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@Raccoon said:
Rational people shouldn't be triggered by these things alone, especially in a "mature" game.On that we can agree.
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@Raccoon said:
@only1biggs said:
@Raccoon said:
@only1biggs said:
@Raccoon said:
I forgot that I was responsible for everyone else's fun, as well as my own.I also forgot that I was not responsible for the choices I make that put me in either a favorable or unfavorable situation as both Killer and Survivor.
Thank you for the reminder.
You know that you gain more pressure by not camping and going to hook someone else, right?
Yes - In the scenario being discussed, which you surely read, abandoning the hook while someone is being unhooked within your terror radius is clearly the way to go.
As per your December 5 profile post stating that you and your friend "know" everyone on this forum is "dogshit," this is pretty golden
I just responded to your title.
Impressive. Perhaps there is hope for the educational system yet.
So you can be passive aggressive with your insults and it's okay, but you cry when I am direct? Gotcha
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@Raccoon said:
@only1biggs said:
@Raccoon said:
I forgot that I was responsible for everyone else's fun, as well as my own.I also forgot that I was not responsible for the choices I make that put me in either a favorable or unfavorable situation as both Killer and Survivor.
Thank you for the reminder.
You know that you gain more pressure by not camping and going to hook someone else, right?
Yes - In the scenario being discussed, which you surely read, abandoning the hook while someone is being unhooked within your terror radius is clearly the way to go.
As per your December 5 profile post stating that you and your friend "know" everyone on this forum is "dogshit," this is pretty golden
I just responded to your title.
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@Raccoon said:
I forgot that I was responsible for everyone else's fun, as well as my own.I also forgot that I was not responsible for the choices I make that put me in either a favorable or unfavorable situation as both Killer and Survivor.
Thank you for the reminder.
You know that you gain more pressure by not camping and going to hook someone else, right?
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@Delfador said:
@only1biggs said:
@Raccoon said:
It's unfortunate that toxicity like this exists in the forums.
I edited my post
My point remains though. I'm not being toxic.
You think camping and tunneling isn't "toxic"?
It ruins peoples game.As much as I hate camping and tunnelling, I don't think they are toxic.
Ruining people's game is something that you purposely do it like tbagging, flashlight clicking or hitting survivors on the hook.
If we call camping and tunneling toxic, then the killers can call flashlight saves, DS, genrushing toxic too since it ruins the game at least for them.What? Teabagging doesn't affect your game play. Neither does being hit on hook.
Flashlights are part of the game that can be played around easily.
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Wolf, I don't complain. I call out baby killers like you that complain. Go get bodied again at rank 13 and pull your internet cord buddy LOL
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@Raccoon said:
It's unfortunate that toxicity like this exists in the forums.
I edited my post
My point remains though. I'm not being toxic.
You think camping and tunneling isn't "toxic"?
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I love how those that camp always give a justification for it. "This perk means I should camp harder", or "this mechanic means I should tunnel more".
Just because you can be an ######### it doesn't mean you should.
How about you all just be honest and say you camp and/or tunnel because you just want to.
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@DwightsLifeMatters said:
ScottJund said:@DwightsLifeMatters said:
ScottJund said:
@DwightsLifeMatters said: ScottJund said:
@DwightsLifeMatters said: ScottJund said:
@DwightsLifeMatters said: ScottJund said:
@DwightsLifeMatters said: ScottJund said:
@Orion said: @ScottJund said: @Orion said: @ScottJund said: Then you could make the same argument that "Ruin stops survivors from taking advantage of gen rushing." I don't even think Ruin is overpowered, I'm just showing your argument isn't very strong. Gen rushing is a symptom of a bigger problem (lack of objectives). Ruin is just a band-aid solution. Neither has anything to do with what I said. Gen rushing is the killer's lack of doing anything to threaten survivors who are completing their objective. The only issue is the first hook. As soon as there is a single hook, there are now other objectives for the survivors. Ruin helps with that first part. Go look up the depip squad's experiment. Gen rushing has little to do with what the Killer does. Their experiment is extremely outdated, from a time when killer was far weaker, and wasn't even relevant when it wasn't outdated. Absolutely no one plays like that.
