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@WolfyWood said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3786776#Comment_3786776
Killer bots would be preferable to a vast majority of the killer playerbase.
Bhvr can't implement then fast enough.
That would be a nice touch. For every game you ragequit out, you have to play a match with 4 bots.
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I'd say try something different. As a killer player I'll swap to a different killer, play some survivor games (of which I'm terrible), or even just play something else if I start getting stressed after afew matches. I bounce back and forth between this and Warframe alot, which is a pretty chill experience for me.
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Really depends on context. If I see someone going for a save and I can intercept that... I'll do that. I'm applying pressure on a survivor while his teammate is hanging around not on gens. If I notice a survivor is about to go to the next hook stage... I might hang around for 10 seconds to prevent a last second save.
If we were to compare this to sports, this is simply playing defense. While both sides COULD ignore defense and focus on scoring as many goals as possible within the alloted time, having someone play goalie to block a shot isn't the craziest idea in the world and definitely shouldn't be considered someone being toxic and ruining fun.
In short...context I'd everything. If someone is beating someone down on the hook... that's obviously not helping them win. There ARE times however when abit of camping is the smart play. Just like you wouldn't condemn a goalie for blocking shots and say "If you had the skill to just score points really fast, you wouldn't need to do something so lame", you shouldnt really be taking that approach when a killer makes a smart play to block a save attempt.
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@Calebs_tobacco said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3785225#Comment_3785225
Id you also get the game when it was free on Ps plus
Yup
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I was able to setup progression between my PC account and my Ps plus account. You should be fine.
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@Devil_hit11 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3784680#Comment_3784680
His default movement speed is 4.6 m/s. His tier 1 special ability is that he gets decreased movement speed to 105%, lunge opening time decreased from 0.5 →0.2 but is granted undetectable status effect.
The writing is screwed up... I fully understand what each tier gives. In no way is it possible for this to be his "base stats" while also making the writen portion for each tier also true.
While it DOES say he moves slower in T1, it also says decreased TR in T2 and moves faster. While we CAN imply they meant faster than T1 rather than faster than his base speed (the listed 4.6) ... that wouldn't make sense for the TR. All this also doesn't even mention the vault speed boost.
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@arcaneGospel said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3719180#Comment_3719180
It is kind of weird that they gave Vecna a map and not Dracula, isn't it? Castlevania is much more known for its location—It's the name of the series, even, when I'm not confident the map for Vecna is even something from any official DnD content.
I'm pretty sure I remember hearing about a dungeon in DnD, lol.
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@Devil_hit11 said:
Michael has terror radius of 6, 16 and 32 for tier 1, tier 2 and tier 3 evil within however many years ago, The undetectable status effect did not exist. Michael was given undetectable status in tier 1. So his 6 tr becomes 0 TR. You had to use M&A to have 0 TR before Ghostface was added to the game.
This isn't showing his T1 stats though, otherwise the movement speed would be lower.
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Your settings on your console has nothing to do with your in game friends list. The DBD servers don't have access to your Playstation settings.
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All of a sudden you'll have alot more ppl concerned about DCes when you have Deathslinger bots who hit every shot in range.
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@WolfyWood said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3783605#Comment_3783605
Wesker and Nemesis are good examples of okay anti-loop.
Sprit and Deathslinger are pretty awful to play against.
The problem is excessive zoning due to lethality and ease of access. Scott mentioned 'you're not dodging you're getting lucky' and he's right. The counterplay being to hope the killer messes up or is bad, not the survivor being good, at least in chase.
Naturally these killers aren't overpowered because spread efficiency still defeats them, but that doesn't exclude them from being annoying.
Pre-Nerf Xenomorph was the same nonsense.
Prenerfed xenomorph was bugged, and the nerf didn't make it easier to dodge it's attack or anything... THATS exactly the same.
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@baharuto48 said:
It doesn't have to be a guarantee to get up. Slugging for 4k is bogus. Activate it for the last 2 survivors if needs be. Every match I have had today has been slug for 4k. It's bogus and a little over powered. 2 v 8 had a perk that let survivors pick themselves up and it didn't break anyone's game. I've got vids of killer players leaving 3 players on the ground to bleed out because they can. It's a QoL enhancement so I don't have to sit on my hands while an anonymous player gets their jollies. It's bogus. And if you're not hooking straight away because of players with flashlights, then go after them.
2v8 also took away flashlight/pallet saves, which is the big reasons why a killer would NEED to slug.
