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NOED can be permanently and irreversibly shut down before it's activated. DS cannot. They're not on the same level.
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@Tsulan said:
@thesuicidefox said:
https://youtu.be/DsRO2_gbq7k?t=6m53s"Get rid of Decisive, Insidious, and NOED and rank would be a lot more skill based."
He is 100% right. DS and NOED are crutch perks for bad players. Killers defend NOED until they are blue in the face but at the end of the day it's there as a comeback mechanic for when you fail, making it a crutch (just like DS). If you need this perk to get kills, accept that you aren't as good a killer as you might think. And if you complain about DS but use NOED you are nothing but a hypocrite.
I agree with him on Insidious only because it makes people play like trolls, not necessarily because it's a crutch. With a few tweaks I think it could be salvaged.
BTW I got to rank 1 with Freddy without using NOED, just incase someone wants to tell me "git gud". Also I'm sure some killer main will say something like "Tru is a bad killer" as a way to dismiss his statements, when the truth is they just can't stand when one of their own actually tells it how it is.
Come at me.
Suddely everyone got to rank 1 as Freddy. Is this a new trend i started?
The game isn´t over until you see the point screen.
Until then everything goes. If the killer wastes a perk slot to have a chance to one hit survivors after the gates have been powered, then thats a strategy. Survivors can easily avoid NOED, if they can stop their gen rush and do some totems.
Survivors asked for a secondary objective, now they ignore it and go mad if the killer gets a comeback.Insidious will be nerfed hard, once every survivor gets Kindred.
Not gonna start about DS. Or maybe a little bit. Survivors love to dc if they get downed and fail their DS skill check. 1 DS isn´t a problem. 4 DS are a problem. If they change DS to only be usable by 1 survivor, then they can keep it the way it is now. But give survivors a warning that more than 1 has DS equipped. So they can change the loadout.
No warning. That's what the pre-game chat is for.
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Because an issue doesn't get solved in 12 hours or any other arbitrary timeline you draw up. It'll be fixed when it's fixed.
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No.
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@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:
@Orion said:
@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:
@Master said:
@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:
@Master said:
TheLegendDyl4n1 said:@Master said:
The stun already is guaranteed, you only need to time it correctly.
But I guess you want to go the super easy way
its not a guaranteed if the killer picks up the survivor with the survivor vaccum that sucks the survivor to him by a foot or two if there was no vaccum where the killer could suck the survivor to him by a foot or two he would be forced into picking up a dropped survivor in the middle of a palete where they are and it would be easier but now all he has to do is be more than halfway put of the palete and move imediatley out and sometimes it doesnt even register but gives the bloodpoints for stun after he is moving
There is no grab vacuum anymore. That might have been an excuse for before, but now it's completely your fault if you mess up the pallet timing
thier still is a grab vacuum not as much but just enough to move out of the pallet as i throw it down and he is safe and then i cant drop it as the animation ends because it never drops and gives me points for the stun but not the actual stun
There is no vacuum anymore, ######### are you talking about?
the multiple videos of proof i have on my xbox account of killers being able to pick up survivors from a good foot away
So within arm's reach? You know that Killers have arms, right?
how should a killer be able to pick up a 120- 150 pound survivor unless they are right over them thier is no arms reach they should fix it or make the animation longer if you want to suck the survivor closer to you by a foot like it happens in the game. it looks unrealistic.
Because the Killer is supernaturally-empowered by a god-like Entity. The lack of animation doesn't make it unrealistic; it just makes it look weird.
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@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:
@Master said:
@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:
@Master said:
TheLegendDyl4n1 said:@Master said:
The stun already is guaranteed, you only need to time it correctly.
But I guess you want to go the super easy way
its not a guaranteed if the killer picks up the survivor with the survivor vaccum that sucks the survivor to him by a foot or two if there was no vaccum where the killer could suck the survivor to him by a foot or two he would be forced into picking up a dropped survivor in the middle of a palete where they are and it would be easier but now all he has to do is be more than halfway put of the palete and move imediatley out and sometimes it doesnt even register but gives the bloodpoints for stun after he is moving
There is no grab vacuum anymore. That might have been an excuse for before, but now it's completely your fault if you mess up the pallet timing
thier still is a grab vacuum not as much but just enough to move out of the pallet as i throw it down and he is safe and then i cant drop it as the animation ends because it never drops and gives me points for the stun but not the actual stun
There is no vacuum anymore, ######### are you talking about?
the multiple videos of proof i have on my xbox account of killers being able to pick up survivors from a good foot away
So within arm's reach? You know that Killers have arms, right?
