Langweilig

Same for survivor addons

in The Devs need to improve on killer addon design. Comment by Langweilig May 4, 2025

@MechWarrior3 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3921300#Comment_3921300
A test wouldn’t hurt for sure but 16 meters I feel would be the sweet spot. Not too far, not too close.
It would make her telephone addon a little more of a choice to use as well. Otherwise I don’t know how I feel about the 3% hindered for 3 seconds only 6-7 meters away. Seems….off….to me.

The telephone addon needs a number buff to something like 8%. Personally I would want that + it reducing the time it takes to manifest/demanifest by 0.2seconds.

in Can we please revisit The Onyrō Comment by Langweilig May 4, 2025

@MechWarrior3 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3921264#Comment_3921264
Oh good idea! I never even really thought about that before. Yes! Which would make sense because she isn’t “fully manifested” just yet. I love this idea. 💡
Totally makes sense.

She should also keep her pallet stun immunity and her loss of collision there. That would be great.

in Can we please revisit The Onyrō Comment by Langweilig May 4, 2025

@UndeddJester said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3921278#Comment_3921278
I do remember, and if you recall I wasn't convinced then when we were talking about it... 😅
12m where Sadako is completely invisible while manifested? I don't know where to run until she is less than 3 seconds away from me, with my reaction time to factor in too?
I dunno about you, but I have had trouble with spotting Freddy sometimes, and he's 32m invisibility range.... maybe I just suck, which is highly possible, but I know for a fact I'm gonna have A LOT of problems against a killer who I can't see beyond 12m xD

Maybe 12 meters while manifested would be too much, but while demanifested would be fine. The devs should at least test it on the ptb to see what people say. Or the solution would be making the basekit 18 meters and the addon 14-16 meters. Generally speaking 18 meters is not good, otherwise more people would use it.

in Can we please revisit The Onyrō Comment by Langweilig May 4, 2025

@Skillfulstone said:
I honestly would love Insidious to get a much needed rework to make it healthier (good for something else than camping) and overall more versatile by making it a stealth version of Lethal Pursuer.
At the beginning of the trial, you are Undetectable for 60 seconds or until you put a Survivor into the dying state.
Any time you are Undetectable, the effect lingers for an additional 10 seconds.
So many old perks desperately need reworks/buffs to make them in line with the current state of DBD…

That would be cool as well, but I don‘t think it is needed to remove the stand still part. At the moment this allows for some gimmicky builds with unknown, doctor and franklins.

I agree we have so many perks that need help. Behavior adjusts them far too slow or not at all.

in Insidious buff Comment by Langweilig May 4, 2025

@JPLongstreet said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3920571#Comment_3920571
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3920573#Comment_3920573
They said recently their coding limits what they can do vertically for killer designs. Everything say above the height of the bats for example is top they can have apparently.

Yeah that‘s sad. Dbd would be so much cooler with such abilities.

in Invisble walls and most of them should get removed Comment by Langweilig May 4, 2025

@UndeddJester said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3921229#Comment_3921229
With @Blueberrys tape destruction change, TED would be crisp.
I think it can be extended yeah, although this invisible at 18m thing is a little worrisome with that... Sadako has her Lullaby and her flicker is the more important aspect of her demanifest...so it's probably fine... but one to watch I think.
I realised the other day on the Wiki I'd never heard Sadako's Terror Radius.... Only he Lullaby and chase music...which is a shame cause her terror radius is a banger 🫣

The full invisibility at 18 meters would be nothing buff really. If you equip the addon it barely does anything at the moment, so we might as well make it basekit. It‘s just a nice to have. Clumb of hair would also only reduce the full invisibility to 12 meters while demanifested. This would make it fairly useful at bigger structures and make her very scary. It would be fine since she becomes visable while manifesting and loops are generally a lot shorter than that, so you would see her while looping. The only time it would make it harder to track her is when you gained a bit of distance and she has to catch up. There you wouldn’t know is she there or not? It could probably reduce the threshold for full invisibility to 12 meters while manifested as well, it should at least get tested.

