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Turning on voice does nothing to help the balance at all. It's a useless feature that does not belong in the game. It makes sense the moment you understand voice comms breaks the whole balance but yknownomorevideos said:Your statement makes no sense. As of right now most people are already playing in voice comms, adding actual ingame chat to the game would barely change anything except that matches without SWF would be more challenging than usual. If you don't like voice chat, turn it off in the options. It's that easy.
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Voice chat will not resolve anything as I stated in the OP. It would require an entire reworking of the games fundamental cores, which would essentially reworking everything from the ground up. It's not as simple as adding voice and giving the Killer some measley buffsOkapi said:Whatever they do against SWF they need do it fast. Personally I think they should just add voice chat in game. Most survivors already use it and it's not going anywhere. Their original artistic intentions for the game were destroyed when they added SWF in the first place. They need to admit that and finally balance their game.
It's been 2 years of killers dealing with a broken feature. 2 years of Billys and Nurses only. 2 years of gen rush. 2 years of mandatory ruin. Enough is enough.
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Spot on analysisknell said:weirdkid5 said:
The lack of information was a SELLING point for this game to me. That I was on my own, with my own wits to beat the Killer, with only the possibility of my fellows helping me, and an even greater chance they would be my downfall. This was RIVETING and is one of the best experiences gaming as to offer. It is the entire reason I fell in love with this game.
Same here. Which is why the performance of other solo survivors has never bugged me much, even if it meant a 4K for the killer. In many horror movies, aspect of fear usually is not just centered around the monster alone. It often revolves around the victims all having different temperaments and different motives. Some are cowards that would betray you at the most critical moment. Some are well-intentioned, but are clumsy and will drag you down at the most inopportune time. Some likes to play the hero without knowing what he/she is up against. Some are just unlucky and have missed connections and interpretations of the events. These imperfect personalities are all part of the horror genre. I mean, what real horror fan would want to watch a bunch of perfect people overcome a monster with ease without any sacrifices, right? It's horror because it feels like a miracle to have survived in the first place. And that is what this game is based on.
I've quoted these before, but I'll do it again since it's important.
The game is supposed to be "an asymmetrical multiplayer game where you can live in the world of these 70s and 80s horror movies. It’s anti-social multiplayer where survivors have to collaborate and cooperate up to a certain point. The old saying is that you don’t need to be fast than the killer, you just need to be faster than your friends." (McCote on 11/12/18) and "a game where we tried to have this horror atmosphere, this sense of isolation, there's no spoken dialogue in the game, it's very lonely and quiet, except for the pounding of drums when you are about to die. And that's all intentional. It really builds up the feeling of the game." (McLean on 10/26/18)
The only reason why they had the intention of adding SWF Mode from the beginning was because "2018 now. We are not going to tell people you can't talk to your friends while you play a videogame." (McLean on 10/26/18). It never had anything to do with the core idea behind the game, nor was it integral to its mechanics. It was actually the opposite (breaking the balance of the game), but they added it in because "all multiplayer games do it." It is like if the makers of Scrabble or Words With Friends legitimized anagram decoders because they can't tell people not to google or download a third party anagram decoding app. Sure, there is no way to stop it, but it also breaks the whole idea behind Scrabble, where you are expected to use the information that is already in your head, not some outside source.
And note that McLean had said "The Kill Your Friends Mode and Survive with Friends MODE were always intended." (McLean on 10/26/18) Notice that a swf MODE was never added. Instead, they forcefully jammed SWF into the core experience and ruined the balance of the gameplay. That is what bothers me the most. If people wants to play as overpowered 'Super Power Rangers with Telepathic Abilities' vs overpowered 'Super Mecha Godzilla on Steroids', that's fine. Just play it in another mode, and keep the core experience and the core feeling of the gameplay separate in the original mode.
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I never said for it to go away. Try to not put words in my mouth, dont pull that ######### here mate.Thaznar said:SWF is not going anywhere - accept it. It was always intended for the game as the devs confirmed it recently, but was not ready upon launch. My only problem when I play some killers is that killers are not given enough time to deal with how fast gens are being done. Good team will always put pressure on gens SWF or not.
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It's by no means the best solution, but I think it's the most reasonable at the moment. If anything, do a PTB for the Ranked SWF mode and if it goes well push it into a live build.ItsYourBoyGuzma said:I always thought your idea to separate swf and solo into their own gamemodes was a decent idea, but not the best.
I feel like once the community gets split into multiple game modes it'll take EVEN longer to find games... And that's without the Dev's adding a hardcore mode (which is no addons, perks, offerings, items) just bare bones vanilla DBD
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I think this would be a good idea. Either that or lock out certain overpicked perks after Rank 5
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The fact you can die and Rank up is stupid.
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This is how you handle someone you know to be a trouble child if you see they haven't been banned yet.KissyKissy said:Camp them. Face camp them and nod your head till they die!
