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only took 9 years. Better late than never, I guess
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@mecca said:
Its the most unbalanced game in existence. Tryhard killers own the game basically with a leash on the devs to dictate balance.
Survivors know this because nobody wants to play it and those that do either lose or give up. It's really sad.
Meanwhile, killers play the game undefeated with unfathomable win streaks that elitists downplay and tries to pretend they are insignificant.
ok. Show us your own killer gameplay so we can see how easy it is to win consistently. Since you claim the game is so unbalanced, you should have no shortage of footage to show how easily you can survivor teams.
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@CornMoss said:
I have played 8 matches against legion now and constantly I am seeing survivors full mending while they are still in their power, pre-dropping pallets instead of baiting and not tanking hits for healthy teammates.
Stop complaining about a killer you have no idea how to play against! It has to be at least 50% of the players I am matched with that do this which probably includes you if you complain about them.
If you just don't like legion in general just say that but keep this in mind though, he's easy to go against so what does that say about yourself as a survivor if you are struggling to face them?
I will say there are issues with 2v8 such as how survivor IS boring, they need to make it more interesting for us and there are many ways to do so.
I do know how to play against Legion. I still hate them because it’s boring AF.
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2v8 was great until bots and Legion were introduced. At least for me, getting rid of those two things and keeping everything else would make it super fun again.
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Not really. I’d much rather have free shards than free BP
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I don’t understand the rationale behind continuing to test with bots. There has been overwhelming feedback that people do not want to play with bots, period. They said that bots didn’t help enough to shorten killer queue times, and one bot is going to help even less, so why even have that one bot? Just get rid of them altogether, which is what most players have been asking for. It’s very unfortunate that it took a huge amount of community outcry to make this happen. The mess could have been prevented from the start if BHVR would have listened to everyone who was telling them what a terrible idea it was.
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@DeBecker said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3883837#Comment_3883837
Thats right. They just get hundreds of winstreaks more than survivors even dream of. But sure.
my point was that I don’t believe the OP because win streaks like that are incredibly rare and are only achieved by the top players in the world. I don’t understand what point you are trying to make. Are you saying that it’s easy and common for killer players to have long win streaks?
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@GlamourousLeviathan said:
If people are hating on Legion, I can't wait to see the outrage once Plague and Twins arrive in 2v8 and become best friends.
some killers are just not good fits for 2v8 mode. I think it’s a very foolish goal to try to incorporate the whole killer roster into 2v8 mode
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@Dadeordye said:
Played almost 20 matches today and only now I was sent to RPD.
you are complaining about this? I would be thrilled to never see RPD ever again
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peak player count on steam is basically back down to what it normally is after just a few days. Just about everyone is fed up with 2v8 and playing normal mode or not all. What a disaster this has been
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@Skeleton23 said:
We can all agree DBD is having a problem with The Killer side of the game. This game is no longer fun as killer because you can just start the match and the survivors are already done doing the Gens. It's frustrating how one sided the game is now. Most killers can't keep up anymore with the new things. I wish the Devs would see this
bait of the lowest quality
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even old, better spine chill was kind of a “training wheels” perk, IMO. Once you get better at getting to safety when you hear terror radius, there are just so many other perks that provide better value. I realize that spine chill helps more against stealth killers, but I think it’s silly to use a perk slot just in case you get matched against a stealth killer
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I remember someone saying during previous special events that BHVR uses different servers for special events than they do for normal 1v4 mode. They must put the event mode on their extra crappy servers.
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you’ll probably have to wait until the next 2v8 event, if ever. If there’s one thing that is consistent about BHVR, it’s that you will never see/hear them admit that they made a mistake and they certainly don’t revert bad changes quickly, if ever (other than some examples of things in PTB’s that get changed before going live).
My prediction is that they will wait quite a long time until the next 2v8 event and work on some other different modes instead because of how poorly this event has gone. It’s really quite sad because I had a blast in the previous 2v8 events on both sides. BHVR could simply remove bots (and Legion), admit they screwed up, and all would be good. But I think that is unlikely to happen. -
@Gardhome said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3883930#Comment_3883930
It's not a killer problem, that survivors don't want to play against specific killers. Because you can't please everyone. And denying Legion players because some whiny children complain about them isn't a smart idea.
