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And it's also how "face camping" is defined.
You're not arguing, you're just trying to change definitions.
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Except it wasn't. Face camping was the exploit.
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Face camping was the ability to block the unhook prompt. Why is that so difficult for you to grasp?
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@Mc_Harty said:
@Orion said:
"My" definition is the definition; the one adopted by developers and community alike way back when face camping started to become a problem. Trying to redefine terms won't change the fact that face camping is an exploit wherein the other Survivors do not get the "unhook" prompt. Everything else is just camping.They removed an exploit relating to Facecamping.
As I mentioned above you can still Facecamp the survivor on the hook. The devs didn't remove the killers ability to camp the survivor less then a meter away from his face. You can still perform the action.
What don't you get about this?
Face camping was the exploit. What don't you get about that?
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@Mc_Harty said:
@Orion said:
I stated that the etymological origins of a word don't necessarily match its actual definition. Maybe you need a dictionary.Face camping is blocking the unhook prompt, it's an exploit. Everything else is just camping, which is fine.
Etymology;
the study of the origin of words and the way in which their meanings have changed throughout history.
So what make your definition of Facecamping the right definition?
Btw I have no problem with camping. Dunno why you assumed otherwise.
"My" definition is the definition; the one adopted by developers and community alike way back when face camping started to become a problem. Trying to redefine terms won't change the fact that face camping is an exploit wherein the other Survivors do not get the "unhook" prompt. Everything else is just camping.
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I stated that the etymological origins of a word don't necessarily match its actual definition. Maybe you need a dictionary.
Face camping is blocking the unhook prompt, it's an exploit. Everything else is just camping, which is fine.
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@Mc_Harty said:
@Orion said:
Except that's not what pallet looping is, again. Just because some people call any console "Nintendo" or any Pokémon "Pikachu" doesn't mean all consoles are "Nintendo" nor that all Pokémon are "Pikachu".Your entire premise on why Facecamping no longer exists is because an unintentional mechanic that was removed.
I am still able to perform Facecamping on survivors. I cannot block the hook prompt now when I do however.
Doesn't change the fact I can still camp in front of a survivors face.
Sorry that the name fits the action buddy.
And if the etymology of a word always fit its definition, we wouldn't need dictionaries. Fact is, that's not face camping.
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Except that's not what pallet looping is, again. Just because some people call any console "Nintendo" or any Pokémon "Pikachu" doesn't mean all consoles are "Nintendo" nor that all Pokémon are "Pikachu".
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Because It happens almost all the time I keep running into a Survivor + killer friends and I'm not talking about two people only there are dozens of people doing it .. using Perks like Bond .. and empathy to locate others .. and having his friend kill all the other survivors and they keep farming points after that .. now esp with Double XP 90 % of the games I end up with a bunch of cheaters .. it's infuriating and Breaking the game
Before 2.0 update I ran into a glitcher and he kept trolling me out of map I'd upload a video of it later
People with Speedhacks ... almost that seems like an infinite Dead Hard / Sprint Burst ..
And I do Realize Devs will have to go through a lot to fix and adjust many perks if they were to stop cheaters ... so you don't have to do that .
Just include some in-Game Mechanic where I could Block anyone whom I never wanna match up with... is it that Hard !! 😔
Teaming up with the Killer isn't cheating. It's just being an #########. As for the speedhack, that was fixed with the latest patch. As for blocking people, they tried that in another game and the good players were primarily the target of those bans; it really is "that hard", because it's easily abused by salty players.
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@Jack11803 said:
@Orion said:
@Mc_Harty said:
@Orion said:
Except "pallet looping" was not defined as "pallet vacuum". "Face camping" was defined as "standing in such a way that the unhook prompt is unavailable for the Survivors". It was an exploit that was fixed by the "swivel hook" update.We can argue the community definition all we want but here's the reality of it;
- Facecamping blocked the unhooked prompt.
- Developers added options for the survivors for a multi unhook swivel
- Facecamping now no longer blocks the unhook prompt.
- Its is still possible to Facecamp, its not possible to Facecamp to block the unhook prompt.
I am still able to stand 1 meter away from a survivor and perform the Facecamping action.
It's not face camping if it doesn't block the unhook prompt. That's just "camping". Deal with it.
