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@Tsulan said:
No, they are not the same.
Survivor completely failed in losing the killer.
If survivors gen rush and repair the gens in 3 minutes, then there's nothing the killer can do. He can't get 12 hooks in 3 minutes he can't even get 2 kills in 3 minutes.
Not a pressure problem. Also, only a few killers have high map presence. The others are simply to slow at moving.Ok just stop, the 3 minute game gen excuse is way overused and most games don't go that fast unless it's the killer 4 king because someone dc's early or crashes during load screen. The only times it's goes that fast survivors winning is if the killers just plain bad, the survivors are competent 4 man swf, the map rng or a combination.
I'd love to see the devs post an average of the game time to finally put an end to that excuse as an argument since we all know since the bnp nerf and other changes it's not valid anymore.
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@Tsulan said:
Ranking up should be harder and mean something. Award rewards, etc.
Oh i agree and neither side should be able to hit rank 1 after reset for at least 2 weeks since it should take you that long just to grind hard levels out. The emblem system should be reworked as well but a lot of the ideas just won't work.
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@Tsulan said:
I don't like rin. I prefer to actually see something.
To each his or her own it must be held true or 1 mans trash is another man's treasure.
for me it's Trapper my main I started out with, then I started on Pig, Myers, and now Rin who I love playing as and I just started playing Doctor. I've still got to play Hag and Freddy who I should like. I can just never like Billy, Bubba or Nurse at all. I don't play huntress enough to get good with her either.
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@Tsulan said:
Solo only sucks when someone disconnects or the others play like potatoes. Which still happens at rank 1. Most survivors don't know how to juke a killer or how to mindgame or stealth, even if they play p3 ninja claudette.
Well given all the boosted accounts at rank 1 playing like lvl 20 you're pretty close to the truth, that and some people still haven't adapted to the pallet changes.
Although I just had a game where the survivor mentioned they just came back to the game and the match I ran as killer was well enjoyed. Some of my survivor matches at rank 1 people are playing like brand new level 20's although some of that's the event.
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@Tsulan said:
powerbats said:@Tsulan said:
Lol DS has plenty of counters! proceeds to name exactly 1, that only reduces the stun time
Yeah, that's totally a counter. Like cleansing totems to completely avoid the spawning of NOED... oh wait, no it's not.
You can dribble, that's 2 as well as maneuver them to a better spot before downing them so that ds becomes useless.
You can dribble 15 meters. Unless you are close to a hook, DS has no real counter.
DS rewards bad players.
NOED punishes gen rushers.
Those are 2 different things, but most people seem to think they are the same.NOED also rewards bad killers as well as punishing gen rushers since if a killer is bad at applying pressure they can just sit back and do nothing till the end game if it's up. So in that sense they are both the same, they both can reward bad players.
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@Tsulan said:
I just answer "indeed"Is that like the tell me more one?
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@Tsulan said:
Slayer said:Everything always gets either buffed or nerfed . It keeps going on and on just because some people didnt like it cant play against it / with it.
Well if the stats show that no one is playing the new killer and the few people who do, get 0 kills, I'd say there are some buffs required.
Unless, of course, you prefer to only see the same killer on rank 1.
Survivors should honestly vote for killer buffs. It's in their own interest.
I like Rin's buffs as both a killer and survivor and they were well balanced, she does seem to need just that tiny oomph here and there but nothing major.
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@Tsulan said:
Lol DS has plenty of counters! proceeds to name exactly 1, that only reduces the stun time
Yeah, that's totally a counter. Like cleansing totems to completely avoid the spawning of NOED... oh wait, no it's not.
You can dribble, that's 2 as well as maneuver them to a better spot before downing them so that ds becomes useless.
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@Tsulan said:
Not my experience at all. I play only solo and the only time survivors lose, is when someone disconnects early.So survivors are still the greatest threat to themselves.
True to an extent and I forgot to add that while everyone is viable at rank 1, some are more viable than others and that not everyone can play all those well at rank 1. On survivor side I can't play David reliably or Bill at rank 1 and Nea I just can't either. I've yet to try playing Kate, Quentin,, Feng, or Ace who i just got yesterday.
I can't stand playing as Laurie for some reason and Jake just makes me want to run to the killer and say take me i'm yours. But on average most killers at rank 1 that know what they're doing can hold their own or better against solo queue.
Duo swf are actually pretty easy for the sneaky killers to deal with since 1 will always try and save the other, so they can just prioritize at that point. The dc does pretty much mean it's a gg unless the killer is a boob but most often it's a 4 minute game for teh killer or quicker.
