The only unbelieve thing here is some of you thinking you deserve a "special treatment". They are not point guning anyone to buy the limited skins.. get over with it. Maybe if you spend more time working instead of wasting your time on the forums you could buy the skins you want all at cost.. Like, come on its just a skin your life isn't going to end if you don't have one or two.
Selling things to children is not illegal, last time I checked
Nor is selling clearly fake things, as long as I don't break copyright rules
But that of course was an example, I'd get my kneecaps smashed by some angry parent in that situation, and I wouldn't blame them.
Both actions take advantage of vulnerable people though, children on one hand, people with impulse control issues on the other, why should one be different than the other?
But see, in your example, your target is a demographic with under-developed decision-making skills and an inability to visualize life more than 24 hours into the future. In the present situation, we're talking about grown-ass adults. Do you mean to equate people susceptible to FOMO with having child-like minds incapable of knowing what is in their best interests? Because that's kind of my takeaway from this really poor comparison.
These are marketing techniques. Not Jedi mind tricks.
For people still not understanding what others are finding objectionable here it's not even primarily that BHVR is stepping into limited availability, it's that:
They're pulling cosmetics that have already been available year round into it. Doing it with new cosmetics is disappointing, but not really a huge deal in and of itself. Plucking existing stuff out of the store is more alarming, not just because you're losing access to stuff we took for granted, but it's setting precedent. What is is going to be next? When?
The direct contradiction in messaging from "all non-licensed cosmetics will be available for shards eventually" to "well, except the seasonal/event items". This really feels like an intentional misdirection. Like they're fostering goodwill by making older items available for in game currency, but then diluting the value there by then excluding many of the items people are likely waiting to become available for shards. If this new tactic of roping established cosmetics into the limited availability pool expands to other seasonal groups (Halloween, Lunar New Year, etc.), the gesture of making these old items available for shards means almost nothing.
Of course not everyone who is alarmed/irritated by this was or is going to buy these cosmetics, but many were. I know I was excited about some of these older cosmetics that I have been on the fence about becoming available for shards, but more than that, it's a principle thing.
At best it's incompetence in messaging, at worst is bold faced predation on consumers. DBD is not free to play, and the existing cosmetics are already objectively overpriced. Considerably. That being the case, moving in this direction is kind of a middle finger to the consumer.
It's a massive injection of uncertainty, and barring some sort of clear messaging on the subject, we can only assume this practice is laying the groundwork to metastasize into the other seasonal realms. For many this will result in just pulling back from buying at all, for some it will make no difference, but for others it's going to make fomo panic buying the norm.
how the ######### is this a scummy practice, is every one here living under a rock?
Games have been doing this for a long time.
Im an Advocate of they should release skins and then never release them again or maybe in a different color.
You guys should be lucky they even come back.
Scummy is bringing back the Battle Pass items to be purchased in the shop, thats not how Battle Passes work in other games. its either you get them or not.
how the ######### is this a scummy practice, is every one here living under a rock?
Games have been doing this for a long time.
Im an Advocate of they should release skins and then never release them again or maybe in a different color.
You guys should be lucky they even come back.
Scummy is bringing back the Battle Pass items to be purchased in the shop, thats not how Battle Passes work in other games. its either you get them or not.
Sorry Mandy, but he isn't wrong. This is a very good reason to amend a review. The game is constantly changing, it's not the same game it was 6 years ago and the reviews should reflect that.
You absolutely are removing existing cosmetics from the game, whether you plan to bring them back next year or not is irrelevant.
They are NOT removing them from the game they are just leaving until NEXT YEAR. Like any other game that has SEASONAL cosmetics.
They are NOT removing them from the game they are just leaving until NEXT YEAR. Like any other game that has SEASONAL cosmetics.
Prove it.
Nothing is for certain. The company can change their mind at any point so it's not a given they'll be back. Therefore, they ARE removing them from the game. They MIGHT add them back next year, but until then they have been removed from the game.
It's bad enough that they made the new cosmetics LTO. But putting already available cosmetics that were once available all year round behind a limited time wall? It's ridiculous. If they wanted to do the LTO thing with new cosmetics, fine. But doing it with already existing cosmetics is where it crosses the line.
Nothing is for certain. The company can change their mind at any point so it's not a given they'll be back. Therefore, they ARE removing them from the game. They MIGHT add them back next year, but until then they have been removed from the game.
