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Just end it with the hook there. If you hook someone the timer ends and everyone dies and the killers gets 50k BP for each survivor killed by the entity.
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The killers are literally the same. It is just you get one in each lobby not 4x so the chances he goes omg noob are 4 times smaller but killers do the same thing. I have seen it many many times. So it is just the human nature, kids playing the game etc
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Holy moly the people who play killers are just so mad over a game they can't even think striaght. Just to give an example on maps like Wreckers' Yard the basement is in the middle of the map and with Iron Grasp and Agitation a killer can literally down a survivor at any random place and still manage to get him to the basement. That is also true for other small maps like Springwood. The basement was ment to be a safe place for the killer, not an unescapable fortress. That is why you can't destroy the hooks there. And people dc even now when they are put ino the basement, dunno why some people say how NOW the surviuvors will be scared - yea sure - cause till now they just adored it
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@GraviteaUK said:
Yup that is how it should work.
Basically no more standoff, you get the hatch first or you lose, in this case you can still get a door to get out so not all is lost.
That's how it always should have been.
So it is time they also remove the ability the killer to catch the survivor on the hatch if he jumps first - which is what you just said - whoever get first to hatch should win now. I hope they don't forget to do that otherwise it will create a really stupid situation where the survivor has to run away from the hatch if the killer is after him cause he wil go after the hatch closing and the survivor can't do anything even though he found the hatch first obviously.
Another really strong suggestion is to remove the ability for killers to see the hatch before it is opened or this will create the situation where the killer hooks the 3rd person and run to the hatch cause he saw it and the dying animaton as we all know last FOREVER and it will be very easy to camp it until it is opened so he can close it
Also I wonder if adrenaline will also pop up if the hatch is closed.
The noed activation can be pretty bad if it happens very early. Even though I clear totems it just wont happen in the first 5 minetes of the game esp if its swamp or another big map so that may be a bit too much with the noed
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@PinkEricka said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/416981#Comment_416981
I honestly don’t understand why people want a NOED nerf so bad. I know it’s frustrating to get hit with it but all you gotta do is just cleanse all the totems and there won’t be NOED.
They need just to change it so bad players can't benefit from it. Just to explain what I mean - just imagine someone chasing just one survivor for the entire match which means all the gens will be done in 2-3-4 minutes and after that Noed will be up. I just won't have the time to clear all the totems on swamp lets say and Ill just leave in th end cause I don't want to deal with a bad player who will probably camp just so he can get more kills while he is still bad but he has the insta noed yupee . Noed should be connected to the ammount of hooks you had or hits on different surviviors to activate
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I mean we depip even for getting morried combined with the fact how hard is to pip now which is bullshit also
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They way I thought they can nerf is to make his insta down to require a certain range so you can't just hug the target and chainsaw. It is just stupid he can do that when thare is LF who does that too. Billy should be all about skill if u want to chainsaw and should be done from long range. And then he will become like the nurse - in good hands he is just way way way too good but in bad hands atleast hes gonna be doable like the baby nurses. Currently its just way to easy for good and bad players
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Been playing a few rounds.
Too bad the Ebonies are rare I guess. Sounds like it wont last for long and there will be another thread saying goodbye. DId I get it right ?
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@LordziPL said:
I play from 1.9.0 and I experienced better and worse as Survivor and a Killer.
What we need [my opinion]
2.7.0
Thanathofobia buff
Legion buff
Gen Rush nerf [90 or 100 sec of gen?]
Matchmaking goood
Bug Fixes
KYF rework [give player option to amount of survs/killers/pallets/hooks/chests - a map lighting change - it's friend 4fun gameplay, KYF need tweaks]
2.8.0 - Chapter 12
Chapter 12
End-Game improve
Low tier perk buff and QoL changes
Bug Fixes
Freddy Rework
Nurse tweaks [she's little Overpowered in good hands]
2.9.0 - Mid-Chapter Balance Update
The Dedicated Servers come [they didn't confirmed when, it's summer confirmed, 2.8.0 and 2.9.0 are in summer]
New Toxic Decrease
New Store things [emotes ; colours for flashlight]
Changes for unbalanced perks
Bug Fixes
3.0.0
Chapter 13!
New Gamemode/s
New Items
Some Free Perk [3-5 perk]
Overwatch
Bug Fixes
In my opinion 3.0.0 should be revolution like 2.0.0 and 2.1.0. A Content Update need to happen. Store was big revolution [with tutorials and PTB] We need a gamemode [even BETA] to game no die
And PTB's...
PTB is - Player Test Build
P l a y e r T e s t B u i l d - BHVR, do the small PTB's for players with proposition of reworks, content, buff, nerfing and gain feedback. Than next, next and BIG PTB WITH UPDATE. It's place we should test things and give you feedback - not testing 99% sure things came to the Live.
Please say you agree with me, I will discuss it with you ;)
I stopped reading after I read that the Nurse is a "LitLe" overpowered in good hands. Just a little little little so little like tinny bit . Some of you are just so unbelievable, just flying in the skies without having any connection with the reality. Go watch Zubat playing his nurse and count the seconds his rounds last. Don't worry you'd be able to do it cause it last just a bit over a minute after that everyones dead or DC.
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@Peanits said:
This was actually tested quite a while ago. The issue is that it could be abused by people who rush the hook or by people who intentionally sprint over to the hook when they get chased. If the killer tries to prevent them from unhooking each other right in front of them, the timer stops. While it does punish someone for camping, it also punishes people who don't camp.
Interesting. I never knew this was tested cause I was thinking about something similar for fixing the camp. How about the bar doesn't go down only IF the killer is in some range similar to the emblems punishment you made recently /where if there is a survivor nearby too that does not work/ ?
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@Andreyu44 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/402338#Comment_402338
Isnt that the point in a 1v4 tho ?
The killer should be stronger than the survivors in a 1v1 scenario.
The things OP listed have downsides and/or counters,while an insta heal (for example ) has not.
I might be the only survivor main that likes facing a mori ( not too many games in a row tho). Because you no longer have 9000 second chances,you need to be careful while playing;staying hidden from the killer wich,unfortunately, not a lot of survivors can do (all they know is looping).
Plus,people are disconnecting when they get downed by a Wraith or a Freddy ffs.
and people that dc when they are getting moried are the worst imo.
