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@Waffleyumboy said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/956403#Comment_956403
I still see mostly Freddy. Is this a console or pc tier list? On console nurse is d and on pc she is s.
PC. I don't think any killer is S tier now. Best is A tier.
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@Waffleyumboy said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/956378#Comment_956378
Okay trapper and legion are seriously underrated. Hag us not top 4 material, while Freddy is. You can't say Freddy isn't top 4 when you see him a lot in red ranks.
Actually, I didn't see as many Freddy in red ranks after his add-ons nerf. Plus, by your logic, Nurse is one of the worst killers in the game, because I barely see her in red ranks.
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@Waffleyumboy said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/956329#Comment_956329
Switch Hag and Freddy, bump up GF one tier at least, bump up trapper, bump up legion to one tier below PLAG.
Top 4 is kinda set in stone for me and Trapper and Legion really are in need of buffs ( or rework in Legion's case ), so I can't put them any higher than that.
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@GrootDude said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/956329#Comment_956329
I already know why you think bubba and Trapper are bad but I am curious, why the pig and Myers rating?
Myers and Pig got consistency changes ( aka nerfs ) when they were already pretty mediocre and they didn't get anything in return yet. I also heard from Myers mains that he is very buggy currently because of Dedicated Servers, which made him drop even more in my tier list. Also, both are outclassed by Ghost Face now.
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His power acts as a free hit, but you won't get anything else against smart survivors who either spread out, either use Sprint Burst. He has very bad add-ons and very bad sinergy too. I would say you are better with playing with almost any other killer in terms of effectiveness at getting kills.
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I'd go with this :
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I wouldn't say it's bad, but Spine Chill is definitely overrated. It's an ok perk, but there are much better perks than Spine Chill.
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I see a good amount of Self Cares users lately. But these type of survivors are the only ones who make Tru3's builds on Ghost Face and Wraith look "viable against 1% survivors", so I don't know why people keep using that perk.
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@Acesthetiic said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/954750#Comment_954750
I’ve seen it as well. The smarter ones will cleanse at a pool furthest away from the Plague, making her waste as much time as possible to collect it.
You don't need to get out of your way to get Corrupt Purge. Just keep infecting them and go to a closer pool when you have someone on the hook, so they must go for the safe while you have Corrupt Purge.
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@Nonfunctional said:
No one running thana on Plague?
Too weak even on her, survivors will just power through it. Plus, I started to see more survivors cleansing against Plague even in red ranks, so Thana really lost its value even on her.
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Plague : Ruin, Infectious Fright, Play With Your Food and Nemesis.
Hag : Ruin, A Nurse's Calling, Sloppy Butcher, Save The Best For Last.
Huntress : Ruin, Barbecue and Chilli, A Nurse's Calling, Deerstalker.
Trapper : Ruin, Barbecue and Chilli, Enduring, Spirit Fury.
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Yes, she needs a buff. She needs 100% crouch speed, a little bit more range on her Dash and better add-ons.
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I would drop Nurse in A, Freddy and Ghost Face in B, Huntress in C and Clown in D or even E/F as the worst killer in the game.
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Sincerely, I barely see people running Dead Hard anymore. I guess it's because of Dedicated Servers.
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@Primalux135 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/948859#Comment_948859
Thats the thing legion is made to separate survivors 🤦🏻♂️ Separate em and u will win.
lf you separate survivors they will win, survivors being split up and working on different gens means they can gen rush you efficiently.
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I won't change your mind, I think she is a top 5 killer.
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@Sonzaishinai said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/948729#Comment_948729
If you are seriously saying that survivors vomiting is a beter tracking tool then killer instinct that litterly shows you where survivors are then you clearly haven't played Legion enough to reach a solid conclusion on your own
And it doesn't matter that Plague becomes an unstoppable monster when survivors cleanse if they never cleanse
She is an tall m1 killer that leaves everyone wounded and louder and that's about it
Legion is an m1 killer that either leaves everyone wounded or makes them waste tons of time healing, can pressure multiple survivors and straight up know where survivors are and is short so mindgames are easier with them
I thought they were bad too first, i still played with them, i watch others play with them, and i reached the conclussion that they are far from bad
I don't like putting killers in a tierlist but if i had to Legion wouldn't even be bottom 5 probably
Yes, it is a better tracking tool than Legion when Legion tracking tool is useless if survivors split up. Why did you mention the fountains which instant heal survivors if then you say that survivors never cleanse, which pretty much made your first argument useless ? I like when survivors don't cleanse, they are very easy to down when using the PWYF + Nemesis combo, which is stronger on Plague than on Legion because Plague doesn't lose PWYF stacks when damaging survivors with Vile Purge. Also, Plague's add-ons are just so much better than Legion's add-ons.
