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@DeadArsenal said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1355282#Comment_1355282
I get that you're talking about BHVR, trust me. My point is that it happens and every marketing and public relations department in the world knows it happens. You know who wants to hold that hot potato? Nobody. So guess who folds? Everybody. The specter of that hangs over us, and as much as everyone likes to think it's all very innocent it's not. The average person doesn't pay attention to or care about Frank and Julie, especially since they're never even on screen together. The average person doesn't want to pay attention to any of this sexual orientation crap. But if they voice that they are quickly declared bigots or trolls.
But what if BHVR genuinely wants to include LGBT+ themes in the lore? They are ever expanding on lore and go deeper in their backstories, especially since the introduction of the tomes. They now saw - fitting opportunity during pride month (yeah they ARE a business company) and announce it with rational reasonings. (This is all my theory btw does not have to be true)
Why would they not be allowed to do that? Because other companies were threatened by extreme LGBT+ activists?
the thing is: we don’t know what the real reasoning for BHVR was. We can only either assume something (what you are doing and I am in this post) or we have to take the only real evidence: their tweet.
of course you might be right and the outrage witnessed with other companies before could be the reason. But there could also be someone with a gun pointing at Cote that demands this. These cases wouldn’t be the right reasoning to include it. BUT including LGBT+ themes on its own is not something bad but something good. There is nothing harmful in it.
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I am not telling you that you are wrong. I never stated the opposite though.
about the outrage: I was merely talking about BHVR and DbD, because that is the topic at hand.
you know what: Frank and Julie being super into each other didn’t have anything to do with continuing the species. That wasn’t the reason they mentioned this. Actually, if it were Frank and Joey, there should not have been any difference at all.
the mentioning of non heterosexual relationships should just be not an issue at all. Does not hurt anyone and is actually part of many cultures and individuals.
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@Sunbreaker7 said:
All I ever think about when fleeing from a killer is how big of Meg's dingdong is or if Dwight's marriage with his homosexual partner is doing well at home outside the realm of the entity - that's where the real gameplay is at, please make this number one priority! We need LGBT to video games where they don't belong and have zero logic to exist!
With that argumentation they should delete everything about backstory and lore.
why does it matter where Dwight worked or that Kate was a musician? Why should I know anything about the Nurse loosing her husband? Who cares about the Oni being Spirits great great great great great grandfather?
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@SMitchell8 said:
Leave sexual orientation out of it. It doesn't matter.
Sure, would be fine. But then they would have to retcon some backstories and tome entries where sexual orientation is already stated.
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@DeadArsenal said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1355221#Comment_1355221
Yeah I'm sure you think you get to define everyone's thoughts for them. People involved in these conversations always do. You see "a company realizing their mistakes and saying they will act accordingly." I see yet another company held hostage by outrage culture. Isn't the first, won't be the last. But please, do make sure everyone pats themselves on the back for righting such a terrible wrong...in a computer game played exclusively by people privileged enough to think a lack of "inclusivity" is a "mistake."
You are getting awfully personal quickly...
the mistake was they stated they don’t want to include any sexual orientation (which would have been totally fine) but they contradicted themselves and several heterosexual relationships.
also: you see „yet another company held hostage by outrage culture“ only because you want to see it. There was no outrage.
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Shouldn’t the graphical update come with an update of the graphics Engine which would/should be more optimized on the different platforms? (I am not sure sure about this and genuinely asking)
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@DeadArsenal said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1355145#Comment_1355145
If you think anything I've said is "anti-LGBT" clearly you're only seeing what you want to see, so believe whatever you want.
then what is the problem?
clearly someone who is not saying anything „anti-LGBT“ wouldn’t have anything against inclusion of LGBT themes in a game where there are already heterosexual relationships mentioned.
BHVR states they are doing this now because the community made them realize and reflect their behavior regarding sexual orientation. No threats involved, just a company realizing their mistakes and saying they will act accordingly.
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i am.. not super hyped. I don’t have any attachment to Silent Hill. But I actually really liked PH and the new map! Cheryls hair looked a little bit off for me, the perks are interesting at least to me.
plus we may or may not get more info on Legendary Skins!!
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@DeadArsenal said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1353991#Comment_1353991
So you are a forum goblin on a program then? Good thing for me to know. See you think nobody knows your tricks. You really legitimately think nobody notices how you have a pre-selected method of argument with easy responses based on baited statements. I say "existential threat" and describe to you the immediately observable and easily recognized social justice movement as that threat. Instead you constantly and repeatedly misrepresent my argument by demanding proof of direct verbal threats until someone comes running to rescue you from your own pathetic broken argument. Even if I produced a tweet with a direct verbal threat in it you would immediately jump to "THAT'S ONE PERSON AND DOESN'T REPRESENT THE WHOLE!" You're not as quick on the draw as you think you are. You're a sophist without a hint of reason in your rhetorical constructs.