Idk where ur playing DbD (NA I guess?) but EU players are absolutely tryhards, especially from germany, Spain and England. They really play like the depip squad I just watched tru3ta1ent for like two hours and not a single team he went against played like that. No they don't. Well, tbh 2 hrs doesn't represent everything.
It's much better to watch his youtube videos cuz he's uploading most likely those insane tryhard games. For example this
Or this These are just some of his latest, he has some much more insane matches but I don't have the time to search them.
What I'm trying to say: EU players verse these people much more than anyone else. At least that's my personal experience from playing on EU servers and watching non EU players live streams Did you really just cite evidence with hand-selected games that were sweaty and therefore actually worth watching? Really? No ######### he's not going to upload the 50 other boring games with megheads that just sprint into him and die - that's not even fun to watch.
But ur 2 hrs aren't handselected? riiiiiight.. What? How can you be more unbiased than just picking the last random two hours of his stream? ######### is this
What I'm trying to say: ur 2hrs doesn't represent anything. If ur really scottjund I'm really suprised how illogical u r You are trying to make the argument that a set of specifically picked games is more unbiased than a random sampling from his stream, and then call me illogical. Are you just trolling me at this point? "a set of specifically picked games is more unbiased than a random sampling from his stream"
When did I say that? I just simple said that ur point isn't valid, no matter what I tried to show before. The clips were just examples, ofc I'm not going to spend the rest of my day and link every single video just to show it to you lol
Then you must agree your point is just as invalid, which means there's absolutely no proof people play like that in EU.
That's why I said MY EXPERIENCE, I don't have the big ego not to admit that my point isn't 100% valid. As I said, its my own experience and observation that EU players are harder to verse
You presented your statement as a fact... "EU players are better blah blah", "your region is not as good blah blah". You are now back peddling so hard you've tripped, fallen from your uni cycle and the seat is stuck up your ass.
Scott gave an average two hours as an example. You gave two videos selected for youtube for entertainment purposes that shouldn't be boring. The average game, in EVERY region, is basically just MegHeads running around. Those who think otherwise are usually not great at the game (which is fine) and need to blame the game to cover their downfalls.
Someone here for example who face camps as Wraith, suggested a change in the game that all M1 killers have built in bloodlust 1, because he did some math concerning a scenario that NEVER happens in game.
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@Orion said:
@DarkWo1f997 said:
I think the killershould get a bloodpoints multiplier every time he hooks a different survivor, with the multiplier disappearing if the killer stays within 10 meters of the hook for 10 seconds, as well as if they hook the same survivor twice.Like a built in, aura free BBQ and chili meant to simply incentivize the killer to loosen up a little and focus on the bloodpoints instead of those trashy tryhards.
It's not bad to play to win. If you just want to farm BP without any real challenge, what's the point of playing?
But you just face camp, Orion. What's the point of playing if you just camp and how is that challenging yourself?
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@Meowzi said:
@only1biggs said:
@Zanfer said:
@only1biggs said:
@Zanfer said:
The user is right. No one is telling you how to see how the game works. Just explaining how optimal looping works and most people don't run unrelenting ever. It throws people off that is all.
I know how optimal looping works...from both sides. Using unrelenting is a wasted perk slot imo
like many other perks that could be equipped all opinions
Not really. Using Unrelenting in the way it was described here just wastes time. Moreover, using something else like Nurse's, Sloppy or Whispers is objectively more useful.
I don't understand why you're waging a one-man-war on the forums to defend your opinion like it was written in stone, but everyone has different skillsets and they compensate their flaws with their perks.
Is someone bad at not lunging too early? Unrelenting works out for them! Are you bad at finding or keeping track of survivors? Nurses Calling, Sloppy Butcher, BBQ n' Chili and even whispers are good options for you!
