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I gotta disagree, as long as people DC because they missed DS or got their totem cleansed they can gtfo and uninstall DbD tbh.@HavelmomDaS1 said:Give players more motivation to not DC is the better solution imo -
Okay okay privacy goes first, i think the same way.@DocOctober said:@Vietfox said:
Lol @DocOctober @HavelmomDaS1
You both from Germany?No, but that's as much as I'll disclose.
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Awesome then.@TragicSolitude said:@Vietfox said:
@TragicSolitude said:@The_Crusader said:
Same here. Do 4, can't see the last, assume that surely the other 3 survivors have managed to do 1 totem between them....but nope. I feel like I'm banging my head against a brick wall here. Let me explain... NOED is harsh on solo survivors but it means nothing to 3/4 man SWF. Want an indication of when a dull totem is cleansed? - killers won't have it. Want some form of Kindred as a baseline ability? - killers won't have it Yet they insist SWF is unfair and they want it removed, yet won't allow anything to make solo survivor more enjoyable. How about you agree to give little quality of life upgrades for solo survivors so that swf crews can hop on solo and feel they aren't at a disadvantage and might play more solo games?
Killer mains just want everything swung in their favour.
Some form of Kindred as a baseline ability would be so nice. It's stupid that I can see survivors' auras while I'm hooked, which does me little to no good, but they can't see each others' auras, something that would benefit me (and them) way more than me watching them do gens or crouch around. Showing survivors' auras to each other should be baseline and Kindred should be altered so that each tier just shows the killer's aura within a certain distance of the hook. Right now, Kindred tier 1 is completely useless, anyway, and it makes no sense that it even exists.
Sorry if that's off topic.
But yes, Small Game at least should tell the survivor running it how many hex/dull totems are left on the map. The perk is useful for finding totems and avoiding traps, but it's useless for countering NOED.
How about you just run Kindred instead? Guys stop asking to devs to hold your hand.
Builds work like that, they force you to choose, not to run everything you want.I do run Kindred.
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I see solos and swf the same way i see different killers, they are different difficulty levels. It's up to you which one to choose.@HavelmomDaS1 said:
I see where you are coming from, that's one of the reasons why I play solo most of the time.@Vietfox said:
Yeah but i love to play solo and the added challenge as well. I don't want them to make it easier, it's fine as it is.@HavelmomDaS1 said:
It's an idea to close the gap between solo and swf. And as far as I remember one of the devs said that the intention of this idea was exactly that. So as closer the gaps as easier the balancing will be@Vietfox said:
How about you just run Kindred instead? Guys stop asking to devs to hold your hand.@TragicSolitude said:@The_Crusader said:
@TragicSolitudeSame here. Do 4, can't see the last, assume that surely the other 3 survivors have managed to do 1 totem between them....but nope.
I feel like I'm banging my head against a brick wall here. Let me explain...
NOED is harsh on solo survivors but it means nothing to 3/4 man SWF.
Want an indication of when a dull totem is cleansed? - killers won't have it.
Want some form of Kindred as a baseline ability? - killers won't have it
Yet they insist SWF is unfair and they want it removed, yet won't allow anything to make solo survivor more enjoyable.
How about you agree to give little quality of life upgrades for solo survivors so that swf crews can hop on solo and feel they aren't at a disadvantage and might play more solo games?
Killer mains just want everything swung in their favour.
Some form of Kindred as a baseline ability would be so nice. It's stupid that I can see survivors' auras while I'm hooked, which does me little to no good, but they can't see each others' auras, something that would benefit me (and them) way more than me watching them do gens or crouch around. Showing survivors' auras to each other should be baseline and Kindred should be altered so that each tier just shows the killer's aura within a certain distance of the hook. Right now, Kindred tier 1 is completely useless, anyway, and it makes no sense that it even exists.
Sorry if that's off topic.
But yes, Small Game at least should tell the survivor running it how many hex/dull totems are left on the map. The perk is useful for finding totems and avoiding traps, but it's useless for countering NOED.
Builds work like that, they force you to choose, not to run everything you want.
Playing solo forces me to change my build (i love that) and i can be more focused on what's going on around me.