That‘s the pictures we took together if you remember.

24meters:

18 meters: still very big but a lot nearer and better.

12 meters: (new basekit with 18 meters and Clumb of hair -6m)

So in comparison: The red line would be the 12 meters and yellow the 18m. Myers is the zero point.

Closer look:

in Can we please revisit The Onyrō Comment by Langweilig May 4, 2025

@MechWarrior3 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3921225#Comment_3921225
Speaking of Addons. My favorite one use to be Tape Editing Deck. I hardly use it anymore because it's meh..Since she needs an addon rework do you think Well Water would be okay if they just increased its duration?

She should keep undetectable during the lingering invisibility duration (well water basekit). Her invisibility mindgames are already difficult enough to pull off with bugs, wall hacks via a directional lullaby and how you have to time it.

in Can we please revisit The Onyrō Comment by Langweilig May 4, 2025

@MechWarrior3 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3919896#Comment_3919896
I enjoyed reading your thoughts surrounding safaris power. It’s always nice to see a perspective!
Thank you so much!

Question(s)
How do you feel about her spawning out of her Well each trial? 😁 Should this come as an additional teleporting location for her?
I hope we get another Map Control killer down the road. I enjoy killers with side objectives. Ie. Pig, Sadako, Pinhead, (nemesis?)
Something that has always bothered me about Sadako. I would like to express it here and get your perspective on it. (Here it goes…while Sadako is demanifested. She flickers in and out at a range of 24 meters in her power. Cool right? While manifested at 24 meters she is STILL visible at the same exact range while NOT in her power. This never made sense to me. I feel like clump of hair should fill this as basekit. She shouldn’t be visible at equal ranges. Am I crazy for thinking this? 🤣?)

This was just stuff I thought of today.

Her spawning in a well and crawling out would be cool.

3. I don‘t think there is something wrong with her full invisibility range being the same while demanifested and manifested, but they should reduce it to 18 meters and make Clumb of hair that it reduces the full invisibility range to 12 meters.

in Can we please revisit The Onyrō Comment by Langweilig May 3, 2025

I don’t think hags problem is her strength. She is quite strong and has little counterplay most of the time. My main reason why I don‘t like playing her is that I have to constantly set up traps all around the map, which I consider unfun. All she really needs is changes to make her playstile more fun.

I‘m glad you didn‘t go with the 4.6 m/s buff. It would be very boring like with trickster. I don‘t think she needs that either way. Her power is strong enough to make up for it. I never had the problem of s-tech and found it quite easy to hit people, so I don‘t think it’s needed.

Range increase sounds good.

I don‘t really get what you want to archive with getting a loud noise notification. It wouldn’t really matter.

The better thing against camping would be that the traps get removed/burn in a certain radius to the hook. With your suggestion the traps from before would still stay there.

Your addon suggestions are fine. I like the scream addon. I have one addon idea, her traps respawn once after a certain time after they got activated. This would be strong and keep your trap network alive a little longer.

A quality of life buff I would like to get is faster setting up speed of traps. I hate it being stuck in animations that take relatively long.

I also kinda feel like light burn should return for hags traps. That way there wouldn‘t be a basekit counter and they‘d require a flashlight or have to run into traps. I think removing light burn was what did hurt hag the most.

in A Hag Buff Idea Comment by Langweilig May 3, 2025

@Rokku_Rorru said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3920694#Comment_3920694
It would give it a unique synergy for the likes of Stealth killers like Ghostface etc. I don't see it as an issue, actually kind of sounds exciting to make builds with. Like a Lethal Pursuer for undetectable.

That was my idea to be honest. Lethal pursuer for undetectable, which pairs well with its current effect.

in Insidious buff Comment by Langweilig May 2, 2025

@Rokku_Rorru said:
I would love a longer duration on the undetectable, I think the 0.5 might be too quick to proc it but at the same time thats just what it sounds like on paper, maybe itd feel fine in game (if its too strong could try 1s or 1.5s).