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Wow man you must be better than ScottJund. Maybe you should stream.Arroz said:@weirdkid5 said:
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@Paddy4583 said: Arroz said:
Do you really think it's fair to look for lobbying for 20 minutes without the killer making a dodge? I just play with a [BAD WORD] p3 quentin with no objects and a proper name but apparently now the killers also do dodge for having p3 ;D Any reason to dodge this? Oh come on now who dodging any Quentins? This has to be meme. seriously though they dodge because of many reasons and because they are entitled to play who they wish. Why would they want to start a game they feel aren’t going to enjoy?
I really dont see the problem with killers picking there games based on their assumptions of potential enjoyment. Nah, killers look like they are scared from prestige players now... (The 60%), They dont like challenges. they just want to get 4k every game they dont care about fun.., They just want to play with a baby default dwight. I find this excuse to be laughable. If the Killer is the same rank as you, him dodging lobbies is no excuse for why he beat you.
If he beats you, he's still a better player regardless of who he dodged prior. You dont know if the Killer who does decide to face you dodged 10 lobbies beforehand. It's irrelevant anyway
But the problem is of I dont want to be 20 minutes finding lobby's... Killers are getting a lot of buffs and they still dodge.. Oh and most of the time I get matched with p3 claudette's
Because the game is still heavily skewed in Survivor favor. Maybe when the game actually gets balanced properly they can make dodging gone. It sucks, but you shouldn't blame anyone for not wanting to play a game they know won't be fun. Most Killers dodge either because of too many stupid items or Survivors being in a SWF squad together.
I suggest playing Killer yourself to understand why Killers dodge. (And before someone comes at me with a screenshot of them beating a 4-stack, I can cherry pick my Rank 1 games for bad teams too, that doesn't make SWF not an issue)
I play rank 1 without dodging about if a survivor bring a flashlight, toolboxes or medkits.. Just bring overwhelming presence or franklin's demise DAMN!, If i lose against a swf I just say gg and move and create another lobby
Always created a lobby and I'm going to do something because the waiting time to find survivors is very long .. If I get a very good swf what I do is learn from my mistakes to improve in the future and makes it possible to have my 4k .. but the important thing is to have fun that no one cares about it in this game, that is why the players play in swf to have fun because playing solo there is no fun .. maybe if the killer is friendly that happens a few times..
(Disclaimer, you're not better than Scott, who struggled to pip against a no perk 4 stack called the Depip squad. You can claim to do all these things, but until you show me some footage it's just hot air. If you lose a SWF match it's because the odds are heavily stacked for Survivors in an unfair manner. I know, it's ok to realize the game is unbalanced) -
LMAO my no perk matches at Rank 1 Solo where I have double the score of my team would beg to differ. You're a bad SurvivorArroz said:@JohnTed said:
The movement speed of killers is too fast. Survivors are no way to escape unless the killer is noob.Just equip a exhaustion perk, loop that's what only survivors can do.... Or hide but that's not gonna work against good killers (unless you have p3 claudette)
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Unless you claim to be a better killer than ScottJund, any time a Killer wins against a SWF 4 stack it's because they were terrible at the game and weren't properly genrushing.Arroz said:@weirdkid5 said:
This makes me feel like the 600 hours I put into Survivor are clearly wrong since apparently you can only escape if Killer is noob.Yknow what this means? This means the Killer is better than you fam
So if a swf destroyed a killer is because the killer sucks or the swf were to good
Please dont make me bring up the Depip Squad again and how Scott barely pipped against them when they used no perks. So are you a better Killer than him? -
Bruh dont even start when Survivors have DS and SC.Arroz said:@weirdkid5 said:
Whispers doesn't always help against really stealthy survivors, I can tell when a Killer is using it and change my strategy accordingly by remaining on the move. You guys shoulda played more MGS. You shouldn't be required to use a perk to fix ######### game design anyway.That's BHVR's philosophy honestly. If it's #########, just make a perk to "fix" the problem rather than actually fixing it.
Whisper + Stridor...
Also, this combo doesn't matter to me. I'll still lead the Killer around on a wild goose chase making him wish he never took Whispers. Play more MGS -
That's probably because you need to practice more.JohnTed said:@Paddy4583 said:
Are you one of those that never stops running and leaves scratch marks everywhere while running in straight lines...?I have watched some youtube videos to learn some skills but none of them were work.
Watching a video isn't suddenly going to put skill into your body. That's not how any of this works. -
Because the game is still heavily skewed in Survivor favor. Maybe when the game actually gets balanced properly they can make dodging gone. It sucks, but you shouldn't blame anyone for not wanting to play a game they know won't be fun. Most Killers dodge either because of too many stupid items or Survivors being in a SWF squad together.Arroz said:@weirdkid5 said:
Arroz said:@Paddy4583 said:
Arroz said:
Do you really think it's fair to look for lobbying for 20 minutes without the killer making a dodge? I just play with a [BAD WORD] p3 quentin with no objects and a proper name but apparently now the killers also do dodge for having p3 ;D Any reason to dodge this? Oh come on now who dodging any Quentins? This has to be meme. seriously though they dodge because of many reasons and because they are entitled to play who they wish. Why would they want to start a game they feel aren’t going to enjoy?