Many said they will return next year. Now, one can choose to believe that BHVR are liars and that they will change their mind and make them permanently removed when Christmas comes around next year, and... well, hey you could be right, but I seriously doubt you are.
You say prove it, well... We will see next year. That's all anyone can say except for BHVR, which again, Mandy has assured us they WILL be back next year. That's as close as you are going to get to proof.
Many said they will return next year. Now, one can choose to believe that BHVR are liars and that they will change their mind and make them permanently removed when Christmas comes around next year, and... well, hey you could be right, but I seriously doubt you are.
You say prove it, well... We will see next year. That's all anyone can say except for BHVR, which again, Mandy has assured us they WILL be back next year. That's as close as you are going to get to proof.
Oh yeah because everything BHVR says always happens?
Like the Cross Progression for Switch? Oh wait. Like Cosmetics for all non licensed characters being available to buy for shards? Oh wait.
how the ######### is this a scummy practice, is every one here living under a rock?
Games have been doing this for a long time.
Im an Advocate of they should release skins and then never release them again or maybe in a different color.
You guys should be lucky they even come back.
Scummy is bringing back the Battle Pass items to be purchased in the shop, thats not how Battle Passes work in other games. its either you get them or not.
Your argument is as long as other games do it it can’t be scummy? And if DbD does something differently than others -even though it was stated to work like that before the first tome/rift started - it is scummy?
how the ######### is this a scummy practice, is every one here living under a rock?
Games have been doing this for a long time.
Im an Advocate of they should release skins and then never release them again or maybe in a different color.
You guys should be lucky they even come back.
Scummy is bringing back the Battle Pass items to be purchased in the shop, thats not how Battle Passes work in other games. its either you get them or not.
Oh yeah because everything BHVR says always happens?
Like the Cross Progression for Switch? Oh wait. Like Cosmetics for all non licensed characters being available to buy for shards? Oh wait.
They are still working on Cross Progression for Switch, and they've said that the holiday cosmetics are an exception. It's only a few more weeks until you will be able to get Vittorio's very rares for shards. IF and that's a BIG IF you can't in a few weeks, then that will be different.
I personally like this sazonality, but, i think DBD should have a better physic, because, every hair, every clothe, everything about cosmetic are so static and boring to see, nothing moves, wheres the hairs moviments? clothes moviments? these simple things make a lot of diference for experience in the game and could be more appelative to buy them. If we will sazonality cosmetics, they need be better than now
Whilst the cosmetics will be leaving the store after this seasonal period ends, they will become available next year during the winter season.
that's really all the official team can respond with? the game with all the killers and survivors is around 150$ without grinding shards. 15 buck skins, paid battle passes and now limited time skins. "well just wait a whole year".
Did...did someone really lose their mind over seasonal outfits leaving after the season ends?
I wonder what OP's reaction would be to my local Halloween mega-store, which opens for October only and closes November 1st until next October 1st, every year.
Or how about when grocery stores only sell Valentine's Day candy around Valentine's Day.
Or how Christmas decorations leave stores after December 31st. Not to mention the holiday deals that end after the holidays! So much FOMO! Down with Big Money! 🤣
Did...did someone really lose their mind over seasonal outfits leaving after the season ends?
I wonder what OP's reaction would be to my local Halloween mega-store, which opens for October only and closes November 1st until next October 1st, every year.
Or how about when grocery stores only sell Valentine's Day candy around Valentine's Day.
Or how Christmas decorations leave stores after December 31st. Not to mention the holiday deals that end after the holidays! So much FOMO! Down with Big Money! 🤣
Wow, looks like someone missed the point entirely of this thread.
Please either come back informed or don't bother posting.
Wow, looks like someone missed the point entirely of this thread.
Please either come back informed or don't bother posting.
No they got the point and made a post showing how ridiculous all this hate for BHVR sounds. All the examples they gave are the very same situation as the seasonal cosmetics leaving when their season ends.
I personally like this sazonality, but, i think DBD should have a better physic, because, every hair, every clothe, everything about cosmetic are so static and boring to see, nothing moves, wheres the hairs moviments? clothes moviments? these simple things make a lot of diference for experience in the game and could be more appelative to buy them. If we will sazonality cosmetics, they need be better than now
Most players wouldn't even be able to see the cool and interesting moving parts you talked about, playing on the lowest graphics settings in order to not spawn too much grass and rubble:p
Did...did someone really lose their mind over seasonal outfits leaving after the season ends?
