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cause they want the portals to be the most important, but they way they are right now SUUUUCKS
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I see what you were going here, but i'm not sure this is the right way to fix things. Would you like to explain your thinking a bit more?
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@Frosty said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/771679#Comment_771679
No kidding, its a shame. Suck a good base for a killer, with such squandered potential.
I really hope they give them more than just an add-on tweak and help Legion. You can be looped in FF.
A Trapper with 3 stacks of PWYF goes faster than Legion in FF.
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@HamdaN said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/771698#Comment_771698
first clip was from noob3 because i didnt have any personal clips for pallets at the time, secondly who cares what the patch notes say there has been countless issues and changes that have been coming back regardless even if they say its fixed. cmon dude you know this game prob just as good as me theres issues... yes because youre a killer main youre not seeing it on the other side because on your screen it looks fine especially on p2p thiis isnt hard to grasp
I'm telling you hard, unbiased facts.
And No, it's not fine on my side at times. Even more with dedicated, but even in P2P I had survivors teleporting (away) at times.
You also just admitted you don't know when the clips were made in the first place and that some were taken from other places so you don't know the ping for all of them.
I'm done here.
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@fahad0595 said:
freedy lunge and demo shred it is the most broken ######### in the game
I could be wrong, but I think the Devs said the Demo hitting you trough a window thing with Shred was intended.
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https://deadbydaylight.gamepedia.com/Lunge@C3Tooth said:
Do each Killer has different lung range? Because I swear my hit rate with Wraith is better than Spirit. And also I feel Spirit recover from missing attack is faster than Wraith.
I need some confirm info.
It's all there.
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@HamdaN said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/771683#Comment_771683
lmao i think you just fail to realize its a problem. “bad net” lmfao most of these were on 40-50 ms thats a deslusional claim. tons of big content creators have tilted their head at nurse hits youre just virtue signaling right now and its bad
alright... so what you are saying is you won't listen and look at the patch notes I have given you, and that I'm wrong cause i'm a Killer... and that some how I'm delusional for not having all the information (even though you could be lying cause there is no proof) cause it was never shown.
You are also basing your ideas on what "Big content creators" have said instead of looking at hard data, just cause the DATA PROVES YOU WRONG.
In the first clip you are saying sorry you have bad internet, and if the stream pauses or breaks to refresh.
I don't think I need to say anything, you proved who you are much better than I could have done. Have fun in the Fog with your narrow viewpoint.
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Sorry your net is bad? Some of those were just hits cause of animation or something to do with Ping or how the weapon looks. What I am giving you is exact data and patch notes. Also, good job DCing cause you got hit...
Also when were the dates for some of these clips? Is that the sloppy bug i see?
as a few people have said, it looks weird on the smaller weapons.
If you don't want to read it and believe it, I'm sorry to say that I have nothing else to tell you. Have fun in the Fog.
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@Frosty said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/771648#Comment_771648
Ah yes, thats one of my favorite responses. Sometimes the survivors just out pressure a stealth killer. I found that would happen with wraith, it's like no terror radius gives no one anything to be afraid of.
I mean, you know who I main and I still can't get that pressure going some times.
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@HamdaN said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/771666#Comment_771666
idk man theres alot of bogus hits on her even with good ping, servers right now made it worse
I refer you back to this:
https://deadbydaylight.gamepedia.com/Lunge -
@lynelmane said:
So i've been trying to learn Huntress, and I just got her to level 50 today. I have been practicing with regular hatchets with some of the effects addons, but sometimes I also like to use Iridescent Head to get easier kills.
I was looking at my addons and bloodweb, and this is how many iridescent heads I have.
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/083/QPGKF45UR0KF.png
I had 1 Infantry Belt.
These are supposed to be rarer than the infantry belt, and yet I have 10x the amount of them. Sometimes theres 3 in a single bloodweb and I can manage to get 2 of them AND at least 1 perk.
Something ain't right here.
it's so... shiny...
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@HamdaN said:
nurses cone is huge i swear its bigger
Used to be. Not anymore.
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@MisterCremaster said:
I think it's interesting how survivors are complaining so much about spirit, but then when I chose to play a different killer, I get totally tea bagged and other toxic behavior. I don't really get triggered, but it's not fun feeling like you're just getting dunked on, so back to spirit we go.