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@HEX_DEAD_BY_AI said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3730840#Comment_3730840
Haha, sometimes I also encounter a survivor who is too good at looping and t-bags, and then I don't care about gens anymore, I just want to kill him 😂. I don't camp and slug, but I tunnel him till the end. I feel it is fun, and I think he also feels that. Anw, he wanted me to chase him. In this case, it's a fair and fun game.
Had a survivor like this during 2v8. He kept doing a little T bag after every pallet. After his last down, I did a little killer hump for like 3 seconds before sending him on his way. 2 minutes later, I get a PS message saying "enjoy the ban".
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This would ironically buff NOED
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@Seraphor said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3782271#Comment_3782271
I thought this too.
With two killers and the potential for both killers to have 'stations', e.g. Pig and Freddy, you would have to reduce the number of stations to ensure there's enough capacity for both killers and chests to spawn.
So for Pig, have just three Jigsaw boxes spawn, and have survivors able to search boxes multiple times. You still get the RNG for how many searches are required, but if the killers are camping two of the boxes you can go to the third and use all your searches there.
But three is the mimum you could have due to having two killers. If that's too few, or if there are killers who need significantly more (Alien and it's tunnels for example) then I don't think stations are going to work at all.
The thing about being able to do all your searches on one box makes it so you get rid of 90% of the time extension the traps are there for to begin with. There's no travel time... Keep in mind, these maps are specifically altered for 2v8. There's no reason they couldn't simply add more places for stations to spawn.
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@Ayodam said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3781796#Comment_3781796
Someone had a 400 streak on Clown… and it seems every other killer has similar numbers. Not sure if they’re all playing to the full scope of their killer’s kit, but I think what’s damning is that a person can obtain such a kill rate without fully using a killer’s powers. It really speaks to how oppressive killers are.
For sure playing Pinky Finger Clown every match while slugging the 3rd survivor is going to result in alot of 4ks. It's also a bad indicator on 1) Clown's usual strength and 2) the hatch escape rate.
This thread was all about the Hatch, which basically never got to spawn in the Trapper matches being talked about because that individual claims he played as scummy as possible to get as many kills as possible. This isn't me saying he's scummy, that's his words.
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@lifestylee said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3781796#Comment_3781796
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vaR-9_Vjp3s&t=278s&pp=ygUVSGVucyAzMzMgbm8gdHVubmVsaW5n
Hens playing as trapper not using his power, not tunneling/camping and getting a 90% winrate i believe.
Others streamers tried this too with similar results.
I know he and maybe some other streamers are gonna be outliers in terms of skill but its not that its impossible to do.
Afew differences here... The fact the Trapper GOT traps shows he wasn't a highly skilled player challenging himself by not using his power. It shows he's unskilled at Trapper... but at the same time HIGHLY skilled killer. Also unlike Hens, he claimed to have done this with randomized perks.
This doesn't even touch the biggest reason this singular example shouldn't be used when discussing hatch escape rates (which was the point of the thread). Even if we believe this is 100% true... they themselves admitted they played in the scummiest ways to get as many kills as possible. The reason why the hatch escape rate is so low is because he slugged for the 4k every time... the hatch didn't spawn. The few escapes that DID occur can be explained by the 3rd survivor bleeding out.
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Gotta love how no one even mentions Legion.
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@jesterkind said:
While I do think it's worth pointing out these numbers can't really be verified and wouldn't be good proof of anything even if they were, I do like little anecdotes like this, they're interesting.
This also isn't that unsurprising of a result, frankly. If this player is good with Trapper and they're playing pub matches instead of coordinated and organised matches against the same opponents, they're going to be able to perform pretty well, no killer is unplayable in the current state of DBD until you start skewing the scenario towards top players and comp matches.
Though, something I find interesting here and want to bring up: I don't think "random builds" is as much of a downside as some think, here. Trapper is a versatile killer, he can make use of pretty much every perk archetype there is - he's a basic attack killer, he has a terror radius, he chases at normal speed and has to respect resources, he even has a way of protecting hexes. Whatever build this user rolled, there's a really high chance they got something Trapper was perfectly capable of making use of. There aren't that many terrible perks and their killer choice didn't make any otherwise-useful perks redundant or inoperable, so the random perks probably helped more than they hurt.
It's a neat thing to think about. I'd be tempted to do the same thing myself, honestly, though I'd probably allow myself addons for convenience lol. It'd be fun to try and make use of whatever I rolled, kinda like Chaos Shuffle in miniature.
