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@WishIcouldmain said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2424193#Comment_2424193
No, I’m still gonna hate it nothing enjoyable like not being able to get a gen right next to you
same happens on just about any other map, what do you do? you walk around the wall that is separating you, which way do you go? well learn the map.....2 more months people, then those dedicated can say exactly which areas on the map might need some change, an extra door, or a door less, etc etc.
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and I can safetly say you have not been patient enough with it, at all.
come back in 2 more months of playing, then you will have been patient enough.
(thought I will say that I have found as blight that you dont hit a lot of objects which gets quite annoying).
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the should add being able to see eachothers perks at the start like we can on the mobile version for sure.
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where did you get the information that nobody wants it?
I am looking forward to fully stepping over to the MMR system.
The only problem is the claimed rewards for ranks, because I think they showed earlier that rewards would be based literally per rank.
so rank 2 would give you significantly less then rank 1, and that would just be very frustrating to the point where I think some will just stop playing once they reached rank 1 for fear of losing it (it now having actually consequences).
So I think they should do it per rank colour category, x points for brown, x points for green, purple and red.
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To me wanting or not wanting an original or licensed chapter is just weird (other then not wanting to pay auric cells only for future skins) because its all so undefined, they have so much freedom to do with the content so often it might as well be original, its just all so open so it makes little sense to me to pre-emptively want one over the other.
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I would not say im an actual fan but the movies were not bad and it has enough interesting visions by the writer.
I do really hope we will get multiple cenobites as skins.
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@Purgatorian said:
Only the first one, I consider that the only good one. Mind you I stopped following the movies after the third as they were getting worse.
I think the second is a decent continuation with some important added facts about the lore "IT IS NOT THE HAND THAT SUMMONS US, IT IS DESIRE" and the special effects are pretty good with the guy on the matress
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Same, that movie is actually really good, halloween has my respect as being one of the first of the genre, but I would take Candyman over Jason (rather bland movies if you ask me) or Freddy (never been a fan of humor horror) any day.
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@NoOneKnowsNova said:
Going to budge in here, @BioX I'd consider these would fall under bannable for harassment, based on things relating to illegal reasons to be fired from a workplace in the country where I live. Might not be the best comparison but it gives you a general idea.
- Gender
- Age
- Physicial and/or Mental Disability
- Religious belief
- Race
- Sexual orientation
If it ain't any of them, then more likely than not it's not harassment, but there most likely are some outliers (like tunneling the same player multiple times in a row would he problematic).
See, there we go, thanks, but now I just need a dev to confirm this as being their ruling as well.
Physical disability would mean you are not allowed to target someone over their character wearing glasses.
However you could still target someone over wearing a set outfit just because you dont think those should exist and want to punish those that support this system by buying set outfits, just an example.
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@TerrorUnleashed said:
Off-topic, please.
pretty sure backseat moderating is also not allowed sooooo yeah.
I mean yeah you should, they are dated movies (imo) but not bad, the sequel is also a decent watch.
The lore behind it is pretty interesting and fits in with stuff like Event Horizon or so.
And also watch the original Candyman if you havent yet should we ever get that chapter, that movie is pretty awesome imo.
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@Orion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2424043#Comment_2424043
Wittingly or not, your behavior is remarkably similar (read: identical) to "sealioning".
Great, another term I need to look up....man-splaining, gas-lighting and now this...... alright here goes:
Sealioning (also spelled sea-lioning and sea lioning) is a type of trolling or harassment that consists of pursuing people with persistent requests for evidence or repeated questions, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity.
Ok gotta admit you are losing me with that one, I can tell you Im not trolling and harassment? I mean you are willingly part of this debate, you can dip out anytime you want..... persistent requests for evidence...ermmm not really, I may have asked for the devs definition of harassment in this game but thats just asking for a little back up for claims made so that should not be a problem.
Repeated questions....well yeah, heck i even mention that im repeating myself over and over again because I want to get to the bottom of this but also im trying to make clear its not all that easy (again I would love to continue this with a dev who is actually responsible for taking action on these sorta things, right now we are all basically armchair lawyers).
A pretense of civility and sincerity, heck with an assumption like that I might as well claim that you are the one sealioning.
Honestly so far this discussion has been civil all around right? well until mike started being rather condescending for no reason I can tell but their inability to make themselves more clear so they resort to stuff like "its obvious" and "if you dont see that then you need help" etc.
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@TwitchyMike said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2424027#Comment_2424027
It is 100% harassment for his gay comment... Wearing glasses is not a protected group so no... Someone who is a woman would be harassment, someone who brought a flashlight... the fact you are comparing protected groups to clothing and objects is just insulting now. If you honestly can't answer these for yourself you should go talk to someone.
