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@Krazzik said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3032491#Comment_3032491
That would imply MMR worked reliably which was know it does not.
My bad, MMR is rigged and for some reason you have way more skill than your teamates. Whatever helps you sleep at night.
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@Krazzik said:
So Baby Meg gets hooked twice at 5 gens, then I get caught out, hooked and I'm dead? Yeah no thanks.
If you are playing with a baby meg, you are at the same MMR so you are a baby survivor too playing against a baby killer.
But yes, with this rework playing selfishly for whatever reason (blaming your teamates and calling them baby for exemple) won’t give you any value anymore. You will have to work as a team.
By the way, the next step for MMR is to be team based. So that "baby Meg" will impact your games soon.
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@tippy2k2 said:
"remove hook states per survivor, all hooks are shared between all survivors"
You said you wanted to remove tunneling, not give a better incentive for it. If there are three really good loopers and one weak looper, killers would hammer the hell out of the weak link until it's now a Death Hook then get a good looper. Sorry good looper, you got one chase and now you're dead cause I stacked against the weak player.
I don’t think so. In fact, I am positive that bad loopers won’t make it to high MMR with this rework :
- A bad looper won’t be able to hide all game, let others take the heat of the killer / be tunneled or camped at his place, and then leave through the exit gates or hatch. Because at key moments of the match, if he gets caught due to a lack of skill, he will actually die instead of being carried by his own selfishness.
- good loopers can actually carry now, instead of looping for a good amount of gen and then be facecamp with noed and die (and lose MMR). Facecamping with 1 hook 1 kill in endgame won’t exist anymore. Facecamping at all won’t exist.
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@Aven_Fallen said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3032167#Comment_3032167
If I show one game of me playing Nurse, people would start saying that I picked the one game where I won and ignored the 20 where I lost.
If I would put up a streak, people would say it is fake.
Really, not worth the trouble. Learn her yourself and you will see that she is not that hard to play. And this is from me who in general sucks at most games.
Just play 4-5 games it’s fine. You should be able to win them all at 4k right ?
I am curious to see what perks your survivors will use tho.
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@Aven_Fallen said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3032045#Comment_3032045
Nurse is hard to learn. But once you get used to her Blinks, she is not that hard to play.
People should stop pretending that only Superhumans with 150 IQ minimum can play Nurse somewhat well.
Still waiting for your winstreak proving she is not hard.
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@Gindaen said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3031615#Comment_3031615
He was doing this at high MMR and I think that's about all we need to know. There have been several streamers that have duplicated this too.
Lmao you are so naive thinking he was playing at high MMR. Watch him playing nurse against survivors with YELLOW perks OFF META (no BT, no DS, no DH).
@Gindaen said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3031648#Comment_3031648
Otz is definitely high MMR. I don't think anyone on these forums doubts that.
Definitely not on every killer.
@foxsansbox said:
The same people, rehashing the same tired arguments that have already been addressed.
At this point I'm genuinely relieved that BHVR doesn't balance around the loudest voices because those voices lack originality, or even critical thinking. They just screech into the void, far louder than Nurse has ever screeched.
Woah that’s beautifully said, nurse poetry 🤩
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The point was to nerf it not buff it so it’s not meta anymore.
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@MikaelaWantsYourBoon said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3029480#Comment_3029480
And again, i did not say you need pallets against Nurse. I gave you example. Example to that 1 v 1 is not proving anything.
You said "You escaped against Nurse 4 games yesterday." So you know how to counter her. And i am telling you, record your games against her when you have any. Prove your words. You are keep asking people for their win streaks and records, so i am asking yours. Mhmmmm, maybe you are not escaping against Nurse that much? Is that possible?
Then what did you mean by "all good loops gone" ? Explain to me how it can happen against a nurse.
Btw I know you are a bad nurse and afraid to do 1vs1 against me because you know I will loop you forever. It’s the whole point of this thread. You simply refuse to learn, it’s way easier to complain. Even when a nurse main is willing to spent time to teach you, you still won’t make any effort.
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@MikaelaWantsYourBoon said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3029463#Comment_3029463
I don't know what are you gonna prove with 1 v 1? Matches have many different factors. Map, your solo teammates, their perks, your perks, Nurse's add-ons and perks etc.
I mean you can loop killer for a minute (maybe longer) with playing ultra safe in 1 v 1 but you would never do this in public match. Because this will make your team lose, all good loops gone.