But it is them the killers who wants to delete blendette. I love to hide but they don't want to. They want to be able to see you. It is what they want. Also it is again them who wants the rare offerings to be not seen by the survivors which mean you dont know there is a mori than how do you play more careful if you don't really know there is one? I mean I like the way you say things but that's not how things work sadly. I love to hide around but in the end if the killer is after someone you have to do gens cause the moment all the pallets are down you run out of time and people will die. Also I don't think people "know" looping in an effective way. I can loop too but I am not that great after 400h. Running around a good killer is the hardest thing in the game
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@DwightsLifeMatters said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/401228#Comment_401228
There is huge gap between solo and swf and everyone who can think 2 steps ahead knows in order to get the best balanced experience for everyone it needs to be closed as much as possible without adding voice coms. Now, what we got so far? Obsession legs on ONE single survivor at best. No more attempts from the devs side.
Its not like we don't want solos to have fun. We actually want, cuz majority here plays solo. It's just the devs don't make any actions to do it.
Well I am a solo and I want to be able to communicate with other players so speak for yourself what is the best and the most balanced for you. Online games withouth any interaction with other players are just going to die because it becomes boring after a while
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It is still a bad perk though that needs to be changed. Just adding it cause it is important not cause in defense of MoM
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Mettle of Man rewards survivors for failure and punishes killers for succeeding. Mettle of Man has now become the literal "new pre 2.6.0 Decisive Strike".
I mean Noed actually fits the same description - it rewards the killers for failure most of the time
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I was quite sick of all the Wraiths, Trappers, Doctors, Freddys, Pigs, Hags, and, Spirits at high ranks.
I agree with all but Hag- just a little bit oveboard. Hag is just such easy to play killer with such strong tools. It is my favourite killer to farm points with. She is just so easy to use and 4k with I very often find myself leaving surivvors to run infront of me for points cause the matches dont last very long often unless you get a very big open map like the swamps
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@[Deleted User] said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/401524#Comment_401524
I played Freddy today.
I had to hit an Ash seven times to be able to even have the chance to hook him twice -- as the first time I hooked him (which took FOUR hits by the way), he deliverance'd right in my face. And then when I downed him again, I ate a DS too because apparently that's "tunneling (and I thought a minute had passed. Obviously I was a few seconds too early).
I never got that seventh hit in. Only got six. Insta heal, MoM, DS, Deliverance and Adrenaline. Also in a SWF so when he DS'd me, he was able to just sprint burst via Adrenaline with two gens popping at once while I was stunned.
That was the single most frustrating experience I ever had in this game. But this is apparently a knee jerk reaction or overexaggeration from me, is it? I'm not even a killer main. I play 50/50. That game made me legit want to uninstall the game. What's the point of playing killer where everything I can do is invalidated just because someone right clicks a perk and equips it and they all work just so... passively? What's the point of playing survivor when I can just turn it around where every mistake I do is nulled and meaningless because I can make another five and still be no worse for wear?
And let me just put emphasis that it was just one guy running that build. Imagine if it was all four survivors doing that kind of #########. A maximum of 28 hits to not even kill people, but just put them on death hook, assuming you never miss, they never heal any extra times. Just to hook each survivor twice. Just because they equipped perks and instant heals and nothing to do with their skill.
I don't want to play a game like that. I don't want anything to do with it, survivor or killer. It's not only bad game design, but it's boring game design too. It's literally just the same recycled perks over and over again that all ultimately do the same thing with a slightly different requirement -- "you ######### up but it's okay because you equipped a crutch."
Why can't we just have perks that actually require interaction and shake the game play in some interesting and meaningful way other than having to always play around a dozen perks that punish you by erasing your progress as a killer, and a dozen aura reading perks that punishes you by telling the killer exactly where you are as a survivor?
I've played vs Freddy yesterday - twice in a row. So what happened in the second game. I was the obsession - he had Dying Light. I ran him for a bit got down and hooked and then the camp started, got unhooked while he was nearby ofc ran for 20 seconds and then I got moried and depiped. After that game I came here just to post that targets who get morried should not depip for million reasons and then I thought - maybe I should just buy Ash I just can't deal with such bullshit like Moris and perks that are meant to encourage tunneling and camping. But I want to play other perks, there are so many other interesting perks but how can I if you are solo
For MoM I have millions ideas how they can change so that it can be more reasonable vs the weaker killers. After I read the comments maybe they should just not allow it to be equiped together with Adrenaline or DS or Insta Heals. The other idea I had is the stacks to be gained only vs special atacks only, while insta downs give you all the stacks - this way it would hit the strongest killers that they refuse to to nerf like BIlly and Nurse/after they fix thewcurrent state/, Legion and maybe adjust some more atacks to be special /like being under effect or even the surprise atacks, stepping on a trap etc /
After I gave it more thoughts I think that is the perfect solution for MoM - just make it not possible to equip it with Adrenaline which all the best players run today OR just make it not possible to procs both in one game - if you get MoM you dont get the effect of Adrenaline at the end and vice versa. Both will do for me
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Also targets of Moris should never depip .... It is really frustrating the new system to be demanding and then we have mori on the other hand thats not really that hard to use
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I also wanted the stun to be 2.5 -3 sec and not affected by Enduring so I don't have to run it anymore. And while I rarely run back to hooks I still get people run into me .... and I would just pick them up without even thinking and I really don't want to run Enduring just for that ...
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The perk should be on a separate cooldown that does not reset when in chase. That is all it needs. Not exhaustion but acting the same in chase. OR they should just add it it's own sprint burst effect when u actually stun the killer because that is the moto of almost all exhausting perks - there is a base effect + short spint. That is if its gonna stay an exhausting perk. EIther one of these will work for me but in the current state it is just a weak perk and really a lost opportunity to make a really fun perk which we have't seen for few dlc now for the survivors. /Man this perk would be such great counter to the basement camp if the killer is not fast enough to come back down there/
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The funny part part is that they can't punish dcs in loading screen and you know why ? Cause they can't tell if it's the survivor who dcd or its their sh... game that freezes all the time. Just saying while I am typing this my game just froze as a killer and I alt- tabbed so I can search on the forums why this bullshit havent been fixed yet / second time freezing for the past hour/. So if u see someone leaving during loading screen and u have some slow load its most likely someone froze instead and after he alt+f4 you enter the stage. So it is the devs do blame here I'd sade like half the time
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It will definitely hurt the new players. It is just so frustrating when someone does not know the basics of the game but you are forced to play with him cause of the flawless ranking system where good players are at rank 13 and bad players are rank at 4. And then when you add the horrible guides the game has that don't even cover things like scratchmarks/how long they last and when do you leave them for example/ things look really bad. Just imagine a new player who meets Myers with the mirror. How he will even find out how this build works. You cant even freaking see the addons of the killers anywhere/only after a game if you wait now/. You have to check the dbd wiki or another place cause its extremely hard to find the info inside the game. I can only imagine if I was starting playing just now and I had to wait if I even knew about that /cause that change is only mentioned in the patch notes so a new player may not even know about that for some time/. Most of my knowledge about the killers addons come from the aftergame screen checking addons and perks - and there are just TONS of these already it is kinda hard to keep up with all the new perks and addons
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Naa I definitely don't want it for every killer - it is just for wraith cause wraith doesn't really have that many special things it is just a simple killer that has to chase all the time. Sometimes the unloacking can be tricky but that is all.