I wonder what OP's reaction would be to my local Halloween mega-store, which opens for October only and closes November 1st until next October 1st, every year.
Or how about when grocery stores only sell Valentine's Day candy around Valentine's Day.
Or how Christmas decorations leave stores after December 31st. Not to mention the holiday deals that end after the holidays! So much FOMO! Down with Big Money! 🤣
Hmm it's almost like inventory of physical goods is limited by store costs and space, but that doesn't apply whatsoever to video game DLC...
You completely missed the point. None of my examples were inventory based:
The Halloween store has enough costumes to sell year-round. They just choose to b e open one month a year.
Stores have enough candy to sell outside Valentine's Day.
You think Wal-Mart runs out of Christmas decorations? They just store them away for next year.
Hmm, it's almost like every business rotates stock and store away seasonal items after that season ends. WEIRD! 🤔
The inventory a store chooses to display is limited, if not by supply, then by the store's dimensions and limited shelf space. If wal mart had infinite shelf space, they would surely stock all kinds of seasonal decorations year round. Hence you can easily find Halloween costumes online at any time. So again, comparing physical constraints of brick and mortar stores to digital items is foolish.
The inventory a store chooses to display is limited, if not by supply, then by the store's dimensions and limited shelf space. If wal mart had infinite shelf space, they would surely stock all kinds of seasonal decorations year round. Hence you can easily find Halloween costumes online at any time. So again, comparing physical constraints of brick and mortar stores to digital items is foolish.
No, it's not 'foolish' just because someone wants to screech that seasonal cosmetics are somehow predatory. Jesus.
But go off. It's clear some people just want to keep yelling about literal first-world problems that in no way affect their daily lives. No one is going to die or go bankrupt because holiday skins were limited to the damn holiday season. 🤦♂️
You completely missed the point. None of my examples were inventory based:
The Halloween store has enough costumes to sell year-round. They just choose to b e open one month a year.
Stores have enough candy to sell outside Valentine's Day.
You think Wal-Mart runs out of Christmas decorations? They just store them away for next year.
Hmm, it's almost like every business rotates stock and store away seasonal items after that season ends. WEIRD! 🤔
Even if all those seasonal stuff are removed from display, they are still available to buy through Internet. Look, it's January and you can buy a summer snowsuit. So your comparison is nonsense.
Even if all those seasonal stuff are removed from display, they are still available to buy through Internet. Look, it's January and you can buy a summer snowsuit. So your comparison is nonsense.
BHVR can't control every store. Your comparison is nonsense.
BHVR has decided to end the seasonal sales. It's not the end of the damn world, and it's not a scam or 'greedy' or 'scummy'. Stop with the mental acrobatics to justify being angry at a tiny problem no one sane cares about.
BHVR can't control every store. Your comparison is nonsense.
BHVR has decided to end the seasonal sales. It's not the end of the damn world, and it's not a scam or 'greedy' or 'scummy'. Stop with the mental acrobatics to justify being angry at a tiny problem no one sane cares about.
It's not the end of the world, but it is a scam and greedy and scummy. And a lot of people care about this tiny problem. Stop being comfy in your little bubble.
You completely missed the point. None of my examples were inventory based:
The Halloween store has enough costumes to sell year-round. They just choose to b e open one month a year.
Stores have enough candy to sell outside Valentine's Day.
You think Wal-Mart runs out of Christmas decorations? They just store them away for next year.
Hmm, it's almost like every business rotates stock and store away seasonal items after that season ends. WEIRD! 🤔
A physical store front only has so much space for inventory which is why they rotate seasonal inventory in their physical stores. Most stores now have an online option and being able to shop online we are no longer bound by only being able to buy products seasonally.
Spirit of Halloween that only has a physical store front for a month has an online shop where you can buy Halloween products from them year round: https://www.spirithalloween.com
BHVR can't control every store. Your comparison is nonsense.
BHVR has decided to end the seasonal sales. It's not the end of the damn world, and it's not a scam or 'greedy' or 'scummy'. Stop with the mental acrobatics to justify being angry at a tiny problem no one sane cares about.
You're absolutely right about it not being a big deal, and a "first world problem".
But by that logic, nothing about this game, including its existing at all, is important, so let's just shut the forum down.
And comparing BHVR's digital to a physical store is apples/oranges. They operate under completely different constraints and considerations.