One thing survivors could do to not see so much of spirit is not act like ashholes to those who try something different.
as OTZ said to a bunch of BMing survivors. "And you are the people that wonder why you only see Nurse and Spirit at Red Ranks."
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@FishFry247 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/770795#Comment_770795
They are all the same except nurse, freddy just looks like he has far reach because he is a small dude, stop with this survivor vs killer mentality, especially when you are wrong and assume only killer mains are on this forum...
Thank you.
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@Frosty said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/771496#Comment_771496
That is a by far more common and very deflating moment as well. That "well let's make the best of this then" feeling really takes the wind out of the sails. Some times they don't turn out to be the worst.
People will tell you to "apply Pressure"... sure as Ghost Face on a corn map. I'll just slather that pressure all over.
I remember one that I kept playing (I never DC unless I see some bugs or insanity) as Ghost Face in that exact map. I did my best, but all the gens popped so fast I legit went and opened the Gate, went in and stalked around the little wall in there. They all seemed freaked out that a Ghostface was just staring at them, so they gave me time to stalk them all, then I just started swinging. I didn't manage to down them all, cause every Killer is a neat freak and I didn't run STBFL for once, but It was a uplifting moment at least.
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@Monlyth said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/771572#Comment_771572
You know, Legion's playstyle sounds fun to me in theory, but with all the BS you have to put up with that limits the power of FF, I'm really hesitant to actually pick him up.
It's fun and honestly Legion is WHY I came back to DBD after 2016-17.
But as they are right now... just know that you are going in crippled, but that Feral Frenzy is fun at times.
Old Legion sucked too. The Devs are even QUOTED as saying they built Old Legion for Fun, not to be good. Which is like in Kung Pow: Enter the fist where they taught that one guy wrong as a joke. That's why I have my 7 page long thread in Feedback about Rework and buff ideas. Legion is my favorite Killer hands down, but I should not have to feel like that guy you see in anime "Taking off the weighted clothes to fight for real this one time." When I play another Killer.
It's up to you man, I enjoy them enough to keep playing but it will hurt at times... very badly.
Which is why you see me say
*cries in Legion main*
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@Tzeentchling9 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/771519#Comment_771519
It's having the opposite effect on me. I was fine with them before, but now all the little "quirks" are starting to add up and become aggravating.
yeah, same, but I know they need to do the testing...
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@Quol said:
If survivors genuinely dislike that the majority of killers are Spirit/Nurse/Billy at the higher ranks then buffing the lower rank killers to their level is the best choice but i have a sneaking suspicion that isnt the real reason.
My suspicion is that if the lower end killers were to be buffed to the higher level there will be an increase in complaining, not decrease. "All killers are so over powered and this game is boring now!" will be the new mantra.
You right
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@NoShinyPony said:
Killers aren't coddled by the devs at all. This game is unbalanced and survivor is the power role.
If you believe only killers are toxic: You should start playing killer yourself on a regular basis so you can experience the toxicity coming from the survivors' side first-hand. This is not "good survivors vs evil killers". You can find toxic people on both sides.
I only read the first part of your post, so I might have missed something.
Thank you Level headed Survivor friend. See you in the Fog!
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@Alice_pbg said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/771603#Comment_771603
Op said the game is too killer sided and he dies 80% to 85% in all his solo games. Also that killers always get 4ks around that same amount.
So I showed the data to show that's not the case at all. In any ranks.
That was my point. Show that the op was just overreacting and that his experience does not reflect the game as a whole.
Sorry if that wasn't clear. :)
Oh okay! Yeah that was both missing context and likely a bit of the meds i'm on for my Pneumonia. Sorry! Cool, yeah I was WAY Wrong!
I also, with some thinking, want to add that I wonder if DCs counted as deaths there. If so, then the numbers would be even HIGHER for survivors escaping cause the "Deaths" would be off.
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IM not gonna vote if all i'm gonna get is people belittling my choice.