Only problem is face camping is still VERY possible.
With ONE Killer, and it requires an exploit that, according to you, takes some time to perform.
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Any "alternative" to Self Care would have to be as powerful as Self Care or even more so, and any perk that's as powerful or more powerful than Self Care would just get absorbed into the Survivor meta of using any and all safety net perks.
Fact is, Self Care needs to be nerfed into oblivion if the game is ever going to be balanced.
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@Mc_Harty said:
@Orion said:
Except "pallet looping" was not defined as "pallet vacuum". "Face camping" was defined as "standing in such a way that the unhook prompt is unavailable for the Survivors". It was an exploit that was fixed by the "swivel hook" update.We can argue the community definition all we want but here's the reality of it;
- Facecamping blocked the unhooked prompt.
- Developers added options for the survivors for a multi unhook swivel
- Facecamping now no longer blocks the unhook prompt.
- Its is still possible to Facecamp, its not possible to Facecamp to block the unhook prompt.
I am still able to stand 1 meter away from a survivor and perform the Facecamping action.
It's not face camping if it doesn't block the unhook prompt. That's just "camping". Deal with it.
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@Mc_Harty said:
Orion said:That's the definition of facecamping - blocking the unhook prompt. If it's no longer possible, then it no longer exists.
Pallet looping no longer exists because the pallet vacuum is gone.
That's basically your argument. Last time I checked it was still possible to camp right in front of someones face regardless of whether or not you can blocked the hook prompt.
Except "pallet looping" was not defined as "pallet vacuum". "Face camping" was defined as "standing in such a way that the unhook prompt is unavailable for the Survivors". It was an exploit that was fixed by the "swivel hook" update.
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How do you know they're cheating, exactly?
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2v6 might be balanced. 2v8 sounds like a nightmare for the Killers.
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@Mc_Harty said:
@Orion said:
Can any Killer block the unhook prompt? No, not since the "swivel hook" update. Therefore, facecamping does not exist. Survivor-speak is not English; you'd do well to learn the proper terminology.That just means that you cannot Facecamp to block the hook prompt, not that it no longer exists.
That's the definition of facecamping - blocking the unhook prompt. If it's no longer possible, then it no longer exists.
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Verify the integrity of the files
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@powerbats said:
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Also, just FYI, face camping has not existed for quite some time now.
Wait what do you play in that face camping hasn't existed for quite some time now because Billy would like a word with you.
Can any Killer block the unhook prompt? No, not since the "swivel hook" update. Therefore, facecamping does not exist. Survivor-speak is not English; you'd do well to learn the proper terminology.
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@Jack11803 said:
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@thesuicidefoxDont twist it, I fully meant it should be possible sand not oppressively difficult to perform perkless against a fully decked killer
What's your reasoning for that statement? Because as far as I can tell, you want Killer perks to be so weak that a Survivor can essentially ignore them.
Same reasoning your o so precious face camping is ok, cuz daddy devs said so. All perks should be the same strength, but shouldn’t trump entire mechanics, like bbq on billy.
Where did the devs say that a perkless Survivor should be easily able to counter any and all Killer perks?
Devstream in the 80’s, they stated both sides should be viable without perks at ALL times.
"Viable" can mean many things. Your interpretation is way out of line, IMO.
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@Jack11803 said:
@Orion said:
@Jack11803 said:
@thesuicidefoxDont twist it, I fully meant it should be possible sand not oppressively difficult to perform perkless against a fully decked killer
What's your reasoning for that statement? Because as far as I can tell, you want Killer perks to be so weak that a Survivor can essentially ignore them.
Same reasoning your o so precious face camping is ok, cuz daddy devs said so. All perks should be the same strength, but shouldn’t trump entire mechanics, like bbq on billy.
Where did the devs say that a perkless Survivor should be easily able to counter any and all Killer perks? Also, just FYI, face camping has not existed for quite some time now.
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@Jack11803 said:
@thesuicidefoxDont twist it, I fully meant it should be possible sand not oppressively difficult to perform perkless against a fully decked killer
What's your reasoning for that statement? Because as far as I can tell, you want Killer perks to be so weak that a Survivor can essentially ignore them.
