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@Delfador said:
This is my personal experience.
When she uses her ability for map pressure, she has no weapon against loops. It takes too much time to charge it while she has %110 ms. When she uses it in chases, a lot of pallets are not being used so you always have protection against her.
Her ambush is not that good. I need to be honest, maybe I didn't face enough good killers but I am in the red ranks too.
She is fun to play and go against, I have no objection here.
I think you are making a mistake when you say there are 4Ks etc. I don't think that I have ever done a generator in the PTB. Why would I sit on a generator, try to win the game in PTB? I generally follow the killer, try my new survivor perks, try to get her attention to chase me so that I can observe. It will be very different experience when she goes live because everybody will start to try to win the game as usual.
^^^^^^ This
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@ZombieGenesis said:
So people comment that she's "slightly underpowered" and they're crybaby whiner losers but you can comment that she's "quite good" when both sides have the exact same amount of information to go on and that's reasonable?You basically summarized the history of DbD in one sentence.
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@Michiko said:
Nice! I wonder if they'd consider those licensed though. They'd probably have to make knock-offsI really don't think so, as Kuchisake is basically a myth/urban legend.
And Oiwa is coming from "Yotsuya Kaidan", a Kabuki play writed in 1825.
Should be good ahah.
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@AStupidMonkeyy said:
@WhateverIGuess said:
REEEEEEEEEEE I actually have to learn how to play the new killer REEEEEEEEEEEEEE Trash! Pure trash! Ugh, I'm disgusted!Don't come on a forum and start acting like a dou**e for no reason.
Note that this "thing" got 7 "awesome".
We got the community we deserve i guess...
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"...and you don't play meta killer ?
Lmao ######### you
"More or less.
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1 week later :
"She's fine as she is, devs said so
Quit whining, we all , as a community, worked hand on hand to balance her and make her FUN (TM).
Don't be tahxic
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@Dwights_leftfoot said:
I think they are being babies also. I'm starting to wonder if we should ages before people are allowed on the forum. I pointed you out because after watching people play all day yesterday, I was excited to read the feedback. So many negative posts but you seem all over them and the most negative. If she is that bad don't play her or buy her. Play your current main and stop complaining till you see how she is when she comes out of the PTB.
PTB is there to give feedback (that can be edited later) and you tell him to shut up .
Are you ok ?
@Dwights_leftfoot said:
If it comes out of the ptb and no feedback is heard just don't buy her. Consumerism at it's finest grind the character for perks or wait for them to get in the shrine. The idea of I'm not happy but let me give you money for an inferior product is foolish.
On this one we can agree.
But why should i have to "boycott" it when there is a PTB who can potentialy change thing for the better... with feedbacks.
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@Master said:
No, sadly you cant do anything about flashlights. The only thing would be franklins, but it only drops the flsahlight and survivors can simpy pick it up again. Franklins becomes pretty much useless when a SWF uses multiple flashlights, the survivprs can even inform each other where the flashlight lies on the floorAlready knew it.
Just make it writted by both of us, so people who would read could see what's wrong.
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@Dwights_leftfoot said:
@ZombieGenesis said:
Well, I'll say this, we're now over 24 hours since she was released and all of the things people were dubious about yesterday at 2 hours they remain dubious about now at 26 hours. So I'm not sure how "knee jerk" a reaction it was. Again, some people sure made the usual "Killer sucks, garbage chapter" posts but they were actually a minority. Oh well. It is what it is.Still doesn't seem like a reasonable amount of time to start crying about a new killer.
That will be reasonable when it will be released.
Then peoples will tell us : "Everything is fine, quit whining
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@Zanfer said:
Well yeah flashlights are the weakness
So his counter to multiple flashlight is to dodge ?
No in-game features ?
Not a really good game design.
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@xChrisx said:
Wraith and hag playable without addons i dont think so. Btw yeah she deserve a buffEvery killers should be viable without addons.
Addons should reward playtime (bp) with small QoL bonus, not be mandatory to play a character.
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@RSB said:
I don't think so, Janick went with his rude comments, and rejected all negative feedback (reasonable feedback, I would say, made by experienced players). I just think they make underpowered killers, just to buff them in PTB, so the killers are happy, because they have been buffed (placebo), and survivors are happy, because the killer is mid-tier at best.