Nobody is fooled by this act anymore. Everybody can see what's happening here. You think you're buying tolerance and inclusivity with this behavior but you're not. All you're doing is culturing an entire group of silent bigots reading these posts that can see exactly what you're doing. The alternative, that you're merely a well programmed tool regurgitating the same talking points you've heard over and over again, is equally damaging to the cause of LGBT people. Beware, cautious avoidance can turn into active hatred very quickly.
Okay, now I kinda really want to know if you are being serious the whole time or this is all a big troll attempt and you are actually wanting to show how stupid those anti-LGBT+ arguments are? (If you want to stay in-character just write a PM to me, i won’t tell anyone I promise)
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I like that the names are censored by themselves
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I also thought about a vanilla killer but that is way too late in the game life time, it should have been there from the beginning, now they can’t really advertise it and not many would be interested
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I would rather see interesting Perk updates AND music well done but not rushed.
i also don’t want those people working on perk updates instead making chase music for the killers. Not trying to say they would make bad music but there is a reason they are working in a different field I guess
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@Orion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1354133#Comment_1354133
Thanks for letting everyone know.
Even if there was a ‚threat‘, it would be so minor that probably no one from BHVR noticed, they can’t really read every single comment for every tweet.
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@Orion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1353989#Comment_1353989
You posted a tweet and expected people to dig through thousands of comments to find proof for your argument. You're essentially saying "I made the argument, now you go look for proof that I'm right", which is absurd.
Show me the proof. It's that simple.
Don’t bother asking, I actually scrolled a little bit through the comments. There are no threats. Not even demands nor questions for LGBT+ chars. Just a few cosmetic pleas, LGBT-related or shirtless x. Totally normal.
there are also comment like „ew“ and barfing smileys, so it doesn’t seem hardcore censored.
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@csandman1977 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1353276#Comment_1353276
Yeah. Call it bias. Call it....well is it appropriate for a 45 year old married man to use the term bae? If so huntress is my bae lol.
And more bias, jane couldn't be last girl. Her voice goes through me like nails on a chalk board.
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1353279#Comment_1353279
I can't see kate being last as usually the eye candy goes out first. Final girl is usually pretty but never the prettiest.
That’s exactly what I thought about Kate. She would be a very cool opening scene kill though, pretty and hopeful but tough and fighting back without knowing what is coming for her beforehand.
Final Girl gets lucky often times and gains experience.
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@csandman1977 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1353260#Comment_1353260
I feel like jane and zarina would be in the woods doing a documentary and stumble across a massacre so decide to film the whole thing. Ghostface would play along. Huntress would come out of nowhere and kill everyone and the whole thing would be a found footage thriller.
so GhostFace gets killed by huntress?
actually I forgot about Zarina, could be more fitting for the Reporter chick role than Jane.
i still don’t see the big booty Latina that’s basically a superstar as Final Girl material though
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Jane is the Gale Weathers though: always nearby (big screentime), investigating for her story, at some point even suspected to be a killer, probably showing her empathy late and helping final girl and this may or may not get her killed.
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Yeah I would say Kate as well. But she could also be the girl killed in the opening scene!
Claudette is also possible but she may be too shy/cares too much for others
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@Downcamped_Claudette said:
Defibrillator
When injured or in dying state, when next to a completed Gen, press the active ability button to rip off a cable and zapp yourself like a motherf... . The Generators progress will reset to 0% and you get instantly healed to injured when downed and to healthy when injured.
Has a cooldown of 300/150/50 seconds
-This is the greatest idea I ever had!!! -Nick Lessner
The Spectator
After cleansing 3/2/1 dull totems, press the active ability button to turn into spectator mode. You don't earn bloodpoints and can't help your teammates. Can only be used once per trial.
-from a safe distance, everything looks SO much more fun! -Nick Lessner
I... actually like Defibrillator somewhat!
a conditional multiple use Unbreakable, slap on even more conditions (gen not regressing and needs minimum progression) and it even has a downside!
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@DrDeepwound said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1353155#Comment_1353155
But you would buy it, and so would many, and even probably thousands of straight people would to show msupport, so its as good an idea as anyone. I don't like seeing people fight so its much easier to design a product to please both sides, dont want it, dont buy it, want it? then buy it.
capitalism is a glorious thing.