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@Jack11803 said:
It’s literally survivors trump to dodging. Only reason killers are host is because it’s simple, and cheap, don’t let it get to your head.Except Survivors still get dodged when they do this. Hell, probably even more so.
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@Speshul_Kitten said:
To everybody complaining and still making excuses, come back later and I will post one at rank 1 tonight, then tell me your excuses for it.Like MegaWaffle said, you're assuming everyone finds the same play style to be fun.
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@Tzeentchling9 said:
Killer main, but I've played Survivor much more recently. Especially before the removal of the pallet vacuum.But I get exactly why Hillbilly is getting lots of play and I don't fault any killer players for it. It just so boring to keep playing the same match over and over.
Well, that explains why you're a reasonable person. Oh well. My search for hope continues...
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Are you a Survivor main? I'm only asking because you've gotta be the first guy who complains about facing the same Killer over and over again and understands the problem is that the others are underpowered. If you were also a Survivor main, that'd mean there's still hope.
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@Master said:
@TheXenoborg said:
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@TheXenoborg said:
Killers are bringing moris while survivors are bringing BNPs, while both put the Party Streamer offering. It doesn't make sense. Something about these events encourages the community to be overtly toxic. I don't know what causes this bEhaviour.So killers bring moris and put party offering at the same time, explain that pls
Haha! Well you know...4 Streamers by survivors, 1 secret mori offering. You get the point. But ok that was funny :P
So did I understand that correctly that if the killer brings a mori to a 4 man streamer offering party from teh survivors, then this is considered toxic?
Quite interesting :P
Of course it is! What, are you going to claim the Killer didn't know the Survivors' offerings beforehand? Everyone knows that Killers check EVERY Survivor profile for their bio, written in real-time.
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SWF groups in particular should have their loadouts locked the moment they start searching for a lobby. As for the rest of the Survivors, they should be locked at 30 seconds, to give the Killer time to adjust their own loadout.
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@Visionmaker said:
Orion said:@Visionmaker said:
Orion said:
A few QoL/Balance changes I'd like to see, coming from someone who only used to play Survivor with a group:
- Survivors in a SWF group do not rank up. They can only rank down.
Survivors in a SWF group receive penalties to movement and action speed proportionate to the number of Survivors in the group.
Do you really want this? It'll only make things harder for lower ranked killers.
Punishing everyone for playing with friends is a good way to lose players.
How will it make things harder for lower ranked Killers? SWF groups already purposefully derank to troll them.
So? Then you're helping them depip to troll new Rank 20s permanently.
On top of that, you'd slowly bring high ranking SWFs down to ranks where they shouldn't be. This goes against the purpose of the Ranking system, and the same issue will happen to the OP without them even knowing.
The point is to stop boosting, but point taken. Anyway, what do you think of the rest?
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@Visionmaker said:
Orion said:A few QoL/Balance changes I'd like to see, coming from someone who only used to play Survivor with a group:
- Survivors in a SWF group do not rank up. They can only rank down.
Survivors in a SWF group receive penalties to movement and action speed proportionate to the number of Survivors in the group.
Do you really want this? It'll only make things harder for lower ranked killers.
Punishing everyone for playing with friends is a good way to lose players.
How will it make things harder for lower ranked Killers? SWF groups already purposefully derank to troll them.
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Survivors want the Nurse nerfed because, like SovereignKing and RSB said, she's the only Killer who can actually compete with Survivors. That makes her a threat, and anything that's a threat to Survivors makes them cry for nerfs.
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@Jack11803 said:
DC ban should be dished out at 5%, and reset your record every month.I say 4 disconnects per month, and if you exceed that, you can't play for the rest of the month. However, this assumes that the Killer has a "Concede" option. I'll explain:
- You're not entitled to DC from a game just because it's going poorly. That ruins everyone else's fun. If you're playing Survivor, you have the option to ######### by letting the Killer hook you.
- If your Internet is so bad that you disconnect often, then you clearly shouldn't be playing online anyway. You're ruining everyone else's game, period.
- If you have stuff to do IRL, then you shouldn't be playing anyway. However, 4 DCs allow for one emergency per week, which I'd say is a fair assumption.