Do you spend most of your time chasing survivors? Enduring and Spirit fury are a great combo to waste survivors efforts with pallets and Decisive Strike.Do you see what I'm trying to tell you here? There are some straight up bad perks compared to others like Monstrous Shrine and Surveillance, but most mid tier perks are only considered poor choices because they're situational or doesn't fit people's preferred playstyle.
I joined the game a week before the Halloween Chapter got released, and it took me 50 hours of ingame time (according to Steam) to hit rank 1 as killer by playing only Trapper. What were my perks? Unrelenting, Insidious, Whispers and Brutal Strength. I never actually utilized Insidious because I always forgot I had it, effectively making me only have 3 perks.
Nowadays I mainly use Enduring, Brutal Strength, BBQ n' Chili and a fourth random perk of choice depending on the situation, because I like chasing people, hooking them, and then find someone else.
You also talked earlier about Tru3 not being a worthwhile source of knowledge. While he doesn't know evverything there is to know, he does still play all the killer (Really, all of them) on rotation, and also swapping his perks to a random set after having done a few killer rotations. This gives viewers and him alike the knowledge of those perks strengths and weaknesses on each killer, and because of that I use him as a lab rat of sorts to learn more about the game and it's possibilities.
You should try being more objective yourself, instead of just using the term to sound less cynical.
Thanks, and have fun.//Meowzi
Thanks for creating an account just for me
My opinions can be changed, I just have far too much time in the game to be told that Unrelenting is a worthwhile perk slot, especially if the killer can learn to not swing through pallets and just close the gap to get a hit. Using unrelenting in the scenario I am arguing against is just silly to me, as if you learn the correct timings, you don't need the perk, see?
I apologise if you think I was "waging a war" or hurting your feelings concerning Tru3. He's a meme for a reason now though.
Good for you with your Trapper games and perk choices though. Take care o/
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@Wolf74 said:
@skvirl Are you new to internet debates? For real, calling someone "coward" just because he refuse to talk to someone? Some people are stubborn and impervious to logic and reason, after the Xth time explaining the same things to them, you just talk "around them". You can't hinder them to participate in a debate you are in also, but you can refuse to interact with them directly without leaving their nonsensical statements unresponded.@Orion said:
@skvirl said:
@Wolf74 said:
@skvirl Are you new to internet debates? For real, calling someone "coward" just because he refuse to talk to someone? Some people are stubborn and impervious to logic and reason, after the Xth time explaining the same things to them, you just talk "around them". You can't hinder them to participate in a debate you are in also, but you can refuse to interact with them directly without leaving their nonsensical statements unresponded.He's completely free to not interact with someone. If you read my comment without putting words into my mouth or twisting it to fit your narrative, you'd see that I'm calling him a coward because he is talking about someone to other people, like this someone is not there. This is called rude, childish and cowardly behaviour. If @Orion disagrees with someone, he is free to do so. He is also free to ignore whoever he wants. What I find silly is that he feels the need to tell everyone how he's ignoring this person because he wants more people to join his cause. If he acted like an adult, he would just ignore and not try to gather more people to his "crusade" or whatever it is he's doing.. If I don't like someone, I will ACTUALLY ignore them, and not bring them up and call attention to how I'm ignoring them any chance I get. You know, like an adult.
The last part of your comment describes pretty accurately how you act on this forum. You can't be talked around either, you just turn to memes every chance you get. It's pretty obvious what you're doing, and I'm not really falling for the bait. Have fun.
Go find those examples of me talking about it, please. I have almost 5000 posts, so there should be a lot of them, if your complaints are to be believed. Go prove yourself right, show me the percentage.
@Orion you actually sicken me.
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@Zarathos said:
only1biggs said:@Zarathos said:
only1biggs said:
@Wolf74 said: @wouldntyouliketoknow said: @Wolf74 said: @The_Crusader said: Seriously. If the game isn't lagging unbearably then it's just a tunnel fest. Dont give me "its a legit strategy" approach. Its garbage and has completely ruined one side kf the game. They need to make some extreme changes to make this playable again. Its only worth it in SWF or playing killer now. Oh who would have guessed that? A survivor main is asking for killer to play stupid. Why should a killer NOT tunnel and turn a 4v1 into a 3v1 as soon as possible? Why do survivor always think that killer have to care about their "fun"? That's why the devs need to do something about it, you defending sh**ty behavior doesn't make it justifiable, and just because you can doesn't mean you should. That's just childish honestly. You can still have fun, be in control, get all survivors without resorting to cheap tactics, but also, if survivors stop having fun, who are you going to get to play against? _USE YOUR HEAD. _
And survivor showing "######### behavior" is fine?
