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@mosheon970 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1426030#Comment_1426030
we all want him to be reversed back, we want nurse base kit also back and we want spirit with better sound phase.
So you want broken crap in the game, gotcha. Wanna give survivors their insta-heals back too while we're at it? And the infinites?
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@Dwinchester said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1426047#Comment_1426047
I'm trash with Billy, I'm lucky to get three saws in a single match for a daily, which is the only time I play him.
As for beating 99.9% of survivors, I am stuck on the region where the .1% live. I haven't seen a player under 1400 hours in a while now.
Cool, nothing will change for you tho. If you're not able to curve then it basically stayed the same as before with slightly less mobility.
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@Dwinchester said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/170115/what-im-expecting-after-the-ptb-ends
Nothing will change, the devs will come on here with their usual troll posts, daring you to change games if you're unhappy. You will never see a Billy in the live game again. Devs will continue to stick their heads in the sand, release more mediocre killers, and nerf the strong ones until people finally have enough of their crap and quit playing.
Oh no, my best killer is not best anymore and will now only beat 99.8% of the survivor base not 99.9. bohoo, I'll quit.
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@Sylorknag said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/170070/the-billy-circlejerk
Even Clown can overperform against potatoes.
He has never overperformed against good survivors.
What are potatoes in your eyes, if somebody can go 40 games in a row without ever losing a single match then there's something wrong unless your standards are ridiculous for what accounts to a potato and what not. This game is not meant to be played for 1000s of hours or as cote would put it, try playing something else, I heard Civ5 is a good game.
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@InTheBushes321 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/170070/the-billy-circlejerk
I can't tell if you just don't know what you're talking about or are trolling.
First of all, most survivors are trash at this game. If you cannot progress to red ranks, you are bad at this game, and considering the overall percentage of people who have achieved this, and the recent rank changes, combined with survivor entitlement, most survivors just suck. Billy crushes noob teams because most teams are noob teams.
He used to not be completely terrible before this rework, because base kit Billy kind of gets destroyed by actually semi-competent survivors, but considering how his base kit got a big nerf, and a lot of his new addons are trash (instead of the devs using their brains and just nerfing ######### like crack Billy or tuning guide/lube).
People like you just strike me as edgelords who want to be controversial for brownie points. The devs have once again demonstrated they're mostly incompetent, to the surprise of absolutely nobody.
Literally everyone acknowledges Legion is an awful killer, so you're either ignorant or lying. Streamers, like Otz, Scott, True, etc., people who understands this game, are saying that Billy was overnerfed because they're true. More strong killers improve the overall health and diversity of the game.
But as long as we have people like you who just want to be edgy and don't understand gameplay balance, combined with a dev team where no one is even past like rank 10, you get this awfully balanced game.
LuL calling me an edgelord right before calling the devs incompetent while citing people without any credentials in either gamedesign or even some semblance of education. What a joke you guys are. I love how you cited true, the guy is slow to say the least, it's not even an insult it's just as he loves to say "a fact" those are people you want to design games?
With people like you I think Kanye West could become president in 2024
Nobody gives a ######### about the top 1% in this game, period. The devs need to balance the game for the people you call "noobs", they rake in the money and keep this game going, not your idols.
Even league of legends doesn't exclusively balance around the top 1% and that is an actual esports game with prizes.
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@Mookywolf said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1425982#Comment_1425982
why would a non billy main give a #########? because they play billy sometimes. because they go against billy. because they know reworks and balance changes wont stop with billy and may come to their main some day, and if people dont tell the devs why they think the billy nerf is bad, then their main may become worse and/or less fun to play. just a few thoughts... by the way are you a billy main?
Nah, I main PH right now since he's fun and I loved spirit and old freddy, heck on old freddy I only went merciless with no perks and addons till R3 when everybody said he was F tier. Currently I only play DBD casually tho.
If your killer gets nerfed he gets nerfed, it is what it is. I loved the pre-rework legion yet he got completely gutted into an M1 killer, there's not much difference to before in power, I'd argue he's even stronger esp with all the missing godloops now where old legion would not even be an issue but it is what it is.
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@SupaSlay3r20 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1425576#Comment_1425576
Ah yes I see.
If your a billy main who disagrees with the nerfs, then you're just whinning about you're main getting nerfed.
If you don't main billy, then your're just hopping on the bandwagon.
Tell me why would a non-billy main give a ######### about a billy nerf, is it fun to watch your team go down in seconds and then have no chance since this is a 4v1 game?
Same with people who called Nurse "fun" just because she took a load of skill while falling to her without a chance unless SWF'd up. If nobody told you back then that nurse was "fun" and required a ton of skill then you'd certainly not have fun playing against a character that warps through every defense that you have, same with billy but ofc in a much more believable context.
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@Endstille said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1425940#Comment_1425940
Are you confused or something?