Don't bother, they will group against you and try to make you feel bad about it.
Like every threads down here, plagued by biased survivor main.
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"We got the hero we deserve" i guess
/sBut you're not totally wrong i'll give you that.
That affected me in a way or another with the time.
You'll never see me starting a flame thread or trolling people for the sake of it tho.
EDIT: ^^^^^^^Also yes @George_Soros you're right. I'm out.
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@George_Soros said:
Let me just say I didn't mean some poorly concealed insult by implying that you're one of them mindless youngsters. Sorry if this is how it came through.
I just don't get it why is so called "toxic" behaviour is such a big deal, either in games or social media, etc. What's the worse that could happen there? Bad words? Teabagging? Flashlight spamming at the exit gate? Such trifles. I'm not saying it's a good thing, but seems so insignificant. I just wish people, young and adult alike learned how to return insults with more something more painful, verbally or otherwise. Principles like "don't feed the troll" or "be nice to each other" just don't work.No problem, sorry too for sounding harsh.
I think i don't need to explain to you where the toxicity is coming from.
The addition of multiple flaws in-game coupled with the after-game toxicity, glorified by multiple streamers, endorsed by the devs.
The list goes on, and wouldn't even had took this proportion if the devs had integrated back then a decent report system.I get what you explained, but as much as you can't tell to everyone "be nice to each other" you realisticaly can't ask everyone to be enought strong/having repartee to face everyone or everything by themselve.
Evolution isn't something defined, it don't care what is good or bad (relative, i know) or if it go to the disaster or not.
We are enought smart to not let things rots on place, and to at least try to mitigate and direct it for the better.
Only with time, of course.
And it can be applyed to everything.
@Mc_Harty so answering to shits like "KiLleR OnLy WHaNt FrEe 4K" is being a SJW ?
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@pauloandrade22 said:
What is wrong with fighting toxicity? i think thats great personally.
"Some peoples just want to watch the world burn"
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I'm personally waiting for 2 sets, and hope they would be unlockable with shards x)
A Kuchisake-onna set.
And an Oiwa set.
Both fit perfectly has it basically is the ancestors of the Spirit.
Both would be terrifying.
Google both names if you don't know them.
I can already see a scratched japanese funeral dress and kimono as outfits ^^
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@Mc_Harty said:
Or i can rephrase it that way if you prefer :
"I don't let some child (to stay polite) behave without them facing opposition"
If you enjoy the game as it is, nothing i can do for you, it's a matter of values at this point.
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To fight the said toxicity.
Not letting peoples spewing lies and non-sense to keep the game unbalanced (worked well for them sadly)
To try to not get another Freddy's fiasco.
I know that there are other Veteran down here WAY BETTER than me at this, but hey, i can still try to help.
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@George_Soros said:
I don't mean to be mean, but I can't help wondering: all the people who complain about toxicity and being bullied IN A GAME... what do you guys do in a RL conflict? I mean, someone starts throwing insults at you at a bar? Report them to... whom, the bartender? Someone says nasty things to your girlfriend? If you had some idea how REAL bullying or REAL violence works, you would not give a damn about "toxic" players in a virtual environment. I know I sound like some old dustfart (which I am) but the X/Y generation is so weak... it's worrying me. Just learn how to punch someone in the face or how it feels to be punched in the face, and you won't give a toss about "bullying" in a game.
I don't get bullied IRL.
And no one will come and told me to kill myself in a regular basis, especially without facing consequences.If someone do whatever you have enumerate, i perfectly know what to do and will not go into detail on how since it will be used against me sooner or later as an "argument" (lul).
I'm a an adult, who now how to defend himself, thank you for your "concern".
I just don't like bathing in my own "dirt" and enjoy toxic behavior in general.
Even less in a supposed adult rated game that i paid and love.
There is always toxicity and there will always be.
But games usualy try to minimize it, and no endorse it like it was the case.
Also this generation X/Y you are talking about also tend to reverse values and glorify bad behaviors on the web.
Not everyone of course, but there is a trend since a long time now.Coincidence ?
