Beardedragon
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@dannyfrog87 said:
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@KingArthanal said:
Beardedragon said:@KingArthanal said:
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@KingArthanal said: Really, is it this worth just to wait longer than 5 min. The survivor had to be a very big ######### to be it worth. I don’t care when I miss last kill every 30.-40. match you can turn it around as a killer and say the same about the survivor. is it really worth their time standing in front of the hatch rather than go do generators which would most likely let the killer come after him? this goes both ways.
My answer to you as survivor. I wait fake afk 3-4 min and If i get into hatch it’s fine, otherwise i just die. I don’t care about a skill and it doesn’t make me salty because I know it’s not about skill to wait longer than the other guy. In most cases i wait until the killer is at hatch, than I gonna do gens, he come to gen and I go hatch. Ez win
if you can bait the killer thats fine.
not everyone tries to do that though. some just teabags at the hatch.
Hit him, instant leave game chat and don’t feed the troll. Trolls are always sad when you ignore them. This way i usually get nice salty comments into my profile.
i know. ive been in maybe.. 4 or 5 hatch stand offs. some i win, others i lose when i try to run after survivors.
but even if i win or he wins, i wont just allow him to get out. although i admit on one of those occations i just hit him once and he did get out because i didnt bother.
but otherwise id say normally, i wont let him out if i can avoid it. i could give up the match as much as he could. it goes both ways.
but i feel like the survivor has the cards you know. if he tries to bait the killer has reason to leave the hatch. or do generators. most tries to bait though. ive lost some times on those baits.
thats fair. makes sense.
well i had one game i was chasing a guy as myers all 3 dead one left i was running and i knew where the hatch was and we got to it at the same time i was in ew3 and all we could do was look at each other he just stood on the hatch. i should of damn well been able to close it in this situation like it was in the ptb. lol. this is what breaks the "balance" staring at each other waiting for the other to make the move is moronic. did i want to give the guy the hatch as we got their at the same time. no but what else could i do? stand their for hours or whatever sigh .... the survivor sure does have the cards you are right and it should not be that way!
im not sure i understand what you mean. if he stands on the hatch but dont jump in, and you have evil within 3, cant you just insta slug him and hes in dying state?
or can one still jump in to the hatch from dying state? ive never seen that but i have to say i dunno if its possible.
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@brokedownpalace said:
@Beardedragon either way.hmm. well borrowed time, maybe dead hard? not sure. it depends on the bracket i suppose, good players probably wont fall for dead hard. either dead hard or sprint, im not sure really.
you could also go for adrenaline for that end game help maybe.
oh and kindred.
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@ChesterTheMolester said:
Get multiple hooks during the first 30 seconds including finding survivors? I smell bullshitsame. chasing someone alone can often take 30 seconds.
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out of curiocity, do you mean anti camp as in helping someone else down from the hook, or as in you are getting down from a hook and now has to escape?
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@KingArthanal said:
Beardedragon said:@KingArthanal said:
Beardedragon said:
@KingArthanal said: Really, is it this worth just to wait longer than 5 min. The survivor had to be a very big ######### to be it worth. I don’t care when I miss last kill every 30.-40. match you can turn it around as a killer and say the same about the survivor. is it really worth their time standing in front of the hatch rather than go do generators which would most likely let the killer come after him? this goes both ways.
My answer to you as survivor. I wait fake afk 3-4 min and If i get into hatch it’s fine, otherwise i just die. I don’t care about a skill and it doesn’t make me salty because I know it’s not about skill to wait longer than the other guy. In most cases i wait until the killer is at hatch, than I gonna do gens, he come to gen and I go hatch. Ez win
if you can bait the killer thats fine.
not everyone tries to do that though. some just teabags at the hatch.
Hit him, instant leave game chat and don’t feed the troll. Trolls are always sad when you ignore them. This way i usually get nice salty comments into my profile.
i know. ive been in maybe.. 4 or 5 hatch stand offs. some i win, others i lose when i try to run after survivors.
but even if i win or he wins, i wont just allow him to get out. although i admit on one of those occations i just hit him once and he did get out because i didnt bother.
but otherwise id say normally, i wont let him out if i can avoid it. i could give up the match as much as he could. it goes both ways.
but i feel like the survivor has the cards you know. if he tries to bait the killer has reason to leave the hatch. or do generators. most tries to bait though. ive lost some times on those baits.
thats fair. makes sense.
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@KingArthanal said:
Beardedragon said:@KingArthanal said:
Really, is it this worth just to wait longer than 5 min. The survivor had to be a very big ######### to be it worth. I don’t care when I miss last kill every 30.-40. match
you can turn it around as a killer and say the same about the survivor. is it really worth their time standing in front of the hatch rather than go do generators which would most likely let the killer come after him?
this goes both ways.
My answer to you as survivor. I wait fake afk 3-4 min and If i get into hatch it’s fine, otherwise i just die. I don’t care about a skill and it doesn’t make me salty because I know it’s not about skill to wait longer than the other guy. In most cases i wait until the killer is at hatch, than I gonna do gens, he come to gen and I go hatch. Ez win
if you can bait the killer thats fine.
not everyone tries to do that though. some just teabags at the hatch. but i agree it doesnt happen often, the hatch stand off, but some few rare cases it does.
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@KingArthanal said:
Really, is it this worth just to wait longer than 5 min. The survivor had to be a very big ######### to be it worth. I don’t care when I miss last kill every 30.-40. matchyou can turn it around as a killer and say the same about the survivor. is it really worth their time standing in front of the hatch rather than go do generators which would most likely let the killer come after him?
this goes both ways.
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@xywwak said:
Guys ... you can flame me as much as you want for that ...Wake up finnally .... Let this hatch standoff be ... Just hit that survivor at let him go. it´s totally ridiculous to play 1 hatch standoff for so long boring time.
You don´t need 4K every game. Just go play new match.
As soon as DEV decide to change end-game system we will get something new, and of course many of you will cry and flame it. So wake up and start acting as reasonable human beeing....it´s pointless....and you also dont need to survive every game. being last doesnt mean you "need" to survive. If the killer blocks the hatch, do your generators. thats why there needs to be a fix, because then we can cut the crap and stop talking about entitlement and who needs to be "allowed" to survive or get killed. if the mechanic is fixed, the discussion would be over, no matter who it favors.
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@Mesme said:
Doing a hatch stand off as we speak and it's been 27hrs please HELP!day 7 of the hatch stand off. my legs tire, and my will to keep this going dwindles. when will this be over?
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@Twix said:
Tunneling Hillbilly that abuses Tinkerer 2 bug - I play the game to have fun, and getting tunneled by a Tinkerer 2 abuser is not under what I classify as fun, so is my dc justified, what do you guys think?so are you DCing because he tunnels or because he uses a bug? because if its about the bug, why keep mentioning the tunneling.
if i was the killer abusing the bug i would probably understand why you DC i guess. i dunno.
but it could be he doesnt know about it, so from his point of you you're an ass? i dont know. so many possibilities.
