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My guess is that both JMF and VT decrease charge time by the same amount and it does not matter which order you use them in.thesuicidefox said:
That depends how you interpret "slightly". The wiki states that JMF "Decreases the charge time by 50 %" and VT "Decreases the charge time to 0.5 seconds" and the order matters AFAIK. That means if you use them in combination, JMF first then VT, you should have a super fast charge time. -
None of these are worth using IMO. The only one I couls barely see a case being made for is John's Medical File. Bleeding is nigh useless, none of the ones that modify Skill Checks are good on anyone who doesn't suck at them, and Shattered Syringe is definitely not good enough by itself as an individual add-on.Chi said:Pig
Workshop Grease (Eh, it is a common addon.)
John's Medical File (Nope, quite useful.)
Shattered Syringe (Nope, super useful)
Razor Wire (Works well in a gross Pig build.)
Utility Blades (Works well with Bloodhound.)
Interlocking Razor (Works well with Razor Wire, again disgusting build lol.)
Amanda's Secret (Yes, this addon is actually completely useless. I can't stand getting it in my bloodweb.) -
Oh. So, like, every other Killer?Speshul_Kitten said:Hits as in frenzy hits -
I'm assuming when you say "down," you mean sacrifice, right?Speshul_Kitten said:
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My strategy is to let 'em be at first and focus on other Survivors and then start harassing them if they've failed to get the trap off in a timely manner (long enough for me to suspect that they failed on their first one or two boxes). BBQ&C lets me gauge what box they probably last checked and what box they may be headed to next (since they may not be able to afford masking their aura or faking their direction while they are on the clock). Then I can work to down them and drag them away from boxes I have a good feeling they still need to check. Hopefully that will waste enough time that one more good stumble on their part will be enough to make the trap snap inevitable. Either that, or by the time they reach the last box, I won't need to stall them for long before the trap goes off.Eninya said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
TAG said:Here's a dumb question: Would it be possible to modify the Jigsaw Box's design to allow a Survivor to search it from any side (similar to a generator) instead of just one?
Idk I feel that might be a bit too hard on Pig, survivors would be able to hide behind itI think a better thing would be to allow the Jigsaw box to reset to another location if the pig’s presence (not Terror radius) stays near one for too long. Provided that there isn’t a survivor on a hook of course.
Well, body blocking boxes is unnecessary, and incredibly rare to be effective without using Amanda's Secret and limiting you to two boxes. On top of this, you need to waste time sneaking around the survivor to see if they get their trap off on the first box, and then beat them to the second.
This entire time, you're not pressuring anyone else, and wasting time on the survivor you're already pressuring. This is the whole problem with that garbage "Ultra Rare addon" for her. Even the Ambush w4llh4x you get is so small it's practically useless, as is trying to spend an entire match using Ambush. Using boxes is loud, so if you patrol near one you'll hear someone trying to use it.
If you're going to kill someone with some serious cheese on Pig, it's infinitely more effective to Ambush-camp hooks, as you'll still be able to bring better addons.
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Wouldn't that just allow the Pig to warp boxes away from people?Speshul_Kitten said:
Idk I feel that might be a bit too hard on Pig, survivors would be able to hide behind itI think a better thing would be to allow the Jigsaw box to reset to another location if the pig’s presence (not Terror radius) stays near one for too long. Provided that there isn’t a survivor on a hook of course.TAG said:Here's a dumb question: Would it be possible to modify the Jigsaw Box's design to allow a Survivor to search it from any side (similar to a generator) instead of just one? -
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Unless they changed it after the Legion released, I'm more likely to believe that it is just a weird bug.Master said:@TAG said:
My gut tells me this is probably a bug, becuase I've seen people die while searching a box.Thats how it used to be and im pretty sure about that.
Probably one of those shadow nerfs to killers, ya know....
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My gut tells me this is probably a bug, becuase I've seen people die while searching a box.