I am talking to someone, I am talking to you.
The discussion is about a player admitting to certain actions based on certain traits of the other players.
The question is when you can report someone for harassment to a point that it has merit.
You have now added some of your own personal boundaries to this rule.
You say that I can freely go ahead and tunnel and camp everyone who is playing a character who is wearing glasses (because I hate people who dont have perfect eyesight and see them as inferior beings or something) and can admit to that fact in the post game chat every time and the devs would not ban me for it because as per your rules that is not harassment.
Again I would like to point out im not trying to drive you into a corner here, im merely trying to make a point about this not being as straight forward as you seemingly like to believe it is.
"doing something because someone is gay? clearly that is a problem, doing something because someone wears glasses? well thats just silly....in my point of view"
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@TwitchyMike said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2424007#Comment_2424007
I will assume you're mature enough and knowledgeable enough to know the difference here. You're either trolling or just naïve and should think before you speak. Beyond that I have nothing else more to say to you.
Again with the condescending tone....come on man.
I have thought about this and the fact that you now refuse to answer says to me that you yourself are now in a bit of a bind as to how to proceed.
No this is not baiting you, its just more of an affirmation that you cant just make these blank statements and we do need some defined rules about what is and isnt harassment, which has been my request from the start.
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@crystalkitti said:
I'm just another voice in the mob, but yes.
Tunneling/camping/slugging/etc. are all considered 'ok' (in a sense that you can't get banned for it; the debate over 'toxic or not' is something else entirely), but targeting somebody for their character (or their own) skin color/ethnicity or gender/sexual orientation (among several other things) is not ok, and is worth a report and/or ban.
I'm just surprised they were stupid enough to flat-out admit it. :/
Well thats another debate, just because they said that....do you have to take that seriously?
Like who says they are not just trying to get a rise out of the other person? could have just said "cuz your mom hates you" for example and then it suddenly would not be a problem.
I mean I get it and all, but still, I think you would have to set a lot more very defined rules as BHVR if you want people to adhere to them...if that makes any sense, that or just do away with the entire chat.
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@TwitchyMike said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2423993#Comment_2423993
Yes you're finally catching on. That's literally the argument point I was trying to explain to you.
You are right when you say,
"Right so anything I mentioned, no matter what action is, if anyone asks a killer in the endgame chat: "why did you do X" and the killer answers "because they are gay (or black or so) then thats just a ban."But if you think a yellow sweater and being gay are comparable you're unbearably naïve.
Im not, im making silly examples as reasons, as I just mentioned I need a definition, I want a dev to tell me what counts as harassment and what doesnt, this is good though, we are making progress, we have already established that the killer can do whatever they want, including tunneling certain players because "they are gay", they just cant admit to it, that would be bannable, now moving on:
saying you did what you did because someone is gay is not allowed and is harassment.
saying you did what you did because someone is wearing glasses is? not allowed? harassment?
saying you did what you did because someone is a woman? harassment?
saying you did what you did because someone brought a flashlight? harassment?
(oh and dont be so condescending, I was trying to get through to (all of) you what the problem is and have been going over the same material time and time again responding to (all of) you so you would get it, so dont start with that "finally your catching on" I had the parameters of my question set from the first post I made)
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@Orion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2423972#Comment_2423972
If you don't know the difference between harassing someone because they're gay, black, whatever, and normal gameplay, I can't help you there. I'm not sure if you're asking these things in bad faith, but your questions and attitude are remarkably similar to people who do act in bad faith when any sort of minority protection is mentioned, so I'll leave it at that.
Im not sure what you mean exactly by "acting in bad faith".
Let me be clear her and say that im not a factor in this discussion, I think everyone is equal and am in full support of LGBT etc.
Im merely questioning where the line lies and how those rules are formulated.
I really cannot think of how to condense it down any further then I already have, tunneling and camping is something players like myself see as unfun and unfair but its the devs that said its fine, its also the devs that ban for harassment.
But what was the harassment? well ultimately its only the claim in the endgame chat, thats the only harassment here, were the claim not made then it would have been just like any other match, just the knowledge that maybe you were treated exactly the same way you were always treated but this time not because the killer simply wanted you dead but because "you were gay" suddenly makes it all very different.
Again even though its the exact same perfectly fine and allowed gameplay AND is the killer even allowed to admit to any form of reasoning why they wanted a specific player dead? flashlight, yellow sweater, playing dwight, playing Ash, just anything at all or is that all seen has harassment? and if not then what exactly is, what is the definition? only minorities? what if you kill claudettes because they have glasses? can you be banned for harassment for that?