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It's a good way to get solo Survivors to have information similar to SWF, but the devs need to be careful regarding these changes.
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In DbD news, use of the Nightmare spiked after a QoL change made him immune to Decisive Strike.
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Previous decisions were likely forced on them by their publisher. Publishers ruin games, this is a demonstrable fact. Since buying the rights to their game back from the publisher, they've made changes in the right direction.
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@Master said:
@Milo said:
Bring up the solo to SWF ("buff" to survivors) -> Devs can buff killers more easily
My point is that they bring up solo to SWF and ADDITIONALLY buff survivors or nerf killers resp. easier pallets, worse bloodlust etc etc.
Devs CAN buff killers more easily maybe but they DONT DO IT
Dude, the only way to bring solo up to SWF is to buff Survivors.
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@Envees said:
@Orion said:
@Outland said:
@WhateverIGuess said:
Maybe.... because most people do it just to troll? Or when they have WGLF. Honestly, if you wanna play like this, it's your choice, but then don't be surprised if people do it to you. Or if non-sweaty killers camp you, which has 0.01% chance of happening because it's summer and every killer is sweaty.
I 100% support people doing it right back. That is my point here, my personal freedoms in how I play are now being removed.
I'm supposed to have the CHOICE to play for the team or for myself. Whether is scummy or not is 100% another topic. I think that the right to play greedy is an option that some people want to play. And as free thinking people we should be able to.
Having the devs police behaviour is ridiculous, where do we draw the line?
All you lemmings think that its ok if they remove freedoms just so long as you see it as justified. But what happens when they decide to police some action you love to do. Maybe down the road they decide that looping is goofy so instead of changing the game so that looping is not possible, they just say for every loop past the second one we remove 150 BPs.
There that should fix looping. Or at least make it so that it isn't profitable.
I know they would never do that, but this is exactly the thing I'm talking about they are removing a way of playing because it is unpopular. By punishing the points awarded.
Stop thinking about the specific thing being punished here, and look past it to the core message being sent.
We the DEVS are going to mold you into playing the way we think you should. This isn't cool, not in the current world, where we are supposed to be free thinking people.
My personal freedom not to be farmed is being violated by how you play.
Your personal freedom to punch ends where my nose begins.Then do not get in the ring with a boxer. It was your choice, remember.
The proper analogy would be "don't have the misfortune of running into someone who's trying desperately to prove his manliness by attacking people who can't fight back", because I don't choose to be in a game with someone like OP.
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@TheHourMan said:
Uhhh, the number of survivors plus one is the number of gens thay spawn in the map. I have had the hatch spawn when there were two gens completed (3 left) and one surv died. Multiple times actually. Consistantly.The hatch has always spawned for me after at least two gens have been completed and at least one survivor is no longer in play.
The hatch mechanics have been known for a very long time, almost since the release of the game. Unless there's a bug, what DocOctober said is how it's supposed to work.
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@Fjielsonson said:
@Orion said:
@DarkDome91 said:
@Orion I am complaining about it, not advertising! Everyone who wants hacks for DBD will try it on Google and ta-daa first result bingo.
This is just the standard bullshit talk you do there aka "Do not talk about it...maybe noone will notice" YES and even the devs won´t do!
This is why these hacks needs to be published in a very high range to get them to do smth against!Posting the video is advertising it, no matter how you justify it to yourself. Furthermore, advertising hacks will only result in more hackers; not quicker fixes, because programming does not work that way. Don't let reality stop you from feeling self-righteous about helping to ruin the game, though.
Once again, noone cares.
The thing is to get the priority of banning hackers over the "let us make much more skins to get money"-thing or other things
Yes, I know you self-righteous types don't care about actually helping. You just want to feel good about ruining things for everyone else.
Yes, let's get the design team working on an automated ban system that can identify players by DNA, since that's the only way you'll stop someone from purchasing a new copy of DbD to play.
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@DarkDome91 said:
@Orion I am complaining about it, not advertising! Everyone who wants hacks for DBD will try it on Google and ta-daa first result bingo.
This is just the standard bullshit talk you do there aka "Do not talk about it...maybe noone will notice" YES and even the devs won´t do!
This is why these hacks needs to be published in a very high range to get them to do smth against!Posting the video is advertising it, no matter how you justify it to yourself. Furthermore, advertising hacks will only result in more hackers; not quicker fixes, because programming does not work that way. Don't let reality stop you from feeling self-righteous about helping to ruin the game, though.