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Uh, what? I'm gonna need to see video footage of this in action because this does not happen to me at all.PigNRun said:
Pig does see what boxes have the keys for her remaining traps (on her and on Survivors). After a Survivor removes a trap, the respective Jigsaw Box's aura disappears from her vision.Bravescorpio said:
Can I ask a stupid question here, how does the pig know it's the last Jigsaw box? Unless she followed you around to all the others?Speshul_Kitten said:4 survivors left
2 gens left to do
Jigsaw Helmet timer is halfway through...
(Rank 1, Not SWF, if any of that info matters)
Pig staring at Jigsaw box until time runs out
They don't fade away from her vision like they do a survivor who needs them, and with 4 survivors and Gen's left that's quite a thing to track. If she knew it was your last it sounds like she could hav killed you a long time ago and is just dicking you around now -
I just want a killers to have even numbers of add-ons divided among the 5 rarities.ForeheadSurviors said:Hillbilly a killer who should have a cool down like spirit needs buffs? -
What I'm saying is that if an add-on that both slightly decreases Ambush Charge time and missed Ambush cooldown is worth 4000 BP, then an add-on that does one or the ither can't be worth more than 2000. Therefore, there's no way the Syringe and the Medical File can be worth what you spend in BPs to obtain them.Speshul_Kitten said:
“Only 1,000 more” actually means that you’d be spending/saving anywhere from 1000-30000 BP in the bloodweb. If you always want to have good add-ons such as the one that combines them both don’t overuse them on easy games. I use common add-ons that aren’t AS effective but still allow me to play great on high ranks. Not to mention you don’t have to use two common add-ons together.TAG said:
I could in theory see a case made for John's Medical File at low ranks, but Shattered Syringe? Absolutely not.Speshul_Kitten said:Johns Medical File and Shattered Syringe still work wel in red ranks when I play with her. I’m sure a Rank 15 wouldn’t have a hard time making use of them. Try another?
What about the others I mentioned?
EDIT: Let me put it to you this way: If the two individuad add-ons were worth using, then why would an add-on that combines them both with no downside only cost 1000 BP more + only be an uncommon? -
Here's a dumb question: Would it be possible to modify the Jigsaw Box's design to allow a Survivor to search it from any side (similar to a generator) instead of just one?
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I could in theory see a case made for John's Medical File at low ranks, but Shattered Syringe? Absolutely not.Speshul_Kitten said:Johns Medical File and Shattered Syringe still work wel in red ranks when I play with her. I’m sure a Rank 15 wouldn’t have a hard time making use of them. Try another?
What about the others I mentioned?
EDIT: Let me put it to you this way: If the two individuad add-ons were worth using, then why would an add-on that combines them both with no downside only cost 1000 BP more + only be an uncommon? -
Off the top of my head, All the Pig commons except Combat Straps, Smelly Insoles, and Chainsaw File.Speshul_Kitten said:
Name a few? I’m sure they’re viable in the lower ranks.TAG said:
One could argue the really bad commons don't offer enough benefit for their cost.Speshul_Kitten said:
The only ones that need rework are ones that don’t offer much benefit for the cost of their rarity.TAG said:
Why not just, like, make some of them better?Speshul_Kitten said:I think these add-ons should stay. Just because you have almost 200 or whatever doesn’t mean the person who started last week does.
My my proposal would be to leave these add-ons but as you reach a certain rank, they become less and less available or even nonexistent.
Example:
Rank 14-20, all add-ons and items available
Rank 9-12: no more of the more common/basic add-ons and items such as clamps, slightly increased stalking speed, etc.
Rank 5-8: no more padded jaws, plaid flannel, etc.
Rank 1-4: no common add-ons except for things such as toolbox, medkit, common trapper add-ons and other viable add-ons, etc.
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One could argue the really bad commons don't offer enough benefit for their cost.Speshul_Kitten said:
The only ones that need rework are ones that don’t offer much benefit for the cost of their rarity.TAG said:
Why not just, like, make some of them better?Speshul_Kitten said:I think these add-ons should stay. Just because you have almost 200 or whatever doesn’t mean the person who started last week does.
My my proposal would be to leave these add-ons but as you reach a certain rank, they become less and less available or even nonexistent.
Example:
Rank 14-20, all add-ons and items available
Rank 9-12: no more of the more common/basic add-ons and items such as clamps, slightly increased stalking speed, etc.