Makes a fun mixup chase perk for killers who don't have stealth options.

I would love using this as unknown to pretend I'm an apparition, mid chase

Thanks. What do think of it extending the undetectable duration of other perks and from killer powers? This would make it very useful on Sadako in specific and the later start of the chase music would be very helpful on some stealth killers.

in Insidious buff Comment by Langweilig May 2, 2025

I‘m happy with them changing it. I no longer have to select any challenges and they are done passively. That‘s a win for me.

in Plans to retire The Compendium...why? Comment by Langweilig May 2, 2025

@hermitkermit said:
Tier list debates aside, the simple truth is survivors have no reliable way to practice the fundamentals. There are 39 killers, each with their own counterplay, over 250 perks to learn, and 39 maps. Whether you think survivors or killers are stronger, the reality is that survivor has become an increasingly knowledge-heavy role with no tools to actually learn. It is trial by fire every time. It's not always a skill-issue, I think many times it's more of a skill gap, with no resoureces/tools to close it. Survivors would benefit greatly from a practice mode in the same way Killers already have one. Custom bot matches, where you can control every detail down to the items, perks, maps, ect. The list gets bigger and bigger with every new addition, which means the gap gets wider, and the pile of knowledge required to be competent increases—without even considering the amount of time/practice you have to do in order to utilize that knowledge you have.

Do you really think the majority of players would use a practice explain mode? I doubt it. There is nothing more annoying in games than having to play a tutorial. Sure you greatly benefit from them (if the tutorial is well done), but in reality none cares about playing them.

in Lich, Sadako and Dredge. The noob stompers of dead by daylight. What could be done? Comment by Langweilig May 2, 2025

I think kill switch is only used if something affects the other side in a negative way.

in How is the killswitch not being used Comment by Langweilig May 2, 2025

@Deadman7600 said:
Yeah I really wish dbd would add some form of verticality to the gameplay, like some kind of killer that can fly. I just put a concept for sinister invincible on the creations forum but his power there would need a lot of invisible walls to be removed. We have killers that can rush fast but none that can actually properly leave the ground.

I agree. I think draculas bat and vecnas fly ability should be able to actually fly instead of hovering. They could also allow kaneki to pull himself into the sky. This would be awasome. The only killers that can somewhat fly for a short time are kaneki and demo under the right conditions, but even they are forced to stay on the ground when they don‘t jump from a very high place.

in Invisble walls and most of them should get removed Comment by Langweilig May 2, 2025

@AngelOfHope2017 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3920488#Comment_3920488
They can do all the same stuff now, and about 30% of the games I play with my friends, the killers DC. It's because they can never out loop my friends. I can only imagine what they'd do if they had other places to vault or climb on top of.

They can do all the same stuff now

Survivors can‘t get on those places I marked.

There are no new places to vault to (I excluded the places the killer can‘t reach) and the killer can climb on top of the same things as survivors. It would just be little bit more chaotic and allow for a more dynamic game design.

in Invisble walls and most of them should get removed Comment by Langweilig May 2, 2025

@AngelOfHope2017 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3920479#Comment_3920479
I just think survivors would abuse it…. really good loopers would at least. And the killer would end up giving up. I've seen it happen several times in games without the walls removed… imagine if they could loop and vault anything… omg that would be crazy and the killers would not have a chance against my friends.

Do you have any examples, because I have only included stuff that the killer can reach as well, which means they can all do the same stuff?

in Invisble walls and most of them should get removed Comment by Langweilig May 2, 2025

@AngelOfHope2017 said:
That would only be fair if survivors can do it too… then you open a whole new can of worms. I know some pro loopers that the killers rarely ever catch, they would have a field day with this.