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The reason it was deleted is because you are advertising a hack by posting that video, which is against the rules of the forum. And no, the fact that that person created the video does not make it OK for you to post it.
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Since Survivors say NOED reward bad gameplay, the hatch should become a perk.
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The only fix camping needs is for Survivors to stop rewarding it. You are not entitled to a free save.
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@Hillbilly420 said:
@Orion said:
Hex: Ruin
Have it affect all four Survivors starting from tier 1 and increase the regression from Good Skill Checks with each tier. Tier 1 would be 5%, 2 would be 7,5%, and 3 would be 10%.
The problem with that is that good Survivors can still hit the Great skill check even when Ruin is active. I've fought people like that.
The bigger problem are bad totem spawns/Survivors spawning next to totems and gens get done too quickly even with Ruin.
The bigger problem is that the benefits of these perks are not worth it, compared to the drawbacks. Hex perks should be overwhelmingly powerful, forcing Survivors to actively hunt them down as a means of survival. Instead, they're mostly ignored.
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@SenzuDuck said:
@Orion said:
@SenzuDuck said:
and this ladies and gentlemen is why we let the dev team work on balance. LOL
We can suggest cool things and they might take it on board but self repairing noed? jesus.Do you have any specific complaints? If so, say them.
"self repairing noed"
And your reasoning is...?
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@The_Seadog said:
But, doesn't it only make the hooks sabotaged for all of about 3 minutes?Games often last for 5, maybe 6.
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@TheHourMan said:
I guess I will just say it. The hatch spawns once two gens have been completed and at least one survivor is no longer in play.This is patently and demonstrably false.
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@Nickenzie said:
There's a simple math formula that you can calculate to see if the hatch has already spawned in, very easy for the most part.HATCH MATH FORMULA:
Number of survivors remaining in the trial + 1=
How many generators you need to complete to spawn the hatch in the trial.If your the solo survivor, then you'll need to complete at least two generators to spawn the hatch.
1 survivor remaining + 1= Need to complete 2 generators to spawn the hatch.
I know how it works. Tell me how this invalidates what I said.
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@ShrimpTwiggs said:
"The devs are taking away our freedom to play how we want!" Yet you're defending sandbagging, which puts the victim in a situation where they have no control at all. And stop with that 'solo play' defense. There's a difference between playing solo, and deliberately getting others killed. All because the devs don't want to reward terrible unhooks, doesn't mean you can't do them anyway. You just won't be rewarded for it.It's the same with all the "muh freedom" crowd. They just want the "freedom" to be ######### while profiting from it and without reprimand.
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@Runiver said:
Would have prefered him to have a stronger base kit and a weaker ultra-rare add-ons, rather than the current state, honestly.That's how all Killers need to be. Add-ons should provide relatively minor buffs; Killers should be powerful by default.
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@SenzuDuck said:
and this ladies and gentlemen is why we let the dev team work on balance. LOL
We can suggest cool things and they might take it on board but self repairing noed? jesus.Do you have any specific complaints? If so, say them.
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@Chrona said:
I would like to point out that the survivor still has to have completed at least 2 generators before the hatch can even appear/open. 2/5 is not "completely [BAD WORD] up the match." Honestly, hatch standoffs are kind of pointless.Wrong. The entire Survivor side has to complete at least 2 generators before the hatch can open for the last one alive. The Survivor who managed to live that long just had to be lucky.
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@thesuicidefox said:
I love how killer mains suggest solutions to the hatch standoff that clearly 100% benefits them and only them because they so desperately want a 4k.How about when the hatch spawns all survivors just die instantly? Seems fair right?
I love how every Survivor main's suggest solutions to the hatch standoff that clearly 100% benefits them and only them even more than it already does because they so desperately want to escape.
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As if Survivors ever listen to reason. We warn them time and time again that some of the things they request will inevitably lead to a bad outcome, but they disregard what we say. When they inevitably do lead to a bad outcome, they cry. When it's fixed, they forget all about it.
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@Outland said:
@Orion said:
@Outland said:
Guys, for the last time, STOP LOOKING AT THE EXAMPLE I USED... its not the f'n point. The point here is the devs are removing the freedom to play how you want and point up. We were promised a game where we can play as team based as we want or as out for myself as I want.Somewhere along the line survivors complained moral police force into the game.
You were never guaranteed to get points for any and all manner of play. That's a sandbox game. If you want a sandbox game, go play one.