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@Vietfox said:
Beardedragon said:"Pathetic [BAD WORD] camper"
the exit gates had literally just opened when i decided to camp because what else am i gonna do.
I know it's a personal choice, but when i play as a killer i never camp, even when the doors are powered/opened. Standing still is not fun and i rather chase other survivors.
i know. but i hadnt killed anyone, so i was desperate
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@WarthogFury said:
Just have been banned from online and communications. I called someone a silly ass as a joke on Dead by Daylight because they were calling me a [BAD WORD], bad and trash. Later after the ban happened so he reported me and I was the banned one. EXCUSE ME? Am I going crazy? I’ve been trash talked, harassed and called many horrible names for a whole year and Xbox did nothing about but when I talk a bit of smack for the first time, it’s like GOD DAMN HE CALLED HIM A SILLY ASS WHEN THE OTHER SAID STUFF EVEN WORSE.... BUT STILL BAN EM! I guy called me a f**ker and I reported it but nothing happened because he was on the next day. Great job Microsoftwait how do you know if the people you report have been banned or not?
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i think there has been a few decent suggestion.
being able to close the hatch with a new one opening might open up some possibilities.
visionmakers idea also seemed decent to me. given that they cant find the chests before the hatch is actually open if i recall what she wrote properly. meaning we have a longer period of time to find the survivors. we can patrol the two boxes meanwhile.
for the survivors, they cant just bumrush the hatch and whoop dee doo they are out of there.
what ever people come up with i just want the hatch stand off to end. if you put it in favor of the killer or survivor i guess, is the real question.
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@Visionmaker said:
dannyfrog87 said:ok i wake up to about 80 comments. right the main issue is. i found the hatch first. as far as i could tell i walked away 3 times in a row just for the survivor to take the hatch. so you are damn right i should of been entitled to close the hatch to those saying i should of slugged etc. anyway i got the achievement so kudos to those guys for not dcing on me on haddonfield
The killer's objective isn't finding the hatch. It's finding the survivor before they found the hatch. That's the point of the asymmetrical game. You are entitled to closing the hatch as much as you are to closing an exit gate or locking a generator: not at all.
Here's an easy solution:
Increase hatch spawn requirements by 1 generator.
Two chests respawn with a temporary key.
The hatch now spawns closed even with one survivor left, but makes a quiet noise.
Killer can no longer stand on the hatch.
A survivor automatically opens and enters the hatch when near it using the key.
Survivors cannot be grabbed out of the hatch.
Survivors need to work harder to get, find, and use the hatch. Killers have more time to find the survivor. Neither are able to do a standoff.
i... like the proposal.
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@Paddy4583 said:
RemoveSWF said:I never talk in the post-game chat.
You are not entitled to a conversation.
Your standard line;
You are not entitled to a (insert post topic here)
the word "entitled" is probably the one word i associate the most with dead by daylight. never in my life, have i ever heard the word entitled being used so much in single sentences. never in my life have i been on a forum to any given game, and seen the word, entitled so often.
you are not entitled to a free kill, you are not entitled to a free rescue, you are not entitled free escape, you are not entitled hooks, you are not entitled to take a ######### ######### in your toilet.
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@KingArthanal said:
Ok, so let’s ask for a no grab animation and we are all fine. If you just want to get rid off hatch standoffsi would be fine with that.
i would prefer a closed hatch because i feel like generators are fine, but yes, i would be fine with a no grab animation.
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@chemical_reject said:
I really gotta get off here but I want to do this for anyone just now tuning in.TL;DR
@Beardedragon is raging cuz when they play killer they can't figure out a strategy againts survivors getting the hatch (like slugging the second to last one) so they want the devs to change the hatch so they can get their EZ4K.im not going to stoop to your level. but you cant say you are not childish, you have proven that over and over again with remarks like these.
theres also nothing "ez" about getting 4k. the game isnt a walk in the park for killers where we just molest everyone left and right. if it is to you you should play better as survivor.
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@chemical_reject said:
Beardedragon said:@KingArthanal said:
Yes but nobody want a killer sided hatch thing. Even not me as main killer, it’s already to easy 4K if only 2 are left. I mean survivor should be downed in a 15 yards radius not completly killed and than no grab animation. Only way to deal with this. I don’t know him but he’s just right, you’re crying about something and try make this game a killer sided while nobody is interested in such a thing. Deal it same way like hatch standoffs and move on. If you’re too bad and you end it in hatch standoff it’s your fault but then you should may the survivor let escape. Just accept you’re not good enough, I do the same if I lost a game. Who cares.
i will not, and is never going to, let a survivor out when i can prevent it. im holding nothing hostage here he can do the generators if he wants. if he goes for them, i follow to kill. if i fail, he gets out. if i succeed, he doesnt get out.
its that simple. im a casual player, my skills are limited. i have never said anything else.
and how many times must i say i dont give a [BAD WORD] if he gets out or not. im simply interested in this hatch stand off not being a possibility. it needs to be removed because if i CAN prevent him from leaving i will. if the game takes away my ability to let him leave, i will not be angry about it. if i cant grab him in the air im fine.
its the MECHANIC itself that bothers me. that im essentially supposed to LET him get out if i dont want to waste time. thats a bad mechanic. im not supposed to "let" anyone do anything.
if i cant grab him in the air and cant block the hatch, then the ability for me to let him out, gone. thats fine. but im given those options, so i will use those options.
but lets not forget that he also has the options to do generators. and right now, you cant close the hatch. so the killer wont move too far from the hatch either. it gives ample opportunities to do the generators.
U being to stubborn to just let it go and start a new match is NOT a MECHANIC
of course im stubborn.
but the mechanic allows me to be stubborn so i will be stubborn.
telling me to let him go is like telling a survivor to kill himself for the sake of the killer.
if the mechanic doesnt allow it, ill accept it whole heartedly. but it does, and i will kill him.
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@KingArthanal said:
Yes but nobody want a killer sided hatch thing. Even not me as main killer, it’s already to easy 4K if only 2 are left. I mean survivor should be downed in a 15 yards radius not completly killed and than no grab animation. Only way to deal with this. I don’t know him but he’s just right, you’re crying about something and try make this game a killer sided while nobody is interested in such a thing. Deal it same way like hatch standoffs and move on. If you’re too bad and you end it in hatch standoff it’s your fault but then you should may the survivor let escape. Just accept you’re not good enough, I do the same if I lost a game. Who cares.i will not, and is never going to, let a survivor out when i can prevent it. im holding nothing hostage here he can do the generators if he wants. if he goes for them, i follow to kill. if i fail, he gets out. if i succeed, he doesnt get out.
its that simple. im a casual player, my skills are limited. i have never said anything else.
and how many times must i say i dont give a ######### if he gets out or not. im simply interested in this hatch stand off not being a possibility. it needs to be removed because if i CAN prevent him from leaving i will. if the game takes away my ability to let him leave, i will not be angry about it. if i cant grab him in the air im fine.
its the MECHANIC itself that bothers me. that im essentially supposed to LET him get out if i dont want to waste time. thats a bad mechanic. im not supposed to "let" anyone do anything.
if i cant grab him in the air and cant block the hatch, then the ability for me to let him out, gone. thats fine. but im given those options, so i will use those options.
but lets not forget that he also has the options to do generators. and right now, you cant close the hatch. so the killer wont move too far from the hatch either. it gives ample opportunities to do the generators.
asking a killer to let someone go is like asking a survivor to kill himself purposefully. if the game forces me to, (exits, hatch and im far from it) then its acceptable. of course it is. but if i can prevent it? why wouldnt i take it?