What do you mean exactly? Survivors would not have invisble walls as well except at locations the killer can‘t reach at all (locations only reachable with a window fast vault).

in Invisble walls and most of them should get removed Comment by Langweilig May 2, 2025

I really don‘t get the drama everyone’s making about the abandon feature and I‘m sure the devs will do whatever is right for their system to work.

in Update to Haste and Hindered Comment by Langweilig May 2, 2025

@MechWarrior3 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3920087#Comment_3920087
Does that mean me <3

Yes if you invite me into the party or join me <3. It‘s always kinda difficult to reach you (especially with time zones being like 6-8 hours apart).

in Ghostface and Oni being added to next 2v8! Comment by Langweilig May 2, 2025

@Leon_Loves_Cheryl said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3920400#Comment_3920400
…Those perks are arguments against stacking because they need to be stacked to be worth anything.

Nope they aren‘t a argument against stacking. If behavior would want to make them worth running on their own, they would have had their chance, but they rather decided to make them useless without it. Even without stacking one of these perks would need a rework, because they are nearly identical and we don‘t need two times the exact same perk.

in I'm disappointed that they are going back on haste/hindered stacking Comment by Langweilig May 2, 2025

@Mandy said:
We are not updating the avatars further, there's no bandwidth available without removing a lot of existing ones that people are already using.

Thanks for the answer. It‘s sad to hear. I‘ve wondered for a couple of patches already why we haven‘t gotten any of the newer killers/perks…

in Forum Feedback Comment by Langweilig May 2, 2025

In the future it might be time for such a change, but not yet. Removing haste and hindered stacking should only be done, when they‘ve looked at all of the haste/hindered addons/perks. In the last patch behavior forgot 90% of the perks/addons that needed adjustments and they would have made more perks/addons useless than better. At the moment there is no need for removing stacking. They can try it again in some time, but there need to be changes to justify it and they need to be a lot.

Aside from that, Bloodpact and power of two are not an argument against stacking, because those perks rely on stacking to be worth running. If they are a problem, blood pact should get reworked and power of two buffed. I can‘t think of another example that could be problematic.

in I'm disappointed that they are going back on haste/hindered stacking Comment by Langweilig May 2, 2025

@RpTheHotrod said:
Only thing that concerns me is they are maintaining the majority of the speed buffs on perks while still allowing stacking. That means players running around at speeds that was never intended.

To be fair all the perk buffs in the ptb could have been done while keeping stacking and they forgot to buff 90% of the perks and addons related to this change.

in Please dont flipflop on Haste/Hindered Stacking BHVR. Comment by Langweilig May 1, 2025

Isn‘t that something good when they listen to the community? In my eyes it is.

in Update to Haste and Hindered Comment by Langweilig May 1, 2025

It would be quite irritating if they release skull merchant into 2vs8 before her rework. It wouldn‘t make any sense.

Knight could probably let two guards chase two survivors in 2vs8.

I personally want Sadako in the mode.

in When are going to add skull merchant, knight and Hag to 2c8? Comment by Langweilig May 1, 2025

@UndeddJester said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3920086#Comment_3920086
Ah you see the problem with Franklin's is toolboxes often get spent before you can use it on them.
Franklin's is great for medlits and flashlights, but not so effective at dealing with early gen rushing. 😉

You are right, but I guess that‘s not a perk for me until something is meta to force me to use it.

in One new General Perk for either side Comment by Langweilig May 1, 2025

Let‘s Go now I can get revealed from all sides at all times. Jokes aside it will be cool playing killer with a friend again.

in Ghostface and Oni being added to next 2v8! Comment by Langweilig May 1, 2025

@UndeddJester said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3920043#Comment_3920043
Interested in the discussion.
My thought process is it allows the killer to immediately see a generator that survivors are prioritising for completion, and limits the Survivor teams ability to gen rush at the start of the trial or trying to use toolboxes to break a 3 gen.
To my mind the ideal start for killer is to find and interrupt the Survivor bringing toolboxes and BNPs. Tjat survibor DOESN'T want to be chased, so in turn that's the survivor you probably do want to chase, as opposed to the flashlight clickers who want your attention.
Obviously if no one has a toolbox then it's pointless, but if they do, it counters numerous gen rush strategies using perks like Built To Last, Streetwise, Scavenger, Hyperfocus or Bardic Inspiration with strong toolboxes.