But somehow we have to sacrifice things for the overall better health of balancing. That's just my opinion, I only can see a successful balanced DbD AFTER closing the gap of solo and swf as much as possible (without just adding voice chat for solos) and currently the gap is just really huge.
Kindred would be one really big and important step and I think we should at least give it a shot in a PTB to see how good or bad it is. -
Yeah but i love to play solo and the added challenge as well. I don't want them to make it easier, it's fine as it is.@HavelmomDaS1 said:
It's an idea to close the gap between solo and swf. And as far as I remember one of the devs said that the intention of this idea was exactly that. So as closer the gaps as easier the balancing will be@Vietfox said:
How about you just run Kindred instead? Guys stop asking to devs to hold your hand.@TragicSolitude said:@The_Crusader said:
@TragicSolitudeSame here. Do 4, can't see the last, assume that surely the other 3 survivors have managed to do 1 totem between them....but nope.
I feel like I'm banging my head against a brick wall here. Let me explain...
NOED is harsh on solo survivors but it means nothing to 3/4 man SWF.
Want an indication of when a dull totem is cleansed? - killers won't have it.
Want some form of Kindred as a baseline ability? - killers won't have it
Yet they insist SWF is unfair and they want it removed, yet won't allow anything to make solo survivor more enjoyable.
How about you agree to give little quality of life upgrades for solo survivors so that swf crews can hop on solo and feel they aren't at a disadvantage and might play more solo games?
Killer mains just want everything swung in their favour.
Some form of Kindred as a baseline ability would be so nice. It's stupid that I can see survivors' auras while I'm hooked, which does me little to no good, but they can't see each others' auras, something that would benefit me (and them) way more than me watching them do gens or crouch around. Showing survivors' auras to each other should be baseline and Kindred should be altered so that each tier just shows the killer's aura within a certain distance of the hook. Right now, Kindred tier 1 is completely useless, anyway, and it makes no sense that it even exists.
Sorry if that's off topic.
But yes, Small Game at least should tell the survivor running it how many hex/dull totems are left on the map. The perk is useful for finding totems and avoiding traps, but it's useless for countering NOED.
Builds work like that, they force you to choose, not to run everything you want.
Playing solo forces me to change my build (i love that) and i can be more focused on what's going on around me. -
Resilience + Adrenaline are the way to go, especially with friends. The other 2 depend on your playstyle.@Poweas said:@Vietfox said:
Yes, it was a bad idea which mainly came from killer mains complaining about SC and totally backfired on them as we can see now. Funny thing is that i still see some people asking for SC to get nerfed, ignoring that even more survivors would realize about how useless is SC and changing their build to Resilience + Adrenaline.I've started to use Resilience, Adrenaline (yup you're right about the first 2), Balanced Landing and Iron will. It's so easy to survive and genrush the hell out of the killers. The self care nerf was stupid and backfired on the killers. I love it. Although as killer, I've had to resort to playing scummy to win. ITS BEAUTIFUL.
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How about you just run Kindred instead? Guys stop asking to devs to hold your hand.@TragicSolitude said:@The_Crusader said:
@TragicSolitudeSame here. Do 4, can't see the last, assume that surely the other 3 survivors have managed to do 1 totem between them....but nope.
I feel like I'm banging my head against a brick wall here. Let me explain...
NOED is harsh on solo survivors but it means nothing to 3/4 man SWF.
Want an indication of when a dull totem is cleansed? - killers won't have it.
Want some form of Kindred as a baseline ability? - killers won't have it
Yet they insist SWF is unfair and they want it removed, yet won't allow anything to make solo survivor more enjoyable.
How about you agree to give little quality of life upgrades for solo survivors so that swf crews can hop on solo and feel they aren't at a disadvantage and might play more solo games?
Killer mains just want everything swung in their favour.
Some form of Kindred as a baseline ability would be so nice. It's stupid that I can see survivors' auras while I'm hooked, which does me little to no good, but they can't see each others' auras, something that would benefit me (and them) way more than me watching them do gens or crouch around. Showing survivors' auras to each other should be baseline and Kindred should be altered so that each tier just shows the killer's aura within a certain distance of the hook. Right now, Kindred tier 1 is completely useless, anyway, and it makes no sense that it even exists.
Sorry if that's off topic.
