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I still think Clown is worse. But Legion is definitely a close second.
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@HectorBrando said:
His power is not meant to down survivors, its supposed to stall the game by having them mending, by having the gauge deplete unless running or mending you are forcing people to mend instead of working on gens while on Terror Radius making it a better stalling tool than before.
It's not a better stalling tool when they literally nerfed the Mend time.
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Community : how many times do you want to buff BT ?
Devs : Yes.
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If he doesn't get nerfed too hard, Oni will be better than Plague.
But Plague is better than Myers hands down. Plague has a better early game, she counters all stealth and healing perks and items ( and with Iron Will, Adrenaline and Medkits being so popular this is kinda big ) and she also has a crazy snow ball with a correctly used Apple and Infectious Fright. Plus, she can force survivors cleanse with a stall or agresive build, while Myers can just ... get rekt by Spine Chill and survivors who finish 3-4 gens before he gets to EW3.
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@Weederick said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/883217#Comment_883217
What if i say, that THEIR point is irrelevant because I say so? Its a useless circle, just take opinions as opinions, none of us knows the objective tierlist. Its time to make your own point. Play every killer at red ranks for a season and you'll know what your personal tierlist is.
Then why are you here saying out loud that she's still best and everyone should just gid gud on her and also bragging the streamers who either says that she's still the best despite never playing her or do decent with her, even if they would do decent with every killer.
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@Weederick said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/883179#Comment_883179
But they all say that Nurse is still the strongest. Every sane killermain will tell you that. You dont have to main a killer to evaluate the tierspot, especially if they're coming from flex killermains. Like i said, make your own opinion by playing every killer in the red ranks. Then you know how strong killers are in relation to nurse.
This is not true. I know a lot of killers mains who played Nurse and other killers in red ranks who don't consider Nurse the best killer anymore. So your point is again irrelevant.
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@Weederick said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/883110#Comment_883110
The best impression is playing every killer yourself. Play every killer, try to master every toptier killer and then you know yourself, how strong they are. A lot of killerplayers who do that, will come to similar conclusions on who is toptier at high ranks. If you lack experience in other toptier killers, you may not know how strong Nurse is in comparison.
If all the main killer streamers cant convince you, that nurse is the strongest, then you dont listen to the best and most experienced killer players in this game. Have your opinion, but dont expect experienced players to agree.
Tru3 thinks Ghost Face and Wraith are top tier and better than Billy. I heard him saying that Ghost Face is better than Nurse too. Definitely we should all listen to him.
OhTofu never mastered Nurse. He barely played her. His opinion about her is pretty irelevant.
I don't know about Marth tier list or if he even has one at least, but I know he disagreed with Nurse's base kit nerfs in PTB.
I don't know what Zubat thinks, but he also doesn't seem to play Nurse often from what I saw when I checked his streams. Even before her nerf he didn't play her all that much.
So even "the best streamers" can have flawed opinions. They are not Gods.
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@Weederick said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/883004#Comment_883004
The important part is that you dont have to use the ability without cooldown in order to succeed. You can wait 3 seconds if you miss a double blink and try again. You lose half a metre in that time, so you're not unable to catch up. All it does, is affect the time efficiency of nurse. Which was too high, since every successful juke only gained you 3s until the next blink. Now survivors gain around 6s for a successful juke. Which is much more balanced for a killer as strong as nurse and a potential hit every 6s is still S-tier in DbD.
Btw i always play killers addonless, including nurse, so the change doesnt feel as impactful to me. And if i compare all the killers powerlevel, she is still at the very top.
If you want proof right now, look at every big killer streamer, they're still 4k'ing regularly with Nurse. Tru3, Zubat, OhTofu etc are all very successfull with her and still consider her the strongest.
I dont see any real argument as to why her basekit should be reverted from a balance standpoint. The only argument boils down to not having fun, which is subjective. Sucks if you cant enjoy her now, but thats not reason to balance around that.
OhTofu : He almost never plays Nurse and when I saw him playing Nurse on PTB, he did so against mediocre survivors on a laggy server.
