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@Orion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1277112#Comment_1277112
Go play some sports, then complain that it's not fair for the other team to take advantage of your team's mistakes.
This is your best argument for why people shouldn't be considerate in game?
Sports have rule sets around decency between players and penalties for a lack of. Dbd does not. It's left up to the players to decide to either care about the other human beings also trying to enjoy the game or not.
A person getting tunneled didn't make a mistake by being offhooked outside of their control, and there is a misunderstanding about the game being a team game, like a sports team. Unless you are a SWF, dbd matches are comprised of individuals who have to work together toward a common goal. But they are not a team. They did not select each other. So it is ridiculous to hold an incapacitated person accountable for the neglegent actions of someone else. Assuming they are neglegent because a lot of the time its less a wreckless decision and more the only decision because killers seem to gravitate to the hook.
Just don't be a dick. It's not rocket science and there is no reason to be, unless someone else is being a dick.
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@Respectfulnancymain said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1277055#Comment_1277055
I play both sides equally but if you've seen any of my posts you'd call me a survivor main.
I'm sure there are a small minority of people who do. I think it is far less than the number of people who claim to, to try and add validity to their statements here in the forums.
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@Demonl3y said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1277100#Comment_1277100
It still hasnt really something to do with hatch gremlins. You just startet to act like the OP is biased just because he said something against hatch gremlins and now you want to justify it.
Actually no, I don't think the hatch gremlin portion of the OPs comment was out of line at all. That guy sounds like an idiot. But so does anyone, on any side, that ends a match in "ggez".
The part I disagree with is implying the survivor community gets too much leniency, has a silver spoon, or is entitled.
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@Orion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1277099#Comment_1277099
It's a PvP game. Someone's always going to end up unhappy, even if you're not trying to make them unhappy. If you always need to win to have fun, I recommend a single-player game.
When did I say I only have fun when I win? I've have some stellar matches where I died miserably. But they were fun because both sides played well and the better man won in the end. Those are the magical dbd matches that keep me playing this game. In my experience, no. Someone doesn't always have to leave unhappy. Someone always has to win, sure. But I don't base my enjoyment in the game on whether I win or lose, it's whether or not the match felt like a fun, fair test of skill. Getting tunneled or camped to death in the first minutes of a match because someone would prefer not to 4v1 is not fair, nor skillful. It's also not fun in any way. People who play that way are the ones who should be playing a single player game, where they are welcome to treat the NPCs as carelessly as they want.
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@Aven_Fallen said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1277071#Comment_1277071
Depends. Surely the Killer has to do more (which is expected when he is the "1" in "1vs4"), but ranking up as Killer is faster. At least it is easier to blackpip and especially double pip, as Killer.
EDIT: To clarify - while I have more to do as Killer because I am alone, I generate more Pips/game on average.
I don't believe what you are describing is typical. In my experience and from what I've seen here in the forums, the consensus is typically the same: survivor is easier to rank up, killer is easier to farm BP.
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@Demonl3y said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1277094#Comment_1277094
Your first comment here: ,,The whole silver spoon entitlement bit is rich, coming from a killer. Just saying. 😂" also had nothing really to do with hatch gremlins.. I dont understand your logic.
My comment in direct relation to something the OP said, directed to the OP? That comment? Right.
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@Stiel said:
When they have BT or DS they have this sense of safety mixed with their own made up Honour Code...if you break it (which you should since it's made up and not the real rules) the get angry you didn't follow it. Play how you want to play, remember you're a KILLER, that KILLS...don't listen to other people complaining and crying, but don't get that mixed with valid criticism and feedback.
Yeah. Don't listen to pesky people who also want to enjoy a video game they play in their free time for fun. Their fun is completely irrelevant. In fact, if you can have more fun by making sure they have absolutely zero fun whatsoever - even better. Only your fun matters.
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@Demonl3y said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1277036#Comment_1277036
I also play both but in total i played (and still play) survivor much more but i know whats wrong with the game. At the moment survivors ARE the power role even if the game got much more balancing right now.
I would ask you how you came up with that ridiculous conclusion...unless you mean only SWF Swat Teams... But power role really doesn't have anything to do with hatch gremlins or biased opinions. It's 3am. I just can't cover this many topics at once. 😂
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@Orion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1277066#Comment_1277066
Please point out where I denied that humans have biases. When you're done apologizing for calling me ignorant based on something I didn't say, address the argument.
Your very post is in denial of the fact that bias is clearly playing a role in the commentary occurring in this thread. As it does all over the forum.
If you cannot determine that based on the negative connotations of the OP toward survivors, then that's a comprehension problem I cannot help you with.