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I wish the wraith had base stun reduction for exaple 50% atleast so I don't have to run Enduring all the time and have fun with other builds
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I want them to combine Iron Will and Quick and Quiet with Calm spirit and make just 2 perks out of them - the crows part go to Quick and Quiet and the urge to scream goes to Iron Will cause I really want to use these effects but just can't afford so many slots for random things that I may not need every game
For Lightweight the buff I'd like to see is for example when you do a gen for atleast 10 seconds the next time you start running /in the next 3-4 seconds after you stop doing the gen/ you dont leave scratchmarks for 3 seconds / it is possible not to work with movement speed buffs if its too strong - it is hard to tell about that/ -
@Wolf74 said:
There is no such thing as a "Locker vacuum".
You just hit the wrong prompt.
If you want that fixed, you have to ask for a better object placement.
No lockers in a certain radius around windows.
But talking about a "locker vacuum" makes you look like a weirdo.can everyone please get over the "pallet vacuum"-fix?
That crap was broken and way to long in the game.
Now every survivor tries to make up new "vacuums" that "also" need to get "fixed".Or they can just make the damn vault have its own button and everythig else another or just an option to change it/to multiple buttons/ if we want atleast
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To be fair I am not sure what the current state of pallets is anymore. After the last patches where they for example made pallets to stun the killer supposedly when they are pulled down and also made survivors invisible when unhooked until they gain control over their character things went really dark. During the halloween event lots of things got bugged but only few were fixed. For examaple the hook invis is currently gone and noone is even mentioning it like #########... I won't be suprirised if the pallets are just back to some shity state, have not paid attention myself recently cause usally ping is the major factor for most of the stupid hits - like you already on the other side of a window yet you get hit
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My idea of noed rework would be something that makes it useless for bad killers at least cause that seems to be the major problem here. So lets say something like - noed activates only based on how many survivors you hooked before the gates were powered. For example you need all 4 survivors to have been hooked at least once for noed to activate - which would also help against camping . Time spend chasing can be another requirement.
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Myers with 0 terror radius in evil within 1 is way more scarier ^^ . Also I am not sure if you are aware but when the devs made that new silent belt addon they basically changed an uncommon addon to ultra /the new silent belt/ and they allowed everyone to keep their stacks of the addon - for example if you had 300 stacks of the uncommon addon before the patch, after the patch people got 300 addons of the new ultra rare silent bell - fun right ?
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Doctor is just annoying but not really strong. He can slow down the game but he can't really kill you that easly like other killers. His shock therapy has really low range without addons and he relies on it very much to catch a survivor otherwise it is just a normal chase.../he is also slow in treatment mode/
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@only1biggs said:
"you can search across the forums" ...for absolute nonsense.
"you can find on this forum reports confirming my..." ...great, another lunatic that says stupid ######### like me!I have friends that say the opposite..easy to go to PC from console. Sooo, who's right here?
I've witnessed Diatech being spun on console as killer. He never gets spun on PC
Jesus @Haku just stop :')
*edit - Also.."they are facts for me if they are true for me". HOLY #########!! I just saw this. WOW. Okay, then I say the same thing. I 4k 90%. Therefore it can't be bullshit, based on what this absolute moron just said here. YIKES. Okay, sides hurting now. This guy is just crazy ascended!!! :'D
I just can't continue dealing with your stupidity. Your 4k facts are for XBOX dude, for XBOX, you don't have anything here in this thread for my platform and my region. You just can't follow simple logic god forbid making a logical conclusion. You have friends - I have too. Who is right ? Both sides are right ! What does that mean ? That there are differences across regions, platforms and we have to acknowledge that. What is your answer to that :
1. A guy makes a thread about a party vs killer being very disadvantageos which is probably the most reported thing on the forums/ on par with DS and campring probably/
2. Your answer - git gud / not acknowledging any differences here/
3. Someone else tell him to ignore you
4. Your asnwer - 4k ######### EASYYY 90%of time god mode - again not acknowleding any differences between your shity xbox and any platform that the guy may play on or region. You are just simply saying - fy you are bad cause I am good on my xbox so your statement is not true /even though you know nothing about him/ -
We don't need a second Billy either. I think the main reason for the cd is the dev just have already these killers with insane mobilty in the game and they just don't want to make another one. While the mobility on both Billy and Nurse is great they both get punished if they miss while using their powers while the spirit can just swing once more - there is just the normal atack recovery time which is very low or she can just continue to chase - there is no stagger after she gets out of her power. So I think it comes down to how hard it so for her to follow her target and how hard it is for a survivor to juke her while she's using her power - when we have definitive answers to these questions then the cd can be adjusted
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@skvirl said:
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@LightsOut88 said:
^^ I garuntee you this dude would get 0k as a killer. I can tell for certain, just from his weak comment. He talks about gittin gud but has no idea what its like to have to actually be skilled in dbd. First game against a micd up team and hed be opening a thread crying about it.There are a few people on the forum whose comments and opinions you can safely ignore without missing out on anything relevant.
I'm sorry, what were you saying?
4 DS, Insta Heal, 2 flashlights, 3 Adrenaline, DH, big spins lol... You get the idea. Oh, 3 gens left btw. 90% of my games end this way. Try again.