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@Jack11803 said:
@Orion said:
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@Orion said:
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@Orion said:
I think Exhaustion from perks that increase movement speed should slow Survivors by 10% for the same amount of time that they were sped up. This will incentivize them to use Exhaustion perks the way they should be used - to gain distance, break line of sight, and escape - and not to continue looping.Again, itd ruin all spots for balanced landing, where the only one that breaks sight is the game. Definitly a bad idea
An exception could be made for specific perks, but I think the basic idea has merit.
How about if sprint burst is the problem, nerf freakin sprint burst. If looping is a problem, nerf looping; damn!
If you don't think the idea has merit, just say so. No need to get all pissy.
Because when I do say no, they ask why.
It's almost like saying "No" without any reasoning to back it up makes you sound petty and childish or something...
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@TheTimeMachine said:
@Orion I appreciate your time to comment.
But that kind of relentless playstyle; Does it ever get “boring”- What I mean is: Do you ever feel you could get more out of your Dead By Daylight experience? Or do you feel pretty fulfilled?Any game can get boring, eventually. When that happens, I just play something else. IMO, if a game frustrates you or bores you more often than it amuses you, that's when you need to stop playing it.
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@TheTimeMachine said:
@Orion I suppose this goes back to how do players find their enjoyment. The “toxic” players are perhaps just part of any game?
Maybe I’m one of them.I find my enjoyment in a game well played.
As a Killer, that means trying to kill the Survivors, assuming they put up a fight without being toxic #########. I can enjoy a game where I get zero kills if the Survivors completely outplayed me without being toxic. Back when Survivors weren't so toxic, I let many live because they played so well I thought they deserved to live. Nowadays, though, my goal is to kill as many of them as possible as efficiently as possible.
As a Survivor, that means trying to escape and evade the Killer, assuming the Killer also put up a fight. -
A few QoL/Balance changes I'd like to see, coming from someone who only used to play Survivor with a group:
- Survivors in a SWF group do not rank up. They can only rank down.
- Survivors in a SWF group will only face a Killer whose rank is higher than the highest ranked Survivor in the group, no matter the wait time. Obviously, if the highest ranked Survivor is rank 1, then they'll only face rank 1 Killers; again, no matter the wait time.
- Survivors in a SWF group receive penalties to movement and action speed proportionate to the number of Survivors in the group.
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Like Wolf74 said, if you believe wiggling to be useless, then stop doing it. Killers everywhere will thank you for it.
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@TheTimeMachine said:
Orion said:2/4 perks being common is boring? How come you didn't get bored of the Survivor meta?
As a Killer, you gain the ability to “kill” your opponent. When I was up against tough survivors; Were certain perks predictable? Sure.
But as “prey”, these Killers feel too predictable though. I always thought it was the Killer’s responsibility to “put on a show”. No re-runs.You thought wrong. Killers are there to play the game. They're not there for the Survivors' amusement.
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I like the concept, but it might need some adjustments to be balanced.
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2/4 perks being common is boring? How come you didn't get bored of the Survivor meta?
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@TheTimeMachine said:
@Orion It can seem close to “nothing being done” though... I mean, I could disconnect 50 straight matches and have no repercussions.Which, again, is an argument for changing the percentages.
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Because the Survivor meta has always been to throw in as many safety net perks as possible. Free escapes, ways to prolong chases, and so on.
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@TheTimeMachine said:
Orion said:You're not supposed to report them. If they disconnect too many times, they get banned automatically.
But do you realize that veteran players (such as myself) fear no penalties because we have probably around 1000 matches stacked up? The DC ban is based on a percentage off your total matches I think.
Of course, I’m a dedicated player so you won’t see me trolling away my honor.I am aware. That's an argument for changing the percentages; not an argument that nothing is being done to punish people who DC a lot.
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The Survivor-speak term "Tunneling", known as "Playing smart/effectively" in English, is when you take out the weakest link first to increase your chances of success. It's no different from, say, going after the guy with 10% HP in an FPS instead of going for the guy at 100% with body armor.
For some reason, Survivors believe that a Killer is only skilled if he purposefully plays poorly/casually. Efficient plays are not encouraged unless they're on the Survivor side.Rule of thumb: if a Survivor tells you not to play in a certain way that you have ascertained as being effective (in the sense that it gets you more kills), it's the right thing to do.