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@Vietfox said:
You talked about ochido fans, in my discussion, talked about trolls and assumed i was a troll as well, so yeah, can be easily related.
Sorry mate, but you are only making it worse for yourself.And here you go with the strawman argument.
I simply said that in an healthy community and game, streamer like Ochido would never have been so popular.
Don't tell me that he hasn't plagued the community for a long time, and left a mark on it.
That this game isn't an imbalanced toxic mess.Good step are sometime made in the right direction, but it take long.
But no, when "reading" that you all lose your mind and jump on argument like this :
@Mc_Harty said:
I played survivor once... suddenly I felt a compulsion to subscribe to Ochido.
(Seriously though, it's amazing how ######### up he is.)
Not gonna lose more time on a sterile school yard argument.
Like i said, no matter where you go, this game's forum remains the same.
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@Vietfox said:
Do you think i like Ochido or his gamestyle?
I don't know you, how is it relevant to what i say ?
You could, since the majority of survivors i face ingame are wannabe Ochidolings or are acting that way without even knowing him.
Because the game allow them to.
And like with childrens, spoonfeeding a part of the community while ignoring the other create entitlements and toxicity.
Logical.
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@powerbats said:
**There's always trolling on this forum, but the flame war insults go over the top, scrubvivor really? I'm also not talking about just hat post but others as well. The art of trolling is actually quite fun when done right and no one gets offended because there's always certain lines you don't cross.
Some good biting sarcasm within a well reasoned post is a great way to zing one or more while keeping it still this side of civil. I don't see killers feedback as whining anymore than survivors. But what I do consider whining is when the killer isn't even out a full day and the rant threads popup.
What makes it so extremely hilarious is these come from sometimes along with the usual posters who when something negative will affect survivors. They say the exact same thing to them we're saying, it's only been less than a day. We tell them the same thing they said to survivors complaining, wait and see how it works out.**
I know this game and his community at least as much as you do (i assume too), don't tell me how to react to it.
I'm not telling you how to react to it, just warning you of the consequences of one of your choices you've chosen to follow. Since given the direction this thread has gone I'd give it less than a day may'be two before the mods become involved.
Also i still haven't figured out where are the insults in my posts.
I mean legit one.
They're there, you just can't see them since you're so used to using them.
Scrubvivor maybe, but isn' it considered like a "lighthearted joke" like the numerous "Killers just want EZ 4K" and other happy things i see regulary down here ?
Saying killers want EZ 4k isn't on the same level as calling everyone who plays a survivor scrubvivor then repeating it.
I saw that some peoples like to be quite sensitive over this aspect on this forum.
**This is funny since the moment someone calls out some of the killer mains on here they go ballistic. It's not that people are sensitive on here, it's that they're tired of seeing the same mindless mudslinging from the same few on both sides.
If you and the rest really want to have a flame and insult war go get your own private forum and have at it.**
Some weren't on the Steam forum back then, and still aren't on Reddit, quite weird ?
Some don't bother with the cesspool that is Reddit and Steams just as bad now. I've got one of the original accounts from back when Condition Zero was the 1st release from Valve long before Steam was even out. I've had a Reddit account since they were out as well
But Reddit has become the new 4Chan and Steam forums aren't far behind with the COD crowd infesting it. So the fact some refuse to deal with that type of 6 year old behavior means nothing in the context of where they post.
What i get from this is this is simply a matter of principles.
You can describe the "art of trolling" (lul) as much as you want, it doesn't make it a good thing for me, and still hate it.
What is particular to this game is the fact that the devs have cattered to this troll majority, for the majority of the game lifespan, and only STARTED to fight it recently.
In an healthy game and community , disgusting peoples like OchiPedo would have NEVER been so popular.
And his hardcore fanbase is not better than him, i affirm this without shame.
Hate me all you want for this, but of course never question yourself for defending these kind of peoples.
So when you see numerous serious feedback thread being plagued by those kind of "lighthearted joke xP ", knowing that the devs will certainly LISTEN to this kind of trollish answer, it's just a normal thing to do to not let them destroy the game even more.
Devs have made a lot of money on this toxicity.
Principles again, but for me, hunger should not justify the means.
They solded their souls to the toxic survivors mass, and are trying to get it back lately.