The Strange thing about this data is it shows this killers WASNT skilled with Trapper at all. The average game got less than 2 traps. This isn't downs, this is simply survivors stepping in traps. This means the results were seeing is basically "Man with Knife".
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@Ayodam said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3781526#Comment_3781526
It doesn’t matter if he played the killer as M1 primarily. That argument is akin to saying “well, he mori’d people instead of hooking them when they were on death hook.” How the survivors fall is irrelevant. You’re splitting hairs. Why?
The entire thing is super suspicious is all. Usually when someone does really well, it's due to their mastery over the killer's power. This shows the polar opposite, almost as if the person trying to make up an impressive, yet reasonable spreadsheet has no clue what normal Trapper gameplay is like. There's 0 actual footage to go with a random spreadsheet that is taken as fact.
I know there's much more impressive killrates than this, but... that's typically due to a Billy getting alot of value from his saw, a Huntress from her hatchets, etc. This however doesn't really add up. I can believe you'll have some teams that play horribly, but not to the extent that after 200 games of slaughtering teams you haven't boosted your MMR enough to go against teams who can handle "Man with knife" with random perks who apparently deleted the gamescript for the hatch entirely.
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@versacefeng said:
I kinda like it but i wish the noise during it was turned down. It makes it so hard to hear everything else that's going on.
The loud noise no matter where you are is kind of odd. You could be next to the hook or on the other side of the map... same volume. Between this and the black bubble that blocks visuals...
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@Aven_Fallen said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3781651#Comment_3781651
Sure. Then get a Dev in.
I'm going to hold you to that the next time stats or a Q&A gets dropped. While I highly doubt this will work... @Mandy Can you give us some insight on if the average hatch escape rate for games that get to 1 person left alive is anywhere close to 2%?
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@Aven_Fallen said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3781637#Comment_3781637
I dont play SoloQ, I play Survivor only as a 2 man SWF. And yes, I watch almost every game until the end, since either myself or my SWF-Mate are still alive.
Now you can start yapping about Trapper-games again.
YYap Yap Yap Trapper
If a dev told you the normal percentage of Hatch Escapes is drastically higher than 2% for games that reach that point... Would you THEN stop preaching a random spreadsheet you found as gospel? This spreadsheet has more holes than Swiss cheese.
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@Aven_Fallen said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3781630#Comment_3781630
Ok, again for your:
I only care about the Hatch Escapes in those stats.
They alignt with my own experience.
All the other yapping you are doing does not apply to anything. Hatch is not an issue, Hatch does not boost Survival Rates by a significant margin.
Do you make a habit of watching games play out after you die? If you die first while solo Q, do you NOT just go to the next match?
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@Aven_Fallen said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3781607#Comment_3781607
That this is not the average Trapper experience does not matter for the number of Hatch escapes. I only went for this exact number, especially because it aligns with my own experience (as I have said).
What Killer this person played is meaningless for the argument when it comes to Hatch.
So you'll admit the spreadsheet as a whole is DRASTICALLY different from the norm... that this player who's use of Trappers power is horrible, yet "Man with knife" game is top tier... that we should still take a single stat from this as completely normal.
If you saw a similar spreadsheet of a person claiming to play Huntress getting less than 2 hatchet hits per game but still getting a 77% kill ratio while using random perks... would you be this open to trusting it completely to the point you use it as a basis for random threads?
This makes me wanna share the results of my no-blink nurse matches. 100% Killrate... 0 hatch escapes after 1759 games. My proof is "trust me bro".
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@Aven_Fallen said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3781499#Comment_3781499
Meanwhile it is fine when someone opens ONE Thread here complaining about something and all the Killers join the echo chamber. :)
Pretty sure I didn't say that. What I DID say was using the stats of what is clearly NOT the average Trapper experience is completely pointless and provides nothing other than to muck up the water and make things unclear. Even if this info is true... it's a clear outlier, not the average.
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@Ayodam said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3781499#Comment_3781499
What about it seems abnormal to you? That person has a 77% kill rate out of 400 games. That doesn’t seem anomalous. At least one killer main has shown a 90% KR out of 1,000 games. And there are others with varying kill rates (all above 60%, which is the average BHVR gave us) who go on win streaks of hundreds of games. It’s quite feasible this player got a 77% KR out of 400 games.
His traps show he doesn't even average 2 caught survivors per match... not DOWNED, but simply survivors in bear traps. This means this is mostly "man with knife games". Beyond that, this is also 1 person. I could do a similar thing where I slug for the 4k every game. Is that a good indicator of hatch chances on average? If I go afk to get 4 escapes, does that show the average experience?