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You're not supposed to report them. If they disconnect too many times, they get banned automatically.
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@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Gibberish said:
@TydeTyme said:
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@CallMeRusty420 said:
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And TydeTyme called this game the "new Dead by Daylight" lmaoI KNOW! Like seriously? Tyde must be losing it or something lol
TydeTyme also thinks Shape is on the same tier level as Nurse, so its not like he had it in the first place.
Oh my I do? Tell me how you come to this conclusion because I don't remember saying that. Ever. Man in one thread I've seen some children place words in my mouth left and right. Wonder if I'll get a reply
Mate. In your own tier list video you list the Top Tier being Nurse/Billy/Shape.
Thats putting Shape on the same tier level as Nurse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4NWIcSj8oITFW you forget your own beliefs and opinions
Almost like the videos don't matter and everything is just for views.
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@EpicFailTryHard said:
Orion said:@F_Demiside said:
@Orion said:
@EpicFailTryHard said:
the score for me was 25,000 i believe. duh.
Was that your intention? I'm still in the dark about what you actually intended to prove or do. Again, I don't get paid enough to read minds.
I don't think people would pay you to ready your own mind LOL. And if they did they wouldn't have to pay much, that's a real light read. I understand completely what he is trying to say, you don't have to try hard and 4k every round and play like a dick bag to pip or "win" as a killer. Did people even attempt to actually read the original post or see that it was likely a survivor main who posted and just immediately start shitting on it.
This is a perfect example of why I don't usually bother talking with Survivors. I read the OP and asked for clarification on what his intention was. In return, I get insulted. Killers, on the other hand, can usually have a conversation.
ok, i'm sorry i got defensive but i doubt diplomacy was your intent when addressing me.You doubt wrong. Regardless, your conclusion is flawed. This is one game at low rank. Look how marth and the rest did their experiment: 100 games at high ranks. Even then I'd say they should have gone for 10 times or even 100 times more games, but I understand it's not exactly fun to play a game the same way 10000 times.
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@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@thesuicidefoxLOL rebuttal I don't need to. You can counter all that, except for Doc (which I said in my post). Again read what I wrote because you are just assuming my argument otherwise.
I'm not "assuming" jack. You made invalid points for three elements of Killer detection and refused to acknowledge the rest. You claim you don't "need" to rebuke them because you have no real argument is my guess.
NC + M&A then don't heal unless you KNOW where the killer is. Also Spine Chill. You can stealth killers I do it all the time dude. It's knowing how the killer sees things, line of sight, being able to predict what perks they have. You might not always pull off the stealth but I can assure you it's all beatable.
Spine Chill tellls you when the Killer is looking in your direction. If you're healing and you see it go off, and the Killer has NC, that doesn't tell you to hide. It tells you you've just been found. The best you can do now is get a head start.
Oh and if you are too close for BBQ, the killer has NO IDEA where you are. A circle with a 40m radius is huge, I could be anywhere. If you get within range and he can't see you, then you are completely free to go where you want. I get inside BBQ range then leave. Easy.
You're SERIOUSLY underestimating the size of a 40m radius lmao.
I'm rank 1 survivor, and against good killers with BBQ if you play smart you can stealth them.
Really guys, it's not that hard to avoid.
So you're saying because you, one singular man, can be stealthy, that makes it not only feasible, but viable and easily done.
Anecdotal evidence is a logical fallacy, just so you know.
If he can do it, that proves it can be done. This isn't a generalization of a group of people based on one's own interactions with them. This is a feat, and if one person can perform a feat, then it proves more people can do it. Either that, or you're saying he's the greatest stealth Survivor in the world, past, present, and future, and thus only he can do it.
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You're the second person to think I'm disagreeing with them out of some personal vendetta. Here's the cold, hard truth: I don't read the usernames of people who comment unless they complain that I'm targeting them. So no, I didn't "bash your ideas because of things you've said in other threads".
Fact is, I have no idea who you are outside this thread. I don't know what you've said or where you've said it, because I simply do not care. I judge ideas on their own merit, which is apparently something you don't do.I do read what people write, but I also have ADD. I likely skipped over the link because it didn't seem related to the thread at hand and simply forgot about it.