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@chemical_reject said:
Beardedragon said:@chemical_reject said:
Beardedragon said:
@chemical_reject said: And for clarification I play killer and survivor probably equally, I just don't rage on the forums about stupid things i dont rage either. i used arguments, but you threw free kill and entitlement in my face. the fact this degenerated in to a mud throwing fest is because of you guys, not me. and its nice you have a butt buddy that can help you, but it doesnt make you more right.
Lol aww ur ego must be really fragile if u have to resort to name calling and finger pointing. Ur arguments don't hold water and it wasn't about being "right" or "wrong" but ur raging and just can't seem to let it go. Just like when a survivor is at the hatch and instead of hitting them and moving on you'll waste ur time standing there.
says the guy that made a "sum up" of me sounding like a baby. look at yourself mate. you have to resort to childish behavior.
theres nothing wrong with not letting them go. im fulfulling my objective which is to kill them. how can you have a problem with me doing what im supposed to? you wanna let them go, go ahead. i wont. i want to fulfill my objectives.
Never said I have a problem with it. By all means fulfill ur objective if u can but I bet 9 times out of 10 u end up standing there wasting ur time that could be spent in another match because ur fragile little ego wants his 4k for free. U don't like the "hatch stand off" but u are just as much the problem as the "survivor who shouldn't get out cuz not all the gens got done"
again with the insults and i dont get why. you constantly, at every turn attempt to take a swing at me. you can keep saying im the guy raging, but you're the guy that constantly mocks me for trying to argue why i think the hatch stand off needs a fix.
you say i want my 4k for free, how is that different from the survivor im looking at, who wants his escape for free? how are we different? you want the survivor to just get out for free, but i cant get a kill for free?
how about no one gets anything for free and work for it. i dont have a fragile ego, i just want to do my objectives which is to kill. why would i let him out? he can still get out. i dont hold the game hostage. and yes most of the time is a waste of time because the survivor teabags and stands in front of me and doesnt do the generators that he could simply go do. if i see him go for it, i will chase him down. if i fail to do so he reaches the hatch and get out. i say GG. its done.
i dont have a problem with the survivor being able to leave the game because generators arent done. he just have to get to the hatch before i do so i cant close it in. that or the killer shouldnt be able to block the hatch, that way there also wouldnt be a problem. i dont care what the "Fix" for the stand off is dude, it just needs to be so that i cant physically stand on the hatch to block it or grab him. because if i can, i will because i dont want to let him out as well as i can.
its like being a survivor and saying: I COULD survive, but im going to let myself die. it makes no sense.
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@chemical_reject said:
Beardedragon said:@chemical_reject said:
And for clarification I play killer and survivor probably equally, I just don't rage on the forums about stupid things
i dont rage either. i used arguments, but you threw free kill and entitlement in my face.
the fact this degenerated in to a mud throwing fest is because of you guys, not me. and its nice you have a butt buddy that can help you, but it doesnt make you more right.
Lol aww ur ego must be really fragile if u have to resort to name calling and finger pointing. Ur arguments don't hold water and it wasn't about being "right" or "wrong" but ur raging and just can't seem to let it go. Just like when a survivor is at the hatch and instead of hitting them and moving on you'll waste ur time standing there.
says the guy that made a "sum up" of me sounding like a baby. look at yourself mate. you have to resort to childish behavior.
theres nothing wrong with not letting them go. im fulfulling my objective which is to kill them. how can you have a problem with me doing what im supposed to? you wanna let them go, go ahead. i wont. i want to fulfill my objectives.
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@chemical_reject said:
I feel bad. U got really worked up over basically nothing so here, let me give u exactly what u want.I'm wrong, ur right. I'm dumb, ur smart. Killers are awesome and survivors suck.
There's ur 4K enjoy it.
survivors dont suck what are you saying.
but sure if you want to prove me right be my guest.i thought u said you had time though.
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@KingArthanal said:
In fact hatch thing is already unbalanced. Otherwise I wouldn’t get so often 4K.how does the hatch have anything to do with 4k? if you kill them be> @KingArthanal said:
Beardedragon said:
@KingArthanal said:
Beardedragon said:
@KingArthanal said: Beardedragon said:
@KingArthanal said: Yes but why you say you can still win the game after killer found hatch? He close it and you can only open with doing a gen. Wasn’t that your words? yes it was. you can still do generators to power the exit to get out even if the hatch is closed.
Yes so we have a free kill after closing hatch and because killer find hatch in 80% of the case, it’s a unfair advantage. That’s it. It’s killed sided. your logic fails here. you dont get a free kill when there is an exit you can power. and its not an unfair advantage. stop thinking this is a 1v1 game. its 4v1 game where your entire TEAM was molested. it will NEVER be fair when you're alone. get over it. the hatch is closed, now do your generators. play better or find pray you get a better team next time. its not a 1v1 game, so yes its unfair. its supposed to be unfair 1v1.
Ignoring what Iam saying doesn’t help to solve any problem. In 99% of the cases you won’t be able to do any single gen with a average killer. And that’s my definition of free kill, yes. You have to stop thinking that asymmetrical games mean you’re entitled to get last kill when you’re killing 3 survivor. Already killing 3 is definition of asymmetrical but that doesn’t mean last one should free kill. What you’re telling us is the definition of an unbalanced game, what is a completely different thing. Maybe you should play more than 200 hours and come back to talk again. Guys like you make this game even worse. You have so many chances to kill last survivor before the hatch even spawn. Whatever you say, devs know why it is, how it is. Gladly nobody listen to your completly insane ideas.
assymetrical gameplay means its unfair in a 1v1 situation versus the killer.
you can do generators even when you are alone. ive done it as survivor, and ive gotten it done to me as killer. some people just play that well.
the idea to close off the hatch was taken off the table again after it was implemented in a patch, because survivors complained. in fact, developers listened to survivors for so long and are now realizing how much they ######### up doing so. thats why many of these perks are now being nerfed. everyone screamed at DS being OP, and several years later, will it finally potentially get the nerf it should have had ages ago.
the idea of closing the hatch isnt bad. its not a balanced game in a 1v1 scenario. you are also responsible for your teammates deaths because you didnt aid them, you didnt block the killer, flashlight him, help them, unhooked them. you are part reason, they are dead.
if you stop thinking 1v 1+1+1+1 and start thinking 1v4, as a team, maybe you would do better.
im not ignoring anything, in 99% cases you CAN do a single generator. its possible. and in many cases where the hatch stand off happens, there are exactly only that left, 1 generator. not always but many times. close off the hatch and its STILL possible to do 1 generator. if you have several generators left? yea maybe you die. it happens. your team was bad, its now 1v1 dont expect to live. but, its not impossible. like the new pickup time and flashlight saves. its not impossible to do either, its just harder.
you completely over exaggerate the numbers when it comes to being alone. its perfectly possible to do one generator when being alone. if the survivor plays his cards right which you seemingly dont.
you have to stop thinking being 1v1 means you are entitled to survive. you see what happens? use of entitlement = all discussion ends up being a mud throwing fest.