Zubatlel : He just posted a video where he played Nurse with both range add-ons, however, the survivors from his match did horrible mistakes ( Bill running into him when he was in fatigue, Dwight getting hit and then grabbed instantly from a window ).
Tru3 : He almost never played Nurse after her nerf and when he did so, he either needed to use her best add-ons to barely win with 1 gen left or he was even defeated when he got a map like Hawkins.
Marth : I heard that he also consistently 4ks with Clown, which is arguably the worst killer in the game and he also was not happy with the nerfs to the base kit Nurse.
So none of their Nurses impressed me or made me think that she's still the best.
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Ghost Face is a decent killer, but no way he is top 3 ( remember, Tru3 only says that Ghost Face is top 3 because most of the time he plays agaisnt survivors who Self Care against his anti healing build ). I would place him around 7th place on a tier list.
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See the full side of the glass.
At least no one complains about Nurse anymore.
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I feel like Demogorgon might be better than Myers power wise, but Myers has better perks and more play styles with his add-ons, so you should get him.
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If I get banned because of this, it's your fault.
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@BunnyTheHutt said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/875747#Comment_875747
There's no penalty for when it's broken in 10 seconds because a survivor spawned on it, except the penalty for the killer for loosing the gamble.
That's correct, but I still don't see it worse than Corrupt.
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Myers tends to get overrated quite a bit, especially after Undetectable was added to his EW1, now Spine Chill and even OoO ( I know OoO doesn't show his aura in EW1, but OoO still lights up when you are looking into the direction of an undetectable killer, so you still know the general direction of that killer ) kinda ruins him. I think Plague is miles better than him, especially with the right snowball/stall build.
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@GrootDude said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/875649#Comment_875649
I can find hiding survivors in that time span, is there a penalty to ruin when it gets cleansed at the start of the game or within 30 seconds? Pretty much a wasted perk slot.
At least Ruin gives a penalty, unlike Corrupt ...
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If Night Shroud is active, he doesn't have a TR. But when NS is inactive, you have a TR and red stain even while you are crouched.
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@GrootDude said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/875634#Comment_875634
But corrupt forces the survivors to get closer to me or hide so I waste less time walking to the other side of the map.
If you don't find any survivors in that span of time because they hide, you just made the game start 2 minutes later, so you pretty much need Whispers for that not to happen. So they got closer to you, and what ? You can still chase only 1 survivor at a time while the other 3 do gens without any penalty.
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@GrootDude said:
@Marcus as @Boosted_Dwight said, I always feel encouraged to split up when ruin is up because I can’t rely on everyone’s ability to hit Hex skill checks.
Corrupt Intervention only affects 3 gens, while the other 4 can be done without than penalty. Ruin affects all gens and it's useful even if survivors hit all the great skill checks.
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@GrootDude said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/875566#Comment_875566
But if they’re good then they’d split up regardless of ruin or corrupt and wouldn’t be 3-gening themselves, perks don’t stop good survivors from splitting up.
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/875563#Comment_875563
And how often does Ruin last longer than corrupt? Not very often.
You're right that good survivors will split up regardless, but you shouldn't equip a perk that literally helps survivors to do that.
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@GrootDude said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/875527#Comment_875527
If they’re so good then they’d do that with ruin up.🤔 I won’t have to waste as much time patrolling while corrupt is up.
Except that Ruin doesn't force them to split up or prevent a possible 3 gen strat, as Corrupt does.
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Spirit's nerfs aren't even live yet and people already started to call for Freddy's nerfs. It's not like we didn't see this coming tho.
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@GrootDude said:
Overrated: Ruin, most survivors can power through it nowadays so it is hardly worth it unless you have nothing else.
Self-care, it is a time waster against killers who are good a managing time.
Underrated: Corrupt Intervention, y’all are thinking about this the wrong way, CI forces survivors to either hide or get close to you. Better than ruin btw.
Second Wind, if you heal another survivor then after you’re unhooked, you can freely do gens while getting healed.