His shown killrate already shows these stats are far different than average Trapper stats... and this is apparently with random perks?
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@Aven_Fallen said:
If we look at the statics here:
Two Survivors out of 400,, so 2 in 100 games someone escaped via Hatch.
While the numbers are obviously not representative, they show that a Hatch Escape is pretty rare. And from my own experience, I would agree with that. If I come into the situation that the Hatch is the only way for the Survivor (myself or when I am playing Killer) to escape, very rarely does this actually happen.
You can't say "obviously these numbers are not representative" while trying to use those numbers to represent. The entire thing is pretty far off from normal gameplay to the point it's hard to believe it's not a complete fabrication.
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@Bookern said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3778892#Comment_3778892
Makes sense and realistic since they started with the original 4
5... there was 5
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@totallynotamegmain said:
third seal. Blindness just makes the game more annoying, but doesn’t really do much unless it’s in the unfindable hook/slug build. Those builds are fun to play against though :)
Blindness in general helps counter survivor aura reading perks. Seeing how common WoO is, 3rd seal can cripple survivors who don't know which pallets were used.
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Even if this info is taken as true and not completelymade up... This shows that the trappers power only caught roughly 2 people per match. That doesnt even mean those traps resulted in downs. The insinuation is these survivors lost horribly to M1 strikes.
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@Coordi said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3780192#Comment_3780192
Yes! You can even go back and do old tomes!
I've noticed it doesn't work on alot of them. I have one that's "Get X kills by any means" and I'm getting no progress.
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@arcaneGospel said:
I think having a friend with you crushing heads makes things intrinsically more enjoyable, but it also definitely helps that there are no perks—survivors always run the same few perks that are really in-your-face, whereas all the stuff in 2v8 is less obnoxious, I find.
On the other hand, survivor is miserable—mostly owing to the killers available. Huntress was already one of the least interactive killers to engage with before Wraith(another top contender) was on you too.
The weird thing I find about ppl being stressed about the killer's teaming up is... 2v8 has been widely asked for for years. Did no one honestly think of that part?This shouldn't be a surprise that the 2v8 that's been on the wishlist does infact include 2 killers on the same map.
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@Caiman said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3779851#Comment_3779851
He originally posted their steam profiles in the OP. They've been removed.
Gotcha
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@Eleghost said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3779867#Comment_3779867
My points still stand. You shouldn't let either mode get to you.
I typically try not to, but if I'm facing loss after loss... I'll typically swap to another game for abit. 2v8 though... I'm not really going "what could I have done better" after a loss. It's just chaotic fun win or lose. Not sure if it's the lack of surprise perks, having a teammate take the burden or both.
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@Eleghost said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/423802/1v4-killer-stress-vs-2v8-killer-stress
How are you stressing in 2v8? i've found it rather refreshing to not have to worry about certain perks from both sides and not to mention the fun factor of playing killer with a friend. 1v4 is only really stressful if you let it be. No matter what anyone says, you don't have to win all your games, and honestly you will lose some no matter what. So just don't worry if you win or lose play the game for fun and enjoyment not to stress yourself out.
I feel like you didn't read...anything. I specifically stated I find it less stressful. That was the entire point of the post.
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@Huge_Bush said:
Nah, if I see that I have useless teammates ima give the killer an offering. I also give them an offering if we have some kind of moment, usually where they catch me in a stupid situation or doing something dumb.
Had a game the other day on 2v8 where a sable sandbagged her whole team by racing around the map tossing every pallet she could find. We killed her... one of her teammates even t bagged on her real quick when she went down...but by that point, the game was ruined. Her team was royally screwed.
Me and my teammate felt bad, so we let everyone still living finish up and go. The last survivor turns out scoured the map for chests and left a treasure hoard on a hill as an offering before dying to EGC. Those "moments" are pretty great.
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@I_mean_yeah said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3779848#Comment_3779848
I mean, my PC can definitely handle more demanding stuff, and i have literally 0 problems with other killers, IDK
Dredge and Freddy on 2v8 will show who REALLY has beefy hardware, lol. Imagine nightfall+dream realm.
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@TheArbiter said:
First of all, it's against forum rules to name and shame (you need to black out all the names in your photos)
Secondly, slugging isn't reportable
The only names shown are the survivor names. He isn't complaining about them.
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Been playing on PS5 personally and have never had an issue where I felt it was stressing my hardware. Are you playing on an older PC? Kinda sucks you have these problems with Dredge buffs around the corner.