As I already said, killer is already in a unfair advantage 1v1. So it doesn’t need a additional nerf. The only thing is too get rid off hatch standoff’s with making it impossible to grab but 1 shot in a 15 yards radius. And this would be more than fair to killer then.
btw you shouldn’t use cases of your rank 20 matches because this end in really silly things. Balance should be between 1-10 and their is no problem with hatch standoff so far. Don’t do gens 1v1 = dead survivor as long he’s not camping hatch but that won’t be case in your example.
i actually once did suggest a few changes to stop the hatch stand off, one of them was that hitting people near the hatch put them in the dying effect.
but yes its unfair, because its supposed to be unfair. its NOT supposed to be fair 1v1.
it is, however, still possible to win if theres 1 generator left, even if the hatch was closed.
i also dont use cases of my rank 20 battles since im rank 14. im a casual player, and those make up the majority of the game. we dont have all perks, so games are often not very long for us without game extending perks, BBQ and chili on all guys and so on.
i never said a hatch stand off happened regularily, its very rare to happen. but it DOES happen, and it should not happen. so if i cant block the hatch id be fine with that, but i would prefer if it could just be closed.
but hey either way is fine
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@chemical_reject said:
And for clarification I play killer and survivor probably equally, I just don't rage on the forums about stupid thingsi dont rage either. i used arguments, but you threw free kill and entitlement in my face.
the fact this degenerated in to a mud throwing fest is because of you guys, not me. and its nice you have a butt buddy that can help you, but it doesnt make you more right.
then afterwards, you went on to make a baby post where you try to "sum up" what i do. thats about as childish as it can get.
if you think the hatch stand offs are great thats fine. just remember that if we ever find a game together, and this happens, ill be standing on that hatch and you're gonna have to do generators to go out, because you wont get out otherwise. then we can see how "fun" that mechanic is when everyone wastes 30 min.
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@KingArthanal said:
chemical_reject said:Once again refer to my above post about not minding if I escape or not.
Let me just wrap this up for u.....here I go.
"BOOOHOO hatch stand off NERF NERF NERF. WAHWAHWAH. If u don't agree with me ur a survivor maining snob who should git good. Killers have a hard knock life. KILLERS RULE AND SURVIVORS DROOL!"
There that about sums u up.
I don’t want to disrespect someone but that’s so true.
yes you do. and you did.
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@KingArthanal said:
Beardedragon said:@KingArthanal said:
Beardedragon said:
@KingArthanal said: Yes but why you say you can still win the game after killer found hatch? He close it and you can only open with doing a gen. Wasn’t that your words? yes it was. you can still do generators to power the exit to get out even if the hatch is closed.
Yes so we have a free kill after closing hatch and because killer find hatch in 80% of the case, it’s a unfair advantage. That’s it. It’s killed sided.
your logic fails here. you dont get a free kill when there is an exit you can power.
and its not an unfair advantage. stop thinking this is a 1v1 game. its 4v1 game where your entire TEAM was molested. it will NEVER be fair when you're alone. get over it.
the hatch is closed, now do your generators. play better or find pray you get a better team next time. its not a 1v1 game, so yes its unfair. its supposed to be unfair 1v1.
Ignoring what Iam saying doesn’t help to solve any problem. In 99% of the cases you won’t be able to do any single gen with a average killer. And that’s my definition of free kill, yes. You have to stop thinking that asymmetrical games mean you’re entitled to get last kill when you’re killing 3 survivor. Already killing 3 is definition of asymmetrical but that doesn’t mean last one should free kill. What you’re telling us is the definition of an unbalanced game, what is a completely different thing. Maybe you should play more than 200 hours and come back to talk again. Guys like you make this game even worse. You have so many chances to kill last survivor before the hatch even spawn. Whatever you say, devs know why it is, how it is. Gladly nobody listen to your completly insane ideas.
assymetrical gameplay means its unfair in a 1v1 situation versus the killer.
you can do generators even when you are alone. ive done it as survivor, and ive gotten it done to me as killer. some people just play that well.
the idea to close off the hatch was taken off the table again after it was implemented in a patch, because survivors complained. in fact, developers listened to survivors for so long and are now realizing how much they ######### up doing so. thats why many of these perks are now being nerfed. everyone screamed at DS being OP, and several years later, will it finally potentially get the nerf it should have had ages ago.
the idea of closing the hatch isnt bad. its not a balanced game in a 1v1 scenario. you are also responsible for your teammates deaths because you didnt aid them, you didnt block the killer, flashlight him, help them, unhooked them. you are part reason, they are dead.
if you stop thinking 1v 1+1+1+1 and start thinking 1v4, as a team, maybe you would do better.
im not ignoring anything, in many cases you CAN do a single generator. its possible. and in many cases where the hatch stand off happens, there are exactly only that left, 1 generator. not always but many times. close off the hatch and its STILL possible to do 1 generator. if you have several generators left? yea maybe you die. it happens. your team was bad, its now 1v1 dont expect to live. but, its not impossible. like the new pickup time and flashlight saves. its not impossible to do either, its just harder.
you completely over exaggerate the numbers when it comes to being alone. its perfectly possible to do one generator when being alone. if the survivor plays his cards right which you seemingly dont.
you have to stop thinking being 1v1 means you are entitled to survive. you see what happens? use of entitlement = all discussion ends up being a mud throwing fest.
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@chemical_reject said:
Beardedragon said:@chemical_reject said:
Beardedragon said:
@chemical_reject said: Beardedragon said:
@chemical_reject said: Beardedragon said:
@chemical_reject said: Beardedragon said:
Look its been lovely "discussing" this with you two, but we wont get anywhere. you keep spewing "entitlement" nonsense and im just trying to argue my case.i did not start the entitlement talk, you guys did, because i know in the end it ends up being a mud throwing contest if we do use the word, "entitled" when you start mixing entitlement in to it, then all discussion is washed down the sink. The hatch is an additional exit you dont have to work for. im not against that, im really not, but im against the mechanic that allows the hatch stand off to happen. im mostly in favor of being able to close it, but frankly? id be fine with me not being able to legit stand on the hatch too. im ONLY interested in NOT being able to be in a hatch stand off. the mechanic that allows this to happen is bad. so if i simply cant stand on the hatch so i cant block it at all, i would be fine with that too. i wouldnt prefer it, but hey what ever. they just need to fix the stand off, so that the killer doesnt have to "allow" anyone to escape. it shouldnt be beneficial for me to "let" someone escape. and if i cant stand on the hatch, hey that solves the problem. but now we can do the hatch stand off. and if we ever get in to a game, trust me, i wont let you go. even if i have to take 45 minutes. maybe then you realize that you still have generators you can do. good day people.