I really dont see the problem with killers picking there games based on their assumptions of potential enjoyment.
Nah, killers look like they are scared from prestige players now... (The 60%), They dont like challenges. they just want to get 4k every game they dont care about fun.., They just want to play with a baby default dwight.
I find this excuse to be laughable. If the Killer is the same rank as you, him dodging lobbies is no excuse for why he beat you.
If he beats you, he's still a better player regardless of who he dodged prior. You dont know if the Killer who does decide to face you dodged 10 lobbies beforehand. It's irrelevant anyway
But the problem is of I dont want to be 20 minutes finding lobby's... Killers are getting a lot of buffs and they still dodge.. Oh and most of the time I get matched with p3 claudette's
I suggest playing Killer yourself to understand why Killers dodge. (And before someone comes at me with a screenshot of them beating a 4-stack, I can cherry pick my Rank 1 games for bad teams too, that doesn't make SWF not an issue) -
Yeah if you last second swapped on me I'm alt-tabbing before the countdown finishes. Not gonna let anyone get away with that bullshitArroz said:@se05239 said:
Trust me, they're not dodging because of you. There's three other survivors in the lobby with you, remember?Okay, But when i need to sabotage some hooks for a ritual they dodge me because I have a toolbox.. U srsly?
And yes, with most people with I get matched are p3 claudette.. but that's not my fault... I just want to play and they dodge.. I think it's time to play on swf and change character at 6 seconds -
I find this excuse to be laughable. If the Killer is the same rank as you, him dodging lobbies is no excuse for why he beat you.Arroz said:@Paddy4583 said:
Arroz said:Do you really think it's fair to look for lobbying for 20 minutes without the killer making a dodge? I just play with a [BAD WORD] p3 quentin with no objects and a proper name but apparently now the killers also do dodge for having p3 ;D
Any reason to dodge this?
Oh come on now who dodging any Quentins? This has to be meme.
seriously though they dodge because of many reasons and because they are entitled to play who they wish.
Why would they want to start a game they feel aren’t going to enjoy?
I really dont see the problem with killers picking there games based on their assumptions of potential enjoyment.
Nah, killers look like they are scared from prestige players now... (The 60%), They dont like challenges. they just want to get 4k every game they dont care about fun.., They just want to play with a baby default dwight.
If he beats you, he's still a better player regardless of who he dodged prior. You dont know if the Killer who does decide to face you dodged 10 lobbies beforehand. It's irrelevant anyway -
I've been a Survivor main since the release of the game and Survivor is still braindead af. You just have less margin for error now, but that doesn't really matter when that margin is the size of the Grand Canyon.Poweas said:@Master said:
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No I don’t this game is going to out right “Die”
Especially not on PC.
But for Console however. I think unless there’s drastic changes. There’s not long left.
Ive wrote up a few questions and topics and have had some good conversations but have not got told any definitive answer from somebody important.
Not on Twitter, not here, not on the game streams.
But ive checked Twitter. Read a lot of players tweets about the waiting times on console. It’s [BAD WORD] shocking. The amount of people tweeting the DBD page BEGGING for the game to be fixed is terrible.
A lot of people are in the same place I am. Inches away from leaving the game for good.
The waiting times aren’t the only problem.
You cant find a survivor game without waiting 20 minutes. So you try killer. Play a game or 2 and outta nowhere your frame rates drop and it becomes unplayable.
The game is in the worst condition I’ve ever seen it in and I’ve played it since day one of console drop.
But hey at least we’ll have an event to watch PC players take part in on YouTube cause no chance it’ll work at all for console 🙄🙄Actually im surprised how long console killers endured under such circumstances.
Trust me, It's not too bad on console. I remember what it was like. It's playable, not as fun as PC since u can't use Nurse but still decent.
The amount of tools survivors have to make a killer suffer is astonishing.
I just played a freddy game, survivors used DS abused infinites, flashlights and all that crap. ANd you know what, in the end after I picked the last survivor up for my 4k, he exploits and makes my game crash. Im done playing killer again, I hope you all enjoy your queues.Man you're going to main survivor? Please tell me how you find it. I'd love to see if you still find it as braindead as it was back with the double exhaustion, pallet vacuum and those stuff.
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This makes me feel like the 600 hours I put into Survivor are clearly wrong since apparently you can only escape if Killer is noob.
Yknow what this means? This means the Killer is better than you fam -
Lmao it's possible the game bugged and went back to having the Survivor's pallet throw range mesh with the actual hitbox, extending to lengths it shouldn't be.
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What happens if they all 4 just run the same Survivor?
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Try reading the OP man. I want the game to be split into two modes, as this is something the devs also want to do.Master said:So you wanna remove SWF or keep an unbalanced game?
