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@tt_ivi_99 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/363938#Comment_363938
All the contrary, if all killers were Billy Tier the game would be balanced because every killer would stand a chance against the most experienced survivors but devs want "fun" over competition, even tho this game's fun heavily relies on winning...
Then tell me how tf would you would for example bring Freddy or Myers to billy's level without breaking Billy/Nurse in the process. Or Clown or Doc.
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@Hoodied said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/364095#Comment_364095
@BACKSTABBER She is around 14-16 I believe calm down
-FBI is at door-
Legal in germany lul
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@yeet said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/363938#Comment_363938
he is the most balanced killer in the game
there is absolutely no way to bring most of the other killers in this game to his level unless you completely reworked them, so no, he's absolutely not. He has the highest mobility in the game, he has unlimited instadowns (lul myers what are you even) and can still m1 you like it's nothing if you decide to not heal against him after getting chainsawed. you could make freddy's dreamtransition INSTANT and he still wouldn't be on billy's level.
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cant take anybody seriously who says that Selfcare is detrimental to survivors. Selfcare could get a 25% nerf to speed and would still be op.
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@The_Crusader said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/363934#Comment_363934
The most balanced killer is the one who can cross the map in 5 seconds.
Sure.
Dont forget 115% ms and the instadown, almost no cooldown on the chainsaw no powergage like spirit/legion and running into an object is almost a joke with it, even bubba suffers more.
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@The_Bogeyman said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/364029#Comment_364029
This guy gets it.
Except survivors even DC when you don't moonwalk so there's that. You know what's boring too? Palletlooping. Takes no skill, no mindgame potential yet here I am, not DCing. Let's not forget tons of dumb loopspots that you either have to abandon or bloodlust altho devs are finally patching them out
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@The_Bogeyman said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/364040#Comment_364040
Heh silly burgers. Devs said Legion was a big 'ol mistake.
Devs also mostly have no clue of balance because they are too busy making the game instead of getting good at it. They are afraid to make the game how it's meant to be because they know that gamers wouldn't want this style of assymetric play where they have no chance in a 1v1 situation even tho it would be needed.
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@thekiller490490 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/364050#Comment_364050
Yes. When you Vs a nurse like Ardetha or tru3, you really have no chance. Nurse however isn't a pick up and win killer. Legion is.
So nurse is totally fine because she needs a bit more practice but is even more oppressive. Idolism leads to nothing.
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@thekiller490490 said:
@HazeHound Answer this for me. Is Legion's existence healthy for DBD?
Yes because this is how the devs envisioned the game in the first place. You should not be able to 1v1 the killer, as soon as he finds you he should be able to down you in 30-40secs. Legion is basically like giving every killer bloodlust that doesn't break even after you break a pallet which would make most killers that currently aren't viable actually viable.
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I don't get it.
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@HavelmomDaS1 said:
So, you want to remove one of the very few depth technique in this casual game from the overall most balanced killer, cuuuuuz....?? U don't like it?
Disgusting, really disgusting what some people want. Please quit playing if Q and E is such big deal for you.
Sorry, but this post literally is to much. And if I remember correctly you made some posts about how you destroy the fun on purpose of other players. I hope you will go against the most sweaty tryhard billy's who perfected curving for the rest of all your matches.
Billy is in no way balanced and keeps most of the killer roster down because the game cannot be balanced towards killers right now with Billy and Nurse running rampant having mechanics that no other killer will ever get again.
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@tt_ivi_99 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/363108#Comment_363108
Have you played against him?
Im a SWF player and everyone in my group plays killer just like me, whenever a new killer comes out we play on KYF to figure out a counter in a chase but we gave up on this killer because there is no counter.
That means that if he finds you, you are dead.
I dont think this is how the game is supposed to be because if It was there wouldnt be pallets, windows or any of that.
3 needed hooks per survivor while gentimes are less than 80 secs on only 5 gens with kicking gens almost not being viable wants to have a word with you. And I didn't even mention all the second chance perks that survs get
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@BACKSTABBER said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/362995#Comment_362995
What? do not deviate the subject
how many %DCs you got daily? do not lie to us
I don't use frank's mixtape and I don't tunnel so maybe every 5th game or so some dick just immediately DCs even when I run brown perks. it's mostly twitchstreamers I noticed. The number might increase R10+ but I downpipped to test the plague at lowranks so I won't test this for a while.
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In fact, I didn't play this game at all when infinites existed.
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There's a TON of anti-fun ######### in this game, DCing/Suiciding against legion is ultimately enabled by streamer d*ckriders who got influenced by them.
How is basement Bubba Fun and Skillfull?