Not just making these sales seasonal, but pulling in items that had for years been available year round (which is what I find most distasteful) is nothing but a pure FOMO move. Simple as. There is no shelf or floor space to clear, no inventory to manage. It's just a scummy business tactic designed to make people feel pressure to buy.
If you're fine with it, then you're fine with it. That's your prerogative, no one is saying you have to be outraged by it.
Just don't waste your time trying to dress it up like something else, or tell other people how they should feel.
Whilst the cosmetics will be leaving the store after this seasonal period ends, they will become available next year during the winter season.
That doesn't make it much better. FOMO is a scummy and greedy psycological tactic to pressure people into buying things as soon as possible. Remember, this isn't a F2P game. This is a game that cost 30€ (I believe). I would expect to be NOT exposed to such things if I already have to pay for a game. Not to mention the DLCs that cost money as well. I don't mind cosmetics or a battle pass and DLCs. this game has to finance itself somehow especially because of the licences. But come on. Are limited cosmetics really needed? And there is always the possibility that this game will offer cosmetics that might never return after a limited time.
"Why players would want to purchase a winter cosmetic in the middle of summer anyways."
You do realize the Southern Hemisphere exists, right? Not to mention as I stated a bit earlier, my survivors won't overheat if I put a sweater on them if it's hot outside. Besides, Ormond looks pretty chilly.
Add in that a good portion of "winter" cosmetics are pretty generic and are worn year round. Not only do they not look like they fit a specific season but they can be mix & matched with other cosmetics. Mikaelas shorts from Cozy Break collection would be one that players use year round with different tops but devs have deemed it a "seasonal" cosmetic and now removed it from being available year round.
I just wanted to add my voice to the ones of other disappointed players. I am extremely disappointed, especially by the act of retroactively removing cosmetics from the store that were previously available for shards. The messaging comes across as dishonest - I am referring to the announcement that ALL non-licensed outfits would become available for shards after 4 weeks and then adding countless exemptions and loop-holes.
I will not give the forum moderators backlash on this situation. They do at least give players a warning, for several weeks. I'm not sure why players would want to purchase a winter cosmetic in the middle of summer anyways. Yes, scold me, I am a player that encourages this practice by purchasing every single winter cosmetic during this season and does not complain afterward. I feel that this business practice will not change as it is effective. I am sure Dead By Daylight is not the only game that does this. They are only cosmetics, I do not see how threatening to change game reviews and being so rude to the moderators over something so minor is the answer. I am sorry forum moderators for you having to put up with this sort of treatment, do what is best for yourselves and your game, not for a very minor part of this game's fanbase.
Maybe because only in the north hemisphere is winter now?
My point still stands though about my comment, and it's my opinion. I'm a bit disappointed that's the point that people noticed and no one gave me a good argument about my important points... such as, no needing to bash the forum moderators so harshly about simple... mediocre cosmetics that gives no one any stat boosts or possibly not complaining that the same tactic is used in other games but this is the game that is being threatened with negative reviews and horrendous treatment of the moderators. Pity. Says quite a bit about who these game developers are trying to keep satisfied. (Of course they will never be satisfied with anything...) If it is a cosmetic that drives people over the edge to downvote this game... then I have no idea what to say.
1) I completely agree - nobody should attack forum moderators or anyone else for that matter.
2) Personally I don't play any other games where this specific tactic is used so there's nothing to complain about. Also, this is the DbD forum, so I am not sure what other games have to do with it necessarily.
That said, I used to play a game that had purchasable cosmetics and limited-time cosmetics from the start but that company never promised players anything else and then went back on it or added exemptions and loop-holes so they didn't have to stand by what they said. If a company starts with scummy tactics, that's one thing - you can choose if you want to support that or not. But if a company is descending into scummy tactics later on, of course people who love their game are going to give feedback on it because it feels like a betrayal of their good faith.
3) People can choose what type of review they want to leave and what's important to them. I would say the first step is to voice your dissatisfaction on the forum or social media. If there's enough backlash they might reconsider as they do take community feedback on board from time to time. If they stick by this decision, then they know what they are doing and that a lot of people will be pissed off and they will have to deal with the consequences.
I think for a lot of people the issue is not the cosmetics themselves (although limited-time stuff is annoying in itself) but the tactic of preying on FOMO and dishonest messaging towards the community. So it's more a matter of principle and I do think that's something worth speaking up for.