I can't believe u ran 2 addons that slow u down when uncloaked. I have to say it seems there is a big difference between regions. Like for example NA seems to be full of very low skilled high ranked survivors - that's based on some streams I watch. And for me for example in Europe just don't look that way even at rank 10 for my wraith. It it just extremely hard to 4k on wraith.Ofc there are always exceptions where u ######### on survivors if you find the weak link first. Vs a party I had once all totems cleared in a single match. One of them was running that perk to find them easier and my Noed didn't even activate. After that I started avoiding groups more often
Those addons give insane speed and map pressure.
There is no difference in region you silly fool, LOL. (don't mean to be rude) There is differing skill across all ranks and all regions, that's it.
It's not extremely hard to 4k with ANY killer.
Yes, there is you fool (don't mean to be rude) . I just gave you an example. It is normal there to be a difference. It is something extremely common for multiplayer games. You can check the most popular online games like lol or WoW for example ... in WoW - where EU dominates over NA for years now, or in LOL where Korea dominates for years over any other region. It is just that ppl in different regions are more skilled in certain games in general. Even in CS:GO / LOL/ where C9 where I think the first NA team to ever win a major just this year.
And of course in DBD there is this silly reset every month that cause even more troubles.You are talking about different games though. Look...it's nonsense. You can't just say, "oh but it's true" and have everyone believe you thinking that what you said was an example. It wasn't.
With that out the way, I'll say this.. I'm an EU killer, with EU survivors, so by your insane logic, in the real example I gave in the screen shot, I am a wizard and the very best. You see how stupid that is you maniac?
LOL
You are not a wizard, it is called puberty. Sadly I have to inform you that my experience is entirely on PC which has nothing to do with your experience on XBOX. The player base on xbox seems to be extremely small compared to the PC one which is 30k up to 60k/that was during the free week/. I am sorry but playing against the same players often doesn't make you even a good killer - it just mean you can adapt. If you haven't played on PC you just have no idea what is it and your opinion is just missleading cause of the lack of experience on the most played platform.
Also I can just say "oh but it's true" because I say that based on my experience in the game. It is what I see while playing, that is my opinion.
As I said all these games I mentioned are online games - DBD is also an online game. What the game is about doesn't matter. The fact is a fact - there are AWAYS regions that dominates over others. I just gave you an example with Wow and LOL because everyone knows these games and it is easy to understand and make the logical conclusion. I guess if you try again maybe ... no ?I knew this was coming.
"Oh, it's more difficult in EU"
"Well, I'm an EU killer, playing against EU survivors"
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"Well, you play on xbox!" (like this is an argument)Stop grasping at straws. It doesn't matter what people say to you it seems, you'll just find some silly way to
try and devalue their opinions.Oh, and saying something's true because that's your experience....sorry, try again. In my experience going to the dentist is completely fine and it never hurts. I know some people have a completely different experience when it comes to visiting the dentist. You see what I mean? Oh, and you claim something is true because it's something you see when you play, it's your opinion. Yeah, that is not the definition of a fact. Facts are NOT the same thing as opinions.
I'll end my comment by using your own logic against you: I find it funny that you try to explain how things are on console when you have no idea what you're talking about, since you play exclusively on PC.
It just one person I was arguing with here - there is no people. Don't assume things based on one conversation.
You can search across the dbd forums about the player base on different platforms. You can easly find on this forum reports from people who play on PS4 for example and they confirm my experience on PC - they had a much easier time on the console compared to the PC. My facts are based on my time spend in the game , they are facts for me if they are true for me. And they are. Opinion is when you say it is really easy to be a monster on a platform /with how many - 2 to 3 k player base ?/ and then then apply that to all platforms. Going to the dentist may not hurt for you and that is a fact for you beause it is true and you experienced it on your own. I've spend enough time watching games across different regions like NA where I can't play, reading TONS of reports across here, reddit and other places where people report similar things. Saying it is just me is not true.
I don't need to have an idea how things on are xbox when - first the player base is 10-15 times smaller and for me that makes it not a realiable sourse anyway BUT even if it is, let say we can use it - still you can't apply that to another platform - you just can't. You just can't Ez 4k wraith, god like 90% of time - I call that bullshit -
I don't think you should compare Spirit with Nurse from all killers - the strongest, and probably the most hated killer to play against. We don't need a second nurse. On the other hand while she can blink very often landing a hit actually takes a skill while that is not true for the Spirit. Her power is just way eaier to use, she can easly navigate and hit while phased. So lower cooldown is just unreasonable unless her hits become somehow skill based
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@only1biggs said:
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@Orion said:
@LightsOut88 said:
^^ I garuntee you this dude would get 0k as a killer. I can tell for certain, just from his weak comment. He talks about gittin gud but has no idea what its like to have to actually be skilled in dbd. First game against a micd up team and hed be opening a thread crying about it.There are a few people on the forum whose comments and opinions you can safely ignore without missing out on anything relevant.
I'm sorry, what were you saying?
4 DS, Insta Heal, 2 flashlights, 3 Adrenaline, DH, big spins lol... You get the idea. Oh, 3 gens left btw. 90% of my games end this way. Try again.
I can't believe u ran 2 addons that slow u down when uncloaked. I have to say it seems there is a big difference between regions. Like for example NA seems to be full of very low skilled high ranked survivors - that's based on some streams I watch. And for me for example in Europe just don't look that way even at rank 10 for my wraith. It it just extremely hard to 4k on wraith.Ofc there are always exceptions where u ######### on survivors if you find the weak link first. Vs a party I had once all totems cleared in a single match. One of them was running that perk to find them easier and my Noed didn't even activate. After that I started avoiding groups more often
Those addons give insane speed and map pressure.
There is no difference in region you silly fool, LOL. (don't mean to be rude) There is differing skill across all ranks and all regions, that's it.
It's not extremely hard to 4k with ANY killer.
Yes, there is you fool (don't mean to be rude) . I just gave you an example. It is normal there to be a difference. It is something extremely common for multiplayer games. You can check the most popular online games like lol or WoW for example ... in WoW - where EU dominates over NA for years now, or in LOL where Korea dominates for years over any other region. It is just that ppl in different regions are more skilled in certain games in general. Even in CS:GO / LOL/ where C9 where I think the first NA team to ever win a major just this year.
And of course in DBD there is this silly reset every month that cause even more troubles.You are talking about different games though. Look...it's nonsense. You can't just say, "oh but it's true" and have everyone believe you thinking that what you said was an example. It wasn't.
With that out the way, I'll say this.. I'm an EU killer, with EU survivors, so by your insane logic, in the real example I gave in the screen shot, I am a wizard and the very best. You see how stupid that is you maniac?