You call the reactions of people a circlejerk who react to changes by the devs and express why these changes are bad. Than you at first say well the devs already refuted that which is utterly wrong. Than you do not even know what has been said but yet call it a circlejerk and when you actually being called out for it, you babble something about idols.
As it looks to me.
You have no clue what was said, you didnt bother to even get the info on what was said and yet call it a circlejerk. I gotta better things to do karen, bye.
Your insults fall on deaf ears boy, you can yap and whine all you want, talk about "substantiated evidence" and reasoning, in the end the devs have the stats and decide to act accordingly. If Scottjund is able to 4k 32 times in a row with speedlimiter bubba I don't wanna know what a good curvebilly can do. It's the same situation as with nurse, both had it coming for ages and finally the devs are bringing the skillceiling of this game to a sane level.
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@Endstille said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1425911#Comment_1425911
End of story, you call something a circle jerk while being unable to refute any points. Got ya!
What is there to refute, you have no actual points. I can't take people seriously who have idols in the first place.
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@Endstille said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1425845#Comment_1425845
That is what you do not understand, people will not play an unfun killer. What you describe is a problem with matchmaking and boosted potatoes being in ranks they do not belong in. You know people who are not good yet. That is not a reason to change a killer because inexperienced players do have trouble dealing with him.
Also you are not a winner because you know what will happen? People will play other killers who make solo q even more of a nightmare like the nightmare or the spirit. I hope you enjoy that because both of them make for a totally unfun game. This is what happens and what will happen. Nurse was made unfun, bugged and thus her pickrate even went below the pickrate of the clown. Billy will also not be played.
Enjoy to rely on randoms vs spirit, freddy and pyramid head who encourages scummy gameplay like no other killer. Hope you are happy.
Even the biggest potato can run freddy for 30 seconds (unless STBFL) if he just tries to get distance. I'll prefer that over billy any day, thank you. Freddy mainly shuts down great loopers.
Spirit already gets picked alot and those games are never as snowbally altho you cannot simply hold W against her.
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@Endstille said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1425857#Comment_1425857
Still waiting for you to actually refute his points because it is not about otz but what he said. So go ahead and enlighten us. Why he is wrong and it is all just a circle jerk as you claim.
Again, I don't need to refute them, the devs did it for me by nerfing billy, he was overperforming, end of story.
basically all big streamers touting how sad it is that billy is finally getting his comeuppance is called a circlejerk, especially considering many are not even playing him.
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@Endstille said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1425771#Comment_1425771
So how about instead of using ad hominem you argue his points as to why he feels the way he does? If he has no clue, enlighten us why it is not bad and billy suddenly is S Tier.
Ad hominem, no I'm just not a blueyed worshipper of personalities, how many times do you people need to get burned to see that people who seem the most genuine and loving can be the biggest asssholes ever, not saying otz is but just saying "oh he's so nice he must be right" is beyond dumb.
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@DwightOP said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1425797#Comment_1425797
Now you bring a completely different topic to debate and dodged my question. This is messed up now. You just try find anything to stand as the winner of the discussion. I'm not going to deal with that unless you stick to our topic.
I am the winner because the nerf will go through and the only ones affected by this are going to be what, the 15 people that actually are able to play billy to perfection? Who cares about them seriously.
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@Endstille said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1425771#Comment_1425771
So how about instead of using ad hominem you argue his points as to why he feels the way he does? If he has no clue, enlighten us why it is not bad and billy suddenly is S Tier.
Billy doesn't need to be S tier, that's the whole damn point. The nerf will bring him down to still be solid, he'll just get reckt by perfect survivors 99% of the time now which is a whole different can of worms (maps, killer acceleration during loops, soundissues etc).
SoloQing against Billy was an absolute nightmare, even if you don't go down to his chainsaw, he'll just go around and find a teammate of you who will and then it's just an insane unrescueable snowball fest.
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@Endstille said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1425576#Comment_1425576
Billy mains speak openly against it. They have a clue, they know what they talk about. Otz explained why he is against it. You could take on his argumentation but I doubt you will.
Billy is still without even trying him better than: Clown, Myers, Wraith and he's probably on par with the new bubba. He's still gonna be a solid B tier due to having unlimited instadowns to punish survivor mistakes with.
Billy mains, totally not a biased opinion of ppl who will 4k for days without getting a single loss. Pure balance.
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@DwightOP said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1425764#Comment_1425764
You act as if every killer is a professional killer. If there are noobs on the survivor side so are noobs in the killer side. What's you point, I missed it.
The point is that you CANNOT bring other killers up to Billy's level.
How would you bring up for example myers to his level?
Stalk would need to not be limited per survivor which would break addon balance.
Even weak billys can hold m2 against 90% of the potatoes that seemingly don't know what windows are, even freddy doesn't snowball this hard.