Rank 5-8: no more padded jaws, plaid flannel, etc.
Rank 1-4: no common add-ons except for things such as toolbox, medkit, common trapper add-ons and other viable add-ons, etc. -
"Being held hostage" in the context of this game generally means being trapped in the game with no way to end it outside of manually disconnecting from the game.Speshul_Kitten said:
Actually it is being held hostage towards the player with the helmet. The only thing I was able to do in my case was help my teammate with a gen until it popped. To counter your example, even hard camping a hook can lead to a save. This method of blocking the the actualy Jigsaw box has no counter.Tzeentchling9 said:Game isn't being held hostage and you even have an out in the hatch. What is being exploited? You're going to die? So what? Is hard camping a hook an exploit too then? -
Why not just, like, make some of them better?Speshul_Kitten said:I think these add-ons should stay. Just because you have almost 200 or whatever doesn’t mean the person who started last week does.
My my proposal would be to leave these add-ons but as you reach a certain rank, they become less and less available or even nonexistent.
Example:
Rank 14-20, all add-ons and items available
Rank 9-12: no more of the more common/basic add-ons and items such as clamps, slightly increased stalking speed, etc.
Rank 5-8: no more padded jaws, plaid flannel, etc.
Rank 1-4: no common add-ons except for things such as toolbox, medkit, common trapper add-ons and other viable add-ons, etc. -
Workshop GreaseDwightsLifeMatters said:I haven't played pig a lot with addons, I mainly use her strong addons or none. I assume ur a pig main, so u have more experience than me for sure. Tell me the addons which are useless and I will add them
John's Medical File
Shattered Syringe
Razor Wire
Utility Blades
Interlocking Razor
Amanda's Secret
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These are the ones I'm sure most Pig mains will tell you are not worth using as they currently are. There are a few others I would also throw on that list Face Mask, Rusty Attachments, Slow-Release Toxin, and Amanda's Letter, but I'd probably want more experienced Pig mains to chime in and paint a better picture before adding those on the list. -
Where is Pig? A lot of her add-ons are not good.
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Disagree. I think the Pig's core abilities are (mostly) fine, but too many of her add-ons are not worth using IMO.Tru3Lemon said:mrs piggy dosent need a buff all youre ideas youre making her a tier s or below ppl still dont understand devs already said that all killers dosent need to be powerful the pig its fine its just you dont know how to play her cuz ive seen alot of p3 pigs and they can easy kill 4 ppl
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@Cetren said:
TAG said:@Cetren said:
TAG said:
@Cetren said: Ultra rare: Two stroke engine
A lower grade engine that runs off of two fuels sources mixed together. In this case, the gasoline has been replaced with blood. Each successful chainsaw hit inflicts the survivors with a new status effect; 1 successful hit: Mangled status effect
2 successful hits: Moderate Repair speed penalty 3 successful hits: hindered status effect 4 successful hits: exposed status effect. The Begrimed Chains already inflict both Mangled and a reduction to repair speed. The third hit is meaningless unless you are either using the Speed Limiter or you somehow fail to Sacrifice (or Mori) the Survivor in question after three chainsaws. If you fail to do so after FOUR chainsaws, something has gone terribly wrong.
Its a stacking add-on. Every single effect from the doctors iridescent king add-on can be achieved through his other add-ons. It frees up a lot if you want to run something else, or stacks with them if you don't.
You're missing the point. After one hit, it's worse than Begrimed Chains, after two hits, it's Begrimed Chains, after three hits, how are they not dead, after four hits, HOW ARE THEY NOT DEAD.
Ah, the classic, I'm right, therefore you're wrong." I'm not missing any point, the point is that those debuffs stack and aren't on a timer which is already a direct upgrade, plus the ability for more effects. In any case, it's definitely an improvement to his base kit.
The extra effects are pretty much irrelevant because successfully striking someone down with your chainsaw 3 times means that unless you have failed to hook them after each chainsaw, they will be sacrificed after the third one, which means the hindered status effect and the exposed status effect will almost never come into play. So at that point, you've basically just made an Ultra Rare that's hardly different from Begrimed Chains.