Corrupt Intervention isn't better than Ruin, it literally helps good survivors to split up the gens and gen rush you more efficiently.
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The new Oni's perk, Zanshin Tactics, begs to differ.
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@LordGlint said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/874536#Comment_874536
Thanatophia seems like a no brainer on Plague since if ANY killer can get the most out of it, it would be her. I do feel like she can make good use out of other perks though instead of full slowdown build. PWYF works really nice on her as well a infectious fright. With everyone being 1 shot-able, using monitor to close in on them before they have time to beeline it to a strong structure can also be handy. I feel like going with the approach of slowing the game down enough so I can break EVERY pallet on the map...is kinda just unimaginative,
I go with your logic here and say that Thanatophobia, even when stacked with Dying Light, barely does anything other than affect survivors psychologically by turning the bar from gens red. Dying Light only starts to mean anything at 4-5 stacks, but you already got a good amount of hooks and pressure, you don't really need that slow down unless you go for a 3 gen strat. And yeah, Monitor and Abuse + Infectious Fright are very strong on Plague, especially with an Apple, you can snow ball really hard with that single corrupted pool and force survivors to cleanse. I especially want to see how good Blood Echo and Nemesis + Play With Your Food are gonna be on Plague.
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Most slow down builds are laughable. Even on Plague I started to doubt the "Thanatophobia + Dying Light" combo.
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Survivor :
Overrated : Spine Chill. Too many people who claim that this perk is Godlike, when it's just a ok perk and nothing more. Prayer Beads is getting nerfed next week and you can counter stealth killers pretty easily even without Spine Chill.
Underrated : Hmm, not sure here. Maybe Detective's Hunch ? That perk pretty much kills every Hex perk after the first gen was done and has very good sinergy with Inner Stenght. Flip Flop could become really good too if Oni becomes popular after his release.
Killer :
Overrated : Corrupt Intervention and Discordance. Both perks rely on survivors misplays and do next to nothing against good teams.
Underrated : Surveillance. The best gen defense perk with less counter than Barbecue and Chilli.
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Best way to win with Legion : play someone else.
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Ghost Face can be break out from stealth and without add-ons, he has a 30 seconds cooldown on his ability. 30 seconds where he is a M1 killer without a power. And 30 seconds are huge in this game.
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Devs confirmed that these stats don't represent a balance point in DbD.
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Black Incense base kit would be way too strong. 5% Hindered status effect or 10% gen de buff could work as an extra motivation for survivors to cleanse, but you already can force survivors to cleanse with the right build and play style.
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@Weederick said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/867213#Comment_867213
Well thats just your opinion. We dont know about the pickrate changes, so you're making up things. And plenty of people still like to play her, you salty nurse leavers just dont admit it. "Everyone who has fun with her, doesnt play her" is their only argument and a childish one. I started playing her again after the nerfs, since she was busted before. Its INCREDIBLE, how ######### strong you are as Nurse. I dont get the balance complaints at all, she is still by far the strongest.
She is not by far the strongest, especially not without add-ons.
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Peanits just confirmed that Nurse won't get changes soon. So please come back in 2025.
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@Usui said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/866199#Comment_866199
All of them that are purple +, even some of the greens are to strong imo.
Z Block OP LOOOOOL.
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@Pulsar said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/865956#Comment_865956
Oh? Bringing ad-ons into the mix? Myers with J. Myers Memorial and Dead Rabbit with M&A.
That is a 4 meter TR, plus you still get EWIII.
That is way better than Plague.
I highly doubt it. Nothing Myers has is better than Plague with Apple and Infectious Fright/Black Incense. Plague also can stall the game much better than Myers with her builds. Plus, against good survivors, you won't get more than 1 down with EW3.
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@Pulsar said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/865852#Comment_865852
Yes, he does. Nobody cleanses against the Plag, you can still get looped for days if the Survivor knows what they are doing.