I would never apologize to someone playing captain save a hoe in an online forum. But you are welcome to continue dreaming. 🙂
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I guess, if you want to support one of the most toxic play styles in the game. 🤷♀️
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@Aven_Fallen said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1277059#Comment_1277059
Ranking up is too easy on both sides. And this is also because both sides can stomp Potatoes who dont belong to Red Ranks.
It is solidly easier to rank as survivor than killer.
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@Orion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1277055#Comment_1277055
Your mistake is in assuming you can't play both sides and hold the opinion that one has bigger issues than the other.
Back at release, survivors were able to permanently break every hook on a map, except for the basement. Killers were able to equip a combination of perks that made it almost impossible to wiggle free, but couldn't guarantee a hook if there were only basement hooks left. Which do you think was the bigger problem, the fact that survivors could deny killers all the hooks, or that killers had increased carry distance? Personally, I think the former was the biggest problem. Was I biased because I recognized that the power role being denied their primary method of defeating the numbers role was not in the spirit of an asymmetrical game?
Just because the opinion is one sided doesn't mean it's biased. Often, there are just bigger problems on one side. False equivalence is a fallacy.
I've made no mistake. It's human nature to have preference and bias. These forums are a plethora of examples of that very fact. To deny it is ignorant.
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@Orion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1277033#Comment_1277033
As an above-average survivor at best, I can assure you that killers at rank 1 (or close) have more skill than their survivor counterparts. I pip basically every trial as a survivor, without even doing much.
I can't agree there. Rank 1 killers are some of the worst perpetrators of camp and tunnel. Although I will agree that A LOT of red rank survivors don't belong there.
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@Orion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1277036#Comment_1277036
And everyone doubts it when it doesn't suit theirs.
I am in this forum daily and countless posts start with "I play both..." followed by a very one sided opinion. Usually in the vein that fits their avatar. From someone who often gives 1 sided opinions. It's not slick. I play both too, but I'm not kidding myself that I'm not a survivor main and my opinions are positioned as such. And the vast majority of ppl have a preference in the same way. But nice try. 👍
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Also, I don't want your pity hatch. Hook me with dignity.
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Open. The. Gate.
You don't need to 99 it most of the time.
Unless there is a NOED, if you aren't getting chased, open the MF gate so that if I am being chased I don't have to stop before being able to run out.
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@OutcastEric said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1277028#Comment_1277028
I play both buddy
Everyone does when it suits thier argument. 😉
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@HollowsGrief said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1276969#Comment_1276969
Most survivors don't have any skill to begin with, which is why they struggle when OP things get taken away. But that's another story for another time.
And killers do? Call me when camping/tunneling isn't the go-to play style for the majority of killers. So skilled. 🙄
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@OutcastEric said:
Literally had a guy message me after getting hatch with 4 gens up saying gg ez rekt. Hahahahaha I call these people hatch gremlins. He legit thinks he won bc he won a chase and randomly found hatch after letting his whole team die on the hooks. Didnt even camp. He just refused to save. God this community. I blame ochido and the devs for making these people what they are today. Too much leniency. Too many silver spoons. The entitlement
The whole silver spoon entitlement bit is rich, coming from a killer. Just saying. 😂
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This is a weird and inaccurate way to try and justify nerfing survivors. But whatever, buddy.
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@Bovinity said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1275701#Comment_1275701
It....actually really does happen, and often even without BT. 🤣
Some people are MAD thirsty for those unhook points. It's actually one of the biggest factors in some of my games as killer.
For starters, we're talking about unhooking a survivor against a camping/tunneling Freddy and its effect on BT. You cannot NOT unhook in the killer's face when the killer never leaves the hook vicinity. LOL Unless yall wanna loan me the Wraith bell for a second so I can invisible my ass in there. The argument of "don't let the killer see you!"...when the killer never leaves LOS of the hook is just stupid.
So, no. I'm not "running in like a banshee straight at the hook!"...I'm running in directly to the hook, when a killer will proxy but refuses to leave the area, because it is the best chance at getting that person down without it being a definite hook trade. Also in this case, if I know the killer is going to tunnel, I want to do so within close enough proximity to the killer that the person gets their BT because the killer is coming to down them either way.
I'm not arguing people get thirsty for off-hooks, but that's not at all what we're talking about here.
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Insta-heals. Sad that all ultra-rare survivor addons have been nerfed to #########.