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@Blueberry said:
By all means if you seriously believe that nonsense, post "one" video backing it up, anywhere. Let me see it. I think I do play them to their fullest potential as I have a massive amount of hours and years of rank 1 game play on them. However, if all you''re going to do is simply disagree with me on that then there's nothing I can possibly say here that would convince you otherwise, you simply just think you know better and I don't think you do. Getting to rank 1 with any killer is very different from consistently performing well with the killer at rank 1.
It's obviously pointless if you seriously refuse to believe all the video evidence out here since you'll do exactly what every other killer that's been confronted with video did. You'll say that's just 1 video of them dong it repeatedly, or 5 or 10 or they're just a streamer.
Tydetyme, Noob3, Panda, Tru etc all play those killers and do well on average, I could post a1k plus video's of streamers doing good yet you'd deny it.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHklDPNc9WZFUY0jaZNdcFQ - TrU3Ta1ent Countless videos.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7pdAc6VEvI5ePDy-sBe7-Q - TydeTyme Countless videos
Those are just 2 with tons of videos and I could post countless more but that won't change your mind at all, the evidence is there that all killers can be viable at rank 1 While some are more viable than others if people can do a perkless/addon less Freddy/Nurse then it means they get the most out of those killers.
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@Blueberry Perhaps the issue isn't the killers but your lack of skill in using them to their fullest and when you use the addon argument it means it's you. I see Trappers/Pigs/Myers/Rin's/Clowns/Hag's/Wraiths/Freddy's etc all doing well at rank 1 and playing to their fullest potential.
The ones I don't see playing well at rank 1 are those that automatically say the killer isn't viable at rank 1. When you point out the good ones it's the same old argument that's invalid. Well against a 4 man swf group. I mean talk about a logical fallacy there, that qualifies because then you come back with well you say even nurse isn't good.
We then point out streamers that wreck 4 man swf groups then the excuse is well the survivors were idiots, not that the killer played better. If it isn't one excuse with you killers it's another excuse for why the killer did well.
You just can't eve admit that people other than you know how to play certain killer well and get the most out of them and do it regularly. I could have every top tier streamer you all quote as gospel come in here and tell you the issue is you.
Yet because you refuse to admit you need to improve you'd just say well they're just a streamer etc. But if they agreed with you you'd say their word proved you right. There's people on here that's mained killers and done it on the 3 different systems and get rank 1 and can 4k with regularity.
They post proof yet it's well it's easy to hit rank 1 or the survivors are all bad, not that they can play perkless Freddy or perkless nurse and kick butt etc.
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The issue is you, you just need to improve and adapt to the changes that happen in every game out there. Once you do that you'll find the changes aren't ll that bad and if you think it's tough at 4 rank 1 is brutal.
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@thesuicidefox said:
I promise not to spank it more than once a week to Spirit booty.It was only a matter of time.
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@PatchNoir said:
@Dreamnomad said:
KYF with bloodpoints would just become a bloodpoint farm. SWF isn't nearly as unbalanced as whiny killers would have you believe.so 4 survivors with BT,DS,SB,Deliverance or unbreakable is fine?. You must play PC but in ps4 the game is lot different buddy. Otherwise BP farm is just take long time and you get bored, new players on the game will suffer ages to up his characthers playing against build up killer or SWF teams when he doesnt have the META perks.
I really wish you killer mains would stop with the nonsense, not everyone runs those perks in every match and every match isn't a 4 man swf group. If they removed swf the game would die since people play the game to have fun with their friends.
Its a simple fact that games where you can play together are more popular and it's also a fact that most swf groups aren't toxic. It's just the toxic ones are remembered the most even though they're the smallest common denominator.
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@MandyTalk said:
yes, this is a known bug not a cheat.Yes I've been vindicated, now my day is made. 😁
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@Amalia said:
You don't need to get 30 putrid serums for each role any more, the progress is shared.
But waiting 40 minutes for a game is just inexcusable anyway, you're telling me out of the 20k people playing the game right now I couldn't have gotten a single survivor for FORTY MINUTES.
not to mention that when I queue as a rank 20 survivor, I join a full lobby immediately after I press ready.Because as @se05239 just explained above you, the progress is shared so everyone went back over to killer side for low ranks. The high ranks killer lobbies pop really fast since that's where most newer payers are.
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@JackieEstacadoWhen said:
Stuff like this is why killers run noed and/or blood warden.Pfft please, killers run NOED so they can A punish gen rushers and B gts kills they probably didn't deserve because they didn't pressure well enough.