How was Instasaw Billy Skillfull?
How is Nurse not Bullshit?
How is a killer running enduring, brutal strenght+bamboozle+spirit fury considered skillfull? (you know, minus BS the build that holier and skillfuller than thou tru3 loved to run)
How was running infinites considered skillfull? How is the Haddonfield near infinite house considered not Bullshit?
Iridescent Hatchets+Infantry Belt anyone?
DS giving survivors 30% more hookstates for pressing a single button?
Completely unmindgameable T-Walls of the Cornfields?
The braindead Palletlooping because 2 years later devs still haven't fixed killer acceleration?
and so on and so on
There's so much ######### in this game, if I were to DC because of the anti-fun aspects that are in this game then I might not play at all.
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@Dwight_Fairfield said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/362944#Comment_362944
How is that toxic? I have said time and again I do not dc, nor am I defending or condoning those who do dc, yet you say let us "do what we want" until we get banned.
Why would I be banned when I am not breaching any rules? This position of yours is devoid of any logic. So either you are not capable of logical thinking, or you're just trying to be toxic and elicit angry responses again. Given your track record I'm inclined to lean towards the latter.
You don't really get that no matter if you're suiciding or not, if you suicide just against ANY legion then your argument is out of the window, you are not screwing over the legion player but the ppl who wanted to just legitimately play the game. I don't care if you and your 4man SWF all suicide on hook. I don't have to go play another game, I don't DC and the only time I suicide on hook is for the self-unhook achievement.
Also I won't even answer the 19 post masked ad-hominem guy who can't grasp simple facts and thinks I play this game competitively at all.
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The only real reason to DC against legion is a frank's mixtape legion, that addon needs to be ultra-rare, other than that there's no reason to both suicide or DC. if it's not legion it's another killer so what's the point.
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I had a guy in my local gaming store at a warhammer tournament outright throw the game because I was playing a very cheesy list with the strongest army. Guess what. Disqualified. If you wanna show bad sportsmanship maybe not play at all.
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@Dwight_Fairfield said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/362855#Comment_362855
No BHVR is not punishing people for exiting a match in a reasonable and fair manner, which dying on the first hook is. No rational game punishes its player base for enduring something they find tedious. They want players to enjoy their game. You try forcing them to waste their precious free time sitting through games they find as much fun as a root canal, its a quick recipe to kill your game.
BHVR have exactly the right attitude on this. Don't dc, because as mentioned you are denying killers sacrifice points and potential achievements progress. If you choose to die on your first hook, that is perfectly fair and your god given right to leave a match when you want to.
You have this ridiculous misguided belief that survivor players are beholden to their other team mates and the killer to endure the match to the bitter end. Absolutely ridiculous. No player is obligated in any way to anyone in this game. The only obligation you have is to follow the game rules. You play this game, you're accepting the rules of it. You make your bed, you lie in it.
If you don't like how BHVR handles this, then this is not the game for you. You keep saying other games do not allow this. Then I suggest you go play those other games and get the management satisfaction you're not getting on Dbd.
You never played any competitive game like League or Dota2 or Heroes of the storm then, if you leave you get punished. If you end the game faster by not playing with your team and letting the enemy push, you also get punished (altho this takes alot of reports). If you do the same in CSGO..guess what...you get punished. Overwatch etc, you catch my drift.
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@The_Bogeyman said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/362681#Comment_362681
Heh get off that soap box. Unacceptable says you. Ain't unacceptable to get out of Legion town when that crap is super super annoying to play.
Should I just DC on every SWF game then? Or everytime a survivor exploits Palletlooping? sod off.
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@Aceonfire said:
BHVR rules say DC'n to gain an unfair advantage. I DC because there are times when the game's programming and planning make it very "not fun"
Maybe some people have lost the idea that a game is supposed to be entertaining and fun, which is why we spend out money on it.
If a game ever forced me to not have fun and punished me for not suffering such, it would be uninstalled and my money would go elsewhere.
Go elsewhere then, do this in any competitive game and you're banned. BHVR doesn't enforce their rules because too many of the community are doing this.
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@Dwight_Fairfield said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/362630#Comment_362630
Because you are not denying the killer sacrifice points, or any potential progress towards an achievement. Most importantly you are not violating any game rules.
Just because you feel entitled to make players suffer through something they loathe for your own personal enjoyment doesn't mean they will comply with it. Most people are sensible enough to play this game for fun. That is why you struggle to get a satisfying Legion match. Most players don't find them fun and exit the match as quick as possible.
oh wow great, so because bhvr didn't implement a rule where basically working against your own team is not punishable it's okay.