But yes, Small Game at least should tell the survivor running it how many hex/dull totems are left on the map. The perk is useful for finding totems and avoiding traps, but it's useless for countering NOED.
Builds work like that, they force you to choose, not to run everything you want.
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I'm fine with sabo, prevents genrush.
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If randoms dont do gens then do what i do, run small game and cleanse totems while they do gens. Problem solved.The_Crusader said:
Yes. My fault for rank reset. Guess I deserve this for not playing much?Vietfox said:
^ Problem spottedThe_Crusader said:
I'm stuck in green ranksEveline said:Crusader are you on pc or console and which rank?
Guess I deserve to have teammates who dont cleanse totems?
Again, all this rhetoric does is encourage swf play, and then you know how much salt that causes on here. -
There's a difference between being a survivor main just because i play a bit more as a survivor and being survivor sided.The_Crusader said:
I've accused you of being that before and you denied it?Vietfox said:
Also Vietfox, a survivor main.The_Crusader said:Killers - just cleanse totems
Also killers - No solo players can't have an indication of how many have been done by other players
Also also killers - Devs hide totems better please.
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^ Problem spottedThe_Crusader said:
I'm stuck in green ranksEveline said:Crusader are you on pc or console and which rank? -
Also Vietfox, a survivor main.The_Crusader said:Killers - just cleanse totems
Also killers - No solo players can't have an indication of how many have been done by other players
Also also killers - Devs hide totems better please.
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Dude, if the killer is good enough then yeah, i will totally accept defeat and send him/her a "gg". What's the problem?The_Crusader said:
So just die then lolVietfox said:
That's why i said in a previous comment:@HavelmomDaS1 said:
I think you never played in a way to escape WITH your random team mates against a really strong killer. There is no time for 4 solo survivors that everyone searches individually for 5 totems. If everyone makes sure 5 totems are cleansed NOED doesn't matter anyway because till this point the killer had so much time to kill everyone.@Vietfox said:
You are basically asking to be feed with a baby spoon. Totem remainings can still be seen.The_Crusader said:
So good killers pressure survivors to focus on gens, then they mop up any they missed with NOED. Sounds like a fun game right there.Vietfox said:
How many training wheels do you need to accept the game as it is right now?The_Crusader said:@Vietfox said:
Bad game design for bad survivors.yawn
How much does Behaviour pay you to defend all of their decisions?
Bad game design is not giving surviors any clue as to how is cleansing totems are how many are cleansed. Lets just have all 4 survivors running around looking for 5 totems, I'm sure we'll manage to get the gens done too.
Noed can be negated before it triggers, if survivors refuse to counter it then it's on them.
Yeah, sometimes the killer is good at keeping the map pressure and you are forced to do gens instead of totems, so what?
Pretty much the entire community has been salty about DS and NOED for years now. The entire game can come down to a battle between those 2 perks sometimes it's ridiculous.
Ok I'll do totems and swf then. Oh wait no we cant get a game then because killers lobby dodge knowing their precious totems will be gone!
Is it too much to [BAD WORD] ask for an indication of how many totems are actually cleansed? So that when im running around looking for them I know if im wasting my time or not?
Just because part of the community complain about something doesnt mean they are right. Actually most of them are people who refuse to adapt and instead want the game to be changed according to their will.
Yeah, sometimes the killer is good at keeping the map pressure and you are forced to do gens instead of totems, so what?
Great game balance idea. You should apply for a job on the team. -
That's why i said in a previous comment:@HavelmomDaS1 said:
I think you never played in a way to escape WITH your random team mates against a really strong killer. There is no time for 4 solo survivors that everyone searches individually for 5 totems. If everyone makes sure 5 totems are cleansed NOED doesn't matter anyway because till this point the killer had so much time to kill everyone.@Vietfox said:
You are basically asking to be feed with a baby spoon. Totem remainings can still be seen.The_Crusader said:
So good killers pressure survivors to focus on gens, then they mop up any they missed with NOED. Sounds like a fun game right there.Vietfox said:
How many training wheels do you need to accept the game as it is right now?The_Crusader said:@Vietfox said:
Bad game design for bad survivors.yawn
How much does Behaviour pay you to defend all of their decisions?
Bad game design is not giving surviors any clue as to how is cleansing totems are how many are cleansed. Lets just have all 4 survivors running around looking for 5 totems, I'm sure we'll manage to get the gens done too.