You can loop just as easily an EW3 Myers. And I don't care if survivors don't cleanse when I bring an Apple and Infectious Fright/Black Incense, most of the time survivors not cleansing make the Plague's job much easier if she knows what she's doing.
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@Pulsar said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/864990#Comment_864990
I don't think so, Myers has way better snowball.
No, he doesn't. Plague also has better tracking, better stall, better add-ons and counters a lot of survivors perks and items. Myers is kinda outdated and his kit is lacking, especially after he got Undetectable in his EW1.
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I need to go with Surveillance as well.
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@JakeDaSnake said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/865300#Comment_865300
I mean it counters it to a certain degree a good ghostface once he knows you have spine chill can just moon walk so it doesn't proc which makes that perk useless happened to my friend when versing pig the pig figured out he had spine chill and moon walked while crouched until he got close enough
Good luck figuring out that a survivor has Spine Chill. And moonwalking won't work against OoO or just good survivors awareness.
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No, he is far from OP. Add-on reliant, map reliant, his stealth gets countered by Spine Chill and Object of Obsession ( I know OoO doesn't reveal his aura anymore, but it still lights up when you look in the direction of Ghost Face, so you still know his general direction ).
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@Awakey said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/864121#Comment_864121
Wraiths map pressure was the deciding factor.
Still, I don't see Plague any lower than the top of B tier. Definitely higher than Myers.
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Good list. But Plague lower than Wraith is completely unnaceptable.
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@ahandfulofrain said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/863891#Comment_863891
Actually it's the most accurate you can get because there are no other factors to consider.
But again, it's irrelevant when no one plays without perks or add-ons in a competitive match.
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A killer tier list which doesn't include perks or add-ons is completely irrelevant because nobody plays like this unless they challenge themselves. So I can't even judge properly your tier list because of that.
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@Aven_Fallen said:
Just wanna mention it:
With BL nerfed, the Structures are fine. I mean, people are complaining about Haddonfield, but that will be fixed with the BL Nerf. As well as Grim Pantry, Crotus Prenn... No problem here anymore, all fixed, BL is nerfed, the Maps are now balanced.
At least this is what I will write in every Thread complaining about one of those Maps.
Crotus Prenn Asylum is nowhere near fixed, that building is easily abuseable even without BL.
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Spirit is the real Queen now. Especially because her nerfs don't seem to affect her as much as Nurse's nerfs.
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@anarchy753 said:
She's fine with me. I'm a pretty casual Nurse player and still managed to whip out a 4k on blood lodge with brown add ons, including her flannel just to see how it worked.
It was good fun.
At this point it's just people protesting that they DARED touch their overpowered win-stick.
Blood Lodge is a very good map for Nurse tho.
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Idk, he feels pretty underwhelming. Not a weak killer, but also not that great either.
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@Liruliniel said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/861655#Comment_861655
Just seemed like you were as you made sure to point out her weakness without even mentioning or realizing he has the same ones.
Ya a lot of Huntress just DC if they dont like the map. It's harder to secure a kill if your not experienced with her. A lot of those Huntress Main Streamers also need to be a legit 4k or they get mad. Try watching Umbra and Zubat more. Even tho I have slowly diminishing respect for Scott Jund anymore because of his continuing crusade against Spirit. I've never seen him drop a match with Huntress like some of the other streamers.
I dont agree and that's perfectly fine with me. I think Billy is inferior to Huntress. The things she does well or even mediocre excel above him in the same categories.
I watch Umbra and Zubatlel and they still DC on bad maps and complain about map design and Umbra even asks for buffs to Huntress. But it's ok, we don't need to agree, I just don't think Huntress is really that great.
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I see a lot of killers who are worse than her. She is either a Infinite Evil Within Myers which counters all stealth and healing perks and items or a Huntress on steroids. She has insane add-ons and has very good stall and snow ball potential with the right build.
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Ruin, Pop, Infectious Fright, Monitor and Abuse, BBQ, Surveillance, Thanatophobia and Dying Light are good perks on her. Maybe even the new Oni's perk, Blood Echo, might become really good on her too.