I need your records against Nurse. So i can learn how to play against her in normal games.
"all good loops gone"
You don’t really need pallets against a nurse, don’t you know that ? That’s your first lesson I guess.
Making the nurse waste time is all that matters (while your team genrush). So a 1vs1 is actually a good training. I trained my survivor mains friends many times already and they all improved against nurse.
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@MikaelaWantsYourBoon said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3029451#Comment_3029451
I never said she is easy and 4K. Don't come to me over things i didn't say.
I just wrote you because you said you escaped against 4 Nurses yesterday and get good to another guy. So i wanna get good against Nurse. Please record your survivor games against Nurse. And teach me how to escape against her. I need to learn.
As I said, let’s do a 1vs1 I will glady show you and teach you.
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@MikaelaWantsYourBoon said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3029427#Comment_3029427
No sir, you said you escaped against 4 Nurses yesterday. And i know you are facing with different killers. So i am just saying that whenever you have Nurse in your game record it. Prove it you are so skilled and escaping against her.
We need more stuffs than "Trust Me Bro". Maybe we can learn how to counter Nurse from you and we can win against her too. You will make great favor to forums.
What is a better proof than a 1vs1 and better way of teaching ? You guys keep saying she is easy and free 4k, unless you don’t know how to play her and…she is not that easy ?
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@MikaelaWantsYourBoon said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3027481#Comment_3027481
You show your escape streak against her to us because she has "counters". Show us how skilled you against her.
Nurse is not the only killer survivors will face at high MMR (so talking about escape streak vs a specific killer makes no sense) but let’s do a 1vs1. You (nurse) VS me (survivor).
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@Tsukah said:
Just make Iron Will have 80/85/90% noise reduction and get rid of the exhausted status effect
No, that’s still broken. 90% is insane, almost silent, it’s absurd. You cannot hear much at 75%, anything above this value is overkill.
The exhaustion is good too to prevent SB being too strong with IW.
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You guys keep focusing on the nerfs and not the buffs. I play mostly in soloQ (or duo), and imho survivor is going to be stronger now than before. In fact, I would not be surprised if killrates drop.
Before you needed selfcare to heal yourself after being hooked. Now you have 80s of endurance with OTR to find someone or boon a totem.
Or just use a medkit you know ? It’s a free heal without using any perk.
Spinechill was a hard counter to stealth killers. It has to go, so they can finally play how they are suppose to and surprise survivors. You will still be able to hear them coming by focusing on their breathing sound (it’s quite loud).
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@Aven_Fallen said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3028809#Comment_3028809
Ah, thank you for the Tips. I am brand-new to the game, I dont know that.
You can drop Pallets? Wow. Thank you!!!111
And yes, I know that you can track Survivors even if they only have 25% sound while injured. The Perk is gone, it is just dead.
You are welcome. I figured you were brand new, usually veteran players can play off meta builds and win. They are not carried by 100% sound surpression or multiple 2nd chances. They have solid basic skills :
- not being found early game
- doing generators fast while avoid being 3gen
- looping with knowledge of all the killers, including antiloop, not just m1s
- game sense : when to heal, rescue, repair, open the gate, ect…
For them, IW is just a plus and will still be effective with 75%. Otz plays a lot of off meta builds, I am sure you can learn a lot from him.
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@Aven_Fallen said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3028790#Comment_3028790
Everything below 100% is useless. Except if you play against a Killer with no sounds or on Speakers.
Did you really tried it ? Killers have music in chase, if you add 75% reduction you still have a shot at escaping with mind games.
I did my Jake adept yesterday, he has the perk lvl 2 (75%) and I was really surprised how effective it was.
And even without IW you can win a chase :
- early game : drop pallets, you have all the ressources
- mid game : lure the killer to dead zone for him (no gen), most of the time they drop the chase, especially if they have no mobility
- endgame : lure the killer far from the doors
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No, IW won’t be useless. 75% is still a lot of reduction.
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@Predated said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3027776#Comment_3027776
Yeah, but considering Nurse is 1 out of 28 playable killers, where survivors are about 80% of the playerbase, what is the most logical steps to be taken here?
Option 1: Nerf Nurse or even killswitch her(or certain addons), then buff the rest of the roster. Keep 99% of the playerbase happy except Nurse mains.
Option 2: Keep Nurse the way she is, buff her even more, piss off up to 80% of the playerbase and encourage every killer to play her as she becomes a free 4k machine
Free 4k ? Prove it, show us your gameplay of you getting free winstreak. Not someone else, you (you are the one claiming she is easy).