Making a team based SWF game consisting of 5 man teams, with a designated Killer for each team, is one of the best ways to go about this. Keep solo Survivor a separate queue. The balance issues of the game itself don't particularly always involve SWF, such as genrush. That is something 4 competent solos will pull off everytime.
The two issues, SWF and balance, need to be treated separately. -
For the people saying SWF was intended, that directly contradicts the video I posted and the store description of Steam itself. This is not a team based game, so whether SWF was inevitable for the game or not, it was shoehorned into the game quickly without first considering the balance ramifications.
Maybe it was always intended, maybe not. But this does not change that when it was implented, nothing was rebalanced and the game has been festering for it for 3 years.
The reason it was shoehorned is because Survivors kept lobby dodging to play with friends in a game that was balanced around SOLO players. So they basically caved and gave cheaters exactly what they wanted.
@Beverly the fact you said no Killer would purposefully face SWF is one of my main points. The fact you recognize this means SWF is busted and is exactly why it needs fixing. This "reason" is simply enabling the balance abusers to keep doing so, under guise they are just pLaYinG wItH fRiEndS -
The hell you talking about? The game holds the hand of Survivors far more lmao I just think you're blaming the game for your lack of escape ability. I legit have no issues in this game as a Survivor. Sounds like mad cause badLateral said:@weirdkid5 said:
@Lateral said:
Because limiting the time you can have fun in a game is not a fun mechanic.When your fun is at the expense of someone else's that's a no no homie
Game already has Far too much Killer hand-holding in it. Can barely even bring myself to log in these days as it is seldom an enjoyable experience. babying killers even more would only make the game even more miserable if that's even possible at this point.
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This is why the only reasonable solution is to split queues into Solo survivors and SWF. I'm sorry to say it but this is the best and easiest way to do this. Killers already dodge SWF as it is, so this will change absolutely nothing. In fact, I have an idea for a SWF based Ranked mode that would work wonders:Nickenzie said:Ah, I worried for a second that I had a ticked off forum user on my hands. Don't want one of those to be honest.
Back to the topic, what about Discord? You can't force players to stop using it for communication, sadly.
Two 5 man teams, 4 Survivors and one designated Killer go against another team of 5. Both Survivors squads go against the opposing Killer, and the team that gets the better overall Emblem quality is the winner.
Solo queue would remain standard play as it stands. The SWF queue wouldn't require you to always go in with a 4-stack, you could choose to play that mode solo too. Give the Killer slight buffs in that mode to compensate for team chatter and suddenly the issue is rectified. Killers that dont mind facing SWF can play this mode and be a designated Killer for any team that needs a Killer.
Despite why naysayers will tell you, this game's current population can absolutely hold two game modes. Even the devs say they want to, and other people do too. But the SWF babies always cry about the population possibly dying and the fact they'll have a harder time finding games because deep down they know SWF is broken despite excuses that they jUsT wanNA PlAy wITh FrIeNds.
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I edited my comment. I'm not mad at you, I'm mad at BHVR for their lack of care.Nickenzie said:
Calm down, my purpose for suggesting this change is to improve the game, not destroy it. Besides, BHVR already did this with Death Garden so what's the big deal besides the basic stuff.weirdkid5 said:
It literally will solve nothing. Zero. Nada. Zilch. It literally wont do Jack #########. I'm a solo survivor. I don't want game chat, please dont destroy the original vision of this game more than people already have.Nickenzie said:
@powerbatspowerbats said:@Nickenzie said:
You're assuming they can monitor all the voice chats and such since you're comparing a multi billion dollar company with vast resources and manpower to BHVR. That's like comparing Google to a 5 person startup and saying they can both do the same thing.
If people are toxic on voice they can't get banned unless you're recording each and every voice in each and every game. In Overwatch they go off of reports that say you flamed in chat or in game and it's automated and the only way to get unbanned is to submit a support ticket.
Blizzard has acknowledged they don't monitor voice chat nor will they ever, it's not worth their time or money to do that. So no it isn't as easy as you say because they can't monitor voice chat and false reports will just skyrocket.
That killer had you camped and the other person didn't save you, report them for being toxic in voice chat and waste the mods time. You didn't get the unhook for your WGLF stacks, report them for toxic voice chat and waste the mods time.
Someone looted that chest you wanted 1st, well report them for being toxic in voice and waste the mods time, you got hooked 1st well report for toxic voice chat and waste the mods time.
If you think it won't happen it already does with false reports or reports that may seem legitimate but might be false. BHVR isn't Blizzard or any of the other big behemoths so they don't have the time or resources to deal with a huge waste of said time and resources.
Since the big behemoths don't monitor voice chat at all and simply ban off of reports not actual offenses it'd waste even more of BHVR's time. Since people would simply disable voice immediately so they wouldn't risk a false ban that means your solution won't work.
Because if people aren't using it you're whole well buff killers because people are now using voice is false and even without the false bans you've got other issues. You're basing this off of people all using it, if even 10% of the population doesn't use it you've just buffed killers to op levels against those 10%.