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@SnakeSound222 said:
I agree with the Killer Instinct part being dumb. It should just be changed to where you only have to down 25 Survivors with Feral Frenzy active, no Killer Instinct required.
It would be a legit achievement if Dirty Knife was the standard mending time and if we actually had a good base duration on legion's Frenzy enabling us to sorta really play a hit and run style and go after the wounded guy that's mending.
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@Mr_K said:
Worse conceived achievement in the game. Trying to do this without outright farming is nearly impossible. I've had survivors run in circles in the open and some have started mending mid chase just to prevent any progress.
@MhhBurgers that might work if the survivors don't DC on you for running such a build.
Stab Wounds is nothing that survivors DC over, the ones that DC would DC against legion anyways.
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@artist said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/362594#Comment_362594
but you are able to hold off any other killer for a good amount of time (except nurse) if you're good enough. legion just sets every chase to a predetermined timer and theres nothing you can do about it. @George_Soros listed counters to legion but everything he said is something you try to do against every killer lol. dunno why he tried to categorize them to just legion. why we hate legion isnt due to him being weak or strong, its due to him ignoring a survivor's way of running from the killer making every chase boring, and not worth playing
so survivors are mad that they can't abuse a designflaw/exploit (palletlooping) against a killer that is designed to down survivors within the time that devs envisioned in the first place.
no hipocricy at all.
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@Spicybarbecue said:
legion has literally zero counter play..that's why ppl dc vs him. not fun playing against something that has no counter.
We are talking about the legion, not nurse.
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Stab Wounds study+Dirty Knife+Sloppy Butcher+Whispers+Bloodhound+Stridor. Altho I farmed the last 8 survivors or so it's not impossible even at R1 where ppl will split up hard. You have to practically build for it. Find 2 survivors during a 3-gen strat. Hit one, then hit the other and follow the other and down him with m2 once he's at 30%.
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@projecteulogy said:
I'm just gonna wait this whole ordeal out until the emblem system completely wrecks a majority of the high rank killers(and survivors) who use toxic playstyles such as tunnel/camp/slugging to get kills.
I run Iron Will and Lightweight on just about every build because of Legion. To counter Legion, you don't heal to full. You're wasting time. Break all the totems and gen rush him. Legion is fairly garbage unless you're playing solo then you might run into issues due to the huge lack of coordination and Specific Addon combinations make him almost impossible to get away from.
Deep Wound is a trivial joke. Almost every Legion runs the same meme build. So just play to counter it.
I don't know what you're thinking but legion will still be great to pip with the new system. Toxic Playstyles i.e dragging the game out unneccesarily are rewarded with the new system.
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@Shad03 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/362684#Comment_362684
@Galklife Mmhm.
I have a rework I put my heart and soul into, but we will not talk about it here. Anyways, I hope whatever happens to Legion, it will be something people will stop complaining about.
So complaints of ppl are relevant now? Killer Acceleration buff to stop palletlooping when?
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@Iceman said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/362658#Comment_362658
A power like Legion needs a skill. That way it feels rewarding as the killer. And as a survivor you know how to play against the weakness.
wraith rework when by this logic.
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@Kaalaxi said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/362658#Comment_362658
I agree but its not about making legion more skillfull its about making sure that you can't just whiff 5 times and still land a hit even after the survivor window techs and 360's. That's just ridiculous..
Making Legion's frenzy end with a miss would make him like hillbilly except there's no oneshot involved and the cooldown is way worse.
So a ######### version of nurse....gotcha.
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@Claudette_Baguette said:
I got another Legion daily and it took me 2 games to apply 4 deep wounds on different survivors because the first team immediately disconnected and I farmed with 2 remaining guys of the second team...
I payed for this DLC to be able to play the killer, this is unacceptable!
Upside is that deranged pursuit is incredibly easy while farming lol
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@BACKSTABBER said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/362653#Comment_362653
Only noob legions got pallet'ed
Maybe try having better reflexes. He has to go for you, not the other way around.
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@Dwight_Fairfield said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/362241#Comment_362241
No its not. Because you don't owe anyone in the game anything. Survivors are not entitled to survive. Killers are not entitled to kills. Players are not obligated morally or otherwise to endure a whole match they are not enjoying just so the other survivors have a better shot at surviving. Your one and only concern is your own enjoyment within the rules of the game, of course.
I cannot explain it any more than I have already. You don't agree. Fine. Then not discussing it any further is a good idea. There's only so many times you can make the same point. As the saying goes you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.
Imagine ppl like that infesting games like League with no Penalty, they would be unplayable. Glad that only a minority thinks like this.