But yeah its a rather pointless discussion, I would really need a person who is actually responsible for maintaining the rules to give a defined reasoning.
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Right so anything I mentioned, no matter what action is, if anyone asks a killer in the endgame chat: "why did you do X" and the killer answers "because they are gay (or black or so) then thats just a ban.
its not about what the killer actually does, its about the claimed reasoning behind it, and that can lead to a ban.
and it would also still be a problem if they said "because they were wearing a yellow sweater" as that would also constitute some sort of pre-determined targeting.
@VioletCrimes said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2423942#Comment_2423942
I think you're missing the part where the killer admitted that Dwight DESERVED to be hard tunneled because he's gay. Doing a little spin doesn't hurt the game. Only letting Dwight go because they think he's gay is favoritism, which killers do all the time (many killers admit to often letting certain characters go). Only focusing on one character because you're a bigot and have a trait you don't like (in this case, being gay) is where the harassment part comes in.
But then we come back to where its established that according to the devs (and those are the ones that ban people), tunneling and camping is perfectly fine and part of the game.
So just like doing a little spin, it does not hurt the game, again im talking from the devs perspective, ours does not matter, to the devs hard tunneling is just as allowed and fine as doing a little spin.
thats been my problem from the start, yeah they admit to have done so based on certain reasons, but the gameplay is not different from any other game where the killer has other motivations for doing the exact same thing.
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@Orion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2423942#Comment_2423942
The devs already said this is bannable, so I'm not sure what you hope to accomplish by claiming otherwise.
Well did you read what I typed? is everything I said as examples bannable then? doing anything at all, walking, m1ing, looking around, literally anything at all and then, when asked, claiming it was because someone was homosexual or black or what have you would lead to a ban?
Completely regardless of whatever that action might have been?
What have the devs exactly said, I mean I said in my initial post that I would love for a dev to jump in on this because them saying "Targetting is bannable" is laughably incomplete.
(EDIT, oh I actually did not say that in my initial post but it still stands, I would love for a dev to come in here and set some parameters for this rule)
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@TwitchyMike said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2423942#Comment_2423942
If he said because he was homosexual that's just as bad... I think you're missing the point of this discussion BioX
Well considering im the one who started this specific part of the discussion (actually the entire discussion because there seemed to be a consensus so far), I highly doubt that.
But pls read the rest of what I wrote and not just that first part and then add to your reaction
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@TwitchyMike said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2423910#Comment_2423910
I mean... There's nothing wrong with tunneling. And it seem like there's some missing parts of the conversation but that is besides the point. The point is the killer admitted he tunneled the Dwight because he is gay is down right offensive. This is not a conversation about tunneling its a conversation about offensive word usage to justify their tunneling.
what if they said it was because Dwight is homosexual? or because he was wearing a yellow sweater? or because he was running a certain perk? its all the same action and its all fine and allowed.....except when you say its for a certain reason....
@VioletCrimes said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2423910#Comment_2423910
The difference would be if the killer said "I tunneled Claudette because she's black". Deliberately being a dick and a bigot is what gets you the ban.
Well listen, I agree with you but im looking at this from the devs perspective, they claim tunneling and camping is fine and allowed and part of the game, their words so you cannot say that a killer is "being a dick" for doing that as its just part of the gameplay.
And yeah they are atleast acting like they are a bigot but again, my point is that it just led to normal gameplay.
What if the killer let the dwight go as the only one "because he was gay"?
What if the killer specifically did not use their powers and only used m1 on the dwight "because he was gay"
What if the killer specifically ONLY used their power on the dwight "because he was gay"
What if the killer always did a little spin before hitting the dwight "because he was gay"
Do you see the problem here? non of these things would be even worth mentioning, its because WE see tunneling and camping as unfun or unfair but its the DEVS that said its perfectly fine and allowed and part of the gameplay.......so I ask again, what can you really report that player for? mentioning that they think dwight is homosexual?
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@Orion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2423910#Comment_2423910
Motive matters. Always has. It's the difference between a so-called "crime of passion" and premeditated murder, for instance. It's the difference between a hate crime and a crime whose victim happened to be a minority.
This isn't weird, it's the way it works in the vast majority of countries on Earth (including yours, I'd bet).
ermm not really, murder is murder because it is premeditated, a crime of passion is something that happens in the heat of the moment and emotions run to high, those are just different things.
I get that motives matter but the outcome of games is not something you can really show, the only proof is just (like I said) them claiming it is for a reason, even though without that reason the game could/would have ended just the same way.