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@ArthurFiNCHr said:
We got already response from devs which is saying that pallet looping isn't exploit. The End, no more discussion, that's end of that topic. All we can do now is speculate, they even add bloodlust to help counter pallet looping. (here we also can say that using this is sometimes exploit if killers use that when survivor isn't really looping xD jk)
The reasons why i can only play this game for short period of time and stop playing for months.
Because that's what we killer are told since 2 years, and running in circle 80% of the time is not fun.
It's only fun for the one who like bullying the killer and make him feel hopeless.
Will not name it, as it will offend some peoples...
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@SovererignKing said:
Patch 1.4.0 GicheThank you, as we can see, it's been a while.
@pauloandrade22 said:
@SovererignKing said:
PTSD of the Magic School Bus
PTSD of the "magic house in badham as leatherface" i only did not DC due to the 26 k bp but i might as well have.
Isn't it beautiful ?
They add Bamboozle to fight some bullshits windows rather than fixing them (as usual).
And i'im pretty sure that they willingly re-added those infinites/semi-infinite .
Wouldn't surprise me that they thought : "That will balance the perk and make people use it".
At least you can get the Clown for free... for the moment.
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@Orion said:
You're all being trolled by those people, just FYI - assuming it's even more than one person. And I, like them, will sit back and laugh.Remind me of a "no tobacco mod" on Steam, where the OP was being cringy as ######### for hours, repeatting it again and again.
Just to, when there was enought triggered peoples in the thread because he was playing dumb, just to drop a :"No tobacco tobacco, burrito burrito :'D "
Good ol' internet for y'a ahah.
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Agree, and get back his old trapping animation.
This one is ugly, and faster trap placement wasn't necessary.
Only carrying 2 traps in his basekit would have been enought.
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@ArthurFiNCHr said:
Oh sorry and thanks in the same time then. English isn't my main language that's why, but still that's not changing a fact that theory about pallet looping being exploit is a lie.No problem, it isn't mine either and i know sometime it can be difficult.
Back on the topic, pallet looping actually is an exploit.
You couldn't loop objects that efficiently back then in the firsts months of the game.
A patch (can't remember wich one) changed the survivor's hitboxe to make them harder to hit as a killer.
Those reduced hitboxes coupled with the 3rd person view and the pallet vaccum made survivors looping things efficiently and faster than the killer.
They just have less distance to do.Devs just chosed to build the game around it rather than fixing it, doesn't make it less cheesy.
Glad they haven't re-added the vaccum tho (aka instant stun on killer).
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@ArthurFiNCHr said:
@Orion said:
Fairly certain the devs have said it was "an unintended mechanic/strategy", which is usually how they refer to exploits.
Not sure who was those " certain devs " but after quick research i found only that. Take a look on it. https://mmoexaminer.com/dead-daylight-pallet-looping-really-exploit/
And this show that you aren't really reading him, or lack reading comprehension.
He said "I am certain the devs ..."
And not "Certain devs..."A lot of peoples seems to have this problem on this forum.
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@powerbats said:
I call out people on both sides for going overboard just like I did with you and your next 2 responses just proved my point. The mods don't get involved too often but when they do it's because the threads started devolving into flame wars.
Now which would you prefer, a good discussion with some joking around and light trash talking? The alternative is what you're currently involved in which is a insult laden flame war which the mods will come in and either warn everyone or shut the thread down.
I prefer the former to the latter since it lets everyone have a discussion while blowing off steam. The latter tends to end rather abruptly and not always nicely if mods have to close the thread.
As i agree with you on the principle, the double-standart here made me laught.
For what i saw, if a survivor troll, whatever the thread is about, it's "some lighthearted joking" while a killer reacting to it is starting a flamewar, i also assume that a killer's feedback is whining ?
I know this game and his community at least as much as you do (i assume too), don't tell me how to react to it.
Also i still haven't figured out where are the insults in my posts.
I mean legit one.
Scrubvivor maybe, but isn' it considered like a "lighthearted joke" like the numerous "Killers just want EZ 4K" and other happy things i see regulary down here ?
I saw that some peoples like to be quite sensitive over this aspect on this forum.