LOL
You are not a wizard, it is called puberty. Sadly I have to inform you that my experience is entirely on PC which has nothing to do with your experience on XBOX. The player base on xbox seems to be extremely small compared to the PC one which is 30k up to 60k/that was during the free week/. I am sorry but playing against the same players often doesn't make you even a good killer - it just mean you can adapt. If you haven't played on PC you just have no idea what is it and your opinion is just missleading cause of the lack of experience on the most played platform.
Also I can just say "oh but it's true" because I say that based on my experience in the game. It is what I see while playing, that is my opinion.
As I said all these games I mentioned are online games - DBD is also an online game. What the game is about doesn't matter. The fact is a fact - there are AWAYS regions that dominates over others. I just gave you an example with Wow and LOL because everyone knows these games and it is easy to understand and make the logical conclusion. I guess if you try again maybe ... no ?Yikes. Uhh okay?
It might not have occurred to you, but I play on multiple platforms. PC since launch. On various accounts (friends etc). By your logic my opinion matters most.
I'll just leave you to it I guess, your level of stupid just hurts my brain.
Your screenshot and your point was made for xbox /unless you provide something else /. You seems to be very active on xbox since launch and I don't really care if you have played the game on PC before since the game is not the same anymore, players are not the same, the experience is entirely different. What matters is now - the current state of the player base. Everyone is way more skille now, esp old players who have 1000+ hours in the game. So far you've provided almost no arguments but just one screenshot from the least played console - where you probably know the names of most players at high ranks and you even greet them here when you see familiar name because the community is just THAT small.
Also I have to say for someone who has a wife your language is very very poor and extremely rude and it is really hard to take you seriously in generalChecking up on me huh? You're being creepy. I've never told you that I was married..are you stalking me or something? What does my marital status have anything to do with this? LOL My wife also thinks you're a moron, by the way.
I provided a screenshot that was at hand and in context. So far all you've done is embarrass yourself. Good job :')
I don't know the names of all the players I meet on consoles, but your point here is invalid as it's region locked I believe. Most friends that play this game, across all platforms, run into the same players from time to time.
I have recognized one person here on the forum that I met in game. One.Please for the love of god, proof read your posts first, I can't take you seriously at all, based on the drivel you spout and the grammar you use. Or not, it's amusing.
Well if your wife thinks that way then you are just perfect for each other I guess.
You provided a screenshot that was at hand and in context but was also very misleading as I already said. It is the smallest community across all platforms, probably with the least skilled players /or on par with ps4/. It just does not provide meaningful information for the majority of the players/that are on PC/ and their problems as killers. The fact that you can't accept something so simple like the region/platform player base skill difference is just really sad but it is not surprising considering the vocabulary you useWe are indeed
Just stop dude. The playerbase is small and there are varying levels of skill across all ranks, all platforms and all regions. For you to say otherwise is just silly. Moreover, as I mentioned already, according to your logic, my opinion would hold more merit as I have played across all platforms.
Anyway, this is just a saga now, so, I'll leave you to your delusions.
Well I didn't say otherwise.I just said the same thing in my last post It is silly that you still can't understand and accept the fact that your experience on XBOX just won't be the same if you play on PC. That 4k wraith vs 4 SWF just not going to happen in my region on PC 90% of the time unless they are really really bad 90% of the time. You played across all platforms but never said when did you last play on PC so unless I see your steam account with current activity on DBD your opinion is just not relevant when it comes to DBD on PC because it is based on very old experience which I don't care about. We need current information for the state of the game...
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@only1biggs said:
@Haku said:
@only1biggs said:
@Haku said:
@only1biggs said:
@Haku said:
@only1biggs said:
@Haku said:
@only1biggs said:
@Orion said:
@LightsOut88 said:
^^ I garuntee you this dude would get 0k as a killer. I can tell for certain, just from his weak comment. He talks about gittin gud but has no idea what its like to have to actually be skilled in dbd. First game against a micd up team and hed be opening a thread crying about it.There are a few people on the forum whose comments and opinions you can safely ignore without missing out on anything relevant.
I'm sorry, what were you saying?
4 DS, Insta Heal, 2 flashlights, 3 Adrenaline, DH, big spins lol... You get the idea. Oh, 3 gens left btw. 90% of my games end this way. Try again.
I can't believe u ran 2 addons that slow u down when uncloaked. I have to say it seems there is a big difference between regions. Like for example NA seems to be full of very low skilled high ranked survivors - that's based on some streams I watch. And for me for example in Europe just don't look that way even at rank 10 for my wraith. It it just extremely hard to 4k on wraith.Ofc there are always exceptions where u ######### on survivors if you find the weak link first. Vs a party I had once all totems cleared in a single match. One of them was running that perk to find them easier and my Noed didn't even activate. After that I started avoiding groups more often
Those addons give insane speed and map pressure.
There is no difference in region you silly fool, LOL. (don't mean to be rude) There is differing skill across all ranks and all regions, that's it.
It's not extremely hard to 4k with ANY killer.
Yes, there is you fool (don't mean to be rude) . I just gave you an example. It is normal there to be a difference. It is something extremely common for multiplayer games. You can check the most popular online games like lol or WoW for example ... in WoW - where EU dominates over NA for years now, or in LOL where Korea dominates for years over any other region. It is just that ppl in different regions are more skilled in certain games in general. Even in CS:GO / LOL/ where C9 where I think the first NA team to ever win a major just this year.
And of course in DBD there is this silly reset every month that cause even more troubles.You are talking about different games though. Look...it's nonsense. You can't just say, "oh but it's true" and have everyone believe you thinking that what you said was an example. It wasn't.
With that out the way, I'll say this.. I'm an EU killer, with EU survivors, so by your insane logic, in the real example I gave in the screen shot, I am a wizard and the very best. You see how stupid that is you maniac?
LOL
You are not a wizard, it is called puberty. Sadly I have to inform you that my experience is entirely on PC which has nothing to do with your experience on XBOX. The player base on xbox seems to be extremely small compared to the PC one which is 30k up to 60k/that was during the free week/. I am sorry but playing against the same players often doesn't make you even a good killer - it just mean you can adapt. If you haven't played on PC you just have no idea what is it and your opinion is just missleading cause of the lack of experience on the most played platform.
Also I can just say "oh but it's true" because I say that based on my experience in the game. It is what I see while playing, that is my opinion.