Don't have a mic or one that works, well sucks to be you because someone decided you have to face killers buffed to voice levels. Oh sure you won't be able to take advantage of the communication but you can feel secure in the knowledge you've been screwed over for it.
You're a swf group but don't want to talk to strangers about gf's, rl, work family vacation well you can still use your own voice chat. But that solo player who's now forced to deal with the fallout is getting screwed over all because a bad idea got implemented instead of a better one.
If it doesn't work in the other games why do you think it'll suddenly work in this one with a smaller company and player base? I mean if it's such a great idea why don't Blizzard, Bethesda, EA etc all monitor in game voice chat?
Why did League with a player base of over 40 million active players or so only enable voice chat for premades and not fo randoms? Perhaps because they like others on here thought this through fully and researched it and realized it won't work.
Here lets ask @Peanits who can give you a view from BHVR's side why it won't work for all the reasons already listed.
So tell me what's better than voice communication to close the gap? Please tell me something that will completely close the gap.
Seriously, I get that voice communication has its flaws but it's a whole lot better than we currently have. And before: "Premades" Premades also clutter your screen and the developers have said that they don't want to crowd your HUD since it makes the experience better. We're running out of options here to completely close the gap and voice communication is the BEST option currently, not the perfect one.Edit: Thank you for having a civilized conversation with me! I don't get to do this often since a lot of people aren't will to.
The solution is to split queues or simply buff the [BAD WORD] out of the Killers. Please just make the Killers harder, THIS GAME IS 0 CHALLENGE TO ME EVEN AGAINST NURSE. 80% of survivors in this game are [BAD WORD] trash. I don't give a [BAD WORD] what people say about being bad for the population. This game can hold 2 different game modes. This ######### is getting real old.
Death Garden ######### failed so using that as an example isn't doing you any favors. Regardless, DG was built from the ground up to include team comms.
DBD WAS NOT. IT WAS ALWAYS AND STILL IS BALANCED AROUND SOLO RANDOM SURVIVORS.
Adding in voice chat will require COMPLETELY reworking the game. I'm not sure why this is a hard concept to grasp. The basic gameplay as it stands would crumble under team comms, BECAUSE IT ALREADY DOES. Adding it will solve nothing, and buffing the Killer will do nothing unless you make him mega OP like in Death Garden, which I'm all for.
Small little buffs to Killers will NEVER rectify the comms issue. It completely breaks the game, everything the game is centered around is the lack of knowledge of what is currently happening. If you add knowledge to everyone, you also need to completely rework the entire balance of the whole game. At which point, you will absolutely kill every reason I bought this game in the first place.
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It literally will solve nothing. Zero. Nada. Zilch. It literally wont do Jack #########. I'm a solo survivor. I don't want game chat, please dont destroy the original vision of this game more than people already have.Nickenzie said:
@powerbatspowerbats said:@Nickenzie said:
You're assuming they can monitor all the voice chats and such since you're comparing a multi billion dollar company with vast resources and manpower to BHVR. That's like comparing Google to a 5 person startup and saying they can both do the same thing.
If people are toxic on voice they can't get banned unless you're recording each and every voice in each and every game. In Overwatch they go off of reports that say you flamed in chat or in game and it's automated and the only way to get unbanned is to submit a support ticket.
Blizzard has acknowledged they don't monitor voice chat nor will they ever, it's not worth their time or money to do that. So no it isn't as easy as you say because they can't monitor voice chat and false reports will just skyrocket.
That killer had you camped and the other person didn't save you, report them for being toxic in voice chat and waste the mods time. You didn't get the unhook for your WGLF stacks, report them for toxic voice chat and waste the mods time.
Someone looted that chest you wanted 1st, well report them for being toxic in voice and waste the mods time, you got hooked 1st well report for toxic voice chat and waste the mods time.
If you think it won't happen it already does with false reports or reports that may seem legitimate but might be false. BHVR isn't Blizzard or any of the other big behemoths so they don't have the time or resources to deal with a huge waste of said time and resources.
Since the big behemoths don't monitor voice chat at all and simply ban off of reports not actual offenses it'd waste even more of BHVR's time. Since people would simply disable voice immediately so they wouldn't risk a false ban that means your solution won't work.
Because if people aren't using it you're whole well buff killers because people are now using voice is false and even without the false bans you've got other issues. You're basing this off of people all using it, if even 10% of the population doesn't use it you've just buffed killers to op levels against those 10%.
Don't have a mic or one that works, well sucks to be you because someone decided you have to face killers buffed to voice levels. Oh sure you won't be able to take advantage of the communication but you can feel secure in the knowledge you've been screwed over for it.
You're a swf group but don't want to talk to strangers about gf's, rl, work family vacation well you can still use your own voice chat. But that solo player who's now forced to deal with the fallout is getting screwed over all because a bad idea got implemented instead of a better one.
If it doesn't work in the other games why do you think it'll suddenly work in this one with a smaller company and player base? I mean if it's such a great idea why don't Blizzard, Bethesda, EA etc all monitor in game voice chat?