Some weren't on the Steam forum back then, and still aren't on Reddit, quite weird ?
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@George_Soros said:
EDIT: But you know what, I try to give you a serious answer instead of trying to piss you off. I'd honestly like to see if you agree or disagree. Let's say devs somehow limit the advantage of SWF, nerf DS and SC and do some other things to make the game easier for killers. Question is, would that be good? I really mean it: if the game were made easier for either role, it would do a disservice for everyone. Cheap victories are not satisfying. That's why I oppose such changes. I'd rather have my 1K or 2K at the end of a difficult game than cut through all four survivors like butter because of their perks or other game mechanics have been weakened.
At least that's how I see it. But please tell me if you think I'm wrong somehow.Just saw this, you've made an effort, so i will do :
I play this game since his release, i've gone throught all the shits it has to give since then.
I'm far from being the best player out there, but i saw the whole evolution of this game.
Squads with 4 times instant DS, good ol' infinites, window vaccum,... the list goes on.
Do you really think that i want to be handled/spoonfed the victory ?
We veteran killers are used to make the better of the few we have, while survivors got second chance after second chance, for the reason that "They're the majority, it has to be way easier".
I just want to start an high rank lobby without playing a boring meta killer and without knowing that if the survivors don't goof around i can't mechanicaly win. A FAIR chance.
I don't want a game that consist at running in circle 80% of the time. It wasn't always the case, i'm still sad of the time where the devs made it possible in October 2016.
I want to work for my kill, but the survivor should also work for his win, that's not the case.
I know that the killer role is harder at his core, but the gap between both role should never have been this huge.
The toxicity in this game come mostly from his imbalance, it shouldn't be forgeted.
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@ArthurFiNCHr said:
- Adding entity on windows
Yeah because of infinites.
I know that fixing gamebreaking bugs, exploits and flaw in map design, is considered has a nerf for some peoples.
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@George_Soros said:
You're probably assuming I play survivor, which I rarely do. It's just silly when people want things too easy. Most of Vietfox's list is actually something crybaby killers have been asking for, which is quite ridiculous. Nothing wrong with DS, hatch, SC. SWF is tough for a killer but one can adjust.
And while insults are stupid and sad, trolling people who deserve it IS a lot of fun. It's also good for their character.Would be amazing and all... if it was remotely true.
It's not.
I always see the same scrubvivors (playing it or not doesn't matter, it became a mindset a long time ago) trolling here on a regular basis.
On EVERY thread.
No matter if it's a crying one or a well writed feedback.
You are all just here to troll, like on every DBD forum.
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@George_Soros said:
Which gives us a great opportunity to troll them, and who would pass up such fun
Here we are.
The reason why this community will always be toxic ,In-game and on all forums.
Thanks to toxic scrubvivors.
Easy to act all smug and saying trollish non-sense ("Everything it's fine, they're just crybaby huur duur")
While playing the EASY side of the game.
Some respectable "people", yeah...
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@DemonDaddy said:
Why all the hatred on the power, its an ambush ability. Just because its not great for chase doesn't make it useless. I have already seen plenty of killers use her effectively. Plan of attack people, great for the survivors that don't respect tr and stay on the gens.She has the speed of the Hag and the Huntress, without a power to close the gap like them.
For the few i saw, i think they should slightly increase her speed while in transition without addons.
Would make her power worth it, because it's not even that good for ambushing in most map, and doesn't worth a 20 secs cooldown.Would make it better in chase and ambush.
I also think that peoples can get used to track survivors only by seeing scratchmark without the help of Predator (with practice of course). That could potentialy free a perkslot for her.
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@Vietfox said:
You sure you both read the forums? Salt comes way more often from killers, you just need to check every subforum, but whatever makes you feel better mate xD.Yeah i'm sure, and i read both forums and Reddit.
Any proof of your assertion ?
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@AnIntellectualClone said:
I would like to see him try being toxic with a controller.It seem that playing survivor is easier with a controller.
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@Sleepy said:
This forum is laughable by the amount of salt coming from survivors.Are you really surprised ?
It's like the Steam forum, with better troll who know how to write.
The content remain the same tho.