There is literally no benefit for us players in seasonal cosmetics. If you don't mind that at all great, good for you. But some of us like to buy cosmetics with shards and don't want to wait for that cosmetic to be in season again.
Apart from that, there is no need for this. It's just an easy marketing tactic to get more money out of the players.
No one has been able to present an argument for making things seasonal because there is none outside of regular corporate greed. All they can do is cry out about they 'don't care' and it 'doesn't matter', though if that was actually true, they wouldn't be devoting time to defending it in that disingenous and toadying way.
No one has been able to present an argument for making things seasonal because there is none outside of regular corporate greed. All they can do is cry out about they 'don't care' and it 'doesn't matter', though if that was actually true, they wouldn't be devoting time to defending it in that disingenous and toadying way.
Sounds like some paid actors, only no one is actually getting paid.
I'm not saying anyone shouldn't leave any type of review they want, I respect others' opinions very much. They just shouldn't make it while attacking forum moderators, who more than likely has no say in when the cosmetics leave at a particular time, they are just the announcers. That's what truly bothers me. I am also voicing my opinion how it may be a good marketing tactic for them that leaves customers wanting to come back eventually for that cosmetic. "I have to come back next year because I really want that outfit!", that's what the developers in charge of these decisions want people to think. They probably continue to use that 'scummy tactic' because it works. I have no statistics to prove this, this is just my thought. Do I think they're really worth waiting a whole year for? No. Not unless outfits were given a slight buff to the character you're playing instead of purely just cosmetic. Which would never happen because that really is unfair. I just wish people were nicer when asking for changes instead of being so aggressive and immediately threatening to give the game a bad review over something so minor.
Also, what is an example of dishonest messaging? They surely did give a message how they would be back next year and a time frame on which the limited time cosmetics would be available. (I'm not being rude, I'm genuinely curious if they did deceive us and I didn't notice.)
Mizu you won't get through sadly....these are the DbD forums and anyone who doesn't share in the "most popular opinion" will be made a outcast and that they are "wrong" in the way they are thinking.
You said your peace and be done with it because at the end of the day these forums are filled with keyboard warriors that will not see anyone else's opinions but their own.
I'm not saying anyone shouldn't leave any type of review they want, I respect others' opinions very much. They just shouldn't make it while attacking forum moderators, who more than likely has no say in when the cosmetics leave at a particular time, they are just the announcers. That's what truly bothers me. I am also voicing my opinion how it may be a good marketing tactic for them that leaves customers wanting to come back eventually for that cosmetic. "I have to come back next year because I really want that outfit!", that's what the developers in charge of these decisions want people to think. They probably continue to use that 'scummy tactic' because it works. I have no statistics to prove this, this is just my thought. Do I think they're really worth waiting a whole year for? No. Not unless outfits were given a slight buff to the character you're playing instead of purely just cosmetic. Which would never happen because that really is unfair. I just wish people were nicer when asking for changes instead of being so aggressive and immediately threatening to give the game a bad review over something so minor.
Also, what is an example of dishonest messaging? They surely did give a message how they would be back next year and a time frame on which the limited time cosmetics would be available. (I'm not being rude, I'm genuinely curious if they did deceive us and I didn't notice.)
Example of dishonest messaging: announcing on social media that all future original cosmetics will be available to buy with Iri Shards 4 weeks after their release. then, announcing on this forum only that the "seasonal" cosmetics are exempted from that rule.
I'm not saying anyone shouldn't leave any type of review they want, I respect others' opinions very much. They just shouldn't make it while attacking forum moderators, who more than likely has no say in when the cosmetics leave at a particular time, they are just the announcers. That's what truly bothers me. I am also voicing my opinion how it may be a good marketing tactic for them that leaves customers wanting to come back eventually for that cosmetic. "I have to come back next year because I really want that outfit!", that's what the developers in charge of these decisions want people to think. They probably continue to use that 'scummy tactic' because it works. I have no statistics to prove this, this is just my thought. Do I think they're really worth waiting a whole year for? No. Not unless outfits were given a slight buff to the character you're playing instead of purely just cosmetic. Which would never happen because that really is unfair. I just wish people were nicer when asking for changes instead of being so aggressive and immediately threatening to give the game a bad review over something so minor.
Also, what is an example of dishonest messaging? They surely did give a message how they would be back next year and a time frame on which the limited time cosmetics would be available. (I'm not being rude, I'm genuinely curious if they did deceive us and I didn't notice.)