Why did League with a player base of over 40 million active players or so only enable voice chat for premades and not fo randoms? Perhaps because they like others on here thought this through fully and researched it and realized it won't work.
Here lets ask @Peanits who can give you a view from BHVR's side why it won't work for all the reasons already listed.
So tell me what's better than voice communication to close the gap? Please tell me something that will completely close the gap.
Seriously, I get that voice communication has its flaws but it's a whole lot better than we currently have. And before: "Premades" Premades also clutter your screen and the developers have said that they don't want to crowd your HUD since it makes the experience better. We're running out of options here to completely close the gap and voice communication is the BEST option currently, not the perfect one.Edit: Thank you for having a civilized conversation with me! I don't get to do this often since a lot of people aren't will to.
The solution is to split queues or simply buff the [BAD WORD] out of the Killers. Please just make the Killers harder, THIS GAME IS 0 CHALLENGE TO ME EVEN AGAINST NURSE. 80% of survivors in this game are [BAD WORD] trash. I don't give a [BAD WORD] what people say about being bad for the population. This game can hold 2 different game modes. This ######### is getting real old.
(I'm not mad at you btw, I'm just mad at this situation because the devs are LAZY. I know they read this #########, I've personally talked to them about this stuff before) -
The only buff Thana needs is to apply to DEAD Survivors as well. Makes no sense to me honestly. Thanatophobia is the fear of DEATH.
Pretty sure seeing your buddies die should instill the fear of God in you but whatever. Devs know best rite lmao -
Perks are irrelevant to me. I can go perkless and be just as successful. This game isn't difficult for Survivors. Everyone is just so stuck in their 1-dimensional gameplay style they can't fathom trying out new tactics.NekoGamerX said:@weirdkid5 said:
NekoGamerX said:@Warlock_2020 said:
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Again, camping sucks. It is absolutely foolish to camp the first hook and is mostly done out of a want to grief. Camping the hook while the gates are activated is the complete opposite. It secures that last kill and is almost foolish to not do. That is where the entire camping argument gets lost. One works, the other is just dumb.
Sure it sucks for the person being camped, but they don't matter. They should have did more to not be that person hooked. Pejoratives and rhetoric designed to make a killer feel guilty is pointless. No one cares. Feel free to do so in my game, i'll be sure and throw you a
and immediately close the game down to leave you to choke on your grief with no cathartic release.Horse crap response. It has nothing to do with doing more. Everyone gets downed sooner or later. It is impossible to avoid ultimately. The fact is, the developers put a form of gameplay in that is very toxic and very annoying to other players. It is what it is.
That, and several other issues, are why this game can't seem to grow its player base. Toxicity is built into the game.
yeah I mean no matter how good a survivor is he/she get downed at some point in the game.remember tho people say killers are weaker then survivors even tho they faster and have deadly add on.
but really I feel like this game was meant for only killers and pro swf which sucks but it is what it is.
The game was originally balanced around and is still balanced around solo Survivors. Speak for yourself, I can go an entire match without even being seen let alone getting hit. Sounds to me like you are unable to reliably escape your chases.
Hint, it's not cause the Killer is OP
sounds like you play this time much have really good perk setup or your lucky as all hell but whatever.I win some of my chases not all and sometime at start of the game killer is really close so I don't even have time to hide.tho matches suck.
When I do use perks, my loadout consists of Sprint Burst, Urban Evasion, Stake Out, and some random 4th perk I just feel like running, usually Resilience. Not even a top tier build. I don't use DS or SC as I feel I need to shower afterwards if I do -
The game was originally balanced around and is still balanced around solo Survivors. Speak for yourself, I can go an entire match without even being seen let alone getting hit. Sounds to me like you are unable to reliably escape your chases.NekoGamerX said:@Warlock_2020 said:
@Tucking_Friggered said:
@Warlock_2020 said:
Again, camping sucks. It is absolutely foolish to camp the first hook and is mostly done out of a want to grief. Camping the hook while the gates are activated is the complete opposite. It secures that last kill and is almost foolish to not do. That is where the entire camping argument gets lost. One works, the other is just dumb.
Sure it sucks for the person being camped, but they don't matter. They should have did more to not be that person hooked. Pejoratives and rhetoric designed to make a killer feel guilty is pointless. No one cares. Feel free to do so in my game, i'll be sure and throw you a
and immediately close the game down to leave you to choke on your grief with no cathartic release.Horse crap response. It has nothing to do with doing more. Everyone gets downed sooner or later. It is impossible to avoid ultimately. The fact is, the developers put a form of gameplay in that is very toxic and very annoying to other players. It is what it is.
That, and several other issues, are why this game can't seem to grow its player base. Toxicity is built into the game.
yeah I mean no matter how good a survivor is he/she get downed at some point in the game.remember tho people say killers are weaker then survivors even tho they faster and have deadly add on.
but really I feel like this game was meant for only killers and pro swf which sucks but it is what it is.