Oh and
https://deadbydaylight.gamepedia.com/LungeAs of Patch 2.2.0, all Killers have the same Lunge Range and speed. Their base movement speed, if it differs from 4.6m/s, gets temporarily set to that and all reach a top speed of 6.9m/s during the Lunge Attack.
Research before you try to stir up drama.
@BabyCameron10 said:
I know hitboxes are bad but some killers have a worse hitbox than others
@altruistic said:
https://clips.twitch.tv/ZanySpookyAniseHeyGuys
They all received the “stretch Armstrong” lunge after PTB launched 😀
@ArrowTheGreat11 said:
There’s so many killer mains on this thread that have never played a minute of survivor 😂😂 all of the above for me cause I’ve seen Nurse swing from California and hit me in Texas.
Freddy can start his swing from Africa and reach you in the United States
Unless there’s a car in the way, Huntress can throw her hatchets in any general direction and it’ll hit you
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I mean, they left with the Item. So...
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@skillchecks said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/771497#Comment_771497
respect, then swing at the pallet and still get hit even if i'm 50 feet away from that pallet, like rubber banding with 50 ping. Like that weird step backwards you do when you vault a window before you get hit.
Well, at least as far as I understand the term, that means NOT swinging at the pallet at all. I get what you mean though... even if I haven't seen Survivors fly back at me at all and have only seen them seem to go really fast.
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@Alice_pbg said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/771554#Comment_771554
I gave you the most up to date data avaiable.
My personal one from this last rank reset and the last one released by the devs.(to my knowledge)
Most of the issues you said are minor. They affect specifics but not the general point. So it's not relevant when we are talking about the general idea.
Which killers were used? The ones being used are the ones people were playing on that rank. Who cares which ones? It's not important when we are looking at the general survival rates.
If you want to see which killers are the most deadly theres one image on that post showing that. But it's not relevant here.
You seem to be under the impression I think the devs are coddling the killers... why are you assuming that?
But hey, since you apparently know what my idea is "good job finding outdated data that half supported your idea"
what is my idea? What do you think I'm trying to say here? Go on... tell me. I'll fact check
Huh, well i'll admit I could be wrong. I do think that those "Specifics" are important, but whatever.
In the context of your post at the time, you never SAID your point. You just asked if it was "clear enough". So, having looked at the %s you gave and all, it seemed like you were siding with OP.
But hey, context is hard to get across in text. So lets try this: You tell me what your "Idea" was in clear terms instead of being vague, and I'll tell you if your context seemed like that at the start.
Like i said, I could be wrong, I admit that.
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@CrowFoxy said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/771152#Comment_771152
Fungoose is not the determining factor of balance. No 1 person is or ever will be. It's like how Tru3 thinks GF may be better than Billy, it's why I'm glad these are opinions.
Same... same...
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@anarchy753 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/771566#Comment_771566
It really is killer dependent, for killers like Hag who don't have to deal with most normal loops because they get hits other ways it's strong. Especially Hag, it has so many forced landing points where you can't possibly dodge the trap.
But M1 killers it's painful. Most pallets block off whole hallways, the entire corner of the map around the basement is just a 10 minute dead zone.
and lets be real, most Killers are m1 Killers.
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Also one more thing for the people that want Old Legion back... some quotes I found about them at the time:
Also, Legion OP? Annoying, for sure, but he's still trash and requires an exploit to be decent. Or Frank's Mixtape.
I'm sorry, but how does anybody find Legion OP? Even the devs specifically stated they made him for fun more than competency.
Most loopable killer in the game, cannot down people with his power unless you use Frank's Mix Tape (a purple add-on by the way, and still need to hit people 3 times with it), mending not being a healing action ruins any good perk builds you can make, the power doesn't recharge fast enough and doesn't last long enough, too slow to chase people without his power, do I need to go on? This killer is a joke, nobody's afraid of them. This killer is a literal door mat even for the worst of survivors. Even at what this killer is supposedly good at (injuring multiple people at once), it does nothing in the long run since good survivors always split up.
he's just so terrible it's unfathomable to me
But yeah Legion is a trash can of a killer and BHVR should be ashamed of making a useless killer.
The Devs are even QUOTED as saying they built Old Legion for Fun, not to be good. Which is like in "Kung Pow: Enter the fist" where they taught that one guy wrong as a joke.