Noed can be negated before it triggers, if survivors refuse to counter it then it's on them.
Yeah, sometimes the killer is good at keeping the map pressure and you are forced to do gens instead of totems, so what?
Pretty much the entire community has been salty about DS and NOED for years now. The entire game can come down to a battle between those 2 perks sometimes it's ridiculous.
Ok I'll do totems and swf then. Oh wait no we cant get a game then because killers lobby dodge knowing their precious totems will be gone!
Is it too much to [BAD WORD] ask for an indication of how many totems are actually cleansed? So that when im running around looking for them I know if im wasting my time or not?
Just because part of the community complain about something doesnt mean they are right. Actually most of them are people who refuse to adapt and instead want the game to be changed according to their will.
Yeah, sometimes the killer is good at keeping the map pressure and you are forced to do gens instead of totems, so what?
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My solo survivor build is: kindred, bond, open handed and small game. Why? Because i know randoms don't do totems, because i know most killers run hex totems and/or noed, because i know that if i do what most players don't do we'll succeed (or maybe just them, bu that works for me)@HavelmomDaS1 said:
You have to admit that noed is usually only stomping solo survivors cuz of lack of informations, while good/smart swf groups will never have an issue of noed@Vietfox said:Bad game design for bad survivors.
I adapt my playstyle and build according to how most players (both killers and survivors) work, and works pretty damn well.
If i can do it anyone else can do it as well, just requires some brain. -
I know what is their purpose, that's why i don't like moris.@DocOctober said:@Vietfox said:
@DocOctober said:@Vietfox said:
Idk if it's related but i'm getting ebony moris in every single bloodweb. Tried to dodge them but sometimes i just can't.
That is not related. There's only 1 Ultra Rare Offering left for Killers and some still don't have any Ultra Rare Add-on so it will usually spawn the Ebony Mori.
The Survivor Blodweb on the other hand still has the option to spawn a Rainbow Map, a Skeleton Key, an Odd Bulb, an Anti-hemorrhagic Syringe or a Brand New Part.
Well it shouldn't be related because op was talking about keys from chests and moris are taken from the bloodweb, i just noticed a kinda huge increase of ebony moris even with killers with 2 pink addons.
Personally i think ebony moris are a waste of bloodpoints, they are expensive and you get way less bloodpoints when you kill survivors by moring them.Bloodpoints are not the intended motivation to use them in the first place.
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I'm a survivor main and i don't think NOED is broken at all.@JanTheMan said:A survivor-sided opinion?! blasphemy! -
You are basically asking to be feed with a baby spoon. Totem remainings can still be seen.The_Crusader said:
So good killers pressure survivors to focus on gens, then they mop up any they missed with NOED. Sounds like a fun game right there.Vietfox said:
How many training wheels do you need to accept the game as it is right now?The_Crusader said:@Vietfox said:
Bad game design for bad survivors.yawn
How much does Behaviour pay you to defend all of their decisions?
Bad game design is not giving surviors any clue as to how is cleansing totems are how many are cleansed. Lets just have all 4 survivors running around looking for 5 totems, I'm sure we'll manage to get the gens done too.
Noed can be negated before it triggers, if survivors refuse to counter it then it's on them.
Yeah, sometimes the killer is good at keeping the map pressure and you are forced to do gens instead of totems, so what?
Pretty much the entire community has been salty about DS and NOED for years now. The entire game can come down to a battle between those 2 perks sometimes it's ridiculous.
Ok I'll do totems and swf then. Oh wait no we cant get a game then because killers lobby dodge knowing their precious totems will be gone!
Is it too much to [BAD WORD] ask for an indication of how many totems are actually cleansed? So that when im running around looking for them I know if im wasting my time or not?
Just because part of the community complain about something doesnt mean they are right. Actually most of them are people who refuse to adapt and instead want the game to be changed according to their will. -
You must be new to games based on builds.The_Crusader said:@Eveline said:
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Is this where I get told to bring small game? allow me to slot it in with the other 15 perks killers tell me to bring.
Build around your needs/strenghts/weaknesses and use the skills to deal with the rest. Don't expect to counter everything with perks. -
How many training wheels do you need to accept the game as it is right now?The_Crusader said:@Vietfox said:
Bad game design for bad survivors.yawn
How much does Behaviour pay you to defend all of their decisions?