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@AshleyWB said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1425576#Comment_1425576
Actually I watched otz the second the PTB started and he was fair throughout his claims.
I've watched Otz for years and once people get to know him... he's a very sincere and honest person who portrays his views with hard evidence and conviction.
I like otz but man you sound so naive. Reminds me of my ex-GFs who thought I'd get a real sustaining job after meeting her since I'm such a genuine and nice guy.
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@DwightOP said:
Overperforming? Overperforming is a killer who takes not much skill and can 4k every single lobby of legacy survivors while you just put your first 100 hrs into the game.
Reality: put 4 legacy survivors against a legacy Billy and it's going to be 1 kill and 3 escapes. This is reality. Billy "overperforms" against noobs who only M1 at gens and that's it. But every killer overperforms against noobs.
Billy takes a tremendous amount of time and skill to master him, especially when you try to master every little trick and the most satisfying called curving. Billy has a very balanced basekit with enough depth.
U can try to call Freddy overperforming or Spirit, that would sound much more reasonable and would open serious and genuine discussions. But definetly NOT Billy.
Except those games do not happen regularly enough for 99,9% of the playerbase so why even talk about it, it's the same argument as with marth88's experiment, the devs know that a survivor squad will always beat ANY killer except nurse, should they balance a non-competitive game around 0.01% of the community? hell n.
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@LordRegal said:
I can't speak for most of the streamers, but Otz played Billy very infrequently in recent months because he didn't find him as interesting as most of the other killers. If he's this vocally against the changes when he isn't even playing him frequently anyway...I feel like that's indicative of there being an actual problem.
No it's not, if he has no clue about billy then he's literally bandwagoning most likely for views as many streamers and youtubers will milk the ######### out of this.
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@1234512345 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1425422#Comment_1425422
Reddit, Twitter, Youtube, Steam: Am i a joke to you?
If you go by that then the world would be a rightwing circlejerk.
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The ppl who get hurt by that nerf the most will be curvebillys.
Neither Monto nor Otz are on that level.
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@Babyyy_Boyy said:
Ds already got changed. Back then you couldn’t pick up the obsession and the other survivors couldn’t use it unless they’re wiggle bar was 35%
It arguably got buffed if you are solo now.
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@Customapple0 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1425063#Comment_1425063
Nothing is stopping you from chasing & downing the survivor after the DS. However it has much better utilisation in endgame.
That is still a whole new damn chase which amounts to at least 30 seconds unless the survivor is an absolute potato. One of the best killerperks awards a 20 second gen regression AFTER hooking somebody, let that sink in.
KIllerperks should by design be much stronger than survivorperks yet the survivormeta consists of perks that you could get use of every game.
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@D3_destr0y3r said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1424242#Comment_1424242
Well then you put on your big boy pants and deal with a 5 second stun.
Or survivors could put on their big boy pants and stop relying on so many second chances.
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@Callmehandsome said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1424276#Comment_1424276
Im perfectly fine if they delete both perks. Both reward for failure. So i think both perks should receive hard nerfs
how does NOED reward failure when the game is literally designed to a 2k (in other words 5 gens will get done unless survivors screw up)
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@Customapple0 said:
DS is fine. Eat the stun before endgame then it’s basically wasted perk.
I personally like it because I get 60s of “invincibility”. At least it somewhat helps with getting tunnelled out of the game early on.
However if you refuse to eat the DS for whatever reason early on then it’s on you if it reaches endgame and DS bails the survivor out.
I’m sorry but I’m not just going to get out ASAP if I have DS running. I will use it to my full advantage in endgame.
I especially like it when me & teammate make a coordinated save, I bait the killer to grab me with DS active and teammate rescues survivor with BT while the killer gets a 5s stun. So satisfying when it all comes together.
Without DS the person would be on a hook, how the ######### is that a wasted perk. It's a whole hookstate, killers don't have anything close to that
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@D3_destr0y3r said:
What if you just didn't touch the survivor that came off the hook for 60 seconds?
Then it doesn't work.
(COUNTERPLAY)
What if I can't even remember which the survivor was t hat I last hooked and I still get DS'd?
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@Sunri said:
Why killer mains are such crybabies just get gut and stop tunneling lol
Decisive strike doesn't stop tunneling, it's mostly abused.
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Can we stop trying to fix gameplay issues with perks? thank you
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@Customapple0 said:
I’m guessing the purpose of this thread is to trigger survivor mains?
"durr, survivors are not supposed to save each other or use flashlights or heal up etc etc".
Same killers:
"Why am I getting genrushed"
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@Mister_xD said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1422277#Comment_1422277
too bad you agreed to the Terms of Service that deny you that option.
next time, read them.