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@Cetren said:
TAG said:@Cetren said:
Ultra rare: Two stroke engine
A lower grade engine that runs off of two fuels sources mixed together. In this case, the gasoline has been replaced with blood. Each successful chainsaw hit inflicts the survivors with a new status effect; 1 successful hit: Mangled status effect
2 successful hits: Moderate Repair speed penalty
3 successful hits: hindered status effect
4 successful hits: exposed status effect.
The Begrimed Chains already inflict both Mangled and a reduction to repair speed. The third hit is meaningless unless you are either using the Speed Limiter or you somehow fail to Sacrifice (or Mori) the Survivor in question after three chainsaws. If you fail to do so after FOUR chainsaws, something has gone terribly wrong.
Its a stacking add-on. Every single effect from the doctors iridescent king add-on can be achieved through his other add-ons. It frees up a lot if you want to run something else, or stacks with them if you don't.
You're missing the point. After one hit, it's worse than Begrimed Chains, after two hits, it's Begrimed Chains, after three hits, how are they not dead, after four hits, HOW ARE THEY NOT DEAD.
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@Cetren said:
Ultra rare: Two stroke engineA lower grade engine that runs off of two fuels sources mixed together. In this case, the gasoline has been replaced with blood.
Each successful chainsaw hit inflicts the survivors with a new status effect;
1 successful hit: Mangled status effect
2 successful hits: Moderate Repair speed penalty
3 successful hits: hindered status effect
4 successful hits: exposed status effect.The Begrimed Chains already inflict both Mangled and a reduction to repair speed. The third hit is meaningless unless you are either using the Speed Limiter or you somehow fail to Sacrifice (or Mori) the Survivor in question after three chainsaws. If you fail to do so after FOUR chainsaws, something has gone terribly wrong.
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Blood points aside, I don't think I'd want an Ultra Rare add-on to trade the OHKO aspect of the chainsaw for a rare (The Thompson's Mix) and an uncommon (Primer Bulb) rolled into a single add-on.
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@SmokePotion said:
@friendlykillermain said:
@SmokePotion said:
this thread would be calledUnintintionallyRacistThread
how? i respect native american culture and i like the names their great warriors had like sitting bull crazy horse and runstheenemy its really interesting to learn
That's not how they name themselves. i've worked for 3 different tribes in three different states. During orientation, when they give you the sexism and racism info, they all mentioned this as a racial stereotype.
I have seen many native americans get really mad over this. I watched one Seminole tribe member fire a manager at their casino, and then blackball them from working in any decent restaurant in Tampa, for calling himself ManWHoCooks.
It's one of those racist things that got put into popular culture, like calling a Romani a Gypsy.
I see this post has not prevented this thread from progressing.
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I'm guessing you or someone on your team with Breakdown was recently hooked in the basement.
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A little, admittedly.Delfador said:@TAG said:
Delfador said:I don't know about huntress but leatherface definitely needs a nerf.
My suggestion is that when he is charging his chainsaw, his movement speed should be 85% and when he unleashes the chainsaw, his movement speed should be 80%.
Also on top of this nerf, it is better to hit the survivors 3 times to down them with his chainsaw since it can do multiple damage.
Seems good to me.
This one is definitely a joke, yes?
Do you doubt it
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This one is definitely a joke, yes?Delfador said:I don't know about huntress but leatherface definitely needs a nerf.
My suggestion is that when he is charging his chainsaw, his movement speed should be 85% and when he unleashes the chainsaw, his movement speed should be 80%.
Also on top of this nerf, it is better to hit the survivors 3 times to down them with his chainsaw since it can do multiple damage.
Seems good to me.