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Most people, myself included, agree that both need nerfs.
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@Sonzaishinai said:
Legion is no where near the weakest killer in the game, they are a lot better then people give them credit
I mean isn't Legion already just a better Plague? They can injure people faster and don't give them an instant heal at the end of the game
You can deffinitivly do well with them in rank 1, sure that 1 game against the optimal swf with coms are going to be insanly hard but against normal survivors you can win if you're good enough
Plague has better tracking, cancel all tracking and stealth perks and when survivors cleanse, she becomes a Huntress on crack. She's far better than Legion.
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I can't change your mind, because I agree.
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People don't play her anymore so there is no reason to complain about her.
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I think it would be enough if devs would make Moris useable only after hooking all 4 survivors.
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I don't think she would be OP with 115% speed, tho I don't know if this is the buff she needs. But she really needs something to compensate for the map design which kills her, she's on the weaker side right now.
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@Aven_Fallen said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/115586/about-the-nurse-nerf
First of all, the words "toxic" and "coordinated" do not have to be named one after another. A coordinated SWF is not toxic, just because the Killer might lose the game.
And well, the good Nurses are still playing. But yeah, I dont see that guys anymore who only played Nurse with Omegablink or Three Blink with Range Add-On, this is correct. Basekit Nurse was not fine, there were Nurses which only equipped one or even no Perk and no Add On, how can this be fine, when every other Killer in the game (maybe with the exception of Spirit) has to struggle to find 4 Perks, which will help out the most?
And even with new Nurse, I have seen two Nurse players who only used BBQ and were winning the game quite comfortable. Sure, maybe before not 4 Gens would have been done, but still. She is the best Killer.
I saw players winning with old Freddy at red ranks without perks or add-ons or with meme builds and they won this way multiple times. So your argument is flawed.
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Favorite killer : Plague
Build : Play With Your Food, Nemesis, Ruin and Pop/Monitor and Abuse/Deerstalker.
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Legion's power.
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@NMCKE said:
Okay, you want me to change your mind?
Challenge Accepted
I equipped Infantry Belt and Iridescent Hatchets at
purple ranks, this is what happened after I downed the entire 3-Man SWF with my hatchets.https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/879/SMHPFJQKWRIA.jpg
The Nancy didn't DC, so we just farmed for the entire match and he completed his generator challenge. ❤
Obviously, facing a Huntress with Iridescent Hatchets and Infrantry Belt is not fun nor balanced at all. Therefore, since the picture proves my point, a change to Iridescent Hatchet is a must.
Iridescent Hatchets
The strength of this hatchet shakes in the hands of the Huntress.
When you hit a target, you will regain a hatchet.
Restocking in Lockers will now grant you one hatchet instead of granting you all of your hatchets.
I saw red ranks survivors DCing against post-nerf Legion and Clown. So for you this is prove that they are broken ?
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Avoid his ultra rares and go for everything else.
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@ASurvkillivorer said:
Plague better than Ghost? LOL
Try out No stalk Ghost and rethink that.
People acting like weak killers need nerfs is why I can't be too much of a regular.
No stalk Ghost Face is still an add-on and map reliant killer which gets completely countered by certain perks. I don't see how he's any better than Plague.
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@silverwolf4455 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/942491#Comment_942491
You dont stalk with GF.. nurses and sloppy and he has insta downs... and Freddy has a lot of map pressure with his teleport and you can stack his snares around strong loops and force the pallet or get a hit.
Meanwhile I'm just gonna loop the plague into oblivion because there is no real reason to cleanse. I figure out she's running the nemesis/pwf combo it's easy counter just like spirit fury/enduring drop the pallet early.