Blood Warden is for when you get NOED to end game and or are playing Billy etc and down someone then drop them on a nice tasty hook for free kills.
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@Khalednazari said:
I, Khalednazari, promise to be the ray.....OMG! Killer's approaching.
* hides in my natural habitat *
Now we just need someone with a Dwight avatar to do that, someone like @Jack11803
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@SmokePotion said:
Every single pallet was invisible to me, the killer, but visable to survivors. I just dced and said [BAD WORD] it.that might've just been a bug since you as the host can't get hacked like that, unlike say survivors speed hacking across the map.
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@ChesterTheMolester said:
powerbats said:Alright who declared peace on here? 😜
I Powerbats promise to be the ray of light for everyone to see on this forum. I'm gonna be a better example and will show others what it's like to be a beacon.
Actually I've been fairly tame for awhile now compared to some of my more acerbic and highly sarcastic commentary from earlier in my tenure here. But I guess when you get older you have to start acting somewhat respectably.
You don't turn from young and stupid to
old and wise in less than 6 months though.I'm over 50 and have been for several years now so I don't fit your description there.
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It's because they'll keep doing it for the simple reason they get paid to post scam links and are paid by the view and number of posts. So the more people that view the thread the more they'll keep doing it figuring they'll sucker someone eventually.
Once the devs change the forum report option to how League of Legends does it whee you can simply right click and report the thread. Once they do that the thread gets no views and once enough reports get put in against it the thread gets hidden for mods to look at.
The spam filter catches quite a bit but if they tighten it up enough to catch it all normal users will get flagged constantly.
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Alright who declared peace on here? 😜
I Powerbats promise to be the ray of light for everyone to see on this forum. I'm gonna be a better example and will show others what it's like to be a beacon.
Actually I've been fairly tame for awhile now compared to some of my more acerbic and highly sarcastic commentary from earlier in my tenure here. But I guess when you get older you have to start acting somewhat respectably.
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just an fyi the change didn't cause this, survivors were filling their vials and then going to killers and suiciding on the hook day 1.
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@Tsulan said:
Let's see other perks that give the same bonus on every level.
Self Care, Decisive Strike, Sprint Burst, Lithe, Adrenaline, Dead Hard.
No complains about them, huh?
Maybe we should nerf them all, so only level 3 gives the full bonus.Actually killers complain about those perks as you're well aware of on these very forums no less. I just had a Pig complain about Deliverance since I got it to work and not bug out and kobe'd with RBT ticking madly. Nod proc'd because i couldn't get to it in time since i was too busy healing and unhooking.
I kobe'd the hook and ran one way then skulled off another way and got to hatch and got told of course deliverance how broken. I wanted to tell them they could prevent it by hooking em just the same as we can prevent Noed by cleansing totems.
She was so focused on protecting her ruin totem for so long she never chased me to get a 2nd hit in.
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@SovererignKing said:
Every single damn game. I’m getting tired of NOED. I hate it as much as I hate DS on Survivors. I always cleanse 2-3 totems per match and one is always taken by Ruin. Though because there is JUST ONE I missed, everything goes to #########. NOED needs to have another restriction applied to it for its activation.The one I purpose is you need to have at least gotten 4 hooks in the match. This would just ensure that some Killer who is AWFUL and played so bad, he couldn’t even get that many hooks doesn’t just mop up with NOED. This would also ensure he doesn’t just camp and tunnel out one dude and still get NOED.
That's actually a good idea and you could tweak it so that if someone say dc's/crashes it take 1 less hook or 1 per survivor in the round.
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@douggie123 You can submit video evidence here, just follow the steps and submit and they'll take a look at it.
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@Khalednazari said:
SnakeSound222 said:Why does everyone seem to forget about the illusions? They have feelings too. Calm Spirit doesn’t stop them from appearing!
* urban evasions away into my natural habitat *
Now they just need to add caves and make it hide and seek lol.
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@Tsulan said:
Markness said:< Is here waiting patiently for PC release>
Same...
Could be only a matter of years...That's what they said about Duke Nukem Forever 🤦♂️
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Event hooks can't be sabo'd even after they've been used.
Not every group of survivors is toxic nor is every swf group and well know that' probably the most overused argument beside every group is 4 man swf with flashlights/ds/sb/ad/dh etc etc etc.
NOED does reward bad killers at times but it can be cleansed, the time it isn't is when you go totem hunting and your team doesn't and you get hooked. When you get groups that either don't know about it or don't care and thus the latter definitely needs to get wrecked by it.