It's not a "mechanic" when two people are stubborn and are just standing there..... no but its a mechanic that allowed this to happen. the only other place you can find this is if the killer blocks the basement.
What? Ur still here? I thought u took ur ball and went home CUZ ur salty. me too. but i guess i didnt. and i thought you went back to school. this isnt a schoolyard rap video.
Lmao what is that even supposed to mean. A rap video XD maybe u should visit a school and have some of the kids go over comebacks with u. you talk about balls and "cuz" and salty. sounds like a rap video. why do you even have the need to start flinging ######### at people.
Did I say balls? I don't feel like looking but I don't remember mentioning any balls.
oh no you said took your ball. my bad. i didnt read it thoroughly because i thought you were spewing nonsense. which you did but hey my bad.
are we going to keep throwing mud or are we done?
I've got all day. If i were home I'd be busy playing dbd ( which is what u should be doing until u improve)
nice one, but with the new hag i feel like ive gotten quite the hang of 4ks. you can only improve so much in this game without specific perks that extends the game.
i dont really need to improve, i play casually. but as far as i can tell maybe you should work on your survivor skills too. if a killer stands on the hatch you seemingly just go to him waiting for him to move so you can get by. you never once thought about the fact that you could keep doing generators.
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@chemical_reject said:
Beardedragon said:@chemical_reject said:
Beardedragon said:
@chemical_reject said: Beardedragon said:
@chemical_reject said: Beardedragon said:
Look its been lovely "discussing" this with you two, but we wont get anywhere. you keep spewing "entitlement" nonsense and im just trying to argue my case.i did not start the entitlement talk, you guys did, because i know in the end it ends up being a mud throwing contest if we do use the word, "entitled" when you start mixing entitlement in to it, then all discussion is washed down the sink. The hatch is an additional exit you dont have to work for. im not against that, im really not, but im against the mechanic that allows the hatch stand off to happen. im mostly in favor of being able to close it, but frankly? id be fine with me not being able to legit stand on the hatch too. im ONLY interested in NOT being able to be in a hatch stand off. the mechanic that allows this to happen is bad. so if i simply cant stand on the hatch so i cant block it at all, i would be fine with that too. i wouldnt prefer it, but hey what ever. they just need to fix the stand off, so that the killer doesnt have to "allow" anyone to escape. it shouldnt be beneficial for me to "let" someone escape. and if i cant stand on the hatch, hey that solves the problem. but now we can do the hatch stand off. and if we ever get in to a game, trust me, i wont let you go. even if i have to take 45 minutes. maybe then you realize that you still have generators you can do. good day people.
It's not a "mechanic" when two people are stubborn and are just standing there..... no but its a mechanic that allowed this to happen. the only other place you can find this is if the killer blocks the basement.
What? Ur still here? I thought u took ur ball and went home CUZ ur salty. me too. but i guess i didnt. and i thought you went back to school. this isnt a schoolyard rap video.
Lmao what is that even supposed to mean. A rap video XD maybe u should visit a school and have some of the kids go over comebacks with u.
you talk about balls and "cuz" and salty. sounds like a rap video. why do you even have the need to start flinging ######### at people.
its typical survivor main behavior, to be snide, sarcastic and a bit of a smuck. i bet you're the type that actually review bombed this game when the patch came out.
No no review bomb from me. And if u look at some of my previous comments on the forum I was very open about my dislike for the review bomb cuz it was petty.
And ur just acting like the typical "killer main" raging on forum and then going HAM on ur keyboard when someone doesn't agree with u
copy paste where i was raging? im arguing why the hatch stand off is #########, as a mechanic that allows this to happen. then you start calling entitlements, which is a declaration of you, throwing away all arguments from this discussion.
the moment you say free kills, free saves, entitlement, all that, the discussion is pretty much over.
i didnt start that, you did.
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@chemical_reject said:
Beardedragon said:@chemical_reject said:
Beardedragon said:
@chemical_reject said: Beardedragon said:
@chemical_reject said: Beardedragon said:
Look its been lovely "discussing" this with you two, but we wont get anywhere. you keep spewing "entitlement" nonsense and im just trying to argue my case.i did not start the entitlement talk, you guys did, because i know in the end it ends up being a mud throwing contest if we do use the word, "entitled" when you start mixing entitlement in to it, then all discussion is washed down the sink. The hatch is an additional exit you dont have to work for. im not against that, im really not, but im against the mechanic that allows the hatch stand off to happen. im mostly in favor of being able to close it, but frankly? id be fine with me not being able to legit stand on the hatch too. im ONLY interested in NOT being able to be in a hatch stand off. the mechanic that allows this to happen is bad. so if i simply cant stand on the hatch so i cant block it at all, i would be fine with that too. i wouldnt prefer it, but hey what ever. they just need to fix the stand off, so that the killer doesnt have to "allow" anyone to escape. it shouldnt be beneficial for me to "let" someone escape. and if i cant stand on the hatch, hey that solves the problem. but now we can do the hatch stand off. and if we ever get in to a game, trust me, i wont let you go. even if i have to take 45 minutes. maybe then you realize that you still have generators you can do. good day people.
It's not a "mechanic" when two people are stubborn and are just standing there..... no but its a mechanic that allowed this to happen. the only other place you can find this is if the killer blocks the basement.
What? Ur still here? I thought u took ur ball and went home CUZ ur salty. me too. but i guess i didnt. and i thought you went back to school. this isnt a schoolyard rap video.
Lmao what is that even supposed to mean. A rap video XD maybe u should visit a school and have some of the kids go over comebacks with u.
you talk about balls and "cuz" and salty. sounds like a rap video. why do you even have the need to start flinging ######### at people.
Did I say balls? I don't feel like looking but I don't remember mentioning any balls.
oh no you said took your ball. my bad. i didnt read it thoroughly because i thought you were spewing nonsense. which you did but hey my bad.
are we going to keep throwing mud or are we done?
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@KingArthanal said:
Beardedragon said:@KingArthanal said:
Yes but why you say you can still win the game after killer found hatch? He close it and you can only open with doing a gen. Wasn’t that your words?
yes it was.
you can still do generators to power the exit to get out even if the hatch is closed.
Yes so we have a free kill after closing hatch and because killer find hatch in 80% of the case, it’s a unfair advantage. That’s it. It’s killed sided.
your logic fails here. you dont get a free kill when there is an exit you can power.
and its not an unfair advantage. stop thinking this is a 1v1 game. its 4v1 game where your entire TEAM was molested. it will NEVER be fair when you're alone. get over it.
the hatch is closed, now do your generators. play better or find pray you get a better team next time. its not a 1v1 game, so yes its unfair. its supposed to be unfair 1v1.