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@Brokenbones said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3027710#Comment_3027710
First of all, you're putting words in my mouth - I never said deadlock was a 'strong' perk (Even tho it kinda is but whatever), I meant to say Deadlock is a good perk for camping killers.
Deadlock isn't a super strong perk if you're playing killer the usual way, sure - it's still crazy good though.
But if you're straight up camping it basically pressures other survivors for free and almost ensures if you camp someone out, gens can't get done.
Sure it’s good for camping, especially face camping with a Bubba.
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@Gorgonia said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3027743#Comment_3027743
You can't outrun a Legion on Frenzy even if you got SC.
You can stun him or dodge to cancel his power.
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@GoshJosh said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3027710#Comment_3027710
Deadlock is a very strong game delay perk. And it requires exactly zero input from the killer. Even if the gen doesn’t regress, the survivor might as well wait it out (depending on how far the next available gen is, the blocked gen will already be available again by the time they get to another gen to work on with less progress).
It’s useless against SWF. Outside a camping Bubba build (rancor, noed, deadlock…ect) , I would never use it. Gens are not that far from each other. It was good when it came out but got replaced by DMS as soon as it got buffed.
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Solo will be stronger than ever with the new basekit BT + Off The Record.
Gen regression got a hard nerf, so the new meta will be even more genrush (it’s already OP).
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@Brokenbones said:
Bro this patch is a buff to tunnelling & camping in general
90 second gens when Deadlock is still a thing
DS only being 3 seconds now and deactivates during endgame (endgame part is fine imo)
Deadlock is a weak perk. It’s mind blowing you think that good killers play this. There are so many better options.
Any decent survivor will start repairing another gen. Blocked gens don’t regress.
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@[Deleted User] said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3026215#Comment_3026215
Play dbd until you find a nurse
There is your proof
This only proves you got diff by someone better than you. I played against 4 nurses today and won each trial. Get good.
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@DEMONANCE said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3027481#Comment_3027481
why show you mine when there are a few nurse mains who stream on twitch bragging about their 200+ winstreak with her in their titles.
once you suffer through the losses as a beginner nurse and actually become decent with her everygame literally becomes easy mode.
i don't think those losses you had to suffer through at the beginning justify the existence of this killer.
and it definitely doesn't justify how bhvr keeps buffing the strongest killer in the game, first they give her a 3 blink addon and now they buff her ranged ones when most of the killers barely have a single good addon like ######### is that logic??
i think even if nurse was always allowed to be the strongest killer in the game that she shouldn't be toned down a bit and like other people mentioned, nerfing her addons and making her blinks count as a special attack would be a nice way to do it without gutting her.
Because you are the one saying she is "easy mode", not them.
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@DEMONANCE said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3026638#Comment_3026638
and that's why you are so against nerfing her, cuz if you played any other killer that follows the game mecanics your lack of skill will show so you rather play easy mode lol.
I play all killers. Show us your winstreak if she is "easy mode".
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@Piruluk said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3026953#Comment_3026953
Or maybe the 4 player enjoyment more important than the 1 player enjoyment.
Nurse auto win vs solo players, she is a legal cheat code left untouched for years. She is broken
Show us your winstreak with nurse if she is "autowin".
@legacycolt said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3027213#Comment_3027213
I speak for myself and many many others if I say nurse is unfun to play against. This thread alone proves this.
There are always threads asking for nerfs. 6 month ago it was Blight and before Spirit.
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@legacycolt said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3027161#Comment_3027161
No we should fix the nurse and rework her so people can finally have fun against her again.
Speak for yourself, I love facing nurse.
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@legacycolt said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3027099#Comment_3027099
That doesn’t change the fact people are giving up/ disconnecting against this killer.
Then the solution is to increase the ban penalty :)
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@legacycolt said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3026484#Comment_3026484
I never said the nurses kill rates are too high. I just want her kill rates to be balanced but not with her current abilities. Teleportation needs to go and she needs a complete rework so people finally stop giving up against this killer.
She has the worst kill rates of the game.
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@Marigoria said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3026953#Comment_3026953
You know what a multiplayer game is? it means there's other players. You telling solo players to just go play other games just shows you're bias and dont really care about solo q, so please dont @ me again because our conversations are always going to be very irrelevant.
It's not just "others players" like a MMO, it's a PVP game.