Spoiling killers fun is ok? If they stop playing, who do you get to play against?
You are right in one point "the Devs need to do something".
Balance the frickin , instead of catering to the survivor. Survivors showing "#########" behaviour can be killed in game. If they set out to annoy you with their harmful, nasty crouches, or clicking a flashlight at you repeatedly, you can chase them, catch them and kill them. If they are just playing the game normally and are better than you at cutting loops properly, mind gaming and running tiles correctly, and you can't catch them quickly so you NEED to camp and tunnel, then you're doing it wrong and are just being spiteful and ruining people's games. Balance has nothing to do with the above. Of course it has nothing to do with the fact that every 4th game im getting people map offering coldwind farm because 4 survivours are gonna inevitably have one of those annoying map offerings. At the very least the game maps was improved to have more pallets and for some reason has rng where hooks will not spawn on one level for some reason. But getting into exactly why balance is an issue you can see through the cracks of jungle gyms on these maps so killers cannot mindgame these loops forced into a position to brute force a loop which is never optimum. As a result of this map design killer needs to force survivours into dead zones camping and patrolling. But clearly you dont understand your tiles otherwise you would see how unbalanced the core map design is. I learned this through my countless hundred hours of playing survivour. You need to play killer and survivor to a high level before getting involved with balance discussions. Tunneling is an excuse you couldnt lose the killer despite your peers having consistently proven that even the best killers can be shaken and you wont even needs perks to do it. We killers arent here to entertain we aim to kill its our goal our objective. I dont expect survivours to slow gen progression because the game was stupidly short. Dont you dare expect killers to play nice. If we know you make terrible saves we will exploit that weakness to take as many hands off gens.
I will adjust my gameplay depeneding on how survivours are playing if they struggle but if I see ruin explode at the start or 2 or 3 gens are left with every survivour still up i will do what it takes to remove a player.
Tunneling is an excuse for bad teamplay or a failure to shake the killer. Adjust your game play use iron will, run urban evasiondance with me. Spine chill, premonition don't assume a killer will play nice and don't expect your ally randos to play smart.
Getting map offerings is a pain, I agree. Especially Coldwind which still needs tarp thrown over the walls.
Sometimes you just gotta take the loss. It happens.
I understand all the tiles and how poorly some of the maps are designed, thank you. I have over 4k hours since Beta and now across all platforms. Compared to your...what was it? "Countless hundred" -.-
I play both killer and survivor at a high level (70% killer). If you're referring to rank, then, lol, but both survivor and killer at rank 1. Again with your unearned condescension.
You say, "we killers aren't here to entertain we aim to kill it's our goal our objective", like someone has a gun to your head. Its a game. Don't take it so seriously with this kind of talk and you'll be more open to rational discourse and not get titled by whatever it is you are titled by. "Oh no! My Ruin! Must tunnel and camp, there's no other way!!".
You can tunnel and camp as you wish, but it is and always will be scummy and a poor tactic. More pressure can be applied with hooking another survivor in the time it takes to stand still and watch them for two minutes.
I agree...randos will usually be stupid. I fear survivors more than killers, because most killers are trash, but guess what? They still get their kills. Usually by camping. Or tunneling. It's gross. They make mistake after mistake and expect different results so just resort to the ez camp/tunnel, instead of learning to chase better.
Camping works for the most part because survivors don't like to just sit on gens. They enjoy trying to help each other. They enjoy being chased. Camping is fundamentally a bad strategy and is more than likely not fun for anyone involved. If as a killer you think it's not boring to camp, you're just one of those people that are sh!t at parties maybe?