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@Vysenya said:
Killers, I recently played a match where Michael Myers killed the sh!t out of my team, in under 5 minutes? We were all on the same rank. No flashlights. No loops. He was genuinely a good killer (I'm an okay player) now here's the thing. I go into spectate mode after I die and watch the killer basically trick the last survivor into thinking he's let him find the hatch, just to down him. Once the killer left, the Survivor had Unbreakable, so he got up and searched for the hatch. The killer caught him, downed him, allowed him to break free from his grasp, they found the hatch together, and then he downed them again. Closed the hatch in front of them, and refused to hook them. I couldn't figure out why he did that? I personally would have dc'd, not because I lost but because he would t end the match. Why didn't he just hook the guy instead of forcing him to crawl until he died.
This is why there needs to be an option to suicide when you're slugged. They changed end-game struggle for survivors so that killer's aren't "inconvenienced" by 60 seconds of struggling...while killers can down you and watch you bleed out for 4 minutes for their own amusement. Not cute.
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Thats weird. My updates auto download while my steam is on. I dont even notice them.
Occasionally an update/patch will result in missing game files, so I have to go through the file verification process and reacquire whatever's missing. But never reinstall the whole game.
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I have almost no issues with NOED or its place in the game. NOED makes me mad at my teammates, not the Killer, because I always cleanse at least 3 totems. More power to ya. 🍻
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@Warhorse_Huntress said:
So I've played this game for awhile and I'm usually able to get to red ranks after reset, but I have a couple of friends that are more casual players than me and are under my rank by a lot. When we manage to get matches it's usually against inexperienced killers, which makes me feel bad about doing anything such as using loops, doing objective, etc. What do you all think?
With the current broken match making, it wouldn't matter if you were with your friends or not. I'm red rank and sometimes get some dreadfully low killers and I play solo. LOL If I sense the killer is particularly low rank or lower skill level I just play nicer. Let em hook me. Step in a trap. Make an unnecessarily risky play. Might even let them kill me if everyone else gets out.
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@OutcastEric said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/152493/why-do-both-sides-have-so-many-made-up-rules
Those aren't really killer rules. I've never had a killer message me, nor have I messaged a survivor first over using second chance perks, gens, or swf. Wish I could say the same about survivors. I play on console so they can freely message me until I block them. Survivors are the ones who complain the most in my experience. Not trying to flame, just stating what I've witnessed over the 3 years that I've played this game
I would agree, survivors complain the most in post-game chat...or I guess in messages on console (I dont play console).
But there are several reasons for this...
- There are 4 survivors to every 1 killer...so survivors are 4x more likely to complain in post game. LOL
- Killers have in-match retribution. If a survivor is toxic, they can get them out of the game to relieve frustration. If a killer is toxic to a survivor, there isn't much a hanging survivor can do except die and voice their frustration post-game.
- Survivors most commonly complain about camping/tunneling, which are play styles that aren't necessary to play or win a game and disable survivors from getting to actually play in the match. While killers most commonly complain about gen rushing...which is the only way survivors can win the game and enables the killer to more easily find survivors/gain destruction points while getting to play the entire duration of the match. Not to mention, several changes have been implemented even quite recently to help address the pain point of "gen rushing" and there has yet to be any changes to the game for camping/tunneling outside of dreaded second chance perks, which only prolong the inevitable in many cases. LOL
I've also found in these forums and in the main PC DBD facebook group that Killers seem to out number survivors...which is weird, since survivors are so vocal in game.
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@Viceus said:
^ title
Yeah, I thought it was nice when they did a BP event for a while and was sad they ended it and haven't brought it back. It was a nice little gift in the midst of some doodoo stuff going on.
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sounds like you got "dedicated-servered" LOL
Had a match the other day where I was being chased by a Bubba...he raised his chainsaw and then just started walking into the wall. I was perplexed. A split second later the screen refreshed to me being on his shoulder, carried to a hook. It looked like an old school lag switch. It's pretty balls.
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@Nurgling7 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1275618#Comment_1275618
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1275620#Comment_1275620
I know it's a standard BT tactic to run, screaming like a banshee, straight at the hook, but I like to give people the benefit of the doubt that they might play a little smarter than that.
You clearly don't play survivor if you think this is what is happening. 😂
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@Nurgling7 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1275589#Comment_1275589
And all Freddy has to do is miss a skill check, find other awake killer, or get to the highlighted clock to turn off OoO.
Oh, wait...
