Jesus Christ will you people calm the hell down for 5 minutes
look, I get it, New UI isn't great and is scattershot as hell, the new animations are stiff and if I can go one game without some sort of random hitbox tomfoolery whether it be killers with extendo-arms or weapons phasing through survivors I would buy a lottery ticket, but all I've seen on the forums is 2 groups of people angrily yelling at each other like they're planning to go to war.
Just.. take a deep breath and calm down, make a cup of coffee, put on some low-fi jazz, and argue with actual discussion instead on yelling like a group of drunken frat boys arguing over which girl is prettier
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this rage looks very pathetic imo
Changing how survivor movement works is changing 99% of the survivor’s gameplay. They changed 50% of the entire game (gameplay wise) in a way that most of the player base doesn’t enjoy. And lied about that.
If that is not messing up big I don’t know what that is.
Okay I respect your opinion but the game still sucks to me and I won’t just shut up about it.
yea they just need to do this "Return from whence thou cam'st. For that is thy place of belonging.
I agree that nobody should be personally attacking the Devs etc - that's completely unacceptable, but if people don't express their feedback, it'll never be heard.
People are frustrated because the Devs implement poorly executed changes and then when the community gives them feedback through surveys and the forums it's completely ignored. People are complaining because they care about the game - they're not just doing it for the sake of complaining.
What does UI have to do with solo survs needing a buff? Survs need information perks built into their kit and then nerfed accordingly. The only thing the UI needed imo was a totem counter. I also think survs should be able to see everyone's build in the lobby but that's probably a debate for another thread. My point is though that's another thing that has nothing to do with the UI.
it is absolutely not purely cosmetic. Survivors locomotion has changed in every way, even gameplay wise, but this comment would be thousands of lines if I were to explain how. There are already tons of detailed explanation on the forum about this.
The lying part is because they implemented the new animations in the PTB and received lots (I mean LOTS) of negative feedback about it, but then they said they had to test it on the console players (because there is no PTB on console) to decide what to do about it. Few hours after they released the patch, a community manager wrote instead that the patch is out and can’t be reverted, making us assume it wasn’t a test at all.
Those 5 minutes were up two years ago.
Because the angry one screaming might have been a thoughtful and logical customer, but they gave that customer a reason to change
If a twitter account with over 70k didn't publicly call Almo out, they wouldn't have said 'we've been working on a cor blind mode for months.' Yeah. The OP doesn't understand BHVR's modus operandi.
I've closed an aye for ui and animations but hitboxes are worst than ever now. I can't play survivor without getting dedicated, is not something "sometimes" but every fking hit
I was calm for more than 5 minutes. Now I will complain about this change..it's really bad.
I know right? These people need to chill
Methinks denying accessibility is a bit more extreme than an update that isnt favoured by a large amount of the community (which many people over exaggerate how bad it is, ui is weird sure, its not great, the animations take a lot of getting used to, I've already pulled off a few 360s and a couple moonwalks today, but they don't screw movement, just muscle memory! The only issues really are the hit boxes and bugs like the emblems and match scoring and new fat shame etc.)
that's fair, but there's a difference between being critical of a change and yelling and screaming about it.
It's hard to tell through text I understand that but making topics like the ones I've seen as of late sound like people just yelling and screaming over the smallest things.
No I couldn’t do a research right now I’ll try to sum up some of the core points:
There is more, but as you can see not only the gameplay has drastically changed at high levels of play, I also think that removing the memes is kind of killing the identity of the game itself.
edit; also please note that aside from modifying gameplay elements, the new animations are killing the immersion for many players. Which, in a game like DbD, is... not good.
While most of those are true, you can still 360, still a lot harder though
I can understand that changes take time, but it's BHVR's failure to even recognize that poor changes have been made that's frustrating the community. Ever since the UI changes were first publicized, the community has been very vocal as a whole about their negative opinions on it. PTB came along, we tested the changes, and pretty much everyone hated them after testing them. People put time into completing the surveys and posting constructive feedback on the forums for the Devs to take in and work on.
And here we are at the final release with: no response to our feedback from the Devs and a patch that's full of major bugs from the PTB that have still not been fixed.
Nobody expects them to be super-human, we all know they're amazing people irl, but it's the brick wall they're building between themselves and the rest of the community that's incredibly annoying - especially for players who have been here for a long time and have put thousands of hours into the game and its community.
On Pc, maybe. On consoles, you can’t.
I knew when the new hud was coming out people would've been up in arms, sadly thats the dbd community for you, but that doesn't mean thats everyone
Yeah you can
I did a couple last night successfully I might add. You're not trying hard enough
I never really could on console before lmao. At least not very well.