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@rha said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3026912#Comment_3026912
Good for you, then you are lucky that you can continue playing.
I had a "get chased for 120 seconds" daily today. As I had finished this challenge after the match, I can say for sure I did (at least) the full 120 seconds in a single chase at the start of the game. At some point the killer gave up and left me.
What do you think how many gens were done in this time?
Zero.
And it didn't even take half a minute from there until the first survivor was on hook. From then on there was basically no time to do gens, just unhook teammates or they would have been left hanging there. I finally let the killer down me and suicided because I got bored since the game dragged on and there was zero progress on the survivor side and I just wanted to get out of it. Would have been fun to run the killer around a bit more, but I don't see a point if nobody's doing a gen.
Yes I do get good games as well but those are more the exception. When I get one of these I always expect a popup, "we're sorry you had good teammates, but matchmaking screwed up. Don't worry, everything will be back to normal next game."
So I hope this sums up what life in low MMR is if you only know high MMR. Or would you say I don't have to worry about the changes because once mid chapter drops, my teammates will suddenly be productive?
It's not luck it's skill. My friend did an experiment and got insane results too in soloQ over 20 games. Around 80% winrate. The only times he died were when someone was hard throwing (suiciding on hook) or bad luck (getting rancored.).
"I finally let the killer down me and suicided" and then you complain about no escaping and bad teamates ? Seems to me you are the bad teamate here.
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@Marigoria said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3026889#Comment_3026889
I'm not on the DBD official discord and I shouldnt have to be to not have miserable solo games :)
You are playing with randoms, don't expect anything but random results. If you refuse to socialize and play with others it's your choice. DBD is a multiplayer game, maybe you should play solo games instead.
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It's the exact opposite for me, I will play soloQ more thanks to BT basekit and the new OTR.
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@Marigoria said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3026285#Comment_3026285
All my DBD friends quit a long time ago. And all new people I try to bring to the game also quit because the game is too grindy.
There are tons of survivors in the official discord. You have no excuse.
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@Ayamir said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3026802#Comment_3026802
Blight is actually a fun killer to face unlike Nurse.
Nurse's kill rates are low beceause of the low MMR nurses and the new players trying her out.
She has the highest kill rate in high MMR for a reason.
Every survivors were complaining about Blight 6 months ago asking for addons nerfs, and even basekit nerfs. And before him it was Spirit.
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@Ayamir said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3026691#Comment_3026691
good thing you're not on the DBD balance team my guy they already make confusing decisions but with your gibberish you might do worse.
I already played nurse many times and saying she's balanced is just lying to yourself you're just biased and delusional.
So the only way to beat a good Nurse is by playing in a SWF don't you realise how stupid you sound you're just telling the SoloQ chads to go fk themselves ?
If the only way to beat a decent Nurse is by playing in a SWF then there's something wrong with this killer but you won't accept it for whatever reasons ?
If you go play in soloQ, you are literaly playing with randoms. Don't expect good results with randoms using selfish perks like selfcare instead of trying to win together.
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@Ayamir said:
You don't need comms or a coordinated team to win against most killers but against a decent Nurse the only way you're winning is by playing in a SWF with 4 dead hards 4 iron wills to make chases last longer.
I mean I always try my best against Nurse but it's a team of 4 survivors you can't be the only one doing everything if others players on your team won't try to win beceause it's a Nurse then yeah its just boring.
She's so strong in the right hands and when you go against Comp players like Xeno or KnightLight they really show how pathetic survs are VS a good Nurse.
SWFs and Nurse both broken unfun things that needs to be addressed,the question is how do we do that ?
You get friends to play in SWF and you play nurse to learn her counters.
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I like going against Nurse, Trapper, Hag, Huntress, Pinhead.
I don't really like Pyramidhead and Legion but I will still try.
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@Aven_Fallen said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3026624#Comment_3026624
Its cool that you are easily entertained.
Yes, I don't enjoy playing pallet breaking simulator for 5min.
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@versacefeng said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3026482#Comment_3026482
What's so confusing? They asked to see a nurse winstreak and I said there's many on youtube for them to watch.
If you say she is ez gg, overpowered broken killer getting 4k at 5gen easily, you have to at least provide a video of your gameplay to back up your claims. Not someone else, especialy not a comp player with 6k hours on her alone who has won many tournaments.
We have stats : she has the worst winrate if the game. You have what ? Words ? Your losses against her ? Doesn't mean she is broken, only that you need to improve.