Honestly I would be very hesitant to buy it.
maybe if the income was donated to a good cause, like that Charity DLC did. But then it would also depend on how they portray their token gay/les/bi/trans characters. And here they have to be very very careful to please everyone.
there is just the other way simpler option: just add it via some lore entries to existing and/or new characters where it actually fits and does not feel slapped on.
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@DrDeepwound said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1353121#Comment_1353121
"most" thats an opinion but some do want that so,... your opinion is yours, but others most certainly want it. I wouldnt mind if they did it.
Of course that is my opinion. But I can assure you that many will have the opinion, and it would feel forced and restricted (only one char of every ‚orientation‘).
plus this way they would confirm they are only doing it to get the money from this community.
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@DrDeepwound said:
they should just make a LGBT DLC that way they can make money and please the crowd.
1 gay male
1 gay female
1 bisexual male
1 bisexual female
1 trans male
1 trans female
Anything less is non inclusive enough. As I mentioned bisexuals make up the larger of the group, majority of people in LGBT claim to be bisexual so you need to include them too.
Make it 19.99 and call it a day. Let people who want it buy it, those who dont want it, can not buy it.
This is exactly what most people of the LGBT+ dont want though. It is pretty forced and feels like total unnecessary pandering.
just integrate LGBT themes naturally just like how hetero relations are already part of the game. Nothing will be lost here. Nothing would be retconned. Some chars may even still be not confirmed to their sexuality at all.
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@Mooks said:
Just end me already:
if EGC is triggered or you are the last survivor alive and you are in the dying state, press the active ability button if the killer is standing in a radius of 4/6/8 m around you for more than 3 seconds. The killer will now perform a Mori on you and can’t cancel it.
Thinking more about my idea: this isn’t stupid but should be basekit. Also apply the bloodpoints for the Mori to the survivor.
bleeding out as the last survivor is just stupid and totally unnecessary (even if the killer fears DS they don’t have to let you bleed out completely)
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@Orion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1352860#Comment_1352860
He won't answer. He thinks it's a trap, so he "loses" if he answers the question.
yeah I figured that from what he wrote.
the whole „LGBT+ people get exploited with the inclusion in a videogame“ already seemed paranoid.
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Blindness just needs additional effects tbh.
maybe make the field of view of the survivor smaller/blurr out the edges/blurr out stuff a little that’s far away/make the vision darker like during Deep Wounds etc. There is so much you can do with vision and blindness and just disabling not even all aura readings feels not punishing enough.
i also like the idea to make Hex: Totems look like dull totems while blind!
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Just end me already:
if EGC is triggered or you are the last survivor alive and you are in the dying state, press the active ability button if the killer is standing in a radius of 4/6/8 m around you for more than 3 seconds. The killer will now perform a Mori on you and can’t cancel it.
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did you just leak a perk from chapter 17?!
and it doesn’t have a cooldown? Totally OP, plz nerf!
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@LordGlint said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1352966#Comment_1352966
I feel like its abit much. To not be able to tell that the gen has been worked on by even looking at is would make surveillance REQUIRED to be able to tell the difference. That's like if you HAD to use small game to find totems because they were invisible otherwise.
To be honest, it would be an interesting killer perk to make totem (somewhat) invisible. Of course not totally, but maybe a little transparent/not visible from far away/only visible when in center of survivor POV.
the regression appearance as OP described it would be timed, it’s not like it won’t ever be visible. Maybe the numbers are a little bit high considering how fast a (already worked on) gen can be repaired.
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I am what is commonly describes as being a potato. Both survivor and killer. With killer I am on a fitting rank though (10-12), as survivor I am „boosted“ (red rank).
that said, I am not urban evasioning around, selfcaring in the corner while teammates are hooked etc. I do play decently. But I am not best at looping. I swear I get stopped at every corner and (invisible) obstacle, I am telling myself this is due to me using a controller in pc though. I am probably wrong and just bad.
there are also times where I do nothing different and I can loop the killer what feels like an endless time, and those killers may also be red rank. So who knows. I also have very good killer games. All in all I have fun and I get mostly not toxic comments from both sides.
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Technician is a perk in serious need of a buff.
but I guess since it is a Min perk it really should not affect other survivors.
i like the fake regression after starting to repairing, would you need to repair it for the whole duration or would gen tapping be included? Also is surveillance even affected by this? Could be cool interaction between those two perks either way
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@TragicSolitude said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1352828#Comment_1352828
Ugh, that lore is awful. I don't get it, that doesn't bring anything interesting to the characters. If that were a sample from a novel, I wouldn't want to read the rest.