The rest of the stuff is nonsense as well on both sides.
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@Chrona said:
Camping is NOT discouraged, specifically, camping a survivor without another one being nearby (attempting the rescue, etc), is punished very lightly in the ranking system. Don't worry about it, in short.But three best uses of insidious (two I've seen used, the other theoretical), is one, use it to camp a hex that they know exists, or specifically knows where it is. I've also seen a few youtubers use it to camp the basement, but AWAY from the basement. Like, where they are hidden, but can get a clear LoS in the basement entrance.
The most creative one I've seen is specific to the nurse. They were running insidious, NOED, and bitter murmur. They used bitter murmur to see which gate we were going for, went and checked it, and acted like they were leaving, but actually went inside the closed gate. Then, as we went into the gate, she hit us. Failed only because we broke all the totems during the match. But I'll admit, scared the ######### out of me, and would have gotten her at least one kill
Yeah that was an awesome match, I'm so glad I killed all the totems otherwise that match would've ended quite spectacularly.
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@Master said:
Yes rank 1 is a disaster, but thats because we need killer buffs
That's not the complete fix but it's a start and unless the other issues get fixed killers will 4k every game and dc's will happen pretty much non stop. along with all the other problems of people sandbagging teammates, suiciding on hooks, too easy to pip both sides etc.
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Sadly that's true and even with any shrouds being used you all still get grouped together, then throw in a Wraith/Billy/Spirit/Nurse someones getting found within 1st 10-15 seconds.
On the map reworks they also went overboard since a lot of the ground cover on say Swamp was removed in various sections. Where before you could stealth around now it's just wide open areas and even areas with cover it's been heavily reduced.
Now speaking of being found early Macmillan Estates 2 of us spawn near shack, 5 seconds later Nurse is there. Didn't help it was a 4 blink Nurse but the fact is it's way too obvious where people spawn at and when you get grouped it's way to easy to get found.
Before you needed a shroud to get grouped in 2 or 4 size now it auto does it so killers just need to run to opposite side.
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@yeet said:
don't get downed if you don't want to get camped, simpleYep the typical response, so you don't mind getting flashlighted non stop, looped endlessly and 4 man swf ds groups only got it.
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@SnakeSound222 said:
Why? Are they just being dicks because of the event? The only other thing that I can think of is that they are running the purple All-Seeing add-on and waiting for a Survivor to go for a save so they can surprise the Survivor and possibly get a second hook.So far only one has run the purple combo, the rest are a mixture of addons but mostly they're just being dicks more than likely. What's really sad is they're taking advantage of the event offerings but hooking people on non event hooks or the same hook over and over again.
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My point is that it's gotten worse after the pallet rework, some of the hardcore campers never really did it beforehand and were all good chasers. Now however with less pallets and less evade spots they've gone full on camp.
What makes it even funnier is during the event and after the fixes to maps i've only faced 3 or so camping Bubba's the other ones are all map gods at pressure. Again if you don't know the persons camping you try and save them for the points, especially if the Wraith has the no directional sound addon.
The other real issue is that there's so many people at ranks 1-2 that belong at like rank 15-20 and more than the normal bunch here and there. These are people that even with relaxed emblems couldn't have played like that and gotten that far without being either boosted or a bought account.
During events people get further than normal but this is just beyond belief and I might just start playing a camping wraith to get to rank 1 in 3 days or less if it's going to be like it is now. 😜
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@Cardgrey said:
Real question why save someone if there’s a good chance he’s camping there?Because you don't kn ow the persons camping them since Wraith or Insidious around a corner unless the person lets you know the killer is camping. EW I MYers is immune to all stealth detection perks as well and all the killer has to do is disappear and go around the corner behind objects/walls. Mostly Autohaven and Swamp tiles lately makes it easy.
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@Cardgrey said:
Umm don’t get caught... or don’t be dumb and save someone who’s being camped seems like a problem u are causing yourself.Yeah don't get caught when the killer stumbles on you and can outrun you, great idea and hey you don't know the killers camping until surprise he reveals himself.
It's this type of logic that makes most of the regulars here shake their heads in disbelief. Yeah it's totally my fault some killer that has no skill is camping/tunneling non stop someone. It would seem it's the no skill camper that's the issue not the person that happened to get caught 1st.
Want people not to get caught then prepare for endless looping/flashlights and guaranteed 4 man swf since solo is getting screwed because some killers can't get kills in solo q without camping.