Bad game design is not giving surviors any clue as to how is cleansing totems are how many are cleansed. Lets just have all 4 survivors running around looking for 5 totems, I'm sure we'll manage to get the gens done too.
Noed can be negated before it triggers, if survivors refuse to counter it then it's on them.
Yeah, sometimes the killer is good at keeping the map pressure and you are forced to do gens instead of totems, so what? -
Bad game design for bad survivors.
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It's obvious that i used google translate, please mods don't ban me.@Aven_Fallen said:@Vietfox said:
How is it in german, Chester der Beleidiger?Chester der Belästiger
"beleidigen" would be "insult".
@Topic:
Just a name I created for myself around 15 years ago. Using it since then, I wanted some name for a Browsergame and it should be a name that is easily spoken (not like my first name there) and can sound like a "real" name. So yeah.
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Most probably. High german is older than english, he didn't like that.@ChesterTheMolester said:
Did Shakespeare start talking ######### about the german language after he failed twice and got salty?@Vietfox said:
[BAD WORD] Shakespeare as well and props to Nietzsche?@ChesterTheMolester said: -
How is it in german, Chester der Belästiger?
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A drunk German? What? No way.@ChesterTheMolester said:Well we got drunk while hanging out with my brother and few friends, i can remember that name dropping, a Cosby joke i think though i can't remember it. So i just chose it when struggling to find a new name. -
It's gonna be a chapter and it's gonna be a new one.
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That is actually awesome lol, no kidding.@se05239 said:Too lazy to make something unique so I used the username I was given waaay back in school.
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Ok ok i'll tell you. I lived in Vietnam for a short period of time and loved it.
Fox because of Gray Fox, from Metal Gear Solid. I liked that character, especially when he talks ######### about politicians
I came up with this name like 15 years ago or so. -
Enter Sandman
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CD-E-LDc384
And Mr Sandman
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EfQPr6GChC8
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The correct way to play any killer is to learn by yourself, seriously. Sure you can get some tips from people but sometimes that leads you to play in only a especific way and maybe missing other ways to play that killer.
Try different builds, don't give a ######### about losing and keep updating your build around your needs, strenghts and/or weaknesses. Eventually you'll have the perfect build for your playstyle. -
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Well it shouldn't be related because op was talking about keys from chests and moris are taken from the bloodweb, i just noticed a kinda huge increase of ebony moris even with killers with 2 pink addons.@DocOctober said:@Vietfox said:
Idk if it's related but i'm getting ebony moris in every single bloodweb. Tried to dodge them but sometimes i just can't.That is not related. There's only 1 Ultra Rare Offering left for Killers and some still don't have any Ultra Rare Add-on so it will usually spawn the Ebony Mori.
The Survivor Blodweb on the other hand still has the option to spawn a Rainbow Map, a Skeleton Key, an Odd Bulb, an Anti-hemorrhagic Syringe or a Brand New Part.
Personally i think ebony moris are a waste of bloodpoints, they are expensive and you get way less bloodpoints when you kill survivors by moring them.
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It means something already, you are giving the chance to the killer to get instadowned again. I would say it's a good trade-off.@Master said:@DocOctober said:
@Vietfox said: @DocOctober said: @Vietfox said: @Master said:
@HavelmomDaS1 said: I by myself and many I know of are playing the "No heal meta" which means basically not equipping selfcare, always using adrenalin and rush the gens injured.
The plan of nerfing selfcare was to slow down the game. This works for the casual and the only "just" survivors, because they will still selfcare even against Legion lol.
