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@Firellius said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2320972#Comment_2320972
Could even be blunt about it. I could see an Autistic survivor having a perk related to aural sensitivity, making them hear footsteps or killer noises more clearly.
I'd be for the perk idea but the design of teachable perks means that other survivors would be able to as well which would be a bit weirder.
I'm not autistic so if you think that it being blunt could work then 100% advocate for it!
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@KateMain86 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2320956#Comment_2320956
I'm not looking for deeper meanings in video games. I'm looking for reckless fun, cool characters and shiny loot to have my reckless fun with.
Then don't squint at the lore and continue to have fun it won't change anything. Doesn't change the fact all the games you've enjoyed have had at least some form of social commentary to them
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@PigMainBigBrain said:
Uhhh....how exactly do you "represent autism and schizophrenia" ? I didn't know Autism had a look....I mean its on a spectrum...and if you asked me we already have an autistic character by the name of David....
How do you do it? Subtly, in the backstories of characters, like they did with Claudette's tome.
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@KateMain86 said:
I'm supposed to feel represented in a video game? I don't want to be represented in a video game. I just want video games to be fun and give me an escape from reality, not remind me of it.
Then bad news considering video games are an artform, and Art represents a distorted version of reality 99% of the time. All you need is to squint at the deeper meanings and the true meaning of the game becomes clear. Games like Celeste, for example, do this wonderfully.
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@PigMainBigBrain said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2319069#Comment_2319069
It did actually...people actually complained because killers would avoid killing people with the LGBTQIAwhateverelse flag on their characters because they would threaten people in comments on steam and in game chat to report them.....which is exactly what we thought was going to happen....
1) LGBTQIA+. The plus is there for the exact reason as you put LGBTQIAwhateverelse, to acknowledge the rest, except it actually remains respectful while doing so, hence why most of my comments use lgbt+. Thought it'd be helpful to know.
2) Vocal minority being heard over silent majority. As is usually the case in this community. How many creators or regular players do you see that say "WOW HOMOPHOBIC YOU KILLED ME WITH THE CHARM"? Compare that to the amount who do. You probably can't create an accurate number because you just don't notice it, since they're usually the silent majority.
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@ryzen0849 said:
That Meg dared to disturb the hunter lying in wait.
All this salt is hilarious, though. I could've sworn survivors hated killer doing their job, killing, and preferred to hold m1 and escape.
Last i checked survivors preferred the interaction with killers in the 1v1 where both sides express their skills at the game and specifically hate holding M1 because it's boring as ######### but
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@MadLordJack said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2320770#Comment_2320770
The developer in me cringes so hard whenever I see someone trying to explain that (because it's so true). Personally, I wouldn't have a clue how to even begin with art (except writing), the only thing I ever did in that department was rigging, rough 3d animation and basic 3d asset creation, which I sucked at. Gameplay, programming and level design were what I studied.
Idk what's so complex about the idea that two seperate departments can work on two seperate things seperately but apparently its a foreign concept?
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@Product said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2319483#Comment_2319483
I'm saying they should spend their time actually improving the game instead of adding gay people, since adding gay people really doesn't benefit the game as much as fixing the new map would.
And both the lore team and gameplay teams are two completely seperate ones who's decisions do not really impact the decisions of the other so we can have both :D
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@kate_best_girl said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2320421#Comment_2320421
Okay that was back then this is now. In the west LGBT is hugely accepted, we have our rights we won the battle why do we still need to push everything in front of people? Its literally what's making people hate us again. LGBT acceptance rates are dropping and if you ask most 'homophobic' people its because of things like this. Its cause pride is constantly shoved down everyones throats and its annoying.
If lgbt is hugely accepted in the west let me know why conversion therapy is still legal in most Western countries. Tell me why discrimination is still incredibly high, especially against lgbt bipoc, tell me why trans hatecrimes are also astronomically high. Tell me why there's still serious inequality and why celebrating the fact that we are different - and still deserve equality - gets the homophobes all riled up because God forbid they not be at the front and centre of something for once.
Representation is incredibly important. Also, if you'll notice, not many people were asking (as you say, demanding) for an lgbt+ character until the devs themselves announced they'd add one.
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@Purgatorian said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2319934#Comment_2319934
I wasn't angry, wraith was. I just wanted her to be made an example of. I was not afking, I was defending my totem, no harm in that. I had a plan, she was spontaneous. Only one gen had popped, I had plenty of time on my hands :)
Wraith is the character you play as, but no you clearly were angry if you did that to her. You refer to yourself in first person with actions but use third person for emotions and I think it's meant to sound cool but it just sounds like a self-insert fanfic from Wattpad I probably wrote when I was 10
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@kate_best_girl said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2319890#Comment_2319890
Its obvious everyone doesn't like this idea and never has. Doing these meaningless things only makes the LGBT look worse and it always feels pushy and seeing the people they promote something tells me this character is gonna be just one big cluster of stereotypes.