Seems like this needs to be changed to Wraith now, Bubba is understandable but Wraith camping is as bad as a Billy or Nurse camping.
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Well after his update there was a flood of Wraiths but it died down some and distribution was across the board but still lots of them. But the camping during the event, mainly due to the pallet and looping spot changes has gotten really bad.
Because of the super fast cloaked movement speed and spam cloak/uncloak with no cooldown restrictions they can just sit behind an object just a few steps away and camp. They do need to ut a inhibitor on the cloak/uncloak spam similar to how a Nurse gets fatigue on her blinks.
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I absolutely love the Spirit, she's a blast to play with and the her mindgame potential is really good despite what some say. If done right you can mind game people into bad situations and her movement speed while phased is neat.
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@MrZapp said:
Only if she gets some really nice shoes as wellCinderella style because the reason she's downing people is she's looking for who took her slipper.
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@Doc_W__HOLLIDAY said:
@Nickenzie
@Orion
@Tsulan
@fcc2014
@lyric
@powerbatsLook after the good people of the forum while I'm..."vacationing".
I'll try and keep the rowdy children in line as well, but if all else fails I'll plead with the mods. 😁
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@Zanfer said:
so if the survivor stands under the hook is that fine instead of crouching?
Yeah I laughed at that as well since you can I don't know smack them and even if one wiggles off the other is fresh meat. There's also the fact that survivors get Altruism points for doing that as well as earn hits towards the achievement.
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@Swiftblade131 said:
More power to ya.
Keep the game unbalanced.
It's just another get outta jail free anyways.
Hatch isn't unbalanced, only how it can get into a standoff which is why they're trying to find a balanced way of dealing with it. You just want an easy kill which isn't happening.
How is is a get out of jail free card again, oh wait it's not since the survivor has to find it and actually make it out. Perhaps you should go back and read all the ways killers can stop the person from getting the hatch.
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@Wolf74 said:
@powerbats said:
The other funny thing is post ame they say ez, as if it actually takes skill to sit there and camp a hooked survivor.
But unhooking someone is worse 1500 bloodpoints even if no on is near?
Pretty high reward for a non skillfull action without a risk.Yet they lose that if the person gets hooked right away, they also lose them if more get hooked or that person gets killed. How about this we get no unhook points you get no hook points problem solved.
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It's funny you say that yet look at the se forums for all the complaint threads from killer mains about getting looped, gen rushed (hello what else are we supposed to do). They complain about getting pallet slammed, well duh that's what they're there for.
Then we get killer complaining about immersed survivors, well we're not trying to give you an easy kill when we stealth around. You killers on here whine about made up rules then turn around and do the exact same thing.
Also Kindle Fire unless you get the deluxe edition the auto spell sucks.
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@Swiftblade131 said:
Last survivor never deserves it.They always wait till their buddy dies on the hook.
Or they don't try to do gens or save people, which is why they are the last one.
Undeserving.
Yes you poor poor killers, you can't be bothered to actually go look for that last survivor, you can't be bothered to leave the person you've got camped close to the hatch. You can't be bothered o use your superior movement speed or abilities cough Billy, Nurse, Rin, Myers, Wraith and go look for that survivor.
You can't be bothered to go look for that survivor even when you're a Hag and have the area around it trapped. you can't be bothered to actually go hunting for that survivor that has no chance of doing gens when the moment they do they'll get found.
You're not entitled to a 4k and that's what the ops complaint boils down to, he even says it in an earlier post complaining about when the last time they got a 4k. If you're camping teh hook i'm not going in and giving you another free kill, if you're camping the hook and the hatch area i'm not giving you a free kill.
Instead of complaining that you can't get a free kill, go earn that kill and don't say you earned it so teh survivor should just give up. You earn that 4th kill by going and getting that survivor, not by camping the hatch. If they get out they earned it, if you get them before they do you earned. it.
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@KiraElijah said:
When you rank up most wraiths don’t camp
rank 1-3 says otherwise and a good portion of Wraiths either hard camp within 2 steps or so of the hook some with Insidious. Then complain post game chat about getting gen rushed after hard camping 1st hook and not a single gen has been done. The rest of the campers go about 10-15 steps away and camp and also complain about being gen rushed.
The other funny thing is post ame they say ez, as if it actually takes skill to sit there and camp a hooked survivor.
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@AyDoggie said:
Really? I haven't experienced toxicity as much on PC. On xbox, I experienced it with killers and survivors.
It's really prevalent on pc at high and low ranks, although at low ranks there's a core group of jerks on both sides.
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It has to be through exit gate most likely.