Don't get me wrong, I loved the FEELING of Old Legion and I still enjoy New Legion. But Old Legion was still really bad. It just feels like it was "Glorious" cause we are stuck with this crippled version we have now. We need good buffs and tweaks. (Some would argue a full on rework. I'm not sure, though Mob Mentality is still REALLY cool in concept and i'd like to see something that used the LEGION part of it.... without any stupid locker stuff)
Devs, take your time and really plan out what you do with Legion. Just fixing add-ons isnt enough, but I don't want you to rush either. Look through all the thoughts here and other places, take input from Legion mains, and give us something both Fun and Good (because it can be both) that keeps the "Rush Down" or "Blitz" attack play style. I know you can do it. @Peanits @not_Queen
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@InfinyMage said:
Im all for buffs. Buffs for solos survivors would mean buff for killers in general. My only concern over what period time would these killers be getting buffs to bridge the gap? Newly released killers would probably not be an issue as they could be created with the new level playing field but what about the older ones?? The devs dont have the greatest of track record when it comes to reworks.
See old freddy and how long he remained in the state he was before he was changed.
See legion who remains in a butchered state even today (also plenty of threads constantly asking or suggesting or brainstorming possible buffs etc etc)
The nurse is only just now about to go live with the changes the devs implemented but she had been basically the way she was since shes been in-game.
And theres still a list of killers which they have on the radar for tweaks and add on rework? How long will this grand picture if closing said gap truly take???
(like my thread in feedback)
*Cries in Legion main*
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@Alice_pbg said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/771495#Comment_771495
Where have they said that?
And you don't have to believe me. It's irrelevant.
Don't mind me. I got all of the backwards.
I, for one, would like a good back and forth match and not a stomp either way.
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@LordGlint said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/771502#Comment_771502
Sure ya can, just throw a bandaid on any infected spots and deny it til your blue (or green).
Green and rotting. Have you seen what it does to her? Bleh.
Also, have you seen the feedback thread? It blew up.
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Cause you are sick. I mean, I figured that was obvious. You can't bandage the plague away.
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We REALLY need to buff the lower tier Killers.
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*Legion nerf PTSD*
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@skillchecks said:
I literally stopped playing survivor because i got tired of getting hit from miles away, 5 sec after vaulting a window, killer respecting pallets , whiffing and still getting hit , etc, etc, etc. 50 ping btw.
How is the Killer respecting the pallets the server's fault?
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@Frosty said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/771484#Comment_771484
Exactly. It just gets silly. I'm not one to just give up but that's what I felt like doing, this same dance can happen at the gates too.
The worst feeling for me is downing that first guy and 2-3 gens pop.
But yeah man, I understand exactly what you mean now.
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@Alice_pbg said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/771280#Comment_771280
First one is mine. Made by me on the first site I found that does it. Using data I collected
And heres the source for the others
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/61114/community-community-data-requests
yeah cool, the Devs still said the last two were wrong.
And No offense, but im not trusting something someone random on the internet threw together.
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@Frosty said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/771398#Comment_771398
That's my exact thought, like how many times can you just get bandaged up. It doesn't happen often but this aspect has been expolied in some of my games before.
Like if I get a solid 3 gen and am constantly chasing survivors off the gens and getting a quick hit in, but must break chase to keep the pressure on gens because they're on them like flies to poo.
They just run off and heal and come back to swap out. Chasing one down would certianly let the last gen fall as they are just baiting me away.
You got a really good point there. Like what is the Killer supposed to do then?
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I mostly support ideas to buff the lower Tier Killers.
Can we get buffs for our poor Clowns and Legions and Wraiths?
For one vote a day, you too can help...
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@Quol said:
We can always buff the lower end killers to the level of spirit, that way you wont see Spirit all the time.
yes...
YES
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@premiumRICE said:
I quoted your post but for some reason it doesnt work properly with my phone, also poor spelling comes too
as I said above, if you can get or play at red ranks with a killer, it is fine, and you can do it with all of them.
To explain myself better on that one, if you got an infinite in a map and a survivor start the loop, just drop the chase and pick another target you will still apply pressure.
What exact killer question?