However, for the more advanced survivors selfcare became a "wasted" perkslot and this leads to survivors to rush the gens even faster, especially coordinated SWF groups who got 4x adrenalin. I was always running adrenalin and only pushed the last gen injured, but lately I push all gens injured as survivor. What's your opinion? Did the selfcare nerf helped you to slow the game down or are games even faster done cuz everyone is pushing gens injured? As killer I feel SWF games are ending even quicker than before if they have all adrenalin and noone selfcare. SC hasnt been nerfed, just like DS rework didnt happen and the hatch sloing mechanic has been dismissed
If you guys say that Doc got nerfed because of the changes on Nurse's calling then you must admit that SC got nerfed too since it's related to a healing action. Who says that? I certainly don't. Only stuff that changed in itself is either buffed or nerfed. SC wasn't nerfed as its values weren't changed. The Doctor wasn't nerfed just because a Perk he has the option of using no longer reveals Snapping Out Of It Survivors. His power wasn't changed. If anything in that equation, then Nurse's Calling was nerfed. I agree, but we got several threads of people claiming that Doc got nerfed because of NC. Maybe you didn't, but some others did say that.
About SC its values weren't changed but the healing changes affected that perk indirectly, which is why some people stopped running it.
Because it takes 8 seconds longer to heal? My what an atrocity, must mean the Perk is utter garbage.
And really, it's still omni-present in my games, there are at least 2-3 SCs still.
Well guess why, the ability to heal yourself is just mindblowing, no need to search for a teammate that can heal you (which is even difficult via voicecomms if you are playing with inexperienced survivors)
Still a worse tactic than not healing and keep doing gens. (of course you still need to be a decent survivor to afford being injured)
I'm so thankful for the healing nerf, seriously, made me see things from a different point of view and become more efficient.Which shows you how broken the gen situation is right now.
I agree with the healing nerf aswell, being injured needs to mean sth.
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Still a worse tactic than not healing and keep doing gens. (of course you still need to be a decent survivor to afford being injured)@Master said:@DocOctober said:
@Vietfox said:
@DocOctober said:@Vietfox said:
@Master said:
@HavelmomDaS1 said: I by myself and many I know of are playing the "No heal meta" which means basically not equipping selfcare, always using adrenalin and rush the gens injured.
The plan of nerfing selfcare was to slow down the game. This works for the casual and the only "just" survivors, because they will still selfcare even against Legion lol.
However, for the more advanced survivors selfcare became a "wasted" perkslot and this leads to survivors to rush the gens even faster, especially coordinated SWF groups who got 4x adrenalin. I was always running adrenalin and only pushed the last gen injured, but lately I push all gens injured as survivor. What's your opinion? Did the selfcare nerf helped you to slow the game down or are games even faster done cuz everyone is pushing gens injured? As killer I feel SWF games are ending even quicker than before if they have all adrenalin and noone selfcare. SC hasnt been nerfed, just like DS rework didnt happen and the hatch sloing mechanic has been dismissed
If you guys say that Doc got nerfed because of the changes on Nurse's calling then you must admit that SC got nerfed too since it's related to a healing action.
Who says that? I certainly don't. Only stuff that changed in itself is either buffed or nerfed. SC wasn't nerfed as its values weren't changed. The Doctor wasn't nerfed just because a Perk he has the option of using no longer reveals Snapping Out Of It Survivors. His power wasn't changed.
If anything in that equation, then Nurse's Calling was nerfed.
I agree, but we got several threads of people claiming that Doc got nerfed because of NC. Maybe you didn't, but some others did say that.
About SC its values weren't changed but the healing changes affected that perk indirectly, which is why some people stopped running it.Because it takes 8 seconds longer to heal? My what an atrocity, must mean the Perk is utter garbage.
And really, it's still omni-present in my games, there are at least 2-3 SCs still.
Well guess why, the ability to heal yourself is just mindblowing, no need to search for a teammate that can heal you (which is even difficult via voicecomms if you are playing with inexperienced survivors)
I'm so thankful for the healing nerf, seriously, made me see things from a different point of view and become more efficient. -
Yeah i don't remember, but enough to do half gen or so i think.@HavelmomDaS1 said:
Exactly! Also, it's 8 second longer without sloppy right? How long is it with sloppy/beeing mangled? Way to long imo@Vietfox said:
Every second counts, that's why i run Resilience too.@DocOctober said:@Vietfox said:
@DocOctober said:@Vietfox said:
@Master said:
@HavelmomDaS1 said: I by myself and many I know of are playing the "No heal meta" which means basically not equipping selfcare, always using adrenalin and rush the gens injured.
The plan of nerfing selfcare was to slow down the game. This works for the casual and the only "just" survivors, because they will still selfcare even against Legion lol.