You’re correct that you can’t please everyone. So BHVR has to try to please the largest number of people. The case of having Legion in the game is a great example. There are only a small number of Legion players but a huge number of survivor players. Many of those survivor players hate playing against Legion and won’t play 2v8 because Legion is super annoying/overpowered in this mode. BHVR can decide to make the few Legion players happy, which is what they have decided to do, or they can do what they should have done instead and leave Legion out to make the 2v8 mode more appealing to the survivor player base. This is a classic example of making a bad change to please a few people while alienating a lot of people.
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@Rulebreaker said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3884026#Comment_3884026
Out of curiosity, the premise of legion is "run fast and stab"...how's that much different than say a trapper who's placed his traps?...
Do I really need to explain how Trapper’s and Legion’s powers are different?
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@HerInfernalMajesty said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3883930#Comment_3883930
Tweaking their power is out of the question?
The whole premise of Legion’s power is what makes them boring, IMO. I’m not sure how you’d tweak Legion’s power to make them less boring without completely reworking the power to something that isn’t even Legion anymore
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@100PercentBPMain said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3883930#Comment_3883930
MMeanwhile I hated the roster from the original. I'm so happy to have Legion over Wraith and Huntress. Things can only get better for me as there's less chance to get Wraith.
yeah, I get it. Not everyone has the same preferences but it seems like Legion are more universally hated than Huntress or Wraith
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@MechWarrior3 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3882811#Comment_3882811
To be fair, I believe the Dev's are trying to make the game more fun for survivors. Adding more classes, maps, and items to use in the trials. Its not a perfect system they have going but effort is being made.
A much better approach would have been to implement the survivor role changes and leave it at that (maybe improve the survivor incentive rewards a bit more as well). Instead, they plowed forward with a disastrous change that everyone said was going to be disastrous, and unsurprisingly it has been a disaster.
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@HerInfernalMajesty said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3883884#Comment_3883884
get rid of Legion
I mean I know people don’t like to face them but they’re still part of the roster. It doesn’t make sense to limit the roster instead of expand? I feel like if people are that angry then it would be better to tweak the Legion’s power than outright remove them. What about all the players who are Legion fans excited that their favorite Killer is finally in 2v8?
Idk it doesn’t seem like a it would be a good idea to remove any Killer from a gamemode for any reason other than to killswitch them if they’re glitching the game.
if having a certain killer in the special game mode is making it more unattractive to play the survivor role when it’s already struggling to attract survivor players, then absolutely it makes sense to limit the roster. I and many others would be much more willing to play survivor if there was no possibility of Legion (and of course no bots). Currently I am not playing this mode and lots of other players have fled already
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2v8 was a lot of fun in previous iterations. It’s not a lost cause. BHVR ruined it by implementing bots even after most people told them it was a bad idea. Introducing Legion, one of the most boring and unfun killers to play against, was also a bad idea. Keep the new elements that were added for survivor, get rid of bots, get rid of Legion, provide some better incentive rewards for playing Survivor role and 2v8 would be great again.
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@tyck92978 said:
it’s not even a question. I play both survivor and killer a lot, and EVERY time I play killer I am getting a 4k or a 3k if survivor camps hatch. When I play survivor, it seems the killer gets the same results I usually do and I die 4/5 times even though I am doing everything well. Not even sure how to fix this, maybe less heavy gen requirements in order to power exit gates? Seems like all my teammates refuse to do the one and only win condition…
You get a 4K every time you play killer unless the last survivor gets hatch? Ok, sure. Why are you wasting your time on this forum? You should be playing competitions or streaming and make some money because clearly you are one of the top players in the world. Pro streamers don’t even 4K “every time”
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It is a crutch perk for sure. A killer getting 2-3 kills from NOED at endgame because they played terrible for the whole rest of the match is super lame. There should be some kind of cooldown for one-shot hits to prevent killer from easily killing more than one survivor in endgame.
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If only someone would have warned BHVR that bots would make survivors not want to play and thus make the killer queue times even longer
🤦♂️
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steam 24-hour peak player count dropped about 20% already after one day. Players who jumped back in to DbD for the event are already sick of the bots (probably Legion as well)
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There’s zero chance that BHVR reverses course on the bots. They have a long history of sticking with changes even if those changes are very bad. A good example is the SBMM system. I don’t think they’ve ever publicly admitted a mistake other than the occasional “we overbuffed/overnerfed this perk or this killer”.
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Most people aren’t mad about 2v8 mode. They’re mad about the bots that are killing the player experience in this mode. 2v8 was fine and a lot of fun in previous events, except for the killer wait time. BHVR tried to address that with a solution that many, many people on this forum correctly predicted would be a bad idea because it would ruin the survivor experience and as a secondary effect make the killer wait time problem even worse. That’s what people are complaining about.