You're saying that as if when you run in to save against a camping Freddy that he can't hit you, immediately putting you into the dream state, and voiding your BT. It doesn't matter if you wake up throughout the match...he can immediately put you back to sleep in the middle of the exact situation you need BT for. 🙄
I honestly didn't know OoO did this for Freddy because I don't run it. I find this ######### hilarious. 😂 'Bout time the ######### decision by the devs had a negative ramification for a killer. I would be absolutely down with "fixing" OoO, as long as it also fixed BT. ❤️
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It's obviously hard to predict you're getting an indoor map, unless you personally bring a map offering, but if this is routinely an issue perhaps try running something like Detectives Hunch. Not only will it show you where those pesky NOED totems are, it reveals all the gens too. 👍️
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@Respectfulnancymain said:
Survivor: no noed, no tunneling, no camping...
Killer: no second chance perks, no gen rushing, no swf...
Why cant we just enjoy the game without making up rules for the opposite side to follow?
Because what people like to call "made up rules" are just the average person's expectation of common courtesy. People expect their opponents to play the objectives of the game (all of them), which were designed to provide a fair, fun, balanced match. When people hyper focus one objective and lack any consideration for their opponent(s), it throws the balance of the game off and makes it less enjoyable. The game is not enjoyable when survivors ignore everything except gens. The game is not enjoyable when killers camp people to death. So the idea that everyone should play how they want AND enjoy the game simply doesn't work when there are people who derive their enjoyment out of the displeasure of others.
The real question is, why can't we all just play the game how it was designed (speaking to the emblem system), and have a little consideration for others, for the enjoyment of all? 🤷
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I had the same thing happen the other day while playing Killer. It was a super tough match. They were very altruistic and organized. I got out of the match and they were super cocky. I asked if they were SWF and they said no...only to leave and queue up again and get put back against all four of them. I deemed that too coincidental LOL
I assume its because winning as a solo team is quite a bit harder than winning as a SWF...and they would like people to believe they're good enough to achieve that, when they in fact did not.
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@Keezo said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1274664#Comment_1274664
I personally just dont classify it as a second chance since it doesnt correct a failed chance(again, i still think its ######### stupid, but still), while something like, say, Blood Warden or DS, gets you out of a situation where you would have outright lost in some regard. Its just my view on the definition.
Avoiding a palette stun is a get out of jail free card. Otherwise you would have eaten the stun, potentially had to break the palette, before you could continue your pursuit...if you could find them and they hadn't used that to get to the next palette or loopable area. I'd say that's pretty second chancey. The survivor didn't make any mistakes by paletting you.
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@alaenyia said:
I do put it off for a bit if I can but I really don't understand the argument against cleansing. If you stay injured you are a one shot the entire game, if she gets red vomit she can projectile you down. Either way you are down in 1 go, so kinda doesn't matter much. I am with the other folks here, kinda just do what the round seems to warrant.
Because it's easier to hit people in a chase with a ranged attack.
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@Keezo said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1274543#Comment_1274543
While i too dislike Endfury, i wouldnt call it a second chance. Its just a free hit, doesnt really bring you back from a loss.
By this logic, BT is not a second chance perk. Its just a free hit.
DS, it's not a second chance perk, it's just a quick stun.
DH, is not a second chance perk. Its just a free hit.
🙄
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I just do whatever my team does. They don't wanna cleanse, I don't. They cleanse, I might as well.
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@CosmicParagon said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1274437#Comment_1274437
Then enlighten me on what you believe tunneling is, oh wise one
It's not about what I believe. It's about what it is. And as much as you are used to being spoon fed as a killer these days, it's also not my responsibility to 'enlighten' you. Seek your own enlightment, young grasshopper. Because it's clear, if this is your position, that you need it.
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I really don't believe for a hot second that you are new to the game or forums. LoL
But to answer your question, because there is a difference from disabling someone from playing the game and people doing gens... Which you need them to do in order to do your own objectives...like to find survivors and gain destruction points. You tunneling someone off a hook just disables them from getting back in the game at all. Tanks their pts, pips, and rank and there is nothing they can do about it. You can do something about gens getting done.
It's about common courtousy. They waited just as long as you did get into the match, how would you like it if the Survivors broke your leg in the first 2 minutes of the match and you just got to sit back and watch while you bled out and they popped all the gens and left you with no pts and a derank? It would really suck.
So don't do it to others.
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Only part of what he is describing it latency. I seem to remember the game used to make killers commit to the direction they were swinging and then out came a 360 degree hits during the swing animation to help mitigate survivor 360s, I assume. It would be nice to go back to the way it was, but alas, not going to happen.
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@CosmicParagon said:
How are you still getting caught? Surely if you're being tunneled every other game you should be in chases the majority of the time. So why are you so bad at looping that you still end up dying?
This question just illustrates that you either don't know what tunneling is, or you don't understand the base mechanics of the game.
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@SmarulKusia said:
We were playing against a rank 1 Ghostface, who put on Meat Plant, using NOED, Brutal Strength, POP and BBQ. Who was also camping and tunnelling.