However, for the more advanced survivors selfcare became a "wasted" perkslot and this leads to survivors to rush the gens even faster, especially coordinated SWF groups who got 4x adrenalin. I was always running adrenalin and only pushed the last gen injured, but lately I push all gens injured as survivor. What's your opinion? Did the selfcare nerf helped you to slow the game down or are games even faster done cuz everyone is pushing gens injured? As killer I feel SWF games are ending even quicker than before if they have all adrenalin and noone selfcare. SC hasnt been nerfed, just like DS rework didnt happen and the hatch sloing mechanic has been dismissed
If you guys say that Doc got nerfed because of the changes on Nurse's calling then you must admit that SC got nerfed too since it's related to a healing action.
Who says that? I certainly don't. Only stuff that changed in itself is either buffed or nerfed. SC wasn't nerfed as its values weren't changed. The Doctor wasn't nerfed just because a Perk he has the option of using no longer reveals Snapping Out Of It Survivors. His power wasn't changed.
If anything in that equation, then Nurse's Calling was nerfed.
I agree, but we got several threads of people claiming that Doc got nerfed because of NC. Maybe you didn't, but some others did say that.
About SC its values weren't changed but the healing changes affected that perk indirectly, which is why some people stopped running it.Because it takes 8 seconds longer to heal? My what an atrocity, must mean the Perk is utter garbage.
And really, it's still omni-present in my games, there are at least 2-3 SCs still.
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Every second counts, that's why i run Resilience too.@DocOctober said:@Vietfox said:
@DocOctober said:@Vietfox said:
@Master said:
@HavelmomDaS1 said: I by myself and many I know of are playing the "No heal meta" which means basically not equipping selfcare, always using adrenalin and rush the gens injured.
The plan of nerfing selfcare was to slow down the game. This works for the casual and the only "just" survivors, because they will still selfcare even against Legion lol.
However, for the more advanced survivors selfcare became a "wasted" perkslot and this leads to survivors to rush the gens even faster, especially coordinated SWF groups who got 4x adrenalin. I was always running adrenalin and only pushed the last gen injured, but lately I push all gens injured as survivor. What's your opinion? Did the selfcare nerf helped you to slow the game down or are games even faster done cuz everyone is pushing gens injured? As killer I feel SWF games are ending even quicker than before if they have all adrenalin and noone selfcare. SC hasnt been nerfed, just like DS rework didnt happen and the hatch sloing mechanic has been dismissed
If you guys say that Doc got nerfed because of the changes on Nurse's calling then you must admit that SC got nerfed too since it's related to a healing action.
Who says that? I certainly don't. Only stuff that changed in itself is either buffed or nerfed. SC wasn't nerfed as its values weren't changed. The Doctor wasn't nerfed just because a Perk he has the option of using no longer reveals Snapping Out Of It Survivors. His power wasn't changed.
If anything in that equation, then Nurse's Calling was nerfed.
I agree, but we got several threads of people claiming that Doc got nerfed because of NC. Maybe you didn't, but some others did say that.
About SC its values weren't changed but the healing changes affected that perk indirectly, which is why some people stopped running it.Because it takes 8 seconds longer to heal? My what an atrocity, must mean the Perk is utter garbage.
And really, it's still omni-present in my games, there are at least 2-3 SCs still.
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I agree, but we got several threads of people claiming that Doc got nerfed because of NC. Maybe you didn't, but some others did say that.@DocOctober said:@HavelmomDaS1 said:
I by myself and many I know of are playing the "No heal meta" which means basically not equipping selfcare, always using adrenalin and rush the gens injured.
The plan of nerfing selfcare was to slow down the game. This works for the casual and the only "just" survivors, because they will still selfcare even against Legion lol.
However, for the more advanced survivors selfcare became a "wasted" perkslot and this leads to survivors to rush the gens even faster, especially coordinated SWF groups who got 4x adrenalin.
I was always running adrenalin and only pushed the last gen injured, but lately I push all gens injured as survivor.
What's your opinion? Did the selfcare nerf helped you to slow the game down or are games even faster done cuz everyone is pushing gens injured? As killer I feel SWF games are ending even quicker than before if they have all adrenalin and noone selfcare.