Tunneling and camping is completely fine....unless you say its for a certain reason, that is just a tad weird to me, its all the same thing, the outcome would have been totally fine were it not for that bit of extra information.
I can tunnel whoever I want and let everyone else live who dont meet my criteria and it would be totally fine unless I happen to disclose my motives....
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@Orion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2423896#Comment_2423896
The devs also said that targeting someone (for being LGBT, playing a black character, whatever) is bannable, and this killer literally admitted to targeting someone for being gay.
yeah but "targeting" just meant tunneling which is allowed and seen as normal gameplay
Imagine playing against 2 Claudettes and Tapp and Adam and then saying in the end chat you say you....played the game and fullfilled your role because...they were black...
And then getting banned for just playing the game.
its just such a weird thing when you do the exact same thing you otherwise would do except you admit/claim its for a reason, then suddenly you get banned.
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I dont really understand why so many here seem to think that this is harrasment and something you can report them for.....
I mean sure saying in the chat that you dislike someone because they are "gay" making it seem like being gay is a bad thing, that is not allowed, but tunneling is perfectly allowed, the devs have said so many times.
How can you claim harassments or targeting when they do something that is just gameplay in the dev's eyes.
I mean at this point you are basically saying that playing the game any way you want is fine unless you have a reason for it that you admit to.....which is just weird.
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I think at this point its just timing, they probably still want to release ot alongside the remake / new movie.
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those are the ones I fear the most, we all know the flying ghostface machinegunning hatchets, but what if there are some players that just make their character 10% faster, or just 5%, small things that are hard to really pinpoint but that will give you wins.
What if they hack an always on Fire Up? small help, hard to detect, but any benefit is a benefit.
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because they seem to ignore the devs position and values which make a FNAF chapter impossible
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Oh FFS HOW IS THIS SBMM SYSTEM BEYOND YOUR UNDERSTANDING, HOW??!!!
you DONT have to run ANYTHING.
You get matched up with players of equal skill, take away your crutch perks and you apperently do poorly? WELL GUESS WHAT?
That means you will be matched up in the future with survivors who also do poorly aka you get your balanced (fun) matches without having to force yourself to run anything you dont want to.
honestly people, this forum sometimes is just embarrassing.
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@Rizzo said:
Ok, enough.
For the last time let's keep this thread on topic and politics out of this platform.
Ok I think im just going nuts here now.
IT IS PART OF THE TOPIC, the topic is if potentially they are hints of FNAF, this is about FNAF and what it would mean.
Honestly if you dont want this then you should just say that FNAF is not an option so the can just speculate about someone/something else that does not have this extra information surrounding it that the mods here dont want to see discussed.
(I also keep saying how there is nothing political about it but that seems to fall on deaf ears).
but fine fine FINE, if I cant bring up the biggest reason why FNAF cannot be a future chapter and they are wasting their time, then idk what to add, Im never one for speculation anyway, its a pointless exercise
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@Rizzo said:
Please keep the political discussion out of the forums, thank you.
But its directly related as to why something cannot be added..... I mean its not even a political discussion, Im not saying Trump is bad or the right is bad or anything, heck Im from Europe so it affects me...not at all.
Its just about what image BHVR wants to send out and how that does not jive with adding FNAF to the game, thats all.
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@Pulsar said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2416099#Comment_2416099
Alienating people is a great way to convince them!
Also, you have no idea how it works either.
It could literally be the same system, just hidden for all we know.
it really could not unless they lied to us about it....
apart from that, that is not the point, the point is hte fundamental concept of an MMR system is lost on so many, so many extremely unintelligent remarks about it that just shows people have no clue at all
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ermmm im guessing for fans of FNAF it means.....something...what you typed?
because i have no clue what yo uare talking about, a full purple outfit....so what? he is not wearing it in the cage and well.....again idk how that related to anything.
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obviously yes and everyone who doesnt either has no clue of how it actually works OR wants to stomp noobs which arnt people who's opinion we should respect.
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Honestly how is it possible that so few people seem capable of understanding how the SBMM / MMR system works, its truly insane.
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Candyman, but I would love to see what they would do with Robocop (maybe the villian from Robocop 2 even though thats a bad movie)
Also Penumbra/Amnesia/Soma could be very interesting if they would do something with the concept of fear and not being allowed to look at the killer.
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bit of a silly thread this is.
its like you are pretending to predict the future (inb4) yet threads about nerfing the trickster are in full swing in the ptb feedback section so obviously those will just continue except now in a different location.