I estimate I've spent roughly around $250 CAD on this game and the dlcs, archives, etc. I'm sure many others have spent much, much more. The people continuously funding this game have a right to voice their thoughts imo. With that said I feel like at this point the only two ways to get the devs attention (aside from complaining here) is to stop purchasing their content and/or stop playing the game period since the PTB and surveys don't seem to mean anything. When the numbers decrease maybe they won't take their player base input for granted.
We need a verified Twitter user to comment on the new patch. THEN they might understand...Or at least react.
No I’m not trying at all I’m not going to play this game again lmao.
Ok
If it makes you feel good do it
Ok, you need to stop for a second and realize how much you're minimizing ppl's feelings with your dismissive rhetoric.
I didn't get this game and dlc for free- did you? Did any one else? No, we all opened our wallets and paid to play DbD; which means this, or any other game/dlc that we pay for, is NOT a "gift".
This is a business, they function to make money. And we feel upset that we paid for a product that doesn't deliver.
If you pay someone to do your taxes and they make a mistake, are you telling me you keep quiet? If you pay for a toaster on Amazon and they send you a defective one, do you just keep it?
A few ppl might be stepping over the line into hostile territory, but the majority of us are just speaking up because this is NOT the product we paid for. And maybe if enough of us speak up, we can finally talk to a manager 🤷♀️
I mean the anger is justified imo
regarding just the UI they put it into the ptb without asking for any feedback on it beforehand, from what i understand what goes into the ptb is basically guaranteed to go into the live build in some form.
That means when they decided to put the UI into the ptb they had no intentions of using the feedback to change it before it released into the live build, this is proven by the mountain of threads created pointing out all of it's flaws.
LOFL, had to give an upvote just for the title! Ironically, this turned into another forum of people strongly disagreeing with each other. Ideally, we wouldn't have to whine to get what we want from BHVR, but like some pointed out, it's what companies listen to.
truly i question why i thought this was a good idea, guess a little part of me still has hope that things will turn out better
Well I'm glad you did bro, these comments have me cracking up.
NO, THE DEVS MUST COWTOW TO OUR DESIRE OR WE QUIT, WE WONT TAKE THIS ANYMORE! WE AS A GROUP HAVE ALL AGREED THIS IS A DOX WORTHY BATTLE AT THIS POINT, YOUR TIME IS COMING DEVS!!
Don't ban me, I'm not serious.
I started to play another game after the PTB, because I knew it was going to get past the PTB
So dramatic and so demanding over a damn UI HUD. Ok Karen.
Sorry, but I didn't see any answers in your reply, just insults. If you could get those and the TPS reports on my desk, that'd be great 👍
Minimalistic, concise UI changed to obnoxious, spread everywhere UI. Didn't listen to community feedback. Survivors get hit from a mile away and killers can't go into a bus, gamebreaking. Lets look at the patch before that. Killer releases incomplete and bugged to hell. Fat shaming swamp maps. Gamebreaking. Perks released and don't work.
Get a grip. Only BHVR somehow doesn't get held accountable for such low quality patches. Stop letting them get away with this.
People need to stop acting ungrateful? Sorry but first of all; we PAY for this game. We PAY for our cosmetics and spend OUR time playing a game to keep BHVR and THEIR employees stable throughout a global pandemic. THEY released a "PUBLIC TEST SERVER" to request OUR FEEDBACK on a change NO ONE asked for and they didn't even ask us about. Then when they received an almost unanimous cry of NEGATIVE feedback; THEY blatantly said THEY didn't care and were putting it through anyway. THEY used console players as a scapegoat; claiming that "Console players needed to play it first hand".
So no.. We're not acting ungrateful. We're tired of having OUR time wasted. We're tired of being LIED to and we're tired of being treated like **** by the Developers.
HOW DARE PEOPLE share their opinion on a forum made to share opinion?!
HOW DARE THEM?!!
Please don't tell me that the whole UI team isn't able to move the UI elements down to the bottom like they used to be in 4 weeks.That's ridiculous
The thing is,the UI is just objectively bad.There is absolutely no point in denying that.A good UI is able to give me all the important information i need after a quick look,which is absolutely NOT the case with the current one.
I swear y’all be rude behavior so hard that anytime people criticize them you come to their defense. A lot of people had said they didn’t like in ptb but look how they don’t listen to our feedback yet again. Then we have people like you saying we are acting like children because the don’t listen to any of the criticisms. People like is why behavior won’t change because act like they can do no wrong
"The community as a whole" is definitely a fair assessment. Of course I'm not denying there will be some people who don't mind, but the vast majority are against this change. You only have to look at the polls for this. People aren't just saying it's bad because they don't like getting used to change - people are annoyed about it because it's an obectively poor design. The previous one was simple, elegant and concise from a graphic-design standpoint. Not scattered all over the screen, no over-complicated graphics - just a simple, clear UI that allowed you to access a lot of information at once very efficiently. There was absolutely no reason to change it.