Yes, MiladyConfetti, amazing Ace representation is just one walking stereotype right?
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The Twitter web is continuing to tell me that console is definitely still awful rn just in case everyone's forums testimonies weren't enough
https://twitter.com/vetrix_tron/status/1409918498101399560?s=19 -
O...kay?
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@Pilot said:
Do we need more?
Yes
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@bm33 said:
Adding diverse characters is great. Lore has 0 effect on gameplay, just makes some players happy to get some representation. Don't need representation? Good for you, but others do and it won't hurt the game to give it to them.
I do find it funny that reasons for not putting gay character is because "politics/relationships don't belong" when multiple characters already had relationships/politics in their lore and no one said a word. Also funny that those that "don't care" pop up on every lgbt+ posting arguing against it while saying they don't care. 😂
I don't particularly care and wouldn't mind but-
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@Pulsar said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2319564#Comment_2319564
I understand the difficult situation you are in, but quite honestly, that's not going to be good enough for people anymore.
They were told it was being worked on in March of 2019 (and even before).
When every other promise has been broken, and every other acknowledgement has yielded nothing, people aren't going to be satisfied with that anymore.
They'd like something more tangible. Improvements they can see.
March 2019?
Try December 2018.
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@Mooks said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2319759#Comment_2319759
I have seen killers sparing specific survivors (one let me go just because I am a Kate) and killers targeting specific survivors or survivors that have on common trait.
why would LGBTQ+ be a reason for exclusion but other traits or anything not?
Because gay bad me no like gay >:(
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@Dito175 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2319527#Comment_2319527
It wouldn't be something new, take a look at Yui and Zarina's lore, they were great stories and adressed politics.
Don't forget Jane's archive too
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@Verconissp said:
You can't really make someone LGBTQ+ On here...
Imagine all the hate you'd get for killing just ONE LGBTQ+ Character...
I mean. go look what happened with the pride charm...
Yeah everyone on twitter and the forums made a bigger deal than it was as an excuse to continue their thinly-veiled homophobia
What an absolute tragedy.
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@dspaceman20 said:
@GoodBoyKaru look another one for the checklist
The moderator that will come in to tell people to be civil but no one will listen.
You called Orion and I too, we're practically celebrities 💅
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@DBD78 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2319525#Comment_2319525
No? Rainbow flag is everywhere. It's not wrong, but it's political.
@dspaceman20 you called this bit too
(btw gay people existing isn't political and if people weren't ######### for the majority of history it wouldn't even be an issue today ❤️)
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✨Hackers✨
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If it helps that's par for the course in threads like these
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@Product said:
Things to do in Dead by Daylight:
1) Get the RPD map working
2) Make survivors less strong at high level play
3) Reduce bloodpoint grind so that people don't have to play 3,000 hours to max out a character
4) Fix indoor maps being terribly designed
5) Fix ghost face's reveal mechanic
6) Balance/fix terrible perks on both sides
7) Buff terrible killers (Legion, Trapper, Clown)
I think adding a gay survivor can wait
Lore team and gameplay team do not impact each other in any meaningful way so lucky you, you get both
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@nursewannabe said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2319430#Comment_2319430
Also, "again"? I didn't read the whole thread i just replied to you, 4 pages of stuff is too much :(
yeah ive said the same stuff several times this thread :)
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@nursewannabe said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2318862#Comment_2318862
I kinda agree with that though
Did you see the Netflix teaser trailer of Q-force? I'm gay, and I'm legit horrified by that. I don't want that kind of "inclusiveness"
Qringe
Now let me clarify: the devs used heterosexual aspects of characters storylines to fit the plot, and so they can do with homosexual characters. All I want is not to be forced into a cliché, which is what happens way too often in general. But then again, we don't know yet how they will implement it, so there's no point arguing out of conjectures
Again, I have yet to see someone say that Q-Force is great representation that we should have in everything, and most people I've spoken to want subtle, equal representation. A photo in the background of a guy and his husband, using they/them pronouns and that's it- nothing explicitly "I'M A FLAMING HOMOSEXUAL" or "I'M NON-BINARY AND I WANT YOU ALL TO RECOGNISE THIS IMMIDIATELY". Subtlety is what people want and the devs have managed it with everyone (except for Frank + Julie, but we pretend they don't exist).