Dosent adress survivours inability to shake killers talk about rank not mattering without realising
A. I dont mention rank. In my earlier statement.
B. Rank matters early in the season not so much near the end. However rank is often undermined by weak players who run ds ranking up by virtue of being too much trouble to bother chasing.
C. I respond to your post with condescension as your post earlier screamed arrogance and egotism.
D. Your assuming killers are all built for the chase which is nonsense e.g. Bubba defense builds, myers stealth builds, huntress by design is punished for hunting due to her movement speed being lower and her lulaby being directional.
E. I will not take my loss because survivours throwed a map offering,ds, instas and mist. I will play to my victory conditions regardless of whether or not survivours are having fun if they brazenly try to screw me over. If that means baiting survivours into deadzones using their friend as bait.Believe me i want to chase to not camp but im sick of being screwed by poor map design and being told git gud take your loss stop trying to tilt the game in your favour while survivours brazenly take advantage of every mechanic available to them.
The most exciting survivour game i had was against a camping huntress who could cross map hatchet players and sticking close to hooked players. Juggling, gens, totems and hooked players from a high up location through expert evasion well timed saves and smart play we got to exit gates but ultimately lost due to misplays made near the end.
If we play the game by your standards we will never see thrilling games like this every game will be a by the numbers chase with the threat of the killer capitalisng off a bad save non existent thus distilling the tense experiance if dbd.
Im not against giving survivours a chance when behind, I'm against giving survivours sanctuaries and guarranted allowances that would otherwise distil the tense nature of DBD.
I also didn't mention rank, I was asking for clarification. I was asking about your "high level" comment, followed by a LOL at the idea of rank. Why am I always having to type things out again? Read again, understand the words, then reply to me. Or not. Also, I have had the same situations you dislike, of Coldwind/4xDS/Mists...and I win. WITHOUT camping.
Git gud o/
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This is turning into another @Wolf74 ######### show again. I'm out. Git gud instead of doing math each game.
Hell, show me a video of you playing killer, I'll give you advice and tips if you like. I think OhTofu does a series on his youtube now of how to be a better player. Try him maybe? Anything else. You seem unable to even play the game based on your "math". Jesus tap dancing Christ, it's pathetic. Just because other bad players agree, doesn't make it so. smhAlso..."survivor state of denial". AGAIN with this? I'M. A. FCKING. KILLER. You just happen to be a trash killer in denial. Stop projecting.
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@Wolf74 said:
@only1biggs said:
@FengMinLithe said:
If survivors stop looping and gen rushing then maybe they’ll stop camping and tunneling.Looping is the game. Killers need to know how to loop better than the survivor, not respect pallets, know how to mind game certain tiles etc etc.
Gen rushing is as stupid as saying kill rushing.
Camping and tunneling is a person problem not a game problem. It's much more effective (and fun for all) and you get more pressure in chasing another and doing damage.
I'm really not sure if you're memeing -.-
First off: "Looping is NOT the game". Looping was unintended. It got sanctioned by the Devs, because they did not dare change it. Technically it is by definition an exploit. Just "accepted" by the Devs.
For the 2nd thing, I just repost something old:
"Gen rush" is just a term that describes the mismatch in time it takes to chase and hook a survivor, compared to the gens that could be done in that time.
If it takes 3 gens to hook someone, the killer is forced to camp to get one kill and remove one player from the game. There are only 2 gens left and another chase while 3 survivor keep doing the objective is destined to fail. With most likely all escaping.
As a killer it is hard to keep pressure on the gens and trying to hook at the same time. Hooking is the only form of lasting damage to survivors.
Just chase them for a hit and than let them go to keep pressuring the gens is very unsatisfying, because that survivor will just heal up and keep going. But if you tunnel him to finish him you lose at least 2 gens.Gen rush is not just the time it takes to do a gen. Gen rush can not be fixed by increasing the time it takes to do a gen. It is about the chase (loops, windows, pallets, healing).
And of course it gets worse with proper survivor items and builds (BNP, purple toolbox, etc.).
Right, but, this is the game now. Get over it. Get better and you won't get gen rushed.