You got some killers who cant force you out of a loop but you got different mechanics like instadowns and so on.
So, you are saying that any Killer is viable in red ranks? Maybe with a TON of practice, like I have with Legion, but you say that Clown is Red Rank Viable and you will get laughed right outta a forum. There is a big call to buff lower Tier Killers, cause what do most people see at high ranks?
The 3 you mentioned earlier, plus maybe a Freddy or Hag.
The Killer questions I had where for like Plague and such. There was alot of them.
Instadowns are all well and good, but if you can't CATCH them, it doesn't do you any good.
I will agree now on the "Leave the loop" thing if it's Coal Tower or something, BUT not only does that make you lose pressure, and have to find someone again, but then they will go there EVERY CHASE. This also does not work on unmindgameable loops out in the field that are just made cause of the map.
The Devs have started reworking the maps, they can see the issues i'm pointing out.
Also its all good on the quote thing, I get that.
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Okay, quick thought. Why is it so punishing to miss as Legion? You lose your power AND get stunned.
I don't think there is another Killer that has this issue, right?
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@Oshirigami said:
LOL instead of removing them they made them even worse.
https://clips.twitch.tv/DeadQuaintCockroachFUNgineer
Killers just straight up teleporting to hit people, being invisible or stuck in animations, etc.
how about survivors being stuck in Sprint Burst the whole match?
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Yeah you dont HAVE to slam that button (like the Like Button) but you do have too keep a pace. Don't push it to max right off
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@VincentRedfield said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/96957/question-for-survivors
Ehh whats so bad about instas? They are one time use.
Resetting a chase on one or two button presses. Even a Dev has been quoted saying they were not skilled and far too strong.
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@premiumRICE said:
Pretty much all of their mechanics work fine and so is legion, doctor,demo, freddy,doctor and so on.
Can you “beat” a skilled sfw? Maybe not
Can you reach rank 1? Yes
this goes back to what I said earlier; you are not forced to chase into the loop.
Play around it
Cause the next step would be removing jungle jyms, T & L’s and so on.
please mention me next time, as then I can see you replied.
Now, how do you define Fine?
Cause, for example, Doctor's barely go off and stop people from looping.
Demo's ONLY works in a straight line.
Legion can be looped in FF.
I can keep going. Also, "not forced to chase into a loop" is something i'm not understanding. Are you saying I should just leave them if they get to a loop?
I don't think they need to remove the things you mentioned (Gyms, btw) but toning down the AMOUNT of them would help. Or just making sure it's not an "Unmindgameable loop" next to another. Alot of pallets are too safe. The Killer must break pallet or chase. The good people can mind game alot true, but other than that, there isn't much you can do and keep the pressure on.
You also did not answer some of my exact Killer questions.
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That being said I have a question;
Why does Dying Light still buff your obsession now that you aren't out to murder them as quick as possible?
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@yobuddd said:
Question: do these 2 perks stack with each other?
imagine dying light, thano, and sloppy butcher all in one build! They’d never get healed! Nurses calling seems an appropriate 4th here
I've done it.... DCs for Days.
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Let's be real, both sides are toxic at times.
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@premiumRICE said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/771403#Comment_771403
Nurse, spirit and huntress for example and almost every killer has a mechanic to prevent you from doing loops
So 3. Wait! Hag! (even though it's like Trapper's but she doesn't have to pick them up sooo...) so 4.
Out of 17.
Okay, so every Killer has a mechanic. How many of those Mechanics are good?
What is Plague's?
What is Demo's? (That Shred doesn't really count if its a round loop)
What is Bubba's?
Doctor's barely works.
What is Myer's?
What is Wraith's?
Trapper Traps just make people run if he tries to use them in a loop.
Clown's bottles are very limited in effect due to his own slow downs to slow you down.
Pig's ambush is normally a joke if you can't time it or fake it.
How about Ghost Face?
Or, as mentioned, Legion... who can be looped while he's in FF, cause his vault speeds and MS in FF are laughable. (*cries in Legion main*)
Also please, know that I am not being a douche here. I know context is hard to read in text, but I am honestly curious and not meaning to be snarky in the least.
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I have many questions when I can't catch up to survivors at all normally and barely when I use FF...