Yeah you were, you do the action you get points, its currently coded that way, and they are now changing it to be otherwise.
No, you weren't. Show me where the game was advertised as such. This is a mechanic that's being changed because the devs don't like how people are abusing it. By your logic, any and all changes to a game are "infringing your freedom".
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@TheHourMan said:
Then other perks should be made more viable so that people have more diverse loadoutsWhat if the problem isn't other perks, but the fact that the one perk is so ridiculously OP that for another perk to compete with it, it'd have to be absurdly broken?
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@pauloandrade22 said:
@Orion said:
@TheHourMan said:
No perk should be assumed to be had by all survivors when taking balance into account.What if it's a perk that can be demonstrated to be used by over 80% of Survivors?
Totally not self care riiighhhhttt?
We can neither confirm nor deny that Self Care is used by over 80% of the Survivors.
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@TheHourMan said:
No perk should be assumed to be had by all survivors when taking balance into account.What if it's a perk that can be demonstrated to be used by over 80% of Survivors?
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@Outland said:
Guys, for the last time, STOP LOOKING AT THE EXAMPLE I USED... its not the f'n point. The point here is the devs are removing the freedom to play how you want and point up. We were promised a game where we can play as team based as we want or as out for myself as I want.Somewhere along the line survivors complained moral police force into the game.
You were never guaranteed to get points for any and all manner of play. That's a sandbox game. If you want a sandbox game, go play one.
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@Outland said:
@Orion said:
@Outland said:
Anyways look at this situation as the devs removing your freedom to play the game how you want. That is the main topic here, and I'm beginning to think I should have just stated that from the beginning, but what can I do now?They're not removing your freedom to do anything. You can still grief other players. You just won't be rewarded for it.
By taking away the points for an action, it makes it so that the action isn't viable/profitable. Therefore they are modifying game play. And I've never been one for much censoring of anything in my life, so I find taking away my points for the actions of a third party (the Killer) as unacceptable.
It's not their job to make every action profitable. You're the one modifying your gameplay because you want to get easy points. You can still be a scumbag if you want, or you can make (relatively) safe saves and get those juicy points. It's entirely up to you.
Just keep in mind that actions have consequences. You're free to do as you wish, but you're not free from the consequences. You "muh freedom" crowd often forget that all actions have consequences, and your freedom to act does not protect you from them.
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@Outland said:
Anyways look at this situation as the devs removing your freedom to play the game how you want. That is the main topic here, and I'm beginning to think I should have just stated that from the beginning, but what can I do now?They're not removing your freedom to do anything. You can still grief other players. You just won't be rewarded for it.
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And then they do give an actual date, a bug is discovered by their QA, the patch has to be pushed back, and everyone and their mother starts planning an armed assault on BHVR's headquarters.
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@Touken said:
So what do we do when the killer just ignores the gen rush, i mean that always happens to meWhen I say "protracted period of time", I mean over months, maybe even years worth of games. It only took a few months of Survivors rewarding camping for it to become a problem, but that was years ago. Now it pays off 9 times out of 10, and has done so for almost two years.
This is your mess, you have to clean it up... but I know you won't, because Survivors are still under the delusion that they're the power role.
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@Outland said:
@WhateverIGuess said:
Maybe.... because most people do it just to troll? Or when they have WGLF. Honestly, if you wanna play like this, it's your choice, but then don't be surprised if people do it to you. Or if non-sweaty killers camp you, which has 0.01% chance of happening because it's summer and every killer is sweaty.I 100% support people doing it right back. That is my point here, my personal freedoms in how I play are now being removed.
I'm supposed to have the CHOICE to play for the team or for myself. Whether is scummy or not is 100% another topic. I think that the right to play greedy is an option that some people want to play. And as free thinking people we should be able to.
Having the devs police behaviour is ridiculous, where do we draw the line?
All you lemmings think that its ok if they remove freedoms just so long as you see it as justified. But what happens when they decide to police some action you love to do. Maybe down the road they decide that looping is goofy so instead of changing the game so that looping is not possible, they just say for every loop past the second one we remove 150 BPs.
There that should fix looping. Or at least make it so that it isn't profitable.
I know they would never do that, but this is exactly the thing I'm talking about they are removing a way of playing because it is unpopular. By punishing the points awarded.
Stop thinking about the specific thing being punished here, and look past it to the core message being sent.
We the DEVS are going to mold you into playing the way we think you should. This isn't cool, not in the current world, where we are supposed to be free thinking people.