"3 GENS TO HOOK SOMEONE"!!?? Do you hear yourself? You and others here need to learn HOW to deal with loops, windows pallets and healing better. Or just come to the forum and cry some more.
If you're a good, hell, even a mediocre killer, you will win 80% of your games and do so convincingly.
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@FengMinLithe said:
If survivors stop looping and gen rushing then maybe they’ll stop camping and tunneling.Looping is the game. Killers need to know how to loop better than the survivor, not respect pallets, know how to mind game certain tiles etc etc.
Gen rushing is as stupid as saying kill rushing.
Camping and tunneling is a person problem not a game problem. It's much more effective (and fun for all) and you get more pressure in chasing another and doing damage.
I'm really not sure if you're memeing -.-
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@Rebel_Raven said:
only1biggs said:@The_Crusader said:
Justicar said:
It's your own fault. If you'd quit camping the gens then I wouldn't need to tunnel and camp you to keep you off them.
They talk about wanting rational discourse then give us posts like these....
I think this was a joke.
Question marks.
Pretty sure it is a joke and sort of a funny way to point out the absurdity of complaining about camping.
I read it as him/her mocking killers who camp LOL
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@The_Crusader said:
Justicar said:It's your own fault. If you'd quit camping the gens then I wouldn't need to tunnel and camp you to keep you off them.
They talk about wanting rational discourse then give us posts like these....
I think this was a joke.
Question marks.
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@The_Crusader said:
only1biggs said:@The_Crusader said:
I love how everyone who disagrees with the toxic killer clique here gets a "LOL" on all their posts.
Real mature.
Then you get Docwhatshisname using that as if it somehow supports his argument lmao
I have one very special someone here that "LOL's" all my posts no matter what. I hope he's dreamy.
I think the "killer mains" that do it also created a meme that they post sometimes...something along the lines of, "I disagree with a point and so must LOL", complete with an image and everything. It's like they don't know they are describing themselves. Adorable.
And he's LOL'd this one too.
Gotta hand it to him/her, that's dedication. Always so fast too, must have notifications everytime you make a post.
Hey! I thought my comment was at least chuckle worthy
:P
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@Zarathos said:
only1biggs said:@Wolf74 said:
@wouldntyouliketoknow said:
@Wolf74 said:
@The_Crusader said:
Seriously.
If the game isn't lagging unbearably then it's just a tunnel fest.
Dont give me "its a legit strategy" approach. Its garbage and has completely ruined one side kf the game.
They need to make some extreme changes to make this playable again. Its only worth it in SWF or playing killer now.
Oh who would have guessed that?
A survivor main is asking for killer to play stupid.
Why should a killer NOT tunnel and turn a 4v1 into a 3v1 as soon as possible?
Why do survivor always think that killer have to care about their "fun"?
That's why the devs need to do something about it, you defending sh**ty behavior doesn't make it justifiable, and just because you can doesn't mean you should. That's just childish honestly.
You can still have fun, be in control, get all survivors without resorting to cheap tactics, but also, if survivors stop having fun, who are you going to get to play against? _USE YOUR HEAD. _
And survivor showing "######### behavior" is fine?
Spoiling killers fun is ok?
If they stop playing, who do you get to play against?
You are right in one point "the Devs need to do something".
Balance the frickin , instead of catering to the survivor.
Survivors showing "#########" behaviour can be killed in game. If they set out to annoy you with their harmful, nasty crouches, or clicking a flashlight at you repeatedly, you can chase them, catch them and kill them.
If they are just playing the game normally and are better than you at cutting loops properly, mind gaming and running tiles correctly, and you can't catch them quickly so you NEED to camp and tunnel, then you're doing it wrong and are just being spiteful and ruining people's games.
Balance has nothing to do with the above.
Of course it has nothing to do with the fact that every 4th game im getting people map offering coldwind farm because 4 survivours are gonna inevitably have one of those annoying map offerings. At the very least the game maps was improved to have more pallets and for some reason has rng where hooks will not spawn on one level for some reason.