It‘s probably fine, but my survivors don‘t bring enough toolboxes (or I didn’t notice them doing so) to justify using a counter that only works against one of all the items. Franklins is just way easier to apply and works against all items.

in One new General Perk for either side Comment by Langweilig May 1, 2025

@CLHL said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3920069#Comment_3920069
I'm not going to be the party clown killer so they can sell a new DLC, thats for sure. It is clear that this whole stacking removal thing was created solely to justify this perk, so having both is already a bit of a stretch.

I‘m not a fan of releasing something super strong and nerfing it into the ground to get more sales, but I‘m fine with them releasing something super strong and nerfing it so it is reasonable strong.

I‘m just happy behavior finally releases something strong again. We didn‘t have a single perk that shook up the meta since MFT. We desperately need the devs to try out more potentially controversial things.

in Update to Haste and Hindered Comment by Langweilig May 1, 2025

@CLHL said:
Well, time to take a break from the game, I guess. The new perk going live servers with haste stacking is absolutely unacceptable, you don't need any testing to know it.

The new perk is too strong with and without haste stacking. Haste stacking doesn‘t change a thing about that. I just hope it isn’t too punishing for the weaker killers. Non the less they should let it go live for a few weeks and give it a fair nerf. I want to see other perks in my matches than the usual ones. The game desperately needs meta shake ups and some fresh air.

in Update to Haste and Hindered Comment by Langweilig May 1, 2025

@jokere98 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3920046#Comment_3920046
you end up with ~4.6m/s. That would be bused

It would definitely shake up the meta and bring some never seen perks to the top. Overwhelming presence and franklins would become top tier perks, which would be funny. It would probably be okay because flashlights have a limited duration even tho it would be quite annoying. Regardless they should test this. Just for fun.

in Update to Haste and Hindered Comment by Langweilig May 1, 2025

@ThatRyanB said:
As we move towards the 8.7.0 release, we wanted to thank everyone for trying out the PTB and for sharing valuable feedback. We wanted to go over some notable changes you can expect.
Haste and Hindered Stacking
The community has shared a lot of valuable feedback regarding the Haste and Hindered Stacking changes as tested on the PTB. After careful consideration by the Design team, we will not be moving forward with all of the changes. We will be moving forward allowing Haste and Hindered to stack again. The perks you saw in the PTB will continue to go Live in 8.7.0 while we monitor their usage on Live servers. The exception will be Champion of Light; this will receive changes prior to release. Keep an eye out for the Patch Notes for full details!
Abandon Option Trial Outcomes
With the new Abandon option added for Killers, we’ve noticed there is some confusion around the results on different scenarios:
Killer
Scenario #1 – If all Survivors Are Bots:
The Killer can Abandon the match without receiving a Disconnection Penalty and the match is considered a DRAW.
Scenario #2 – If the match has continued for 10 consecutive minutes without a generator being completed or regressed:
The Killer can Abandon the match without receiving a Disconnection Penalty and the match is considered a LOSS.
DEV NOTE: Due to a bug, the endgame screen will currently show Survivors as sacrificed. This will be fixed in an upcoming Bug Fix patch.
Survivor
Scenario #1 - When all other remaining Survivors left alive in the Trial are bots:
The last Survivor can Abandon the match without receiving a Disconnection Penalty and the match is considered a DRAW.
Scenario #2 - When all Survivors alive in a Trial are in the Dying State:
The Survivors can Abandon the match without receiving a Disconnection Penalty and the match is considered a DRAW.
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/ECKM8DAU0A3L/abandonoptiontrialoutcomes.png
See you in The Fog!
The Dead by Daylight Team