(For some reason my post was deleted so I am trying again)
Regarding the dishonest messaging, I am referring to this tweet from September 2022:
Starting today, we’ll begin adding Shard prices to outfits previously only available with Auric Cells. This will be done in batches of a few characters at a time, starting with the original Survivors: Dwight, Claudette, Jake, and Meg. (2/4)
Going forward, new non-licensed outfits will release with their usual Auric Cell price, receiving an Iridescent Shard option 4 weeks following their debut. (3/4)
If you have Iridescent Shards burning a hole in your pocket, we hope you’ll find no shortage of outfits to spend them on! (4/4)
And you're absolutely right, that's all you can do is just voice your opinion and leave the rest alone. I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion by any means. The game developers will do what they want to do with the game at the end of the day and that's it.
Yup that's all we can do I have been given back lash in the past on these forums for giving my opinion and got into arguments...now if I see I won't have a decent civil discussion I usually will stop responding to save the headache
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The only unbelieve thing here is some of you thinking you deserve a "special treatment". They are not point guning anyone to buy the limited skins.. get over with it. Maybe if you spend more time working instead of wasting your time on the forums you could buy the skins you want all at cost.. Like, come on its just a skin your life isn't going to end if you don't have one or two.
But see, in your example, your target is a demographic with under-developed decision-making skills and an inability to visualize life more than 24 hours into the future. In the present situation, we're talking about grown-ass adults. Do you mean to equate people susceptible to FOMO with having child-like minds incapable of knowing what is in their best interests? Because that's kind of my takeaway from this really poor comparison.
These are marketing techniques. Not Jedi mind tricks.
For people still not understanding what others are finding objectionable here it's not even primarily that BHVR is stepping into limited availability, it's that:
Of course not everyone who is alarmed/irritated by this was or is going to buy these cosmetics, but many were. I know I was excited about some of these older cosmetics that I have been on the fence about becoming available for shards, but more than that, it's a principle thing.
At best it's incompetence in messaging, at worst is bold faced predation on consumers. DBD is not free to play, and the existing cosmetics are already objectively overpriced. Considerably. That being the case, moving in this direction is kind of a middle finger to the consumer.
It's a massive injection of uncertainty, and barring some sort of clear messaging on the subject, we can only assume this practice is laying the groundwork to metastasize into the other seasonal realms. For many this will result in just pulling back from buying at all, for some it will make no difference, but for others it's going to make fomo panic buying the norm.
It's gross.
There's a lot of people who play Jane like me who use her Hollywood Dress outside the event. You can't blanket statement stuff you haven't seen
how the ######### is this a scummy practice, is every one here living under a rock?
Games have been doing this for a long time.
Im an Advocate of they should release skins and then never release them again or maybe in a different color.
You guys should be lucky they even come back.
Scummy is bringing back the Battle Pass items to be purchased in the shop, thats not how Battle Passes work in other games. its either you get them or not.
What?
They are NOT removing them from the game they are just leaving until NEXT YEAR. Like any other game that has SEASONAL cosmetics.
Prove it.
Nothing is for certain. The company can change their mind at any point so it's not a given they'll be back. Therefore, they ARE removing them from the game. They MIGHT add them back next year, but until then they have been removed from the game.
It's bad enough that they made the new cosmetics LTO. But putting already available cosmetics that were once available all year round behind a limited time wall? It's ridiculous. If they wanted to do the LTO thing with new cosmetics, fine. But doing it with already existing cosmetics is where it crosses the line.
Many said they will return next year. Now, one can choose to believe that BHVR are liars and that they will change their mind and make them permanently removed when Christmas comes around next year, and... well, hey you could be right, but I seriously doubt you are.
You say prove it, well... We will see next year. That's all anyone can say except for BHVR, which again, Mandy has assured us they WILL be back next year. That's as close as you are going to get to proof.
Oh yeah because everything BHVR says always happens?
Like the Cross Progression for Switch? Oh wait. Like Cosmetics for all non licensed characters being available to buy for shards? Oh wait.
Your argument is as long as other games do it it can’t be scummy? And if DbD does something differently than others -even though it was stated to work like that before the first tome/rift started - it is scummy?
This explains everything now
My god, video games got you all broken.
They are still working on Cross Progression for Switch, and they've said that the holiday cosmetics are an exception. It's only a few more weeks until you will be able to get Vittorio's very rares for shards. IF and that's a BIG IF you can't in a few weeks, then that will be different.