But getting into exactly why balance is an issue you can see through the cracks of jungle gyms on these maps so killers cannot mindgame these loops forced into a position to brute force a loop which is never optimum. As a result of this map design killer needs to force survivours into dead zones camping and patrolling. But clearly you dont understand your tiles otherwise you would see how unbalanced the core map design is.
I learned this through my countless hundred hours of playing survivour. You need to play killer and survivor to a high level before getting involved with balance discussions. Tunneling is an excuse you couldnt lose the killer despite your peers having consistently proven that even the best killers can be shaken and you wont even needs perks to do it.
We killers arent here to entertain we aim to kill its our goal our objective. I dont expect survivours to slow gen progression because the game was stupidly short. Dont you dare expect killers to play nice. If we know you make terrible saves we will exploit that weakness to take as many hands off gens.
I will adjust my gameplay depeneding on how survivours are playing if they struggle but if I see ruin explode at the start or 2 or 3 gens are left with every survivour still up i will do what it takes to remove a player.Tunneling is an excuse for bad teamplay or a failure to shake the killer. Adjust your game play use iron will, run urban evasiondance with me. Spine chill, premonition don't assume a killer will play nice and don't expect your ally randos to play smart.
Getting map offerings is a pain, I agree. Especially Coldwind which still needs tarp thrown over the walls.
Sometimes you just gotta take the loss. It happens.I understand all the tiles and how poorly some of the maps are designed, thank you. I have over 4k hours since Beta and now across all platforms. Compared to your...what was it? "Countless hundred" -.-
I play both killer and survivor at a high level (70% killer). If you're referring to rank, then, lol, but both survivor and killer at rank 1. Again with your unearned condescension.
You say, "we killers aren't here to entertain we aim to kill it's our goal our objective", like someone has a gun to your head. Its a game. Don't take it so seriously with this kind of talk and you'll be more open to rational discourse and not get titled by whatever it is you are titled by. "Oh no! My Ruin! Must tunnel and camp, there's no other way!!".
You can tunnel and camp as you wish, but it is and always will be scummy and a poor tactic. More pressure can be applied with hooking another survivor in the time it takes to stand still and watch them for two minutes.
I agree...randos will usually be stupid. I fear survivors more than killers, because most killers are trash, but guess what? They still get their kills. Usually by camping. Or tunneling. It's gross. They make mistake after mistake and expect different results so just resort to the ez camp/tunnel, instead of learning to chase better.
Camping works for the most part because survivors don't like to just sit on gens. They enjoy trying to help each other. They enjoy being chased. Camping is fundamentally a bad strategy and is more than likely not fun for anyone involved. If as a killer you think it's not boring to camp, you're just one of those people that are sh!t at parties maybe?
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@The_Crusader said:
I love how everyone who disagrees with the toxic killer clique here gets a "LOL" on all their posts.Real mature.
Then you get Docwhatshisname using that as if it somehow supports his argument lmao
I have one very special someone here that "LOL's" all my posts no matter what. I hope he's dreamy.
I think the "killer mains" that do it also created a meme that they post sometimes...something along the lines of, "I disagree with a point and so must LOL", complete with an image and everything. It's like they don't know they are describing themselves. Adorable.
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@Malakir said:
Someone could say its fair because its not competitive but even there it would be wrong. Since its a PvP game with 2 sides fighting each other asymmetrical or not, that's competitive. I can play cards with friends, its competitive even if we are playing friendly and this concept exist in every game. A plus is the introduction of the rank system, flawed in many way but would take age to explain what but shows even more than is competitive by nature and the ridiculous tournaments they have.This is like saying "rock, paper, scissors" is a "competitive" game. Moreover, you just told all people having issues here the answer...stop taking this game so seriously, just like you and your friends would if you played cards.
Rank means nothing except to those who keep bringing it up, like yourself, to support that it's "competitive" when it's not.
DbD - Competitive game. Pick one.
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@Wolf74 said:
@wouldntyouliketoknow said:
@Wolf74 said:
@The_Crusader said:
Seriously.If the game isn't lagging unbearably then it's just a tunnel fest.