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@Aven_Fallen said:
I have yet to lose in 2v8, so yeah, it is less stressful.
The question was refering to the FEELING of each after a loss.
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@I_mean_yeah said:
I don't think this game can handle 2 sepparate queues, when I saw that they're gonna extend 2v8 i got so pissed. Killer queue times are horrendous
I think it's less about 2 queues and more about how popular playing killer on 2v8 is. It's not just die hard killer mains queueing up for 2v8 killer. Alot of ppl who WOULD be in the 1v4 survivor queue are currently playing 2v8 killer, which is affecting both queues. They could shut down 1v4 and only have 2v8 and you'd still have long killer queues.
Unlike the other gamemodes like Lightsout that wasn't very popular after afew rounds and thus didn't affect anything... this is pretty fun.
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@Aven_Fallen said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3779688#Comment_3779688
As for queue times... 2v8 is VERY popular. It's a real suffer from success situation. You have alot of ppl queueing to play killer because having a killer teammate which is a new experience. The gamemode is also basically the "casual" mode ppl have been wanting since there's no need to remember 100 different perks.
You mean, the gamemode is easy mode for Killer. This is why it is popular. I have yet to play a game where I did not get at least a 7K with a random Killer teammate.
You're choosing to ignore the draw of having a killer teammate. Ppl have been asking for this for YEARS. I said what I ment, don't put words in my mouth with "you mean".
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@ShyPirate said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3779043#Comment_3779043
Wonder if it was the same Dwight I was playing against the other day. He seemed to be going way too fast constantly and at the end of the game when the other killer and I closed in from both sides and downed him, he just disappeared and escaped (it wasn't hatch because there were more than 2 survivors left)
It WAS a Dwight. Guy was a TTV playing with 3 other dwights.
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Things like slugging should really only be brought up when it has anything to do with the topic... This update has 0 to do with survivor or killer behavior.
As for queue times... 2v8 is VERY popular. It's a real suffer from success situation. You have alot of ppl queueing to play killer because having a killer teammate which is a new experience. The gamemode is also basically the "casual" mode ppl have been wanting since there's no need to remember 100 different perks.
Map bugs are a pain... I know there's some invisible collision spots. Hopefully they can iron those out. All in all though, if you aren't having fun... take a break and play something else for awhile. I did that during the gen bug we had awhile ago.
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Don't forget that there was also a TCM game and Evil dead game. We didn't lose the characters attached to those licenses. From the sounds of it, this game SOUNDS like a single player experience too, so it's not like it's in direct competition with DBD.
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@IIITweedleIII said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3779596#Comment_3779596
Shame the same can't be said about the Lil guttersnipes with Nightmare on Elm Street and Robert Englund's likeness of Freddy.
But also, going back to wanting Dr. Loomis. I am now just imagining his old and worn-out tired running from killers, wondering how far worse the other's are than Myers to him lol
How old is Bill exactly? If he can handle it, Loomis will be fine.
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@bm33 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3779445#Comment_3779445
They could increase the chance of Sacrificial Ward in the bloodweb while decreasing map offerings so people get more Sacrificial Wards.
Not sure why people would be expected to run Sacrificial Ward every match if it was map ban offering instead when people aren't expected to run Sacrificial Ward every match right now when map offerings increase chance to go to a map that puts the other side at an advantage. SWF can already take turns using map offerings and have their teammates use other offerings to do anti-hook build, map ban offerings would make this more difficult for SWF.
II'm In no way saying sacrificial wards are in a good position currently.
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@bm33 said:
They shouldn't do a map ban system, especially if it's something that's going to nullify offerings without having to give up anything. Sacrificial Ward works to cancel offerings because you are giving up using other offerings like an event BP offering to use it.
They should change map offerings to guarantee you won't go to a certain realm instead of increasing the odds. This would fix the problem of people using map offerings to go to a map that favors their team/killer for easier win while also giving people a chance to avoid the maps they don't want to go to. Sacrificial Ward could still be used so no map has a permanent ban.
Devs would still be able to see which maps people avoid going to based on the map offering used and if they are choosing them over event offerings where they'd get extra BP.
The problem with Sacrificial Ward is they appear in bloodwebs about as often as any specific map offering. You can't expect people to use them every match, while it's ENTIRELY possible to use map offerings every match (especially SWFs who can take turns).
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My 2v8 teammate was saying something similar the other day. He was playing Huntress and had the no hatchet speed boost+ bloodlust and couldn't catch up to a Dwight who was just looping a simple haybale.