Less than 24 hours before they all leave.
I mean, the game is already pay to win, idk why people get surprised like monetization in dbd is a new thing lol
I personally like this sazonality, but, i think DBD should have a better physic, because, every hair, every clothe, everything about cosmetic are so static and boring to see, nothing moves, wheres the hairs moviments? clothes moviments? these simple things make a lot of diference for experience in the game and could be more appelative to buy them. If we will sazonality cosmetics, they need be better than now
that's really all the official team can respond with? the game with all the killers and survivors is around 150$ without grinding shards. 15 buck skins, paid battle passes and now limited time skins. "well just wait a whole year".
seriously?
Did...did someone really lose their mind over seasonal outfits leaving after the season ends?
I wonder what OP's reaction would be to my local Halloween mega-store, which opens for October only and closes November 1st until next October 1st, every year.
Or how about when grocery stores only sell Valentine's Day candy around Valentine's Day.
Or how Christmas decorations leave stores after December 31st. Not to mention the holiday deals that end after the holidays! So much FOMO! Down with Big Money! 🤣
Wow, looks like someone missed the point entirely of this thread.
Please either come back informed or don't bother posting.
No they got the point and made a post showing how ridiculous all this hate for BHVR sounds. All the examples they gave are the very same situation as the seasonal cosmetics leaving when their season ends.
I got the thread just fine; OP lost his mind over winter cosmetics being seasonal, as if it was something new or surprising.
So please take your high horse out and put it in the stables instead of riding it around the forums, because I'll post wherever I want.
Most players wouldn't even be able to see the cool and interesting moving parts you talked about, playing on the lowest graphics settings in order to not spawn too much grass and rubble:p
Hmm it's almost like inventory of physical goods is limited by store costs and space, but that doesn't apply whatsoever to video game DLC...
You completely missed the point. None of my examples were inventory based:
Hmm, it's almost like every business rotates stock and store away seasonal items after that season ends. WEIRD! 🤔
The inventory a store chooses to display is limited, if not by supply, then by the store's dimensions and limited shelf space. If wal mart had infinite shelf space, they would surely stock all kinds of seasonal decorations year round. Hence you can easily find Halloween costumes online at any time. So again, comparing physical constraints of brick and mortar stores to digital items is foolish.
No, it's not 'foolish' just because someone wants to screech that seasonal cosmetics are somehow predatory. Jesus.
But go off. It's clear some people just want to keep yelling about literal first-world problems that in no way affect their daily lives. No one is going to die or go bankrupt because holiday skins were limited to the damn holiday season. 🤦♂️
Even if all those seasonal stuff are removed from display, they are still available to buy through Internet. Look, it's January and you can buy a summer snowsuit. So your comparison is nonsense.
BHVR can't control every store. Your comparison is nonsense.
BHVR has decided to end the seasonal sales. It's not the end of the damn world, and it's not a scam or 'greedy' or 'scummy'. Stop with the mental acrobatics to justify being angry at a tiny problem no one sane cares about.
It's not the end of the world, but it is a scam and greedy and scummy. And a lot of people care about this tiny problem. Stop being comfy in your little bubble.
A physical store front only has so much space for inventory which is why they rotate seasonal inventory in their physical stores. Most stores now have an online option and being able to shop online we are no longer bound by only being able to buy products seasonally.
Walmart you can buy Halloween costumes year round: https://www.walmart.com/search?q=Halloween+costume
Spirit of Halloween that only has a physical store front for a month has an online shop where you can buy Halloween products from them year round: https://www.spirithalloween.com
You're absolutely right about it not being a big deal, and a "first world problem".
But by that logic, nothing about this game, including its existing at all, is important, so let's just shut the forum down.
And comparing BHVR's digital to a physical store is apples/oranges. They operate under completely different constraints and considerations.
Not just making these sales seasonal, but pulling in items that had for years been available year round (which is what I find most distasteful) is nothing but a pure FOMO move. Simple as. There is no shelf or floor space to clear, no inventory to manage. It's just a scummy business tactic designed to make people feel pressure to buy.
If you're fine with it, then you're fine with it. That's your prerogative, no one is saying you have to be outraged by it.
Just don't waste your time trying to dress it up like something else, or tell other people how they should feel.