Sorry, I'm probably going off topic, but I just don't like the way they write a lot of the lore and backstories in DbD. That Legion nonsense shows they can't handle romantic relationships with any sort of skill, and now they're saying they're going to include romantic relationships more often? The future looks bleak. I'm not sure tact is part of their repertoire.
LOL that’s a fair.
the writing seems really odd sometimes. But then again, why should only hetero relations get awful lore entires XD.
I still hope they will only include it like with Sally or David. Just a mention. Nothing that awful. Or maybe both. So the LGBT+ or hetero theme doesn’t matter at all and they will just naturally include it like only hetero before. The lore being awful at times is a completely different topic
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@DeadArsenal said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1352788#Comment_1352788
Oh a common argument huh? You mean a strawman you can burn on a hill in effigy of actual people's arguments? How convenient for people who want to seem enlightened and understanding but instead actually just operate off of a simple system of rhetorical devices and logic fallacies.
I mean this statement, maybe I misunderstood it because of language barrier. then I apologize. But since you answered to my post directly I assume naturally that I was meant.
edit: but then again you can revise your stand about the mentioning of the politics topic, which you assumed Orion meant directly you when they just wanted to clarify your stand on the general politics topic in this context.
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@Squirrel_Thicc said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1352836#Comment_1352836
The way they worded it sounded like they were just going to randomly out everyone. If they find a way to make it important to story in some way then it's fine. Again I just don't want pandering... that's all.
If they do it like that I will be on your side of the argument. But looking at the lore they have written before and the heterosexual relationships I think assuming they will handle LGBT stuff the same way is all we can do with certainty now.
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@DeadArsenal said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1352823#Comment_1352823
So you take a noun out of one sentence so you can get outraged over a description in another? Are you serious? You're trying real hard to offend yourself. 😂
Were did I do that though? Or am I misinterpreting that „you“ again and you are not talking to me?
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@Squirrel_Thicc said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1352819#Comment_1352819
What they did for Sally was perfect imo. They mentioned her sexuality or possible sexuality whatever just by saying that she had a husband. And when it comes to Frank and julie, again, all they did was say that they were into each other. All im saying is that I don't want the dev's going around saying THIS CHARACTERS BLANK. I just want them to add it to lore in a non pandering way.
But for all we know they will just do that. That’s pretty much what the twitter statement says. They didn’t announce a new char that’s only trait is being LGBT.
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@DeadArsenal said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1352809#Comment_1352809
Oh, did you feel included in the group I described? Well I didn't actively include you so, I just kind of assumed you wouldn't feel included. You know? 😉
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1352810#Comment_1352810
So go argue with those "many people" instead of trying to press me to argue on their behalf.
You were directly responding to my message and referred to the group with „you“ but you didn’t intend to include me? Are you serious?
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@Squirrel_Thicc said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1352724#Comment_1352724
Nurse, Frank and julie were all implied to be straight. It matters because they're pandering, my point. They're slapping the label on characters just because they can. They're trying to shove it in our faces which is unnecessary.
They were never implied to be straight. They were confirmed to have had relationships with the other gender. They can still be bisexual or asexual as far as we know. Even gay (at least in the case of Nurse, I am pretty sure the lore of Frank and Julie states they were really into each other).
as of now, they didn’t slap any label on any character. They just stated they won’t restrict themselves anymore from mentioning LGBT+ (and hetero) relationships or themes.
where were you when they mention hetero relations even though their statement was they wouldn’t talk about any sexual orientation for any character? THAT was kinda shoving it in our face. But no one complained. Now you are complaining about something they haven’t even done (yet).
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@DeadArsenal said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1352788#Comment_1352788
Oh a common argument huh? You mean a strawman you can burn on a hill in effigy of actual people's arguments? How convenient for people who want to seem enlightened and understanding but instead actually just operate off of a simple system of rhetorical devices and logic fallacies.
It is a common argument made in the past few days on these forums.
i scrolled through this thread and your argument basically is that corporations exploit LGBT+ people for their own gain and don’t care for them. (wat?). You are right. YOU didn’t say politics shouldn’t be in videogames in this thread. But I didn’t say you did, but you made nice assumptions about me. Thanks.
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@DeadArsenal said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1352772#Comment_1352772
Oh please do show me where I used the word "political" in this thread before this post. Yet again you amaze me with your ability to pay absolutely zero attention to anything anyone else says.
“Videogames should not get political“ is a common argument used against LGBT+ representation in DbD on this forum. You can’t expect anyone to memorize every single argument you or anyone else has made against LGBT+ When they are all far-fetched and basically boil down to „I don’t want gay stuff in my game“.