Either she is broken or she is not, and if she is then I am sure you can get a decent winstreak with her ?
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@Aven_Fallen said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3026264#Comment_3026264
"Nurse / Blight are best killers in the game, but they are also very hard to play. That's why they can exist."
Being hard to play should not justify being broken. Nurse should not exist like she does. She is part from a time where the Dev-Team neither understood balance nor cared about it. Yet she is allowed to exist because some people would throw a tantrum if they would actually rework her into something suitable for the game. Like, would Nurse be created like this today? Hell, no.
She is also not really hard to play. Once you get used to her Blinks, she has a pretty low skill ceiling. Hard to learn? Yes. Hard to play? Nah. There are other Killers who are harder to play, like Blight, Billy, Huntress, Deathslinger, just to name a few. And those are mostly fine (Deathslinger got nerfed a bit too much, Blight has Add Ons which need to be nerfed). But otherwise, they feel satisfying to play, because you are playing some difficult Killers and get good results with them.
This is not the case for Nurse, once you get used to her Blinks, she is not that exciting to play anymore.
However, the Devs will never nerf her, due to the backlash which will come up. They are too scared to do what is needed for this game, because the game is 10x more difficult to balance as long as Nurse exists like that.
Speak for youself, I have 1000h on her alone I still find her exciting to play.
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@versacefeng said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3026460#Comment_3026460
How about you find a nurse winstreak yourself? Theres thousands of winstreaks and gameplay of her on youtube
I am talking about your own skill, not someone else. Otz did a winstreak on almost every killers, it doesn’t mean they all are broken or overpowered.
If she is so easy, prove it. You should be able to get at least a 100 winstreak don’t you think ?
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He is good in low to mid MMR. High MMR survivor will :
- not solve the box, they know how to repair gens while the chain hunt is active. In fact, it doesn’t really slow you much.
- stay at safe loops. You can drop a pallet and vault while being chained btw, his power is only useful at unsafe loops where…you don’t need his power to begin with.
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@knight_killer said:
No, it's not entirely too hard to outplay a nurse as it all relies on indeterminacies and guessing really. Solo queue against a nurse does usually end up in at least someone giving up and running the nurse while no one else does anything.
The main problem is that nurse was originally designed to be a high skill high reward killer amongst generally easy to use killers, at the time the only other challening killers were billy and doctor. Anybody can pick up nurse and get decent at it, you don't need to be a "God Nurse" to 4k, the only reason anyone would aim to be a "god nurse" is to get into their next game quicker. On top of the fact that nurse is not that hard to play is the fact that "true" counterplay to nurse is mindnumbingly repetitive and boring. Looping M1 killers requires both sides to come up with a mindgame in a tile while the nurse mindgame is simply "Are they going to run backwards toward me".
Show us your winstreak if she is so easy to play.
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@CriticalWeasel said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3026260#Comment_3026260
Not true.
Trapper for example can be someone fairly played against with just Soloque.
Spirit and Blight against Soloque is chaotic but at least it's fun.
But Nurse? Everyone just like, gives up. Or is running around trying to think of a plan while someone gets to stage 2 on their hook.
So you want to lower Nurse skill to Trapper level ? Interesting.
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@OniWantsYourMacaroni said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3025668#Comment_3025668
Not all maps and situations allow that though.
Also range addons + agitation is a thing aswell making it that much harder
She has no info, just hide.
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@JUMPSCAREKILLER said:
i mean i am ok whit op ######### as long as i dont have dc penalty in games but this game has so why in hell is this a thing or nurses in general. nerf or remove nurse. even braindead monkey could get 4k whit nurse. nerf it or make it harded to use. or take dc penalty off.
Show us your winstreak with nurse if she is "braindead".
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@Johnny_XMan said:
That some players are so quick to point out how the game should be “balanced” around high level players, even though statistically the majority of players aren’t.
Yet, when the conversation switches to balancing Nurse because of how oppressive she is, especially when you begin to stack perk effects….suddenly they have a surprise pikachu face, because suddenly she shouldn’t be “balanced” because her killrates are low.
The hypocrisy on here is truly outstanding.
We have no stats of nurse over performing at high MMR. In theory she is good but overall stats show she has the worse winrate of all killers.
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@Nathan13 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3025395#Comment_3025395
I don’t understand how people can seriously tell me how Nurse is perfectly balanced. I mean yeah she’s super different to master but once you learn to blink…
Show us your winstreak on nurse if she is so easy and broken.