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Just because you are able to get hooked 3 times doesn't mean you are entitled to those 3 hooks.No_Cluie_Louis said:@micsan said:
@ThatOneGuy said:
why do u camp and then laugh at ppl when they get toxic towards you. That in itself is being more toxic than the ones messaging you because u instigated all of it. Something needs to be done about camping it’s a no skill cheap tactic for killers who don’t know how to actually win chases or kill anyonePlenty of counters to camping, the best one is to ignore the survivor being camped and do gens and escape.
I hate it when people say that. The game isn't meant to be played so you die on first hook, that's why there are 3 hooks before death. Sure, you COULD leave them and win, but it would be so boring as the other 3 survivors would have no challange and only be on gens, and the killer and the survivor hooked wouldnt be doing anything. It's the most boring strat, and you win by literally boring everyone to death
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Survivors are allowed to do as they please to the Killer and he just needs to git gud.DemonDaddy said:Not everybody is good enough to run a garbage loadout for survivor convenience. Dc is just sad though, least you can do is try regardless of which side you play.
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Getting to Rank 1 is easy because both sides have players that don't deserve their rank. You have SWF who stomp nooby Killers and carry each other, then you have the fail Squads that try to stomp, but end up getting slaughtered because they're ######### at the game.Kind_Lemon said:The issue are the lobby times... it is easier imo to become a good killer against mediocre survivors than it is to become a good survivor against mediocre killers, so you won’t have that many good survivors at rank 1.
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Uh yeah you do need to stay, cause he isn't breaking any rules, whereas you are by leaving and advocating for it.Faceless said:Oh yes, the problem is survivors. People make a câncer build and the problem is survivors dcing.
Oh, that's right. U need to stay in a lose game because a idiot make a full câncer build!!!! yes baby, it's very funny hahaha i'm laugh
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First and foremost, he has to fully stalk all 4 Survivors to do that addon combo. If you let him fully stalk all 4 of you, you absolutely deserve to get Tombstoned.
Mori with the tombstone is completely unnecessary but he wanted to just end you.
And sorry fam, but DC is supposed to be a bannable offense, meaning anytime you DC it is completely inexcusable. It's funny how Survivors ######### about these kinds of games yet I still manage to Survive them no problem.
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Except I'm a Survivor and wish this side was nerfed into the dirt
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I mean to make the Ranking System truly meaningful you'd have to make Survivors rank up solely for if they Survive or not, and Killers would only Rank up if they got 2+ kills. Remove the hatch at Rank 5+
That way, high rank matches become more interesting as you will be forced to be more helpful to your team, otherwise you have to work for your victory.
But this kind of meaningful ranking system would make all the people who don't match the age rating for the game quit. Which is a good thing anyway.
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I fail to see how buffing solo survivors will set a precedent for being able to being this so called "bare minimum" to Killers. The games fundamental does not account for communication. As I said before, to fix this communication problem, you need to rework the entire game from the ground up. This issue goes beyond simply little QOL changes and Killer buffs. Anything you could buff for the Killer should go into the game regardless and the Survivors deserve 0 buffs at all. And I mean that with every fiber of my being.powerbats said:Would people stop harping on in game voice chat it's not the golden fix you think it is nor will it ever be and people won't give up Discord to use in game not happening. You all keep magically thinking people are going to suddenly jump into in game voice and give up Discord.
What about people that play solo without mics, you're now going to buff killers up and absolutely smoke them because of your pipe dream that has absolutely no basis in reality. Then what happens if people decide not to use the in game voice or simply mute it due to the obvious reasons?
Well guess what now you've got killers buffed to that level but people aren't using it so again the solo players get wrecked because the illogical pipe dream idea became a nightmare. When I play solo I won't ever use in game voice and when i'm with friends we won't join randos voice or invite them to ours.
@weirdkid5 If you buff solo up to the level information wise of swf you can then more easily buff killers to that bare minimum level and close the gap more.
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No because buffing solo Survivors also means buffing the SWF players as well, only furthering the gap you are trying to close between Killer and Survivor. There's no way to fix communication in this game from simple buffs and QOL changes. It requires an entire reworking of how the entire game is playedNickenzie said:
@weirdkid5weirdkid5 said:This literally will do nothing because people will still use Discord and ignore the solo survivors like they already do. I'm not quite sure how people think that just because putting in voice chat will allow them to "balance for SWF."
I don't need voice comms as a solo survivor because I do just fine by myself regardless of my team. They're completely irrelevant to me, only when I need to get off a hook do I give a ######### about my team.
How exactly do you balance around giving people voice? Give the Killer an ability to make so people can't hear each other? Discord will overwrite that still.
All that needs to be done really is destroy DS, destroy SC, and nerf the gen rush and suddenly the game is in a much better place.
Discord and the in-game communication will be equal to each other in terms of benefits and disadvantages. Additionally, DBD communication system cannot be affected by killer perks since then Discord will be the better communication option. Therefore, there won't be a reason to use discord over the in-game communication system overall since they both offer the same thing.