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@chemical_reject said:
Beardedragon said:@chemical_reject said:
Beardedragon said:
@chemical_reject said: Beardedragon said:
Look its been lovely "discussing" this with you two, but we wont get anywhere. you keep spewing "entitlement" nonsense and im just trying to argue my case.i did not start the entitlement talk, you guys did, because i know in the end it ends up being a mud throwing contest if we do use the word, "entitled" when you start mixing entitlement in to it, then all discussion is washed down the sink. The hatch is an additional exit you dont have to work for. im not against that, im really not, but im against the mechanic that allows the hatch stand off to happen. im mostly in favor of being able to close it, but frankly? id be fine with me not being able to legit stand on the hatch too. im ONLY interested in NOT being able to be in a hatch stand off. the mechanic that allows this to happen is bad. so if i simply cant stand on the hatch so i cant block it at all, i would be fine with that too. i wouldnt prefer it, but hey what ever. they just need to fix the stand off, so that the killer doesnt have to "allow" anyone to escape. it shouldnt be beneficial for me to "let" someone escape. and if i cant stand on the hatch, hey that solves the problem. but now we can do the hatch stand off. and if we ever get in to a game, trust me, i wont let you go. even if i have to take 45 minutes. maybe then you realize that you still have generators you can do. good day people.
It's not a "mechanic" when two people are stubborn and are just standing there..... no but its a mechanic that allowed this to happen. the only other place you can find this is if the killer blocks the basement.
What? Ur still here? I thought u took ur ball and went home CUZ ur salty.
me too. but i guess i didnt. and i thought you went back to school. this isnt a schoolyard rap video.
Lmao what is that even supposed to mean. A rap video XD maybe u should visit a school and have some of the kids go over comebacks with u.
you talk about balls and "cuz" and salty. sounds like a rap video. why do you even have the need to start flinging ######### at people.
its typical survivor main behavior, to be snide, sarcastic and a bit of a smuck. i bet you're the type that actually review bombed this game when the patch came out.
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@KingArthanal said:
Yes but why you say you can still win the game after killer found hatch? He close it and you can only open with doing a gen. Wasn’t that your words?yes it was.
you can still do generators to power the exit to get out even if the hatch is closed.
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@chemical_reject said:
Beardedragon said:@chemical_reject said:
Beardedragon said:
Look its been lovely "discussing" this with you two, but we wont get anywhere. you keep spewing "entitlement" nonsense and im just trying to argue my case.i did not start the entitlement talk, you guys did, because i know in the end it ends up being a mud throwing contest if we do use the word, "entitled" when you start mixing entitlement in to it, then all discussion is washed down the sink. The hatch is an additional exit you dont have to work for. im not against that, im really not, but im against the mechanic that allows the hatch stand off to happen. im mostly in favor of being able to close it, but frankly? id be fine with me not being able to legit stand on the hatch too. im ONLY interested in NOT being able to be in a hatch stand off. the mechanic that allows this to happen is bad. so if i simply cant stand on the hatch so i cant block it at all, i would be fine with that too. i wouldnt prefer it, but hey what ever. they just need to fix the stand off, so that the killer doesnt have to "allow" anyone to escape. it shouldnt be beneficial for me to "let" someone escape. and if i cant stand on the hatch, hey that solves the problem. but now we can do the hatch stand off. and if we ever get in to a game, trust me, i wont let you go. even if i have to take 45 minutes. maybe then you realize that you still have generators you can do. good day people.
It's not a "mechanic" when two people are stubborn and are just standing there.....
no but its a mechanic that allowed this to happen. the only other place you can find this is if the killer blocks the basement.
What? Ur still here? I thought u took ur ball and went home CUZ ur salty.
me too. but i guess i didnt. and i thought you went back to school. this isnt a schoolyard rap video.
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@KingArthanal said:
You said to me the hatch is closed after killer found it, so why should he still camp it when it only open after doing gen?i didnt know you meant after it was closed. if you wrote it then i admit i didnt read most of what you wrote.
IF the hatch is closed yes he patrols generators.
that doesnt mean you instantly lose. it means you play it stealthily, more stealthily than ever and if not you lose.
but if thats a hard pill to swallow for survivors, then lets just do it so the killer cant stand on the hatch or walk over it. like it was a physical thing. that way the stand off is also canceled and everyones seemingly happy.
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@KingArthanal said:
Killer are not weak, they only are too bad. Killer needs a higher skill cap and most killer doesn’t fulfill this. Thats why this killer sided discussion still exist. I could get 95% of 4K games end before even a hatch standoff started. If I down 1 of the last 2 survivor with whisper I have 300 sec too search for the other survivor if he’s not already close to other survivor. Even when I fail too find him within 300 sec and that would be really bad. I still have the chance to find him before he find hatch. Often I already know where hatch is and can patrol route to it per whisper. I see the survivor in the disadvantage here and I say this as main killer. Be happy that you’re even able to grab him at hatch when you failed this hard. In my opinion their shouldn’t be any hatch grab. This just empower noobs more. If I fail i gonna let the survivor escape free as long he’s not a #########. Git gud god damn and stop crying it’s annoying. Read some guides about it.you can’t do any single gen with a patrolling killer so it’s a free kill for him. When will you understand this.
you can if the killer has to cover a hatch also.
ive been in hatch stand offs on both sides, its very possible. the killer aint moving too far from the hatch.
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@chemical_reject said:
Beardedragon said:Look its been lovely "discussing" this with you two, but we wont get anywhere. you keep spewing "entitlement" nonsense and im just trying to argue my case.i did not start the entitlement talk, you guys did, because i know in the end it ends up being a mud throwing contest if we do use the word, "entitled"
when you start mixing entitlement in to it, then all discussion is washed down the sink.
The hatch is an additional exit you dont have to work for. im not against that, im really not, but im against the mechanic that allows the hatch stand off to happen. im mostly in favor of being able to close it, but frankly? id be fine with me not being able to legit stand on the hatch too. im ONLY interested in NOT being able to be in a hatch stand off. the mechanic that allows this to happen is bad.
so if i simply cant stand on the hatch so i cant block it at all, i would be fine with that too. i wouldnt prefer it, but hey what ever.
they just need to fix the stand off, so that the killer doesnt have to "allow" anyone to escape. it shouldnt be beneficial for me to "let" someone escape. and if i cant stand on the hatch, hey that solves the problem.
but now we can do the hatch stand off. and if we ever get in to a game, trust me, i wont let you go. even if i have to take 45 minutes. maybe then you realize that you still have generators you can do.
good day people.
It's not a "mechanic" when two people are stubborn and are just standing there.....
no but its a mechanic that allowed this to happen. the only other place you can find this is if the killer blocks the basement.
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Look its been lovely "discussing" this with you two, but we wont get anywhere. you keep spewing "entitlement" nonsense and im just trying to argue my case.i did not start the entitlement talk, you guys did, because i know in the end it ends up being a mud throwing contest if we do use the word, "entitled"
when you start mixing entitlement in to it, then all discussion is washed down the sink.