Looping a 130% speed killer whi has an instant down, good luck, LOL. She still can get a Nemesis proc untill you found out that she's running that build and she still can find her obsession later on and get PWYF stacks, it's really not hard to find people with Plague when they are so loud due to sickness. Your Ghost Face gets completely rekt by Spine Chill, Adrenaline and We'll Make It and Freddy's Snares barely do anything, you literally need to spam for them to do something, while his teleport has a 5 seconds tell, so most of the time you will only be able to use it for PGTW uses.
So yeah, Plague > Ghost Face and Freddy.
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@Haku said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/942961#Comment_942961
It is not just the one shot .. It is the fact it is a range atack. Good huntress will hit you and she will do it from far. I've been hit on a gen from across the map just from a BBQ aura spotting
Both, long range hatchets and BBQ can be easily countered.
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Huntress Lullaby definitely needs a buff.
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Devs literally just reverted some of his old nerfs and then added more nerfs to "compensate". He is not any stronger than before and he is still easily the second worst killer in the game after Clown.
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@silverwolf4455 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/940259#Comment_940259
5th best... idk about all that... she's alright but not strong. I can't see her being stronger than, spirit, nurse, billy, GF or Freddy. And as for the rest idk..
I definitely see her above Freddy and Ghost Face, especially with the new combo between Nemesis and Play With Your Food, where she doesn't lose stacks of PWYF by damaging survivors with Vile Purge. Ghost Face has a very inconsistent power which gets countered by awareness and Spine Chill and has a long cooldown without add-ons on top of that. Freddy's Snares are really not that good despite how much people praise them and while his gen teleport is very good, it has quite a long cooldown too and Freddy's snowball potential and add-ons are far worse than Plague.
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Plague with Play With Your Food, Nemesis, Black Incense and Vile Emetic/Apple is just really, really dirty. A Ebony Mori on top of that is the icing on the cake.
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I think she's fine the way she is. I started to see much more survivors cleansing against Plague even in red ranks, the matches where everyone just stays broken are not as common anymore, especially with the new combo between Play With Your Food and Nemesis which really incentivizes cleansing agaisnt Plague. Honestly, I think she's the 5th best killer right now ( especially because of the new combo I mentioned ).
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No, Legion isn't meta and the fact you get Merciless with him means nothing when Legion is the best killer to get pips with, you can get a 0 or 1 kill and still pip with him. Also, your build really doesn't seem that good and you pretty much play Legion as a weaker Plague, because that what Legion really is.
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At least wait untill we know about all the details of his changes, ok ?
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Oh, I forgot to add the survivors perks :
Overrated : Spine Chill, easily. And I still see too many people running Self Care, so I think people start to overrate it again.
Underrated : Detective's Hunch is really nice now, literally kills every Hex totem and is very good in combo with Inner Stenght.
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Disocordance is really overrated. I legit saw another match where it did literally nothing.
Corrupt Intervention is also overrated. Depending of the blocked gens spawn it can hinder you and help the survivors instead by avoiding a 3 gen strat. People compare it with Ruin, but there is honestly nothing to compare, this perk hardly slows down the game at all.
Surveillance is underrated, it's probably a better tracking perk than Barbecue and Chilli. Really good on mobility and stealth killers and you can't really counter it. Also, the Surveillance + Surge combo makes Surge not that awful ( but it still needs a buff ).
Infectious Fright doesn't seem to be used as much as it should be, but I think people acknowledged how strong this perk is, especially on certain killers. And Haunted Ground can be really dirty too, but it's kinda situational.
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I wouldn't mind a buff, she's kinda weak now because of all the bad maps that screw her over.
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The chances that you are gonna proc MoM more than once are very low. Even for just 1 proc you practically need to ######### and your team for it. So not worth it in my opinion.
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LOL I laugh when I read the Iri Head suggestion 😁.
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I would say that there are better perks to use than these 2, but Whispers is better than Deerstalker in most cases.
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You don't buff it, you rework it. This perk is either too strong, either too weak.
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Well, I think sounds are broken again in this patch and because of that, less people play Spirit and that's why you don't see people complaining about her anymore.
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Legion isn't anywhere near close to a real meta killer, no matter what build you throw on him.
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I like Iri Head + NOED, makes survivors so salty, it's insane. They get salty at NOED even if they DC when 5 gens are still up 😂.
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How long is Snaping Out of It ? Because I saw survivors opening gates with Deep Wounds and they still had a good chunk of their Deep Wounds timer.
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Eh, I see the occasional 1-2 Nurses, but nothing more.