We all remember how that went last time,, they literally had to disable comments 😂😂😂😂
That doesn't make it much better. FOMO is a scummy and greedy psycological tactic to pressure people into buying things as soon as possible. Remember, this isn't a F2P game. This is a game that cost 30€ (I believe). I would expect to be NOT exposed to such things if I already have to pay for a game. Not to mention the DLCs that cost money as well. I don't mind cosmetics or a battle pass and DLCs. this game has to finance itself somehow especially because of the licences. But come on. Are limited cosmetics really needed? And there is always the possibility that this game will offer cosmetics that might never return after a limited time.
Add in that a good portion of "winter" cosmetics are pretty generic and are worn year round. Not only do they not look like they fit a specific season but they can be mix & matched with other cosmetics. Mikaelas shorts from Cozy Break collection would be one that players use year round with different tops but devs have deemed it a "seasonal" cosmetic and now removed it from being available year round.
I just wanted to add my voice to the ones of other disappointed players. I am extremely disappointed, especially by the act of retroactively removing cosmetics from the store that were previously available for shards. The messaging comes across as dishonest - I am referring to the announcement that ALL non-licensed outfits would become available for shards after 4 weeks and then adding countless exemptions and loop-holes.
Maybe because only in the north hemisphere is winter now?
Seasonal things being seasonal isn't scummy at all. You're just looking for reasons to complain.
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Please read the entire thread
1) I completely agree - nobody should attack forum moderators or anyone else for that matter.
2) Personally I don't play any other games where this specific tactic is used so there's nothing to complain about. Also, this is the DbD forum, so I am not sure what other games have to do with it necessarily.
That said, I used to play a game that had purchasable cosmetics and limited-time cosmetics from the start but that company never promised players anything else and then went back on it or added exemptions and loop-holes so they didn't have to stand by what they said. If a company starts with scummy tactics, that's one thing - you can choose if you want to support that or not. But if a company is descending into scummy tactics later on, of course people who love their game are going to give feedback on it because it feels like a betrayal of their good faith.
3) People can choose what type of review they want to leave and what's important to them. I would say the first step is to voice your dissatisfaction on the forum or social media. If there's enough backlash they might reconsider as they do take community feedback on board from time to time. If they stick by this decision, then they know what they are doing and that a lot of people will be pissed off and they will have to deal with the consequences.
I think for a lot of people the issue is not the cosmetics themselves (although limited-time stuff is annoying in itself) but the tactic of preying on FOMO and dishonest messaging towards the community. So it's more a matter of principle and I do think that's something worth speaking up for.
There is literally no benefit for us players in seasonal cosmetics. If you don't mind that at all great, good for you. But some of us like to buy cosmetics with shards and don't want to wait for that cosmetic to be in season again.
Apart from that, there is no need for this. It's just an easy marketing tactic to get more money out of the players.
No one has been able to present an argument for making things seasonal because there is none outside of regular corporate greed. All they can do is cry out about they 'don't care' and it 'doesn't matter', though if that was actually true, they wouldn't be devoting time to defending it in that disingenous and toadying way.
Sounds like some paid actors, only no one is actually getting paid.
Speak loud with your words, but speak even louder with your wallets.
Mizu you won't get through sadly....these are the DbD forums and anyone who doesn't share in the "most popular opinion" will be made a outcast and that they are "wrong" in the way they are thinking.
You said your peace and be done with it because at the end of the day these forums are filled with keyboard warriors that will not see anyone else's opinions but their own.
Example of dishonest messaging: announcing on social media that all future original cosmetics will be available to buy with Iri Shards 4 weeks after their release. then, announcing on this forum only that the "seasonal" cosmetics are exempted from that rule.
(For some reason my post was deleted so I am trying again)
Regarding the dishonest messaging, I am referring to this tweet from September 2022:
https://twitter.com/DeadByBHVR/status/1569702463309074434Starting today, we’ll begin adding Shard prices to outfits previously only available with Auric Cells. This will be done in batches of a few characters at a time, starting with the original Survivors: Dwight, Claudette, Jake, and Meg. (2/4)
Going forward, new non-licensed outfits will release with their usual Auric Cell price, receiving an Iridescent Shard option 4 weeks following their debut. (3/4)
If you have Iridescent Shards burning a hole in your pocket, we hope you’ll find no shortage of outfits to spend them on! (4/4)
Yup that's all we can do I have been given back lash in the past on these forums for giving my opinion and got into arguments...now if I see I won't have a decent civil discussion I usually will stop responding to save the headache