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@Orion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2385391#Comment_2385391
Spacebar for vaulting, dropping pallets, jumping in lockers, and skill checks, M1 for everything else.
I changed that around, I think a mouseclick is much faster and more accurate for skillchecks.
I hit skillchecks with m1, vault with m1, heal with spacebar and work on a gen with spacebar, iirc
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Rank does not matter, pips do not matter, you should not care about either.
Using meta perks makes you weak
Perks should be nerfed, some more then others, let skill and experience decide the outcome of matches, not perks.
Add Ons, the way most are implemented, are fundamentally flawed for either balance or needless busywork.
Camping is not a strat, its a non-match, its no better then just being afk (which weirdly enough is bannable) and it should be dealt with and the only reason its called a start is because the devs are not competent enough to fix it.
There should be more gorey fanart instead of all the cutesy crap
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pretty sure that for me the mouseclick is dropping the pallet and spacebar is healing, but I changed it a bit
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He is the twins power and we cannot customise powers.
Though I said a long time ago that we should be able to, Huntress's hatchet, Oni's kanabo, Billy's.chainsaw and indeed Victor, we should have skins for those
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Weird how many want to change fundamental factors of balance as a qol fix....
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@BuddhaBing said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2373888#Comment_2373888
This is more like there being a soccer player who thinks having a goalie is bullshit and will quit the match whenever the other team's goalie makes a save. Then rather than finding a game with rules they're willing to play by, they keep showing up and quitting match after match.
hmm that analogy also does not really work, maybe its more like a soccer match where a player on the opposing team constantly falls to the floor and claims to the hurt and whines to the referee which grinds the match to a halt, it is within the rules sure but not fun for anyone involved os they would rather not play at all, not that match anyway.
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Ermm well that your opinion I guess
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Nothin, got the crowns for survivors, afk'ed the crowns for killer, finished the rift and stopped playing
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@scp_plsthx said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2373575#Comment_2373575
Maybe don't play the game if you can only enjoy it by winning?
That is not what you should take away from it, it's about a match being screwed out of what little balance there already is making it of.little.value.
Imagine a soccer match where one team has 11 players and the other only 8, it would not even take place
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Of course it's toxic, you are denying everyone a proper match.
Might as well go afk as either side, th game would die if players would do that a lot because there would be no match, nothing more interesting then watching grass grow.
At op, if it's really.that much of a problem, just stop playing, only way to potentially get a message across
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this is such an insane request, how does your mind work man.....
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@Orion said:
On the one hand, I agree. Too many people just blame "the other side" for everything that's wrong with the game.
Here's the thing, though: some negative aspects of the game are the fault of people on one side or the other. Here are a couple examples:
- Why don't we have anti-camping mechanics like slowing down sacrifice speed? Because survivors abused it.
- Why can't killers see survivors' ranks? Because killers abused it.
If I were to mention either one on its own, I'd be accused of anti-[side] or pro-[other side] bias, because people think being "unbiased" means you have to either criticize everything or praise everything, no matter if you're criticizing/praising one side for something mild and another for something serious; gotta engage in false equivalences or you're not "unbiased".
Furthermore, some things are connected. Gen speed and sacrifice speed, for instance. Can't change one without at least thinking about how it affects the other. It's not "us vs. them" or "whataboutism" to consider the game as a whole.
Well not being able to see Survivor rank is also just smart because people still hold on to that like it means something when it doesnt.
If Otz does not play for the next 3 months and comes back, he will be rank 18 or so and demolish the team, rank =/= skill but many still hold on to that, so yeah not seeing rank is better if only to take away confirmation bias and generlization
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Not trying to be an unpleasant person but honestly, just try stuff yourself, that is where the fun comes in, losing some matches because your builds turn out to not work (after giving it a good long shot, several days of it preferably) is fine, it does not matter one bit.
You only GAIN bp, you dont lose any.
Just try some stuff yourself and dont just copy what others do, tips etc are fine but pls try things yourself first, be you, dont be "insert other user here" nr 2.
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@Ryuzaki said:
It's sad that posts like this are a thing, BHVR are just embarrassing.
This, but man, recently R* released the "summer update" for Red Dead Online and what a spectacular mess that was, never crashed so much in my life, its KINDA fixed now but boy howdy they messed it up so badly....an that is freaking Rockstar, makers of the biggest thing in the entire entertainment industry....
Im starting to believe a level of quality is just gone with devs and everyone bites off more then that can chew, we need Valve back to make a game and show them all how its done (assuming they did not also turn to crap).
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If there were more toxic then fun people this game would die, so its not all bad.