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@100PercentBPMain said:
If legon wasn't here we'd just be complaining about huntress. You're welcome BTW
Huntress was fine in prior 2v8 modes and was not widely complained about
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@Aven_Fallen said:
Yes, 2v8 is dead and they really should not work on it anymore. It is wasted time and there is no way that anyone can convince me of anything else.
The Devs spent a lot of time on something they should not have done and what they SHOULD have known better. That players who asked for 2v8 had no idea what they were talking about is expected and fine. But the Devs should just have known better. The game is designed for 1v4 and changing this after so many years just does not work.
Obviously adding Bots would not help much. There are still too many Killers for the Survivors who are playing and most likely some Survivors just dont bother with the mode anymore or did not bother because of the Bots. Because Bots are just deadweights and who would want that? I am happy that the Tome only requires two games in 2v8 and this is all I will play in the mode.
IMO there are two possibilities:
- Scrap 2v8 completely and never bring it back.
- Make it a fully PvE-Mode, 2 Killers against 8 Bots. Obviously they would need to make the Bots better to make it actually a fun mode, but then Killers could play together and the queue times would basically be non-existent.
Those are the only two options if you want the current 2v8 as it is - either there is none or it is PvE. Nothing else will work.
plenty of players, including me, enjoyed 2v8 during previous events. I 100% disagree that it’s dead. Putting bots and super unfun killers like Legion into 2v8 just made it way worse. Take out bots and Legion, make some tweaks to make survivor more interesting (or improve incentives to play survivor), and 2v8 is just fine. People who want to play killer will just have to deal with the long queue times. Tons of players were still willing to wait in line to play killer despite the long queue times.
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invocations are all terrible and not worth the time spent + downside of being broken rest of the match. If someone on my team starts using this perk, I immediately know the game is over
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@crogers271 said:
I really like 2v8 and hope it stays around.
But if the only way forward is 'bots', just throw it into a permanent custom game mode, wash your hands of it, and move on.
that’s the thing. Bots isn’t the only way forward. Yes, long killer queue times sucks, but the last two 2v8 were a ton of fun for both sides, IMO. More than enough people were willing to play killer despite the long queues. BHVR did not think this through and they ignored everyone who warned them what a disaster this was inevitably going to be. This event would have been great with the new elements added to the survivor side to make it more interesting and fun. No bots needed
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@Reinami said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3882846#Comment_3882846
IDK what survivors want at this point because:
- Anti-loop killers are boring
- Macro gameplay killers are boring
- Hit and run killers are boring.
Here's a question, what killers ARE fun to go against then? Because based on complaints as far as i can see, there is pretty much no killer that is "fun"
The only killers I don’t like playing against any killer except Legion (boring AF), Pinhead (unfair against solo q) and Skull Merchant (obviously).
I can’t speak for everyone else, but that still leaves a vast majority of the killer roster that I have no complaints about. -
probably happens as soon as match starts and survivors see it’s a Legion
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I honestly had a lot of fun playing as survivor in the previous 2v8 events. The buffs they gave to survivors last time made survivor feel pretty good to play. As a solo queue player, it felt a lot easier to escape in 2v8 than 1v4. I guess I’m just surprised that more survivor players didn’t enjoy it. Too bad BHVR nuked survivor experience into the ground with this event
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@Na1ts1rhc said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3882773#Comment_3882773
Alright fine… I'm a Legion main. I'm sick of hearing the term "mending simulator." Mending MAYBE should've been sped up for 2v8 due to the high speed nature of the game mode. How ever my point was Legion should be a welcome addition due to the fact not many other killers that can pressure a lobby of 8 people quite like him, making 2v8 less of a survivor dominated game mode. It's not like he's getting insta downs or anything crazy so is it really that big of a deal that you have to take a break a few times per game NOT ONLY from gens but also chases, mind games, side missions etc; to mend for 12 seconds? There's better things to be upset about fr.
Legion is miserable AF to go against no matter what mode it is. Hit and run is the most boring playstyle and it’s what Legion specializes in. You may enjoy playing as Legion, and that’s fine, but also realize that a lot of players including myself find Legion one of the most boring and miserable killers to play against
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all 60k are queued up to play killer
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it’s because everyone has already quit playing survivor in 2v8 mode because nobody wants to play with bots, which is exactly what everyone was telling BHVR well before this event started
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@Rogue11 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3882797#Comment_3882797
It's a multiplayer game. We don't want to play with ai teammates. Simple as.
apparently everyone who told this to BHVR a while ago before the event started was part of a “vocal minority” . I’m very curious where this giant crowd of pro-bot players are, because they sure as hell were not voicing their opinions on this or other public forums.