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Chunky is not small. He's the largest member of the DK crew.Warno221B said:chunky would be scary as hell hearing the little baby feet. though how would he hook someone? he is only small. Jason would make the game a who's who of horror killers, doubt it'll happen as Jason has his own game
it would be better in DBD but that is by the by. Though for a TV show Negan is the most talked about villain least from speaking to people who have watched the show, that is the general consensus among other characters. -
@Peanits said:
Gotta' say, I don't really think cypress is underpowered, the rest are just overpowered. I don't think there's anything in the game that comes anywhere close to changing the balance that much. The second closest would probably be a tombstone Myers or iridescent head. I mean we're literally talking about an offering that instantly takes someone out of the game after just one hook. The equivalent would be an offering/add-on that allows a survivor to instantly escape after completing only one generator, and that's just bananas. I'm all for most ultra rares being nerfed into the ground like BNPs, anti-hemorrhagic syringes and all. It would make the outcome of a match more based on skill and less who brought the biggest guns.With that said though, I would totally be okay with cypress becoming baseline, but rancor would need something to make it stand out.
I mean, for all intents and purposes, a non-broken key is not far off from that, is it?
And as for Rancor, I wouldn't mind just leaving it as is since being able to kill the Obsession at any point after the gens are powered is still overall more useful during that point of the game than just killing the last Survivor in the trial. If Rancor needed to be changed to accomodate making Cypress Mori base kit, I dunno, what if instead of giving the Killer the ability to insta-kill the Obsession, it let you permanently see the aura of the Obsession once the gates are powered?
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Freddy is better than Nurse. Convince me that I don't believe that.SnakeSound222 said:I think this is bait. -
Would it be an issue to make Scratched Mirror slightly buff Myer's speed? Not up to 115%, but still a little faster than EW1 normally is.Tsulan said:
How would you buff Burger King?Fenrir said:
Is it wrong that i thought that BK stood for Burger King?Tsulan said:Both perks need their stats increased.
Proof Thyself to somewhere between 33% and 50%.
Botany Knowledge to 100% speed bonus.
While the healing nerf was necessary, we now need the possibility to reverse the nerf, by equipping specific perks that are not used very much.
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I feel like that would a) defeat the purpose of the whole Trap + Jigsaw Box thing b) promote hardcore camping, as Pig naturally has a way to beat Borrowed Time and any insta-heals would be pointless. I guess that it's Ultra Rare worthy, but it's not a good design IMO.KingSavageGaming said:Ok guys how about this for an ultra rare
People with reverse bear traps on recieve the exposed effect.
ambush applies a random status effect
- hindered
- Mangled
- Exhaustion
- Deep wound
- Broken
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I feel like given how "anywhere else" usually has hooks, I think that it would be acceptable to have fixed basement spawns in realms that could benefit from it.The_Crusader said:
On one hand I feel that's needed. If they go to those ######### little areas over and over again then they deserve the basement.
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@Milo said:
Well when they don't see the timer they can think it either just started aka waste a bunch of time or its ending and actually benefit on it. MINDGAMESI mean, you can kinda have a rough idea based on how long the timer icon has remained red, no?
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THE FASTEST SPIRIT IN THE WEST
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In this case, it's simply the fact that Pig has an insanely hard time getting Devious points. Her only exclusive Deviousness categories are dashing from an Ambush, hitting someone with an Ambush attack, and putting a Trap on someone. None of them offer enough points for you to really get much out of Deviousness.FayeZahara said:
Is it a bug or is it there addons or just pigs gameplay?TAG said:Oh, also, fix Pig's Deviousness points. I should not be getting a point spread of 7000 1500 6000 7000 as Pig. -
I've never really understood why Amanda can't just see the timer regularly. I've heard a few people say that it would promote harassing someone to force the trap to snap or something, but what stops someone from just doing that anyways?KingSavageGaming said:My suggestion to replace her ultra add-on would be that she can actually see how much time the survivor has left and the survivors search the jigsaw boxes slower . -
Oh, also, fix Pig's Deviousness points. I should not be getting a point spread of 7000 1500 6000 7000 as Pig.
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I need to see a video of this because it sounds hilarious.powerbats said:@White_Owl said:
@Kind_Lemon said:
Side question: Does anyone know what happens if I drop a survivor that has Adrenaline? Does it put them into the injured state from the dying state so I can smack them?If I'm not wrong Adrenaline becomes wasted if it activates while being carried by a killer.