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@Utna said:
Lol. Please keep in mind french is not like latin or ancient greek. Meaning it is evolving and defenitely alive ! Whatever the french (and belgium and Quebec fellow, and many west africans) are saying IS correct french speaking, because as they speak, they make their langage evolve in history. Maybe it doesn't seems to be the same langage as some books you read, but it doesn't make it incorrect ; it just make your vision of our langage out of date.
You're right on the principle, it the case for every language.
What i see in France, especially with young adults and teenager, isn't what i could call a good evolution.
Just have to look on the web (facebook, forums, etc...) to be reminded of the movie "Idiocracy".
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@RSB said:
I know, my grandmother is french, and I've been learning it for 3 years in high school, but to be hones, there are more difficult languages than french.
Never said it was, but one of the hardest for sure.
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@RSB said:
I mean, they often do not write, nor speak english, or other languages than their own. They just do not will to learn other languages.
I'm gonna be honnest, the majority of French already struggle to speak their native language correctly.
Keep in mind that french is a very difficult language to write and speak without flaws, tho.
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@Tsulan said:
PTSD from the Howling Grounds and the Flashlight "fix"
I'm still trying to understand how you all could still play and put up with the cancerous atmopshere in game back then.
The cosmetics wasn't worth my mental health, personally.
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Agree, and the killer should be obligated to escort you to the exit gate, then a pat on the head.
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@Vietfox said:
Yes, that's why i said it's hard to believe
So you never reached high rank as killer, or are simply lying.
Wouldn't surprise me either.
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@Usui said:
All you need to know is his portrait. Nurse main in here asking for nerfs lol.. oh the irony
Fun, coming from someone with a Feng avatar.
Most troll and toxic survivor main take this one on this Forum (even over Claudette, go figure).
I'm jumping on conclusions, your post doesn't help too.
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@brokedownpalace said:
Well that is a bit of a troll move by them then.
Yeah, we all know that scrubvivors main are childish, your point ?
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@Touken said:
Who else dosent mind Ochido in PS4? Like ik he is toxic and all but admit it the community itself is toxic, Ochido is just part of it, he was good in pc and everyone hated it just because he was toxic but if he wasnt people would be like oh he is very good,ps. some killers are saying he is trash is PS4 its not like you can get used to playing something new in a day
The guy spread toxicity for years in the community, showed multiple exploits and is now a knowed sexual harasser/pedophile.
How can you don't mind it ?
By "ignoring" it (wouldn't surprise me that you are a fan in disguise) you are not better than his faggy minions, and are supporting this kind of behavior.
If more peoples would had reacted sooner, this mofo would NEVER got that much popularity and plagued this game as much as he had.
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@Vietfox said:
Every swf u face is a deathsquad 4fl, 4ds and stuff? Hard to believe
Yes it is, do you even bother to rank up as a killer ? Hard to believe, you would perfectly know what we're all talking about.
And knowing that there's now SWF in all game started.
I can't remember the last time i got a legit full solo survivors lobby, laughable when you know that this game is balanced around it.
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No, it's not.
Any proof to back up your assertion ?
It seem like some peoples down here don't want to take personnal experiences as a valid argument.
And also do not bring the laughable stats the Devs gave us for years.
I will wait
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@Tsulan said:
@Master said:
Did you notice that survivors are awfully brave already in the beginning of the game, runing up to you and clicking with their flashlight in your direction?Yes it has something to do with balancing
The weird part is, once you give them your full attention like they demanded, they suddenly dc because you "tunneled" them. But wasn´t that the whole point of their behavior?
You perfectly know the reasons, don't be afraid to say it :
They want to bully and troll the killer, not play the legit game.
They want the killer to still give them multiple chances to boost their ego, while being trolled.
They want the killer to say "GG thank you
" after all this shits in the after-game chat, while they insult him.BUT the majority of them don't want AI killers who will follow every one of their faggy rules who only benefits survivors.
No, they want another human being to ######### on, no pleasure to troll a robot, it HAS to be another person, the AI will not react to cancerous behavior nor respond in the after-game chat.
The Devs cater to this kind of "people" for years now, just sayin'
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@Vietfox said:
Thats why i said less like but more deadly. It's not like every swf is a death squad...
Are you really gonna say every Survivor main's meme in this thread ?