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@Squirrel_Thicc said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1351640#Comment_1351640
Just saying that I don't want them to add to already existing characters because that's stupid and pandering. If they add new gay/ trans or bi characters I don't really care. Sexuality doesn't matter in a game like dbd and that's the bottom line. It may be nice for some people to know, but it has no effect on gameplay.
But it is not stupid nor is it pandering. No char was ever confirmed not to be LGBT+. It’s something the creators probably thought about from the very beginning of the character but never felt the need to mention yet. And they will only mention it if it feels fitting to the story they want to tell.
if it doesn’t matter then it should not affect you. But it does matter to you.
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@BigBrainMegMain said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1351768#Comment_1351768
Man, you people are blind to the issue.
Because that's what DEFINES THEM, from the beginning. It's who they are, it's what they've been, it's what people have been attached to since release.
And NOW, 4 years later, they're going to announce someone's sexuality. For what purpose? They made an entire disingenuous post on Twitter telling the world of their great deed to our community when they could have just done it. Just DO IT.
Imagine me making a YouTube video of my 10 Grand donation to LA Homeless shelters, or a Tweet post about it.
There's nothing genuine about it.
If they had just done it, there would have been an outrage because they previously stated they would not do it.
they made the statement because they got many questions regarding this and feedback from the community. If they didn’t answer there would have been an outrage because they would be ignorant.
they just made a small statement, saying how they wanted to do it, that they see they did contradict themselves in some ways and won’t restrict themselves anymore.
They didn’t make a video about it, they could have made the next Q&A only about this topic but all they did was one tweet.
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@DeadArsenal said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1351758#Comment_1351758
Yes, please demean my talking points by reducing me to a caricature. That'll help change minds and promote tolerance.
That was just a joke because your statement was also sarcastic.
at least that’s what I thought..? You were not really serious?
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@DeadArsenal said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1351714#Comment_1351714
The climate will get worse as long as the LGBT community and social justice movement keep trying to inject their idealisms into hobbies and interests that have no real place for it. What business do they have hounding a videogame developer for inclusivity exactly? What is inclusivity? Is a single line in a character's backstory enough, or do we need a character running around in a trans acceptance rainbow shirt and neon blue hair? Trick question: It's never enough because the whole process is pure egotism. It might not be that way for you but I guarantee you it's that way for a significant amount of the people supporting you.
well, they have taken over BHVR and Dead by Daylight now. It is too late. Better leave the sinking ship as long as you can or you might get infected with gayness or something. Run, you fool! RUN!
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Someone already posted in this forum they got an email that told them they won.
they will probably not announce the winners openly because they only have their email and player cloud ID?
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@Squirrel_Thicc said:
I just think that they're pandering and slapping the lgbt label on random characters. If they're going to add a gay or trans character, let it be important to the story OR don't make it the whole story. It's pretty simple on how to add a good representative character without pandering and the dev's are pandering (at least that's what I see it as) and they're adding lgbt characters in the lamest and most pandering way possible in my opinion. The only way it could be any more pandering is if they add a character whose only lore revolves around gender/ sexuality.
You don’t know how they will incorporate LGBT+ stuff.
we already know there is one in the current roster but they just never mentioned it before. That’s pretty much what you are asking for and that’s how they will probably handle it.
the only „pandering“ here is that they gave the official statement during pride month. They also said why they gave the statement: feedback and questions from the community. If they didn’t make a statement it would have been wrong also, so it was lost situation for them really.. and they handled it probably the best way possible.
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@Orion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1351400#Comment_1351400
I didn't say I was gay, I said my boyfriend was.
You can’t say that, you will confuse them
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yeah I am with you in this.
server sides hit detection should help with this issue though, but then the Russian players won’t have a good time and will probably start to complain (rightfully).
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I didn’t read everything in the tome yet but iirc in the original lore it was stated the girls weren’t happy after being kidnapped by Anna and were actually starving to death. This looks more like the happy memory of Anna which is mentioned in the tome.
i could obviously be wrong though
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
Happy birthday to dbd!!
I'm boring and mine is just "Happy Birthday" but as I'm learning German, I think you'd say "Herzlichen Glückwunsch zum Geburtstag!" (though if I'm wrong please correct me lol).
No need for correction, that’s exactly how it’s said in German.
You could also say: “Alles Gute zum Geburtstag!“
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I read the lore basically one time and then not again. I know mostly the main part but forget other parts. Kate’s seems to be pretty cool though, what I can gather in this thread, I couldn’t even remember that the entity was that directly mentioned. And iirc I liked Megs backstory, but since she was one of the first there wasn’t much to it. And Claudette’s was always nice too.