There was a bug a few months ago and it was quite funny actually where it'd launch the survivor off the killers shoulder as if they'd used a rocket launcher. It was basically a sprint burst flying in air and landing running and I'd gone to body block the killer and the survivor went flying past my head in air.
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I also do that (Piggy be mah fav, and it's fun forcing the trap snaps when I can). I still don't think she has enough good add-ons. None of the commons except Combat Straps are worth it, none of the ones that play around with Skill Checks are worth it, none of the ones that inflict penalties on anyone wearing an RBT are worth it, Amanda's Secret isn't worth it, and Amanda's Letter isn't worth it. That leaves her with nine usable perks (and I'm arguably being generous by including Jigsaw's Annotated Plan, even though I use it myself), and only three of them are common or uncommon. That to me is a biiiiiiiiiit of a problem.FayeZahara said:@TAG said:
Fix Pig add-ons.Never had issue with her addons before but probally cause i played her too immersively. Meaning i play her dirty where im gonna find ways to cheat the traps specially near endgame.
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There's an idea. Maybe a Perk that stuns the Killer when they hook a Survivor with said perk, allowing a nearby Survivor to make a fast save (not sure if it would be an issue when combined with Borrowed Time)?antgnstea said:Or kick killer while on the hook. -
Most likely bugged as the other people here said, but out of curiosity, was the Leatherface running Insidious?
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Unrelenting might not be the worst thing in the world for Playstation 4-frames-per-second?
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That seems awful. You'll never land a hit with the increased charge time + the super loud roar.
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Imma give it a whack with the Pig.
Neutral B: Reverse Bear Trap (command grab) - The Pig hops forward with an RBT. If she connects, she grabs the opponent and slaps the trap on before kicking them away (which deals some damage and knockback). A Jigsaw Box spawns on the map, and they have 8 seconds to reach it and get the trap off before it snaps (which will happen the moment the wearer is touching the ground), causing more damage and insta-dizzy. Timer is paused while wearer is hit into the air or grabbed, (it resumes when the user recovers and touches ground again) while a Final Smash is active, or if the Jigsaw Box falls off the map (it will quickly respawn similar to K. Rool's crown). After placing an RBT on someone, she can still grab and hit people with the Neutral B, but she will not place another RBT on someone until 15 seconds after the previous one has either snapped or been taken off.
Side B: Lunge - The Pig runs forward with blade drawn. She can jump while running, and pressing any attack button will cause her to slash. She stops running when she reaches a ledge or when Pig shields to cancel. If she does this in the air, she will move forward and stop the attack if she grabs the ledge
Down B: Ambush - Typical counter. The Pig crouches, and if she is hit, she will dodge and stab with her blade. The Ambush crouch is identical to a normal crouch animation-wise (except that it briefly flashes like a counter) for potential fake-outs.
Up B: Jigsaw's Ascension - The Pig jumps up and drops a Jigsaw Puppet rigged with a bomb, which explodes and propels her up into the air.
Final Smash: Amanda's Game - The Pig charges forward head-first. Anyone she hits will go flying off-screen, causing the screen to fade to black and triggering a cutscene. Anyone hit will appear in a locked room rigged with explosives. One character (chosen at random, since it does not matter; the other characters hit with the FS will simply be observers locked in the same room) will have a key and be in front of two doors. Before they can decide which door to try, both open, revealing dead ends with Jigsaw puppets laughing at them. The room explodes and gameplay resumes, with anyone in that room taking high damage and knockback. -
That is pinning the blame on your teammates, is it not?The_Crusader said:
He stalks the hell out of my teammates, I get instakilled for it despite not being hit or seen all game up until that point.
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I feel like you undermine your own claim by pinning the blame on sloppy teammates and lag.The_Crusader said:I always have Myers tap stalk and instakill me. Punished because the 200iq players on my team let him stalk the hell out of them. Then that laggy hit at a pallet becomes a laggy instakill.
There's no balance to it don't give me that garbage. Being able to instantly take a healthy survivor out of the game with no effort in chasing them is the most broken thing in the entire game.
As far as I am aware, those are extremely map dependent at best.redsopine01 said:
Scratch and vanity mirrors let you see all when stalking and if you run monitor with scratch no tr