My personal freedom not to be farmed is being violated by how you play.
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@Nickenzie said:
Devour Hope: I agree with the reduced tokens as both a survivor/killer main. However I don't like the alternative idea, sorry!I, too, believe the alternate idea is worse than the first one.
@Nickenzie said:
Huntress Lullaby: I like your idea, however I think Huntress Lullaby should just be a regular perk IMO.True, but this is assuming every perk stays as a Hex perk.
@Nickenzie said:
NOED: Hmm, I have mixed feelings on this... Maybe this should be tested on the PTB.Naturally. All these changes should be tested on the PTB.
@Nickenzie said:
Ruin: I like your idea, it's basically better at tiers I, II, and III. However I wanna hear your opinion on maybe a better solution to the Ruin perk that I came up with...Ruin:
A Hex that affects the survivors' skills at repairing generators. All survivors are affected by Ruin which causes a 30/40/50% decrease in repair speed. Additionally while Ruin is active, all great success zones will be replaced by good success zones.
The Hex effects persist as long as the related Hex Totem is standing.Usually games are 5 minutes long, Ruin will now increase this to around 7:30 minutes. This will be a nerf maybe but when the developers rework generators, then they will likely rework Ruin next.
As it is now, Ruin synergizes well with perks that increase the number of skill checks. Your idea, while good, would remove that synergy.
@Nickenzie said:
Third Seal: I was thinking that the blindness status effect should be buffed in general. Maybe blindness removes the survivors' ability to hear the killer's terror radius?Or Blindness actually makes the screen harder to see.
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@Chi said:
That is way too overpowered and not in the slightest bit balanced.The balance comes from the fact that Survivors can permanently and irreversibly shut down the perks. If you have specific complaints, then make them.
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Sure there is - fix generators. If all Survivors would stop feeding campers for a protracted period of time, camping would stop. I only say this because I know it'll never happen, since Survivors, despite not being the power role in this asymmetrical game, believe they're entitled to walk all over the Killer.
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@Touken said:
ok i get that but if the killer is supposed to always win a 1v1 then why do they camp when they can just go get another survivor in a 1v1Because they don't want to, for whatever reason. I'm not a mind reader. In theory, though, the Killer is supposed to be the dominant party in this game. That's what makes it an asymmetrical game.
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@PolarBear said:
@Orion said:
Hex: Devour Hope
Bring the token requirements down by 1, across the board. In other words, it takes one token for the Killer to get that speed boost, 2 tokens to get double damage on a hit, and 4 tokens to be able to kill Survivors.
Alternatively, tokens aren't lost when the totem is cleansed.If by "tokens aren't lost" you mean that you can still use the effects of devour hope but not gain more tokens. Then no. That would mean that when every match begins survivors almost have to find all the totems before 3 survivors are hooked. Getting permanent Exposed is already pretty powerful on myers just imagine it on other killers like nurse.
Yes, that's exactly what I mean. Keep in mind, though, it's only an alternative to what I believe to be a much better suggestion. Furthermore, that's the point of Devour Hope: you have to choose between saving others and buffing the Killer, or saving yourself and letting them die. It's written right into the perk's flavor text:
"If you do nothing, you have their blood on your hands. If you save them, her hunger grows."@PolarBear said:
@Orion said:
Hex: No One Escapes Death
Give tier 2 the double damage, and tier 3 automatically repairs a random broken totem to place itself upon.
Currently the only counter to NOED is cleansing all totems which gives Small game another use than a counter to trap killers. If a totem repaired itself it would make it a waste of time to cleanse any since it would just repair a totem and bind itself to that one.
I get it, but the problem is exactly that - NOED can be disabled before it even triggers. No other perk has that kind of weakness. My change would make it so Survivors would have to memorize where the dull totems were. That's all.
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Hatch spawns at N+1 generators, with N being the number of Survivors still in the trial, and opens when only one Survivor is left in the trial, regardless of how the others left it.
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In the beginning, there was Orion. Plus a bunch of other people who'd also bought the game.
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A piece of advice: kill them all and let the Entity sort it out.
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@Mesme said:
Toxicity? I haven't noticed but yeah nah a lot of it has to deal with the bs competitive mentality a lot of folks wanna feel better than others and a game like this I can't take seriously and I feel it makes no sense for it to be an esport but hey that's me. Also I'd like to add we have too much of an "US vs THEM" mentality which really adds to the toxicity but what can you do?"US vs THEM" is rooted in the game's history, and for good reason.
