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3974507#Comment_3974507
You are probably new player
I'm still playing since early 2020. So, not 2016 veteran, but not new player too. Also, i know a lot about old DbD
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"It is POINTLESS to add something when you had it since very beginning of the game!"
So, we should also return hook grabs, true facecamping, old-old Mori, infinites etc. etc.?
"The actual unhooking chance was 4% which is nothing."
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@Gucci_218_TTV said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3958292#Comment_3958292
Lol this isn't correct. There is literally PRO teams who, played against PRO SKULL MERCHANTS that have stated that her 3 gen strat was ridiculous. Watch the video yourself it's like 50 minutes long.
Ghoul is definitely OP still even after the nerf and i bet more than 50% of the players would agree which makes it a problem whether you think they are crying or not lol.
The DC penalty wasnt bad previously so why buff it. Now if i get a matchmaking ban, the timer only decreases while my app is open... that's ridiculous. And i promise will cause many players to delete the game for ive had 5 already quit since most recent update. Its unnessasary and just downright obnoxious.
Love the game but every single player has quit at some point for many reasons. Bad teammates, teammates whom are teaming with killer (which mind you if you report teamers nothing ever happens @BHVR),
examples : possible cheating, even bugs make players quit. 90% of the time when i rage quit it tends to be someone cheating and most of the time they are but im still punished for leaving or i have a teammate whom just helps killer get you while they've been hiding entire game we ALL know it happens. Lag too.
Pc players who cheat actively continue cheating with very little repercussions for vpn basically saves them cuz BHVR's anti cheat is still horrid. Ive had cheaters pull my ip address and found my real name. Sad that playing the game puts me at risk and for BHVR to just shush players who speak out about anti cheat. Theres many many issues that will never be fixed.
"Lol this isn't correct. There is literally PRO teams who, played against PRO SKULL MERCHANTS that have stated that her 3 gen strat was ridiculous. Watch the video yourself it's like 50 minutes long."
How that version of SM correlates in any way with SM 2.0 that it warrants essentially killing her, ESPECIALLY after adding 8 gen kick limit? -
@crogers271 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3958006#Comment_3958006
It's funny because I was thinking about that while watching the match. From the killer's perspective, if you didn't recognize the names, how would you be able to tell this team was any different than any other group of survivors?
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3958035#Comment_3958035
Link here: should go to the match we're talking about
thanks. To be fair - there were a bunch of camping
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@francesinhalover said:
Meanwhile a legion ps5 player doing 12 hooks without tunneling or camping with only 1 gen regress perk beat team invictus winstreak of 202? was it? matches.
source please?
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@Linkdouken said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3943523#Comment_3943523
True but what I'm saying if if it's that much of an annoyance- play it to your advantage, use a build for it. Terminus or Forced Penance for example will prevent them from being healthy if played correctly
still won't stop heal tech
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@Linkdouken said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3943342#Comment_3943342
Endgame Collapse exists for these reasons. If survivors are intentionally waiting out the whole timer, use a killer that prevents them leaving when they are hit and run bloodwarden - they'll quickly be punished for not escaping when they had the chance
except most of those killers work only if survivor is injured already, and even then can be easily countered by heal tech
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@HolyKevin said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3923154#Comment_3923154
OK BUT, what is if y surv KILLS HIMSELF ON THE ######### HOOK.
I got Gold for that with a 4k This Emblem is bugged
I mean Look 4k and gold how!??!??!!?
mods explain
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/U85X6RVRFAMQ/bild-2025-05-07-185745296.png
yeah, if 2 survivors kill themselves on their first hook - you can't get iridescent Devout
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@Reinami said:
Literally the quietest survivor in the game. Even more quiet than Ace. Can we equalize the sounds of all survivors please? wasn't that supposed to be done like 3 years ago?
i believe they said at some point that it is "harder than they expected", so, they gave up on it
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@Moodyy said:
Probably not going to happen. BHVR only made killer animations for first person view they would have to do animations for every killer for 3rd person. (Survivors see a different animations from their view)
couldn't they make it so killer sees animation, that usually seen only by survivor side?