SC hasnt been nerfed, just like DS rework didnt happen and the hatch sloing mechanic has been dismissed
If you guys say that Doc got nerfed because of the changes on Nurse's calling then you must admit that SC got nerfed too since it's related to a healing action.
Who says that? I certainly don't. Only stuff that changed in itself is either buffed or nerfed. SC wasn't nerfed as its values weren't changed. The Doctor wasn't nerfed just because a Perk he has the option of using no longer reveals Snapping Out Of It Survivors. His power wasn't changed.
If anything in that equation, then Nurse's Calling was nerfed.
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If you guys say that Doc got nerfed because of the changes on Nurse's calling then you must admit that SC got nerfed too since it's related to a healing action.@Master said:@HavelmomDaS1 said:
I by myself and many I know of are playing the "No heal meta" which means basically not equipping selfcare, always using adrenalin and rush the gens injured.The plan of nerfing selfcare was to slow down the game. This works for the casual and the only "just" survivors, because they will still selfcare even against Legion lol.
However, for the more advanced survivors selfcare became a "wasted" perkslot and this leads to survivors to rush the gens even faster, especially coordinated SWF groups who got 4x adrenalin.
I was always running adrenalin and only pushed the last gen injured, but lately I push all gens injured as survivor.What's your opinion? Did the selfcare nerf helped you to slow the game down or are games even faster done cuz everyone is pushing gens injured? As killer I feel SWF games are ending even quicker than before if they have all adrenalin and noone selfcare.
SC hasnt been nerfed, just like DS rework didnt happen and the hatch sloing mechanic has been dismissed
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I didn't mean reports, i meant that mods don't comment often precisely because they are mods.@Tsulan said: -
I've seen people using insidious to camp gens and then get free grabs. Funny, but as you said, not viable at all.@ChesterTheMolester said:Jumpscare Bubba:
Tinkerer
Monitor and Abuse
Insidious
Surveillance.
Kick a gen, go insidious and run back in once its white. Keep track on progressions to make the best use of Tinkerer and M&A.
I played as and against that meme build, its funny though not viable, can still lead to a few nice rounds if you don't take the game seriously. -
If survivors want to waste their time looking for chests then i'll gladly take it, honestly.
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Because more people started to notice that less survivors run SC due to being a waste of time and instead they do gens and heal themselves with adrenaline, making the gemrush even faster than before.@RSB said: -
We are talking about the last healing nerf, which happened some time ago already.@RSB said:What happend? I do not see anything in the recent patchnotes...
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They already did, this is why we got this thread now.@Acromio said:@Vietfox said:
Every [BAD WORD] time survivors find a way to work around new changes people come over and complain about how they managed to adapt to those changes.No, it's actually the other way around.
@arecbalrin said:When is it survivors turn to 'just adapt'?
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Yes, same if you have a bad game as a survivor. Accept defeat in both cases and move on.The_Crusader said:
So if you have a bad game, especially on a pallet heavy map, it's ok to take a middle finger at the end game?Vietfox said:
If multiple survivors, especially all 4, are still alive by the time gates are powered that means killer messed up, so i don't see a problem there.@The_Crusader said:
Well as has been discussed, 4 man SWF in which if multiple are alive at the end then they get a super sprint burst which is almost twice as long as regular, an instaheal, and it can even be used righr after a regular exhaustion perk if the timing is right.@Vietfox said:
What's wrong with Adrenaline now? It's an end game perk, meaning that survivors gotta play with 3 perks most of the match. If they are alive by the time all gens are done i say the earned it.@The_Crusader said:SWF rushing gens with Adrenaline is just an SWF issue and the unholy trio of perks issue (DS/NOED/Adrenaline).
Every [BAD WORD] time survivors find a way to work around new changes people come over and complain about how they managed to adapt to those changes.
The killer at that point has 20 seconds before the gates are opened in which to catch up to, outplay and then down the survivor. Really shafts lower tier killers if they don't have NOED.
That's why everyone says if NOED went Adrenaline would need to go too.
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Agreed with the bans, but killers DCing is something that i see already every single day i play DbD just because match went wrong for them, 1 or 2 minimum per night.@Bongbingbing said:Honestly these kinds of players need bans, If only to teach them a lesson.
If it's okay to DC against a killer you don't enjoy then what if Killers starts DCing once they see DS?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ta0Sj05tjc