As I said all these games I mentioned are online games - DBD is also an online game. What the game is about doesn't matter. The fact is a fact - there are AWAYS regions that dominates over others. I just gave you an example with Wow and LOL because everyone knows these games and it is easy to understand and make the logical conclusion. I guess if you try again maybe ... no ?Yikes. Uhh okay?
It might not have occurred to you, but I play on multiple platforms. PC since launch. On various accounts (friends etc). By your logic my opinion matters most.
I'll just leave you to it I guess, your level of stupid just hurts my brain.
Your screenshot and your point was made for xbox /unless you provide something else /. You seems to be very active on xbox since launch and I don't really care if you have played the game on PC before since the game is not the same anymore, players are not the same, the experience is entirely different. What matters is now - the current state of the player base. Everyone is way more skille now, esp old players who have 1000+ hours in the game. So far you've provided almost no arguments but just one screenshot from the least played console - where you probably know the names of most players at high ranks and you even greet them here when you see familiar name because the community is just THAT small.
Also I have to say for someone who has a wife your language is very very poor and extremely rude and it is really hard to take you seriously in generalChecking up on me huh? You're being creepy. I've never told you that I was married..are you stalking me or something? What does my marital status have anything to do with this? LOL My wife also thinks you're a moron, by the way.
I provided a screenshot that was at hand and in context. So far all you've done is embarrass yourself. Good job :')
I don't know the names of all the players I meet on consoles, but your point here is invalid as it's region locked I believe. Most friends that play this game, across all platforms, run into the same players from time to time.
I have recognized one person here on the forum that I met in game. One.Please for the love of god, proof read your posts first, I can't take you seriously at all, based on the drivel you spout and the grammar you use. Or not, it's amusing.
Well if your wife thinks that way then you are just perfect for each other I guess.
You provided a screenshot that was at hand and in context but was also very misleading as I already said. It is the smallest community across all platforms, probably with the least skilled players /or on par with ps4/. It just does not provide meaningful information for the majority of the players/that are on PC/ and their problems as killers. The fact that you can't accept something so simple like the region/platform player base skill difference is just really sad but it is not surprising considering the vocabulary you use -
Yea this change needs more work. I understand what they want to do but your point is also very good esp the one when the doors are opened - you have to be crazy to leave the only hook you have to chase a random person on the other side of the map. You just going to allow that person to escape too... unless you have noed for example and there is like only 1 more person up or you are a nurse or billy ...
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@only1biggs said:
@Haku said:
@only1biggs said:
@Haku said:
@only1biggs said:
@Haku said:
@only1biggs said:
@Orion said:
@LightsOut88 said:
^^ I garuntee you this dude would get 0k as a killer. I can tell for certain, just from his weak comment. He talks about gittin gud but has no idea what its like to have to actually be skilled in dbd. First game against a micd up team and hed be opening a thread crying about it.There are a few people on the forum whose comments and opinions you can safely ignore without missing out on anything relevant.
I'm sorry, what were you saying?
4 DS, Insta Heal, 2 flashlights, 3 Adrenaline, DH, big spins lol... You get the idea. Oh, 3 gens left btw. 90% of my games end this way. Try again.
I can't believe u ran 2 addons that slow u down when uncloaked. I have to say it seems there is a big difference between regions. Like for example NA seems to be full of very low skilled high ranked survivors - that's based on some streams I watch. And for me for example in Europe just don't look that way even at rank 10 for my wraith. It it just extremely hard to 4k on wraith.Ofc there are always exceptions where u ######### on survivors if you find the weak link first. Vs a party I had once all totems cleared in a single match. One of them was running that perk to find them easier and my Noed didn't even activate. After that I started avoiding groups more often
Those addons give insane speed and map pressure.
There is no difference in region you silly fool, LOL. (don't mean to be rude) There is differing skill across all ranks and all regions, that's it.
It's not extremely hard to 4k with ANY killer.
Yes, there is you fool (don't mean to be rude) . I just gave you an example. It is normal there to be a difference. It is something extremely common for multiplayer games. You can check the most popular online games like lol or WoW for example ... in WoW - where EU dominates over NA for years now, or in LOL where Korea dominates for years over any other region. It is just that ppl in different regions are more skilled in certain games in general. Even in CS:GO / LOL/ where C9 where I think the first NA team to ever win a major just this year.
And of course in DBD there is this silly reset every month that cause even more troubles.You are talking about different games though. Look...it's nonsense. You can't just say, "oh but it's true" and have everyone believe you thinking that what you said was an example. It wasn't.
With that out the way, I'll say this.. I'm an EU killer, with EU survivors, so by your insane logic, in the real example I gave in the screen shot, I am a wizard and the very best. You see how stupid that is you maniac?
LOL
You are not a wizard, it is called puberty. Sadly I have to inform you that my experience is entirely on PC which has nothing to do with your experience on XBOX. The player base on xbox seems to be extremely small compared to the PC one which is 30k up to 60k/that was during the free week/. I am sorry but playing against the same players often doesn't make you even a good killer - it just mean you can adapt. If you haven't played on PC you just have no idea what is it and your opinion is just missleading cause of the lack of experience on the most played platform.
Also I can just say "oh but it's true" because I say that based on my experience in the game. It is what I see while playing, that is my opinion.
As I said all these games I mentioned are online games - DBD is also an online game. What the game is about doesn't matter. The fact is a fact - there are AWAYS regions that dominates over others. I just gave you an example with Wow and LOL because everyone knows these games and it is easy to understand and make the logical conclusion. I guess if you try again maybe ... no ?Yikes. Uhh okay?
It might not have occurred to you, but I play on multiple platforms. PC since launch. On various accounts (friends etc). By your logic my opinion matters most.
I'll just leave you to it I guess, your level of stupid just hurts my brain.
Your screenshot and your point was made for xbox /unless you provide something else /. You seems to be very active on xbox since launch and I don't really care if you have played the game on PC before since the game is not the same anymore, players are not the same, the experience is entirely different. What matters is now - the current state of the player base. Everyone is way more skilled now, esp old players who have 1000+ hours in the game. So far you've provided almost no arguments but just one screenshot from the least played console - where you probably know the names of most players at high ranks and you even greet them here when you see familiar name because the community is just THAT small.