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@pseudechis said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2318862#Comment_2318862
Because that's often how its used and portrayed. Its also what a large portion of the population kind of expect (a sad truth but a truth none the less).
Just look at the trickster, we have a flamboyant, limp wristed, pretty boy running goofily around the map throwing sparkle daggers. The first string of posts and a constant ongoing theme about him right up to release (and after) was his sexuality, based purely on the aforementioned terrible cliché design. Ergo he must be gay because he conforms to a terrible stereotype about gay people.
That's not representation and the fact he isn't gay is about the only redeeming feature of his design, otherwise he'd be truly irksome rather than just generally terrible.
To avoid this the sexuality of a character would be a note in the tome backstory, otherwise you risk reinforcing a negative stereotype. I can see why it hasn't been implemented yet because not matter what you do you're gonna piss off somebody. Given how people can take even the most mild of offense to the extreme these days it can snowball into all kinds of BS down the line.
I have only played sporadically lately did they end up releasing the pride charm? Its a token gesture like most online gestures, but at least its a start, wherein you can say "I support people's right to love who they choose without persecution even in this largely inconsequential online game".
To answer your last point yes, they did add in the pride charm. Personally, I love it and use it on everyone though I'm well aware that it doesn't seem like much.
avoid this the sexuality of a character would be a note in the tome backstory, otherwise you risk reinforcing a negative stereotype
To be fair, this is exactly what everyone I've seen has been asking for. Saying "His boyfriend" instead of "His girlfiend".
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@JimboMason said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2319202#Comment_2319202
when can I blow up the killer?
Soon:tm:
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@ProfoundEnding said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2319165#Comment_2319165
Yes, all I want is an elderly woman (Bill's age) and more survivors who aren't considered "attractive" by society's standards.
Although I'm sure if a survivor isn't good looking, that means less sales on cosmetics so maybe they're afraid to go down that route?
New perk: Decieve
Despite your age, you're perfectly able to fight back.
Stun the killer 4 times to activate this perk. The next time you stun the killer with a pallet, it lasts for 1/1.25/1.5 seconds longer.
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@Tricksters_30thBlade said:
Honestly isn't needed dbd doesn't need gay characters it doesn't change anything.
If it doesn't change anything then I see no reason for it not to be in the game :)
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@Edilibs said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2317954#Comment_2317954
Didnt you read my post? I said i use Undying/Ruin/BBQ/Pop with Freddy so im gonna have Pop regardless. Once again the problem is it going in the first 30 seconds and having 2-3 perks per game. It can last the entire game or it can go really fast, thats why i said (In the title) its best to learn how to play with 2 perks. You really have to assume that they'll go down quick.
Imma be real if your ruin + undying is going that fast use a different perk combo.
Also, Ruin + Undying + Pop on Freddy and you still can't prevent gens being done? Maybe the issue lies elsewhere.
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I'm also loving the "the map will still crash, but chill out it's not that bad" mentality. Why even push the patch out?
Oh I don't know, maybe to make the game semi-playable on the Switch, help reduce OoM crashes, and very slightly improve console optimisation while still working on it? Alongside fixing a couple of minor bugs. Just a guess though
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@dspaceman20 said:
Ok so here is how this post is going to go down.
People are going to come in saying something mildly homophobic possibly saying " lgbt characters shouldn't be in the game" and they will claim they won't care which completely contradict themselves by posting at all.
A moderator will pop for a few seconds and remind everyone to be respectful and no one will listen.
Then there is going to be those edgy homophobes posting, then GoodBoyKaru10, Mooks and Orion ect is going to get into an argument with said people about this subject with everyone being passive aggressive.
Then this post will get over 200 comments and completely shift to politics or religion regarding lgbt and then a moderator will come in and shut this post down and bring us all back to earth from arguing with their wisdom and then this post will fade into obscurity.
Did I miss anything or did I sum up correctly the events that is going to take place?
Hey at least I'm famous around here :D
You're not wrong though
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@LylakLavender said:
This thread has the potential to become very bad very fast. If you say leave sexual orientation out of it you become a homophobe, if you say do it you become a person capitulating. The thing is how many people would get reported for killing a survivor that is LGBTQ+. Didn't this happen with the flag charm? Basically that person would be completely off limits for fear of being banned.
No, this hasn't happened with the Pride charm. The devs specifically require proof that you have been targeted throughout several matches (which has always been bannable) or proof your game was griefed because of the charm. It would be the exact same situation here.