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There's no need to make legion more "skillful", we don't need every killer in this game to have a high skillcap just because some streamers who are bored out of their mind with over 7000 hours of play think so.
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@BACKSTABBER said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/362623#Comment_362623
No no, there is nothing you can do to counter the Legion unless the player killer is very bad
Pallet into the face, Just lose LoS and use stuff like dance with me. Ofc all this doesn't work if he hit you first and has bloodhound but then again you won't lose any killer using bloodhound anyways.
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@Mc_Harty said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/362619#Comment_362619
Oh look, a brick wall that doesn't learn how to read.
oh look somebody who uses adhominem disguised as attacking the killer in every single post becaue he can't face the fact that DBD is a casualgame and is braindead in most cases anyways.
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@Orion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/362617#Comment_362617
Not the devs, just the people who want the Legion removed. If they're trying to take unilateral decisions to deprive customers of the items they bought regardless of what anyone else thinks, then they can pay for it themselves.
Okay, I'm awaiting my 5 dollars+15€/hour*60 (900€) refund paid for by the community, then I'm okay with cancelling out legion.
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@Mc_Harty said:
People have talked left and right about why Legion is terrible for this game. There's nothing to discuss that hasn't already been mentioned.
Rework his power so he becomes better at what he's supposed to do and make him actually have risk when using his power. Anyone opposed to this idea shows that they do not understand why the majority hates the Legion.
He. Is. Brain-Dead.
"Runs around a T-wall or Pallet"
Legion so brainded, DBD takes so much skill herpdiderp.
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@Orion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/362606#Comment_362606
Read the rest of his comments.
For the record, I'd support removing the Legion if everyone who wants them removed now would pay for the refund.
Yeah, how would the devs refund me my hours I put into this killer? No thx.
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@BACKSTABBER said:
The easiest way to fix the Legion:
Step 1: Remove the Legion
Step 2: Refund the shards/iridescent coins
Step 3: Apologize to your customers (us)
And what about the ppl that enjoy playing the legion?
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@Orion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/362586#Comment_362586
By design, you are not able to hold off a killer indefinitely. It's the same for every single killer.
What is it with survivors thinking they should be able to 1v1 a killer in a 1v4 game, I don't get this.
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@tt_ivi_99 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/362552#Comment_362552
Nono, Im not talking about how to beat him, Im talking about how to not get down by him, which is something you can do against any other killer. Start.
You WILL go down against any competent nurse or clown no matter how good you are at looping/juking.
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Nah the other guy who thinks legion having either 300% ms or 132% ms would be the same.
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@Orion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/362561#Comment_362561
Three years, actually.
You're discussing with somebody who has a racist username, just a heads up.
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@George_Soros said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/362547#Comment_362547
Split. Run. Break line of sight while he's in FF. And genrush.
You're welcome. Don't trouble yourself explaining why these don't work. These DO work. That is not equal to saying these ALWAYS work, they can be difficult of course. But that's the point: difficult is good, easy is bad.
You forgot knowing when to slam a pallet in their face.
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@DocFabron said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/362450#Comment_362450
How can a survivor lagswitch? Thats possible?
He only lagged when he was right out in the open and almost teleported, right after he deadharded he stopped lagging.
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@tt_ivi_99 said:
1: Why does everyone think that he should lose his power when he misses an attack? Just because Tru3 said that it doesnt mean it's right. His power is meant to hit a survivor and go for multiple other, this change would take away that because you'd have to be more careful, therefore lose time while other survivors run away from you. This would take away the only fun aspect of this killer. Also, why should he be able to reset his power duration if he hits an injured survivor? You just made It worse for survivors to defend themselves, even if he wipes his weapon he would catch up in no time.
2: I like the idea of not being a bleedout timer, but survivors wont heal anyway if that's the case, unless he has 115% movement speed.
3: That's already in the game.
There is a simple way to fix this character, for the love of god give him 115% movement speed and make his power non-lethal, that's it. Even if he ends up being top tier killer fue to his new speed (which is not a problem, I dont see why devs dont want to give us a Billy Tier killer) I dont care, at least he wont be getting downs for free.
So basically a wraith/fast addon freddy with nothing else. sounds ridiculously boring.
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The only things legion needs:
Make Franklin's Mixtape Ultra rare.
take away the lunge from his M2 but give him WAY more speed and a bit more duration on his frenzy, this would highten his skillcap a bit because u'd actually have to hit.
Give him 115% ms this would highten his skillcap because you could actually properly mindgame and counterloop.
There fixed most of his problems (except the buttons being useless ofc)
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Blindness needs to be removed as it's negated by SWF anyways. We need more things that work against the best survivors, we don't need more things to stomp solos