Laws>Terms of Service, when will people learn? Im not saying in this case he'd have a chance but i'm saying just because u sign sth doesn't mean it's legal
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Somebody didn't play when pissed off survivors could just hold the game hostage indefinately and derp around forever with open gates.
Endgame was made to counteract this toxic behaviour.
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@goatslinger said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1423711#Comment_1423711
He's not more brainless but much more powerful. Anyone with 2 hands can throw on pop and bbq and 4k anyone with freddy. He's very very strong with no skill cap. So no, there is not really a reason to choose clown over him.
You still only 4k against potatoes as freddy since he has no killpressure, smart survivors will just go for distance, it's sad that many survivors get carried by too large maps.
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@Acromio said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1423833#Comment_1423833
It's a competitive game, whether you like it or not. An extremely shoddy competitive game, but it still is one, and should be balanced as such.
And I'm glad the devs are seeing this the same with removal of ruin, great skillcheck progression etc etc. Look at league, the easiest champs in the game are the best performers, you don't need everything to be complicated as hell. Once the devs go even more casual the game will be a hit.
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@LordRegal said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1423424#Comment_1423424
Personally I feel like it's completely fair that the more skilled player comes out on top in a multiplayer versus game. Not sure why that's a controversial opinion.
It's a party game not a tournament.
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I enjoy watching Lumi83 cos it's fun to see somebody play the game who's not ridiculously optimized, when I want to check out on tryhard gameplay I'll watch Fungoose or Scottjund, Umbra is also really "normal" for the lack of a better word but in a positive sense but I think hardly anybody knows her here.
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I still main him mostly, what's with the stupid "Pyramid tunneling mains" BS, do you prefer a bubba who straight up just facecamps you?
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There was no nerf to genspeeds so what are you talking about.
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@Acromio said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1423424#Comment_1423424
Because most survivors can't even tell a generator from a pallet.
Not biased at all, well im very glad he's getting nerfed, I think they could do even more but they're probably afraid of backlash.
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@goatslinger said:
Depends what you're after. If you want to play braindead and get easy 4ks then no. Freddy every time.
Why should I have to put in brainpower while survivors holdm1 in a game with no competitive mode or clout in the first place, also freddy is just a regular m1 killer with a teleport mostly, he's not more brainless than for example bubba or wraith.
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@[Deleted User] said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1423642#Comment_1423642
His power is perfectly fine without add ons provided thought is put into making each bottle toss count.
im not a fan of chars that I need to learn mechanics of in a 1off game like DBD to be honest so I wont learn it and just keep playing m1 killers like Executioner.
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@[Deleted User] said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1423623#Comment_1423623
Clown is a strategist. It’s just limited to how he takes control of the chase.
I just hated how his bottle slow was barely noticable, I didn't use addons sure but a power shouldn't be garbage without addons.
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@[Deleted User] said:
There are things Clown can do that Freddy simply cannot do.
For starters, one bottle at a loop achieves what 3 snares do WITHOUT having to do several laps before setting them up, AND Clown doesn’t have to wait for awake survivors to fall asleep.
Clown can zone survivors away from tiles AHEAD of the chase. Freddy simply cannot do this. He’s mostly reactionary with his snares, and only works if survivors are stupid enough to keep doing laps around the same loop.
Guess he's not my playstyle then since i'm more of a strategist who enjoys global mappressure with fake teleports.
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He literally has the same concept but weaker.
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@LordRegal said:
I'm really starting to feel like the whole "happy how Billy performs and has enough counterplay" they were talking exclusively about his right hand, because the more I'm hearing about the upcoming nerf, the more I'm thinking he's going to be unwilling to use his power in almost any situation.
I say this as someone who is an admittedly not great Billy, but the good Billys I've watched have definitely been neutered by this change unless they completely change the playstyle.
The good billys 4k in almost every game, you think that's fair?
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@CakeDuty said:
You might not be aware, but great skillchecks were nerfed to only give 1% last patch (.6 seconds) and I'm pretty sure failed skillchecks have always only been 5% regress, not 10%
oh, lol yeah I was not aware my bad. Then the genspeeds that most ppl complain about are probably really a result of no RUIN i guess.
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Doctor is not even that good lol, what's this about? He's below Spirit, Freddy and a good Nurse.
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Getting Springtrap into the game makes too much sense from a business standpoint, if I were Cote I'd definately do it. (The ESRB could kiss my ass lol)
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lol @ thinking 90 second or 3 minute chases are impressive when some killers at redranks are absolute potatoes and some maps are still outright broken with almost unlimited resources back to back to back where you could go from pallet to pallet and waste everything without ever looping and still win LOL.
who cares about losing an item, survivorgrind is absolutely easy, heck most of the time I don't even bother with bringing an item due to chests.
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Genspeeds are fine, survivors being able to drag out chases for minutes while maps are huge is the problem.