Why would anyone even play like this?
The build is inconsequential. Perks are perks.
The map offering sucks...no one likes that map.
The camping and tunneling from second one is indicative of someone who gives zero ######### about other people and enjoys the role of killer in this way because they feel better about themselves when they make other people feel bad. In short, they are #########. Dismiss them for the ######### they are and enjoy the people who continue to make this game fun for everyone.
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I definitely think the ability to DC should be a thing and dislike the ban penalty, since none of the issues that were the root cause of DCs were addressed before it was implemented. I have simply replaced it with hook suicide unless the match is egregious and the Killer won't kill me, then I'm happy to DC and play something else. I paid to play this game to have fun. I have a finite amount of time to play video games after a long day of adulting. I dont feel the least bit obligated to stay in a match and play a game with someone who is obviously intentionally trying to make the game unfun for others. I don't play with people like that, period. If that means I eat a ban penalty every once in a while, so be it.
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@xRem said:
Ds isn't the "god mode" people describe and it most definitely isn't trash.
Ds is mostly fair, until those scenarios where you feel like if you chase anyone your "tunneling".
My personal main issue is that a person with ds up will farm another ds user in my face and it just feels stupid.
I think if it just was deactivated when someone was hooked or only the most recent hook got it then it would be balanced.
What do you think should happen to help make it feel less annoying?
Nothing. DS works like it's supposed to.
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@BloodMoneyMerc said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1272173#Comment_1272173
His snares are basically a version of the Clown's ability. I only mentioned Clown because I saw people complaining about the snares. But I feel like it's the low ranks that contribute to Freddy being so strong. Playing in low ranks everyone fears him, while in high ranks everyone outplays him. I will say I do agree that Freddy requires very little skill, but I don't think he is as strong as he is made out to be. The only change I can find remotely acceptable to his snares would be to make the distance they can be placed next to one another slightly increased so that he doesn't just bombard one small area with a crap load of them. Making dream pallets base feels meh because it was a fun gimmick at first, but now they aren't really that exciting. It keeps them remotely interesting with them as an addon because most people expect the snares since they are base. If pallets are base then almost always people will be on the lookout for them, which kinda defeats their purpose...
The only thing Clown and Freddy have in common is one ability that applies Hindrance to a survivor.
According to the last stats he has an overall 70% kill rate, but in red ranks he has almost an 80% kill rate...which lends itself to the opposite of your assumption. He is very strong at every rank, especially red. He is very easy to play with a low skill cap. He may be unassuming, but strong none-the-less between his ability to end chases quickly, teleport, and has a built in slowing mechanism.
As I said in my original comment, I don't really care about any of his abilities that much. The only thing I think is BS is that BT won't work against him in the dream state even though he is not a silent killer. Especially since if a Freddy is camping, making BT a necessity, it's likely the off-hooker will take a hit which immediately tosses them into the dream state and voids BT. Pretty bullshit.
It would be nice if the snares required some distance. I was on a Yamaoka map the other day and our team got down to the last gen and every gen left was 2 sided. He could just trap them all on both sides so the traps were unavoidable. It was a very long and ######### end to the match. It would also be nice if there was no "clear space" around the trap. I find it OP on maps like Hawkins, which is already so Killer sided, that he can place a trap in a hallway and no matter how far around the trap you skirt, even though you don't touch the blood itself at all, it will still trip.
But TBH, if he got zero changes, it wouldnt be the end of my world. The BT issue is the only one I would like to see changed because it aids camping/tunneling.
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https://media.giphy.com/media/ZaF4Vl1NQxwaVsStQU/giphy.gif@PlaysByShady said:
"Clicking a button is too hard, pls fix"
It's fine as it is. I really wish survivor's would learn to play the game, as opposed to crying for various mechanics so they can still win without using any skill or strategy at all.
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1. Allow players to hit the Ready button inside of 15 seconds to start the match.
2. Make it so while you browse the store cosmetics you can preview different top/mid/bottom sections together at once. So you can pre mix and match the perfect outfit and see it altogether before you buy the pieces.
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@OmegaXII said:
I don't want to complain about DS but..
It's goddamn awful to get hit by DS even without tunnelling.
Several things about this game are awful. You learn to live with them. 😂
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@Dwinchester said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/152166/fix-doctor
I play a lot of high quality survivors. If you're dying to anything other than a godlike nurse or spirit, it's your fault. You have the tools and resources to 1v1 any killer.
This is cocky non-sense. This game is purposely designed to NOT work in a 1v1...unless you simply mean in a chase with your teammates still in the match.