Am I the only one who thinks champion of light together with fixated giving you a little speed boost would be funny and worth trying?

in Update to Haste and Hindered Comment by Langweilig May 1, 2025

The survivor perk is great. The killer perk is not for me I guess. Far too situational.

in One new General Perk for either side Comment by Langweilig May 1, 2025

One question about haste stacking. Does haste increase the speed of kaneki‘s leap?

in Update to Haste and Hindered Comment by Langweilig May 1, 2025

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in Still Sight Buff Ideas Comment by Langweilig May 1, 2025

When will we get kaneki/ghoul as profile picture in the forums?

in Forum Feedback Comment by Langweilig May 1, 2025

@Rokku_Rorru said:
I'd like the silent breaks as its own perk I think, maybe it could be the empathic connection type where it can be stacked with brutal, but its a smaller increase with the silence?

I will probably suggest it as its own perk in the future with a silent vault and silent killer noises, so it is the ultimate stealth perk.

in Brutal strength buff Comment by Langweilig May 1, 2025

@UndeddJester said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3919718#Comment_3919718
Aye, your rework is an interesting take, and it certainly sounds unique for Sadako.
The only reason I never commented on it is the logic of OG Sadako was reversed to my mind, and while I understand your rework and it would probably be fine, its not intuitive to my brain, so I don't feel like I could genuinely add to/argue legitimately for it. Survivors only grabbed a tape to try and remove condemn, there was literally no other reason to grab a tape since Sadako disabled her TVs longer than survivors did.
This to me means however the condemn management is less unique for the survivor side, it's effectively like fighting Freddy, where you ignore the effct while its not a problem and when the effect needs to be dealt with you come off gens and go deal with it with a quick fetch quest.
A modified version on modern Sadako with the global condemn and a tape effect sees survivors responsible for managing their own condemned dynamicallybbased on what is going on in the trial, and makes facing Sadako feel more unique.
At least that's how I see it, old Sadakonfeels like she was more aggressive about targetting a specific survivor for condemn. Modern Sadako feelS like a more slow burn across the whole team. Since i have a preference for modern Sadako, I don't think I'm the right guy to argue for a version that focused much more on OG Sadako, but certainly wont argue against your version... it sounds cool 😅

My intention was not to talk about my discussion. I just wanted to bring attention to this issue that remains untalken about. For me it’s sad that almost no one talks about how to make her the scary omnipresent killer again and everyone forgets her invisibility. Both of these things have so much potential and are for me much more fun to use than condemned. The condemned playstile is always spam tp to spread, which is not even fun to do in my opinion, but with the reworks they reduced her to that and made my chase playstile completely unviable (just because condemned was „too strong“ not the chase). This leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.

its not intuitive to my brain

What do you mean by that?

Only to be fair, I still had a global condemned passive timer suggestion, so I wouldn’t remove it. Just make it so you no longer have to spam it 20 times, which makes it easier to balance against good and bad players and less boring, because you can do something else in the meantime.

I generally also don‘t understand why you‘d want survivors to grab tapes? It gives you no advantage and when forced only downsides.

This to me means however the condemn management is less unique for the survivor side

What is so exciting about grabbing and turning off a TV? It is half a second interaction and not interactive. I would generally like to know.

in Can we please revisit The Onyrō Comment by Langweilig May 1, 2025

@UndeddJester said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3919673#Comment_3919673
So many good suggestions in thsi thread to be fair... The potential... it only needs to be realised... plz BHVR🙏

While I like your suggestion, it doesn‘t really solve my problem with her. I liked her first version the most because you had a very good/ fun map traversal and chase power, but since her reworks survivors are forced to turn TVs off and have TVs auras. This leaves very little room to use her power to chase survivors like back then. I wished they‘d separate the condemned counter from her mobility.