Another point, since every survivor will have better communication, they can now buff killers accordingly without the fear of leaving solo Q survivors in the dust. Having a foundation of balance makes balancing the game way easier than before which can benefit both sides.
Survivor:
Aura reading perks will become weak due to communication so they will be buffed to compensate.
Detection perks will also be buffed since communication will nullify them all.
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@Vietfox said:
@weirdkid5 said:@Vietfox said:
@weirdkid5 said:
All that needs to be done really is destroy DS, destroy SC, and nerf the gen rush and suddenly the game will suit my poor skills. ^ Fixed it for you, thank me later.
Also, don't you know that not healing makes the genrush possible? I wish all survivors were running SC when i play as a killer.
I play Survivor mate. SC is uneeded and is a crutch
Sorry but SC should be nerfed because of pickrate alone, which is around 80%. If this were any other game this would be the case.
Has nothing to do with my skill, which is moot anyway cause I play Survivor. Take your ad hominem elsewhere.
Nerf SC and even more survivors will realize that they can genrush when they don't waste time on healing, it's happening already. As a survivor i'm all down for nerfing SC, but not as a killer.
Survivors will inherently play more cautiously if they are injured, and SWF teams will be distracted into healing each other anyway. Besides, the Depip Squad had a better record when they played with perks if I recall, so even if genrush is more likely to happen, so are Survivor deaths in general.
Coupled with Surveillance now being a top tier information perk, the genrush is slowly becoming a less worrisome problem.
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@Vietfox said:
@weirdkid5 said:All that needs to be done really is destroy DS, destroy SC, and nerf the gen rush and suddenly the game will suit my poor skills.
^ Fixed it for you, thank me later.
Also, don't you know that not healing makes the genrush possible? I wish all survivors were running SC when i play as a killer.
I play Survivor mate. SC is uneeded and is a crutch
Sorry but SC should be nerfed because of pickrate alone, which is around 80%. If this were any other game this would be the case.Has nothing to do with my skill, which is moot anyway cause I play Survivor. Take your ad hominem elsewhere.
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This literally will do nothing because people will still use Discord and ignore the solo survivors like they already do. I'm not quite sure how people think that just because putting in voice chat will allow them to "balance for SWF."
I don't need voice comms as a solo survivor because I do just fine by myself regardless of my team. They're completely irrelevant to me, only when I need to get off a hook do I give a ######### about my team.
How exactly do you balance around giving people voice? Give the Killer an ability to make so people can't hear each other? Discord will overwrite that still.
All that needs to be done really is destroy DS, destroy SC, and nerf the gen rush and suddenly the game is in a much better place.
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@Lateral said:
Because limiting the time you can have fun in a game is not a fun mechanic.When your fun is at the expense of someone else's that's a no no homie
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@ForeheadSurviors said:
weirdkid5 said:No she's not
Yes she is, she ignores everything survivors can use as defense.
Never had a problem with Nurse even at Rank 1.
You can't convince me she's OP. Only that you have no idea how to deal with her
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@ReneAensland said:
@PiiFree said:
Camping is not toxic.It's the Killer securing a kill. A kill is an objective.
It's not the nicest and most interesting playstyle one can do but then again camping in CS or PUBG is also not the nicest and most interesting thing to do, yet people are mature enough to find a way to deal with it instead of crying out loud.
It's only in DbD where people refuse to adapt and instead rather request Mommys help.
It's Toxic.
Pathetic.
Cheap.
Rotten.Stop defending camping.
Do you feel the same about looping?
If not, anything you say about camping is irrelevant
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No she's not
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God I'm already dealing with programming enough in college, can we not do it here too lmao
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Ban evasion is a bannable offense.
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Tell that to JunkratVietfox said:"Why does Trapper step into his traps?"
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I led a Billy around the whole map of the Swamp once trying to find the hatch, I knew he had Whispers but he was constantly on my trail. I somehow managed to get by him. I've also repaired 3 gens as the last Survivor before.TheBean said:@weirdkid5 said:
I'm that stealthy boi you hate trust me. You'll wish you never took Whispers against me cause I'll have you locked in the same place on the map for 2 minutes lolYeah but if you are the last survivor... Unless that hatch is close by to you... You're gonna have to do some good stealthy moves without the killer seeing you. It wouldn't matter to me how long it took, you can only maneuver the 32m circle so much and eventually either you get the hatch, or you get cornered.
I always enjoy that challenge though if I got whispers and stealthy claud is hiding in the swamp somewhere.
Hopefully one day we get to test those moves out
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It's a waste of my time to do this on Survivors. I'm never going to play any Survivor other than Meg. All Survivors are exactly the same and have nothing unique about them other than look.
Killer on the other hand is worthwhile so you can choose anything on any Killer. Just pick your favorite Survivor and grind it out on them. Only level every one else to 40 to get their teachable perks. Best way to do this in general is just use BBQ on Killer.