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@Apostrophe said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3920412#Comment_3920412
I see this method as the least weaponizable way possible. If you remember when Behaviour was first planning their anti-slug mechanic, they wanted to make it so that if a survivor was not hooked within 45 seconds of being downed, he would immediately go back from dying to injured. THAT was weaponizable. The dying survivor could just crawl under a pallet and wait out the 45 seconds while his teammates stand by to get the stun if the killer tries to pick him up. And let's not forget your fear of flashlights. Just wait out the 45 seconds because if the killer tries to pick you up within that time, your teammates will blind him.
My method avoids those issues. You don't get free health state back after 45 seconds, you only get a free health state back if every other survivor is down. And it's only the first person who was slugged, not all the teammates, so the killer isn't going to be swarmed by survivors with flashlights, it's going to be the one survivor who has been down the longest, who is likely very far away on the map at this point. There's also nothing stopping the killer from putting two or three survivors into the dying state and then start hooking them, he just can't put ALL the survivors into to the dying state at the same time. Surely you can avoid being blinded by a single person with a flashlight to start hooking survivors.
And I'll be honest, I'm least concerned with turbo slugging as much as the toxic gameplay tactic of slugging the last two survivors on the map to secure the 4K by preventing survivors from finding the hatch. The hatch exists for a reason, to give the last survivor at least a chance to make it out alive and it the way the game was designed. It annoys me to no end when the killer cheats and abuses the system by slugged me and making me lay there doing nothing because he needs to hunt the last survivor first to make sure they don't get hatch. By making sure that the last two survivors can't be slugged at the same time, it ensures a fair game for the survivors by allowing them at least a chance of finding the hatch.
Edit: Fixed Typo
it's going to be the one survivor who has been down the longest, who is likely very far away on the map at this pointDo i need to say again, that NO, he won't be very far away. Because, AGAIN, it is a 4man flashlight squad, that all runs TOGETHER
I know that 45s basekit UB was abusable too. That's why that idea got scrapped. But your idea is abusable too. And 4 man flashlight squads aren't the only way
What about 2 survivors left, both camping the pallet? Pick up ⇒ Pallet save and run to the next pallet. Can't down them both. Damn, you can't even realistically bleed them out, since they can just heal tech each other and that stops bleedout timer
Upd. DAMN, i just realized something now. They don't even need to camp the pallet. They can just heal tech each other anywhere on the map and there is NOTHING you can do to stop that (outside of a few killers with specific powers). That's even more abusable, than 45s UB. Well, i guess you can abandon after 10 minutes? -
@StudiousTome said:
No, run Unrelenting. It's better in general. You need full tokens to be an extra 2% faster even if you use only special attacks on the Obsession. StBfL used to be better but now it's weirdly not worth playing like Myers with every Killer.
Unrelenting works only on misses.You can't save StBfl stack by special attacks anymore
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@Apostrophe said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3920331#Comment_3920331
No, you're right, you shouldn't be forced to run a specific perk to counter toxic behavior, but you shouldn't be able to employ toxic behavior in return either. Two wrongs don't make a right. You know very well what you can do to counter a 4-man flashlight squad, but you'd rather complain about your right to make the game unfun for everyone else than simply do the logical thing to prevent them from making it unfun for you.
I run Lightborn every single match with every single killer. I think it's fun. I've encountered flashlight squads and I've mopped the floor with them and laugh my head off doing it as I imagine their jaws dropping when they realize I have Lightborn on and they have no other skills to help them get through the match. And I think to myself, "It serves them right" because they brought it on themselves by using toxic gameplay tactics.
But I also can't abide killers using toxic gameplay tactics either. At least killers have a perk to defend against flashlights, survivors have nothing to defend against slugging.
Edit: Fixed typo
i agree with the idea of making turbo slugging less abusable. But your solution creates an abuse for survivors, that actually forces killer to slug all survivors till bleed out. That's why it's hard to implement antislug/tunnel/camp mechanics. It needs to be done in such a way, that survivors can't weaponize it