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@ClumsyTrapper said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2318975#Comment_2318975
Pass if you want but I wouldn't care about them adding anything they can think of, After the game actually works. The state of the game and the revenue it produces don't match. The players (customers) are being ripped. You don't see issues like this in another game. I like to think to overwatch gameplay, bug fixes, then art lore etc. No one cares if the in game charter is straight or gay we all just want the game working properly first
Correction, you don't care. A lot of people do care for representation, as well as caring for the game functioning at the same time. It is possible to want two different things simultaneously, you know?
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I'm assuming it'll be lower quality but more stable 30
https://twitter.com/DeadByBHVR/status/1409886992578617350?s=19Though if this reply is anything to go by then it should look a bit better, actually, bevause shadows will be toned down substantially
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@meatisadelicacy said:
I will be running Jane in honor of all this cake
David and his pecs 🤤
And Pyramid head too
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@ClumsyTrapper said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2318935#Comment_2318935
I wish that was true but with what history has taught us about this game it's that literally anything added in can cause any number of random bugs to literally any other random and unrelated part of the game.
Anyone remember when some survivors voices were adjusted and it caused Leatherface to get stuck in the chainsaw rev for the rest of a match unable to do anything?
Anytime they add so much as a line of text the game I live in fear of the random bugs it will bring, it's why this game is still under the horror category
"I wish that was true but with what history has taught us about this game it's that literally anything added in can cause any number of random bugs to literally any other random and unrelated part of the game."
I'm sorry you really think using "His boyfriend" instead of "his girlfriend" in a line of lore added- again lore has yet to break the game- will lead to half the game being bricked? Whilst if they'd used the non-lgbt+ version the game would work perfectly?
Imma have to pass there chief. Things are a bugged mess of problems, this ain't one of em.
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@smexxyhexxy said:
is there going to be double bp or what
Does the summary say there's going to be a double BP? If its not there then they didn't say it.
I'll save you reading and let you know that no, it's not in the summary, and so it hasn't been mentioned as a yes or a no.
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@jester20k said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2318923#Comment_2318923
I said not sure why, not not sure when.
Well feel free to ask the devs all about why they wrote the Nurse on the way they did.
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@ClumsyTrapper said:
I just want a health chapter focus on gameplay map design and bug fixes
Rather fortunately for you the lore team and the development team are two seperate departments and the decisions of one do not impact the other so we can have both!
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@jester20k said:
I hear this is reportedly a game about brutally murdering people. Not sure why it started getting so hung up on representation and sexual orientation tbh.
Roughly August 2016 with the release of "The Last Breath" chapter, featuring the killer "The Nurse".
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Not really the comeback you thought it was, try again
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@Marigoria said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2318872#Comment_2318872
Someone being lgbt a lot of times isn't visible.
And you mentioned because straight people make their personality about their sexuality (even though being in a relationship is not really the same), there is a really bad stigma about LGBT characters being made in a way that all that there's about them is the fact that they're lgbt (a really good a recent example is q-force).
I think instead of making a character that the whole focus is their gender/sexuality, it should be mentioned in a lore like it's just that, a lore part. Like they did with david having a girlfriend or whatever.
That's what we all want, to be fair. Equal treatment to what they did with David and Felix, at most Nurse. At least everyone I've spoken to wants that
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@Marigoria said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2318862#Comment_2318862
Not all of us want to be a stereotype in a video game
What makes you think they'd make it a stereotype? Seriously, I'm interested, because the lore writing team have proven themselves mostly competent thusfar.
Edit: not to mention they're working with lgbt+ charities to get this representation right.
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I vote for being more diverse through multiple lgbt+ characters, for a start. Just to eliminate any and all arguments of tokenism, have a gay character, a bi one, maybe non-binary too.
Asides from that, I agree. Neurodivergant people being shown as survivors instead of the typical stigma of killers would be welcome to me
Also more diverse body types. Jane and Jeff are welcome editions, even if I hate Jeff because he reminds me too much of me. More of them please and ty bhvr.
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@FregglesFred said:
Gay isn't a personality.
Do not count this as a homophobic thing. Devs like to use that trait as their main personality.
Devs can use heterosexual relationships just fine without making it a personality (except Frank and Julie let's ignore them) so idk why everyone brings up the possibility of an lgbt+ character, especially one in a same-Sex relationship, being written like that
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https://twitter.com/DeadByBHVR/status/1409881986588684289?s=19
At least they're acknowledging things and aren't, ya know, ignoring everything right now. There's something positive from this ordeal.
There's still very slim hope.
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@supersonic853 said:
Wait did a mod get baited and change the title? Lol
Or they saw it as violating the "don't make light out of a serious issue" rule :/
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None, I've been spending everything on Jill to get her to P3 so when I level her I don't waste any items