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(+2 survivor bots in lobby) - (4 players leaving because they don’t want to play with a bot) = a queue time disaster that many on this forum correctly predicted was going to happen
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@CakeDuty said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3882797#Comment_3882797
The biggest issue with bots are that survivors are dodging them, because going into a game with 2 bots puts your in a huge disadvantage. So this dodging time not only make queues worse for killer, but also survivors.
Second biggest issue with bots is how scared they are, they leave a gen almost as soon as they hear a heartbeat (which happens frequently with two killers on the map). One game of survivor I had bot Yun Jin, run corner map and not touch a generator all game. The killers ignored her, because they knew she wasn't helping.
Third problem is they don't last very long in chase, their pathing to edge of the map or triple vaulting a window, makes it easy to cheese them into dying fast.
There are probably more issues, but those are my top 3. They are so bad, they basically make the game a 2v6. Making it boring and easy to play killer, while frustrating to play survivor.If only we would have known before the event that survivors would not want to play with bots and that bots in general are bad in the game…
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@Rogue11 said:
Patiently waiting for the "lol bots are better than 90% of teammates" crowd to fill up those survivor lobbies. I thought we were told feedback was overwhelmingly positive for bots being added and we were just the "vocal minority"?
This is what we are told every time there is overwhelming negative outcry about a bad change but BHVR goes ahead and decides to make the change anyway. Apparently there are all these other mysterious sources of input that are in favor of these terrible changes.
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@CakeDuty said:
Now survivors are just dodging lobbies with 2 empty slots, because they're gonna get filled by bots. So first we gotta wait 10-15 min to get a lobby and then more to find survivors willing to play with bots. :/
Anyone else encountering this?
WHO COULD HAVE PREDICTED THIS??
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completely agree. Legion are totally miserable to go against in normal 1v4 mode. I have no interest in playing 2v8 knowing that I’ll probably face legion is a good percentage of matches, and on top of that having 2 bot teammates guaranteed. This whole event is already shaping up to be a total disaster for the survivor side
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@LockerLurk said:
The problem is, they previously tried all this and it didn't work, except pipping for grades which for the life of me I don't understand WHY NOT, it can't be that hard to implement.
The issue isn't bots, though they don't help. The issue is, nobody wants to play Survivor when the 2 part of 2v8 is and always has been the big draw.
The bigger issue is that Killer has simply always and always will be the much more fun mode. You never played Survivor "for fun". You played it to hang with friends.
I enjoyed playing survivor in the last 2v8 modes quite a lot. Unfortunately, but predictably, BHVR ignored the overwhelmingly negative feedback coming from the community and decided to go forward with bots anyway.
I would have been plenty happy to play survivor side in 2v8 again, but absolutely will not play this time because of the bots. -
This problem would easily be solved if BHVR implemented ping limits in lobbies, but they have made it very clear that they’re not going to do that. It’s a business decision by BHVR. They are betting that it’s better for the total player count and thus the bottom line to allow VPN abusers than to enforce ping limits and give local players a better and more fair experience. So far this strategy has worked - player count has remained stable and most people are not leaving the game because of this issue.
Also, you know you can always just pick a different lobby when you see something like this, right? You didn’t have to go into this match.
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As long as player counts hold stable or grow, BHVR have no incentive to spend resources on fixing all these issues. Just crank out new content and keep raking in the $
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normally I am sympathetic to the struggles of other killer players, but this is just very low-quality bait.
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@JPLongstreet said:
The overall issue is people not playing both roles to at least a competent level. Not only would they be better at their preferred role with such knowledge, but you get to see & feel the difficulties and problems from the opposite perspective. This would absolutely create some empathy for other players, outside of the super sweat competitors who do only play just one role.
yep, this is it. So much of the us vs them toxicity that we see on this forum would be gone if people actually played both killer and survivor role. It’s very clear that many do not.
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Don’t feel bad about playing killer the way you want to play. Some survivors will be toxic no matter what you do because they can’t be mature about losing in a video game. But also don’t go out of your way to be toxic to others, like purposely bleeding out an individual or team if they haven’t done anything toxic to you. Treat others how you would like to be treated.
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still pretty easy to win against solo queue and still very difficult against coordinated SWF. So basically the same as it has been for years