The hatch is an additional exit you dont have to work for. im not against that, im really not, but im against the mechanic that allows the hatch stand off to happen. im mostly in favor of being able to close it, but frankly? id be fine with me not being able to legit stand on the hatch too. im ONLY interested in NOT being able to be in a hatch stand off. the mechanic that allows this to happen is bad.
so if i simply cant stand on the hatch so i cant block it at all, i would be fine with that too. i wouldnt prefer it, but hey what ever.
they just need to fix the stand off, so that the killer doesnt have to "allow" anyone to escape. it shouldnt be beneficial for me to "let" someone escape. and if i cant stand on the hatch, hey that solves the problem.
but now we can do the hatch stand off. and if we ever get in to a game, trust me, i wont let you go. even if i have to take 45 minutes. maybe then you realize that you still have generators you can do.
good day people.
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@KingArthanal said:
Beardedragon said:@KingArthanal said:
Sorry but he’s right. You need 80 sec to do a gen while the killer can patrol them twice or 3 times in this time. If he find a gen at 50% he will for sure camp him and we have another problem. Also that you don’t answer my questions seems very suspicious. What you suggest makes the killer by far more stronger. That all look like you just want free 4K but you’re entitled for it. Btw you as killer have the chance to find the survivor before hatch. Survivor have to walk sneaky to not get caught and search longer time than you for it. That’s already a advantage. Killers shouldn’t be able to grab survivor. It’s solved this way.
you dont solve the situation if you CANT grab the survivors. and i did answer your question.
if i cant grab a survivor, nothing stops me from remaining stationary on the hatch. the hatch stand off has thus commenced.
and what part of closing the hatch is unfair? its an extra way to get out. an EXTRA way, not the only way.
survivors needs to accept that if you have a bad team, you lose. if you only got 3 generators done? too bad. you lost. get over it. that is, if the hatch is closed of course.
if they find the hatch first, great, jump out. but the killer should be able to close it, otherwise there's gonna be a hatch stand off. and those are a waste of time.
it takes 80 sec to do a generator, but its different from game to game how much repair time is remaining on the last generator they need before they all got killed. or if theres even 1 generator left only.
have you ever heard about baiting? if you do a generator, purposefully fails a check so it notifies the killer, while the survivor then walks to the hatch, then the killer is off. the MOMENT he walks away form the hatch to patrol generators, the survivor can jump in.
have you actually ever been in a hatch stand off or are you imagining how it goes down? because i have, and they're a pain to be in as a killer due to the fact i can only ever react.
You are not entilted to a free kill. As long you just want a killer sided hatch you gonna get nothing and it will stay the same. If a survivors does well he’s entitled to get through hatch. You had enough chances to get survivor before he’s going to hatch. You could ensure they couldn’t do 2 gens or find him before he find hatch. Compared to killer the survivor couldn’t do any single mistake on his way repairing gens or doing hatch because he just die then. And why should survivor walk to closed hatch when survivor fail skill check on gen? It’s already closed. Only solution is to make killer not grabbing survivor anymore. Deal with it and don’t try to make any suggestions for free kills.
its not a free kill if he can still get out. what part of that dont you guys understand? and how is it killer sided that he gets an extra way out for free that he didnt even have to work for? by all means the last survivor could sit crying in a corner and still be allowed to leave.
he can still get out, thats not a free kill entitlement. and this "entitlement" talk has to stop. no ones entitled to anything. im not entitled to 4k, and you are not entitled to a free escape.
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@chemical_reject said:
Beardedragon said:@chemical_reject said:
@Beardedragon and it's ur vibe that screams 4K entitlement
my vibe screams fairness. your vibe screams: I need at least 5 different ways of exiting including a helicopter that flies over and picks me up, in order to survive.
the whole aspect of this being a team game as survivor is just lost on you. why not just accept that your team messed up and now you are alone?
No. I don't mind not escaping if I was able to have a fun, lengthy match and get some blood points. Why u on the other hand rage about hatch stand offs cuz u feel entitled to that last kill instead of just letting it go and starting a new match
no i "rage" because the hatch stand off is a failed mechanic that shouldnt be allowed to exist. its a WASTE of time. ive seen a stream of a hatch stand off lasting over 30 minutes. my own longest one took 13 minutes.
the fact you assume im raging when im bringing arguments to this case, and the fact you cant even finish your words and have to write "cuz" means this discussion is over. you bring nothing valid at all, except "4k entitlement" and you believing that being alone means you instantly lose the game.
i will not let you go, survivor main, because my objective is to kill you. do you follow me so far? good. if the hatch makes it more beneficial for me to let you go, and it does because otherwise i waste time, then its a failed mechanic. if a mechanic forces you to do something thats against your objective, then it fails.
thats logic. do you understand that little fact?
do you also understand that you can STILL get out, if you dont go through the hatch? that if the hatch is closed off, then that EXTRA way you were given, for free, isnt the only way out?
YOU, the survivor, holds all the cards in this hatch stand off. the killer does not.
do your generators if the hatch is closed.
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@chemical_reject said:
@Beardedragon and it's ur vibe that screams 4K entitlementmy vibe screams fairness. your vibe screams: I need at least 5 different ways of exiting including a helicopter that flies over and picks me up, in order to survive.
the whole aspect of this being a team game as survivor is just lost on you. why not just accept that your team messed up and now you are alone?
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@KingArthanal said:
Sorry but he’s right. You need 80 sec to do a gen while the killer can patrol them twice or 3 times in this time. If he find a gen at 50% he will for sure camp him and we have another problem. Also that you don’t answer my questions seems very suspicious. What you suggest makes the killer by far more stronger. That all look like you just want free 4K but you’re entitled for it. Btw you as killer have the chance to find the survivor before hatch. Survivor have to walk sneaky to not get caught and search longer time than you for it. That’s already a advantage. Killers shouldn’t be able to grab survivor. It’s solved this way.you dont solve the situation if you CANT grab the survivors. and i did answer your question.
if i cant grab a survivor, nothing stops me from remaining stationary on the hatch. the hatch stand off has thus commenced.
and what part of closing the hatch is unfair? its an extra way to get out. an EXTRA way, not the only way.
survivors needs to accept that if you have a bad team, you lose. if you only got 3 generators done? too bad. you lost. get over it. that is, if the hatch is closed of course and the last survivor fails to do the last 2 generators.
if they find the hatch first, great, jump out. but the killer should be able to close it, otherwise there's gonna be a hatch stand off. and those are a waste of time.
it takes 80 sec to do a generator, but its different from game to game how much repair time is remaining on the last generator they need before they all got killed. or if theres even 1 generator left only.
have you ever heard about baiting? if you do a generator, purposefully fails a check so it notifies the killer, while the survivor then walks to the hatch, then the killer is off. the MOMENT he walks away form the hatch to patrol generators, the survivor can jump in.
have you actually ever been in a hatch stand off or are you imagining how it goes down? because i have, and they're a pain to be in as a killer due to the fact i can only ever react. survivors rarely walk away from the hatch, sometimes they pretend that they're going to do generators when they are really just hiding behind a tree or something else. they dont want to do generators, they wait for the hatch to be clear. thats why its dumb. they have a way out other than the hatch, and now we're standing here like morons. because they know i cant walk away too far from it, unless i want to let the last guy go. i wont let him go, if i can avoid it. and im sure survivors dont want to be killed either, but thats why they can still do generators.