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@only1biggs said:
@Haku said:
@only1biggs said:
@Haku said:
@only1biggs said:
@Orion said:
@LightsOut88 said:
^^ I garuntee you this dude would get 0k as a killer. I can tell for certain, just from his weak comment. He talks about gittin gud but has no idea what its like to have to actually be skilled in dbd. First game against a micd up team and hed be opening a thread crying about it.There are a few people on the forum whose comments and opinions you can safely ignore without missing out on anything relevant.
I'm sorry, what were you saying?
4 DS, Insta Heal, 2 flashlights, 3 Adrenaline, DH, big spins lol... You get the idea. Oh, 3 gens left btw. 90% of my games end this way. Try again.
I can't believe u ran 2 addons that slow u down when uncloaked. I have to say it seems there is a big difference between regions. Like for example NA seems to be full of very low skilled high ranked survivors - that's based on some streams I watch. And for me for example in Europe just don't look that way even at rank 10 for my wraith. It it just extremely hard to 4k on wraith.Ofc there are always exceptions where u ######### on survivors if you find the weak link first. Vs a party I had once all totems cleared in a single match. One of them was running that perk to find them easier and my Noed didn't even activate. After that I started avoiding groups more often
Those addons give insane speed and map pressure.
There is no difference in region you silly fool, LOL. (don't mean to be rude) There is differing skill across all ranks and all regions, that's it.
It's not extremely hard to 4k with ANY killer.
Yes, there is you fool (don't mean to be rude) . I just gave you an example. It is normal there to be a difference. It is something extremely common for multiplayer games. You can check the most popular online games like lol or WoW for example ... in WoW - where EU dominates over NA for years now, or in LOL where Korea dominates for years over any other region. It is just that ppl in different regions are more skilled in certain games in general. Even in CS:GO / LOL/ where C9 where I think the first NA team to ever win a major just this year.
And of course in DBD there is this silly reset every month that cause even more troubles.You are talking about different games though. Look...it's nonsense. You can't just say, "oh but it's true" and have everyone believe you thinking that what you said was an example. It wasn't.
With that out the way, I'll say this.. I'm an EU killer, with EU survivors, so by your insane logic, in the real example I gave in the screen shot, I am a wizard and the very best. You see how stupid that is you maniac?
LOL
You are not a wizard, it is called puberty. Sadly I have to inform you that my experience is entirely on PC which has nothing to do with your experience on XBOX. The player base on xbox seems to be extremely small compared to the PC one which is 30k up to 60k/that was during the free week/. I am sorry but playing against the same players often doesn't make you even a good killer - it just mean you can adapt. If you haven't played on PC you just have no idea what is it and your opinion is just missleading cause of the lack of experience on the most played platform.
Also I can just say "oh but it's true" because I say that based on my experience in the game. It is what I see while playing, that is my opinion.
As I said all these games I mentioned are online games - DBD is also an online game. What the game is about doesn't matter. The fact is a fact - there are AWAYS regions that dominates over others. I just gave you an example with Wow and LOL because everyone knows these games and it is easy to understand and make the logical conclusion. I guess if you try again maybe ... no ? -
@only1biggs said:
@Haku said:
@only1biggs said:
@Orion said:
@LightsOut88 said:
^^ I garuntee you this dude would get 0k as a killer. I can tell for certain, just from his weak comment. He talks about gittin gud but has no idea what its like to have to actually be skilled in dbd. First game against a micd up team and hed be opening a thread crying about it.There are a few people on the forum whose comments and opinions you can safely ignore without missing out on anything relevant.
I'm sorry, what were you saying?
4 DS, Insta Heal, 2 flashlights, 3 Adrenaline, DH, big spins lol... You get the idea. Oh, 3 gens left btw. 90% of my games end this way. Try again.
I can't believe u ran 2 addons that slow u down when uncloaked. I have to say it seems there is a big difference between regions. Like for example NA seems to be full of very low skilled high ranked survivors - that's based on some streams I watch. And for me for example in Europe just don't look that way even at rank 10 for my wraith. It it just extremely hard to 4k on wraith.Ofc there are always exceptions where u ######### on survivors if you find the weak link first. Vs a party I had once all totems cleared in a single match. One of them was running that perk to find them easier and my Noed didn't even activate. After that I started avoiding groups more often
Those addons give insane speed and map pressure.
There is no difference in region you silly fool, LOL. (don't mean to be rude) There is differing skill across all ranks and all regions, that's it.
It's not extremely hard to 4k with ANY killer.
Yes, there is you fool (don't mean to be rude) . I just gave you an example. It is normal there to be a difference. It is something extremely common for multiplayer games. You can check the most popular online games like lol or WoW for example ... in WoW - where EU dominates over NA for years now, or in LOL where Korea dominates for years over any other region. It is just that ppl in different regions are more skilled in certain games in general. Even in CS:GO / LOL/ where C9 where I think the first NA team to ever win a major just this year.
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@only1biggs said:
@Orion said:
@LightsOut88 said:
^^ I garuntee you this dude would get 0k as a killer. I can tell for certain, just from his weak comment. He talks about gittin gud but has no idea what its like to have to actually be skilled in dbd. First game against a micd up team and hed be opening a thread crying about it.There are a few people on the forum whose comments and opinions you can safely ignore without missing out on anything relevant.
I'm sorry, what were you saying?
4 DS, Insta Heal, 2 flashlights, 3 Adrenaline, DH, big spins lol... You get the idea. Oh, 3 gens left btw. 90% of my games end this way. Try again.
I can't believe u ran 2 addons that slow u down when uncloaked. I have to say it seems there is a big difference between regions. Like for example NA seems to be full of very low skilled high ranked survivors - that's based on some streams I watch. And for me for example in Europe just don't look that way even at rank 10 for my wraith. It it just extremely hard to 4k on wraith.Ofc there are always exceptions where u ######### on survivors if you find the weak link first. Vs a party I had once all totems cleared in a single match. One of them was running that perk to find them easier and my Noed didn't even activate. After that I started avoiding groups more often
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@Ghost077 said:
Hello. I play in DBD 1 week, 15 rank. And i hate f***ing Pig, impossible to play against her. It is impossible to run away, because of crouching. It's a hell camping. If you are wearing a trap, you have to run all over map, search a key, where she will easily camping you. I have no idea, what to do against her. In all games against her, I was dying, and the other survivors too, 3 or 4.Maybe she is too strong for non-top players. Maybe this is just my problem. But will be great, if a was possible not to play against the most inconvenient killer. For example when searching in the game, were excluded those where the host a Pig.