In terms of major bugs that are still here from the PTB, I'm talking stuff like being able to walk through solid walls on the reworked maps (no collision), jerky transitions during movement and the irritating hook audio bug. I know DBD has always been buggy, but it's astonishing that such major problems don't get fixed, even after players mention them on the forums again and again. Even regardless of the PTB, there are bugs that have been in the game for months - even years now potentially and still haven't been fixed. Take the infamous Nurse bug for example.
I do a fair bit of programming myself (not game programming) and although I do realize how much of a pain debugging can be, it's clear that's it's not being done as well as it could be.
Finally, in terms of the brick wall thing, I don't really think your example is particularly fair. "Shirtless Myers" is just a meme, I don't think anyone is genuinely expecting the Devs to listen to their opinions on adding stuff like that. I'm more referring to the lack of acknowledgment BHVR give towards common concerns the community has. That's all the community really wants - to be listened to. So many players (especially those who have been playing the game for several years now) have been alienated.
Defending behavior. Don’t know why it put rude
Sorry, the new HUD is objectively bad. A HUD should give information easily. Either because you have EVERYTHING at the same place or that you have things a little bit spread out, but need to look at some things only during certain situations.
This does not apply to the new HUD. Everything is all over the place. This might work on a Switch in Handheld-Mode or in a mobile game, but not when playing on a PC. I only have a 24 inch-Monitor, but I already have problems with eyestrain. People who play on larger Monitors or let alone a TV will have even bigger problems.
Its fine if you like it. That does not mean that the HUD is good.
So we being dramatic because we are criticizing behavior for not listening to our feedback like the keep saying they do. If you like the changes good for you,most of the people didn’t and they still decide to put it out. People of tired wasting money on this game when it seems like no problems get addressed and they only thing they seem to care about it how much can they get from us. And we have every right to criticize the game because we paid money to play it. Hope people keep putting forums to show that we not just going forget about this like all the other situations
My inner skeptic tells me that ship long since sailed.
If the Twins Chapter release didn't serve as a firecracker under their asses, nothing will. And they've doubled down on everything they did wrong then.
Exactly. I always love the "they're not listening to 'our feedback' line". "Our feedback"!? 50% of the opinions on the forums I'm pretty indifferent to. The rest of the opinions; some I agree with, some I think are absolute dog feces. This isn't group think over here. We're not some team of players with fully agreed upon opinions.
My advice to those that are crying about the changes is to go play something else, temporarily or forever. I've been enjoying the patch.
Why do you think restaraunt waiters/waitresses ask you how your meal was when you finish eating it? It's because they want feedback, feedback that's enough to convince them that maybe they need to change something in their recipes.
Let's look at this "PTB".
The point of a PTB (as they claim) is to:
Everyone who participated on the PTB did every one of those things, the vocal majority of the community admitted that they hated the HUD change and they would much prefer the previous version of a HUD similar to the old one but add the survivor icons and the hook counts. The developers asked for feedback in their survey, almost everyone gave feedback saying the HUD was terrible, what's changed? Nothing, the HUD is the EXACT same as it was in the PTB and they ignored all the feedback regarding it.
You can sit there and preach that it's THEIR game, but as players, it's OUR feedback that matters, well it seemingly was until yesterday when the patch dropped.
From your point of view it may be a stretch. Meanwhile there are thousands of people who stopped playing the game and won’t come back unless this is reverted 😂 and there are 12 pages of comments under the community manager’s feedback post saying that the new animations are awful and kill immersion and atmosphere in the game. You can have your opinion and think differently, this won’t change the fact that the game health is now terribly worse than 2 days ago.
Man the game is horrendous right now. 10 people saying otherwise won’t help the others come back.
While there is a lot of silliness in this thread, it is impossible to argue with the fact that DBD had become fundamentally broken for a lot of players after the compulsory update to 4.5.0.
Personally, I don't mind the new UI, it took 2-3 matches to get used to. I don't mind the animation changes, even though the injured survivors do look silly,. While I like most of the map changes, the color pallete and the saturation on the Game appears incredibly high in comparison to how it used to look.
I do mind the critical emblem bug that appears to be causing a large-scale rank reset for a lot of players active the last 24 hours.
Additionally, it is inconceivable to me how any work on the fix for the already present significant hitbox issue, instead led to larger hitboxes as well as killers now fairly consistently being teleported to fronts of pallets after squeezing in an over-pallet hit and getting stunned (The timing of pallet stuns themselves is also buggy, with over-pallet hits having become far more common the last 3 or so months, but never before have I seen killers getting a free front of the pallet teleport after a hit-stun as well)