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@KingArthanal said:
Beardedragon said:@KingArthanal said:
And what if they find the hatch at the exactly same time and how long does it take to close hatch? That are essential question had to be answered.
if they find it at the same time the survivor will try to jump in, but if he does he can be grabbed like they can
Survivor can jump in during close hatch?
i have no idea. im imagining it like the generators. you cant damage generators as a killer when a survivor repairs them. so im guessing while the survivor is doing the jumping in through the hatch, the killer cant close the hatch. but then again, you have no need to close it, during that time as you just grab them in the air, which is possible. if you're afraid of DS you can drop them again, close hatch, and pick up.
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@chemical_reject said:
Then the killer should just hit him and move on. NOT entitled to a 4KYou're not very smart are you.
what part of do the last generators even if its just 1 generator, somehow means you will INSTANTLY LOSE the battle?
did i say i was entitled to a 4k? if survivors do the generators, they get out. if the hatch gets closed in the end, you can STILL get out alive. what part of YOU being able to get out alive, screams "4k entitlement" to you?
you had an EXTRA opportunity to get out because you were the last survivor. you didnt find the hatch in time, now its closed. its not like the exit gates are powered off and you cant do your job as survivor and get out the normal way.
YOU are not entitled to survive but you make it out to be like you are.
if i need to move away and let him through, then the mechanic fails. because it forces the killer to go against his objective, which is to kill. thats logic. if you dont see it, then there is no helping you.
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@KingArthanal said:
And what if they find the hatch at the exactly same time and how long does it take to close hatch? That are essential question had to be answered.if they find it at the same time the survivor will try to jump in, but if he does he can be grabbed like they can now.
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@chemical_reject said:
Beardedragon said:@chemical_reject said:
Beardedragon said:
@chemical_reject said: Beardedragon said:
@chemical_reject said: You are not entitled to a free kill or an achievement. how does he get a "free kill" by chasing down a survivor and.. well killing him? if you could close the hatch, the survivor could still get to it before the killer does. if he doesnt, he can still finish repairing generators. the hatch stand off needs to go away, as its, from a mechanic point of view, does not work. how they want to fix it, im not really interested in, just that they do.
It's a free kill because he didn't catch the survivor BEFORE the hatch was found. and if the survivor gets to the hatch thats fine. but the killer should be able to close it. survivors dont need a free escape either. the stand off is just stupid because it means people will just stare at one another
At that point it's just a game of who's more stubborn.
and thats exactly why the hatch stand off has failed as a mechanic and needs to be fixed.
No the mechanic hasn't failed. The players have. If the survivor gets their first he should leave. If the killer gets there first, well he should patrol around for the survivor. If he camps the survivor should do gens. If he leaves the hatch then the survivor has a chance to escape thru it.
It's stupid for both parties to just stand hatch. BUT being able to close the hatch and then go find the survivor on a gen is just a free kill.
First of all what you say makes ZERO sense. you say the survivor gets there first he should leave? great. thats not a hatch stand off. the hatch stand off happens because the KILLER gets there first and stands on the hatch. and the survivor comes some time later and they look in to each others eyes. thats a hatch stand off. how would the stand off happen if the survivor got there first? he would just jump in.
given the speed boost you get as survivor when you are hit, you need to be pretty ######### far away from the hatch for it to be beneficial to the killer to hit the survivor.
And why is it a free kill? if the hatch is closed off, then its like playing the game normally as a survivor. one person can still hide, and still do the last generators. its vastly harder to find one person than it is to find 3. and if the survivors were smart they didnt repair generators so the last generators are next to one another.
do you really have to little faith in your survivor skills that you cant hide from the killer when you're alone?
IF a mechanic forces you to LET GO of survivors, when its your objective to kill them, then yes it has failed.
Killers cant block the exits, they are too wide, the survivors are meant to simply run out.
the hatch he can block, yet he cant win by standing there.
thats why the mechanic fails, because the survivor has all the cards, and the situation isnt fair. The survivor can do the remaining generators or he can wait to be hit once, or wait for the killer to go away. The survivor holds the cards here, he has the opportunity to move things, and still get out alive. if the KILLER starts making a move, he will lose. he can only react to the survivor going away if he wants to be successful, he cannot be the first to make the move.
the hatch should be able to be closed.
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@KingArthanal said:
Yes I think so too. Killer shouldn’t be able to catch a jumping in survivor, so he gonna Hunt him before he find hatch.who should have the leeway im not really interested in, i just think that they should remove the possibility of the hatch stand off entirely.
if the survivor finds the hatch first, great he can jump in. if the killer does, great, he can close it down.
i feel like this is the most fair.
the whole idea of "the most stubborn person wins" isnt even true for the hatch stand off as its the survivor that holds all the cards. the killer cant hit the survivor when he's protecting the hatch as they can just run through him and jump in. if the killer is meant to go for the survivor, then the survivor has to actively go for generators and be away from the hatch.
the killer does not have the opportunity to kill all survivors if the survivor dont go away from the hatch, thats why i believe simply being able to close the hatch is most fair. if the hatch is closed, they can still get out with generators.
killers are not entitled to a 4k, and survivors are not entitled to avoid everyone dying either. being able to close the hatch, is fair to all.
as it was already in the pre patch but was taken out, i still fail to see why they did that. having a mechanic that removes the hatch stand off to begin with, sounds a lot better than having a mechanic that can essentially extend a game indefinitly untill the survivor leaves the hatch or killer hits the survivor and lets him live.
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@chemical_reject said:
Beardedragon said:@chemical_reject said:
Beardedragon said:
@chemical_reject said: You are not entitled to a free kill or an achievement. how does he get a "free kill" by chasing down a survivor and.. well killing him? if you could close the hatch, the survivor could still get to it before the killer does. if he doesnt, he can still finish repairing generators. the hatch stand off needs to go away, as its, from a mechanic point of view, does not work. how they want to fix it, im not really interested in, just that they do.
It's a free kill because he didn't catch the survivor BEFORE the hatch was found.
and if the survivor gets to the hatch thats fine.
but the killer should be able to close it. survivors dont need a free escape either.
the stand off is just stupid because it means people will just stare at one another
At that point it's just a game of who's more stubborn.
and thats exactly why the hatch stand off has failed as a mechanic and needs to be fixed.
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@chemical_reject said:
Beardedragon said:@chemical_reject said:
You are not entitled to a free kill or an achievement.
how does he get a "free kill" by chasing down a survivor and.. well killing him?
if you could close the hatch, the survivor could still get to it before the killer does. if he doesnt, he can still finish repairing generators.
the hatch stand off needs to go away, as its, from a mechanic point of view, does not work. how they want to fix it, im not really interested in, just that they do.
It's a free kill because he didn't catch the survivor BEFORE the hatch was found.
and if the survivor gets to the hatch thats fine.
but the killer should be able to close it. survivors dont need a free escape either.
the stand off is just stupid because it means people will just stare at one another
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"Pathetic ######### camper"
the exit gates had literally just opened when i decided to camp because what else am i gonna do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCQRYWLUo_Y