Sorry, for bad english, i know him a little.You just haven't met the BBQ Billy yet. It will change your world.
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I was actually really surprised they made such a big map with so much brush and it is not on a side but around so many rocks in the middle. Seems a bit too much
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I like the idea ! I was thinking about a cooldown too. My idea - give it higher cd - 2 min or 5 min I don't care AND the cooldown resets down to 5-10 seconds the moment the person who got hooked and proc-ed the BBQ is unhooked so it is impossible to chain hook-bbq while the initial person haven't been unhooked yet. Also it will give some breath to the remaining survovors when someone dies or just kill himself on the hook - that won't reset the cd. Also they should def make it not working on survivors in dying state - there is a perk for that.
My other idea for BBQ and for the perks in general is to start limiting perks on different killers - at one point it will be impossible to design new perks without having troubles to balance them on every possible killer. It is just impossible. BBQ and fast moving killers is just an example -
I really don't understand why they had to make another healing perk. As many people mentioned here If you give us a nearly insta heal it would be too strong but if it's notthing like that it just a weak heal on others which we have anyway withouth any perks. I mean unless they had some super original idea about a healing perk they shouldn't even try to make one. The idea here was rng, takes time and luck but in the end is super strong which they realised it would be too strong and the perk just became nothing special - it is just better to take another healing perk IF you need one at all/ cause I never felt the need of perk to heal others - maybe its just me ..../. So in the end what worries me it that they went with that idea and they got nothing out of it - it is really sad
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Can you confirm that letting all wraiths keep after the new patch their Coxcombed Clapper add-ons which converted from uncommon to ultra-rare and led to people having an insane amount /200+/ stacks of the new ultra rares was intended ?
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@Wolf74 said:
@Haku said:
If it was strong on only one killer it was not gonna be used by 90+ % of the killers -That is downright wrong(a lie?).
The most used perk by far is Self Care with 84%.
No other perk is near that rate.
The use of BBQ is even behind Ruin and Ruin is in the same range as SB and DS.
Maybe you are just misinformed, but if you don't know any numbers, don't state them like truth.I have my facts based on the what I see in game playing around my rank. Currently majority of killers in high ranks run BBQ. I tried to find the list of most used killer perks where you got your numbers from and it seems it is from an official stream and people are reporting BBQ around 50% usage 7 months ago. Now here are my current facts vs your old facts unless you provide me a link with new stats
1. SC - part of Claudette's kit, one of the original survivors - date of release june 2016/the date DBD was released/
2. BBQ - part of Cannibal's kit, DLC killer - date of release - september 2017
3. Your info - date of release - 7 months ago is what I found but you can correct me here
So what we have here is your stats being collected few months after BBQ was released and almost 2 years after SC was released. Also BBQ is a part of DLC which means people have to pay for it/compared to SC which is free/. Also Cannibal cannot be bought with shards in game so you still have to pay for it. Also BBQ has been since its release only ONCE on the shrine/shortly after its release actually/ compared to 4 to SC which is also is free and easy to get - so you still have to pay for it. Now with all that in mind I'll change my initial statement to - "If it was strong on only one killer it was not gonna be used by 90+ % of the killers who actually have it -
@Wolf74 said:
@Haku said:
If it was strong on only one killer it was not gonna be used by 90+ % of the killers -That is downright wrong(a lie?).
The most used perk by far is Self Care with 84%.
No other perk is near that rate.
The use of BBQ is even behind Ruin and Ruin is in the same range as SB and DS.
Maybe you are just misinformed, but if you don't know any numbers, don't state them like truth.I use the information I have based on what I see in game around the rank I play. I check the killers perks after every single game I play. It is BBQ majority of the time in high ranks. I couldn't find the full list of most used killer perks where you got your numbers from but it seems it was from a stream and people reporting BBQ to be around 50% nearly 7 months ago. Now here are my current facts vs your old facts unless you provide me a link to current stats:
1. SC - part of the kit of Claudette Morel - one of the original survivors - date of release - june 2016/ the date of DBD release/
2. BBQ - part of the kit of The Cannibal - DLC killer - date of release - September 2017 - that's 12 months ago
3. Your stats based on official dbd stream - date of release - 7 months ago is what I found here but you can correct me
So we got your info based on facts release few months after BBQ was relealsed and almost 2 years after SC was released. Also we have to add here BBQ is part of a DLC which means people have to pay for it. Also the The Cannibal cannot be bought with shards in game. Also BBQ have been since its release only ONCE on the Shrine /shortly after its release actually/ compared to 4 times to SC which is also ** free and easy to get**. After all think I'll change my initial statement to - " If it was strong on only one killer it was not gonna be used by 90+ % of the killers who actually have the perk -
If it was strong on only one killer it was not gonna be used by 90+ % of the killers - it is for me very very convenient perk for the killers. For survivors I think they should atleast merge the WGLF and that speed healing perk when you unhook someone even though that may cause some problems with people going crazy unhooking instead of doing gens.
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Well I tried on discord but I didn't find anyone who can actually help me there either. All I heard was similar to what you said DocOctober - "that was intended, otherwise they wouldn't have just changed it" which does not make any sense. It is like justifiying any other problems the game may have currently with - if it's in the game it is intended. Well I just watched a video few hours ago where survivor spawns infront of the bunny on the new map. Can I call that intended or is it a oversight - something so simple though that should never happen but it still hapenned. And the more I think about it, even more problems I find about the whole conversion - like for example - uncommon addons cost 4k while ultra rares are 7k BP almost twice the ammount of the uncommon which means you spent much much less BPs on these ultras.
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@Wolf74 said:
BBQ was changed to solve survivor issues and still survivor complain..
So no, BBQ is not more powerful than WGLF, because basically all it does is made to benefit the survivor.Yep, what we call benefits here is a Billy who rushes and down 4 survivors on Cornfield in less than a minute just because he can see their auras. So what he does is hook - he sees 1 aura - rush and down him - rush back the hook, rushes the sad guy who went to help the hook, rushes back to the guy who downed first to finish the guy who went to heal him. GG ! Ofc that is a perfect world for him but I've seen it happens. And spare me the lessons how to hide from BBQ - I know very well. You just can't hide when healing or unhooking - imagine I am that guy. If there should be something to give the killer a reason to leave it should be on the survivor side - a perk or just kill the killers blood points or improved ranking where camping dont ever pip or depip - there are millions of options