Dont give me "its a legit strategy" approach. Its garbage and has completely ruined one side kf the game.
They need to make some extreme changes to make this playable again. Its only worth it in SWF or playing killer now.
Oh who would have guessed that?
A survivor main is asking for killer to play stupid.
Why should a killer NOT tunnel and turn a 4v1 into a 3v1 as soon as possible?
Why do survivor always think that killer have to care about their "fun"?That's why the devs need to do something about it, you defending sh**ty behavior doesn't make it justifiable, and just because you can doesn't mean you should. That's just childish honestly.
You can still have fun, be in control, get all survivors without resorting to cheap tactics, but also, if survivors stop having fun, who are you going to get to play against? _USE YOUR HEAD. _
And survivor showing "######### behavior" is fine?
Spoiling killers fun is ok?
If they stop playing, who do you get to play against?You are right in one point "the Devs need to do something".
Balance the frickin , instead of catering to the survivor.Survivors showing "#########" behaviour can be killed in game. If they set out to annoy you with their harmful, nasty crouches, or clicking a flashlight at you repeatedly, you can chase them, catch them and kill them.
If they are just playing the game normally and are better than you at cutting loops properly, mind gaming and running tiles correctly, and you can't catch them quickly so you NEED to camp and tunnel, then you're doing it wrong and are just being spiteful and ruining people's games.
Balance has nothing to do with the above.
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@thesuicidefox said:
@only1biggs said:
@thesuicidefox said:
@only1biggs said:
@The_Crusader I understand what you mean, but to argue with "people" like Orion, Wolf, Master et al is kinda silly considering they are closed minded and intellectually dishonest.Ooooooooh snap. Them's fightin' words. Careful they might camp you.
It's nice to give a genuine "LOL" on this forum
It's just everything you said about them is so true. They put so many words in your mouth you might as well just give them your login and let them post for you.
They have a narrative to support instead of getting better!
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@thesuicidefox said:
@only1biggs said:
@The_Crusader I understand what you mean, but to argue with "people" like Orion, Wolf, Master et al is kinda silly considering they are closed minded and intellectually dishonest.Ooooooooh snap. Them's fightin' words. Careful they might camp you.
It's nice to give a genuine "LOL" on this forum
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@The_Crusader I understand what you mean, but to argue with people like Orion, Wolf, Master et al is kinda silly considering they are closed minded and intellectually dishonest.
Master came here once complaining that he was looped for 5 gens while stacking the old Bloodlust 3 speeds.
Orion will face camp his first catch with 4 gens left with Wraith, sat in the corner of the basement and come here to ask that all M1 killers be given built in Bloodlust tier 1.
Wolf will just defend camping and tunneling despite the fact that more pressure is gained by catching, hooking and finding more people.
DocOctober is just very sensitive and will come here to rant, then get called out for his nonsense and given ways to counter things and will then throw a tantrum.
What's even worse is they will all band together (as you have noted in this thread) and then more will join because mob mentality. They will listen to sub par or average killers...but not BETTER killers that play fairly, make less mistakes and don't complain about everything, because, well, it's easier to do that than get better I guess?
Good luck o/
Oh, @Malakir The videos you posted showed that you are terrible as survivor in a chase (not looking behind much if at all and throwing pallets down like they are nothing important) and that the killers in those games were not good either. That's all
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@Zanfer said:
@only1biggs said:
@Zanfer said:
The user is right. No one is telling you how to see how the game works. Just explaining how optimal looping works and most people don't run unrelenting ever. It throws people off that is all.
I know how optimal looping works...from both sides. Using unrelenting is a wasted perk slot imo
like many other perks that could be equipped all opinions
Not really. Using Unrelenting in the way it was described here just wastes time. Moreover, using something else like Nurse's, Sloppy or Whispers is objectively more useful.
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I have it on PC and will be buying them on both consoles too
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@Zanfer said:
The user is right. No one is telling you how to see how the game works. Just explaining how optimal looping works and most people don't run unrelenting ever. It throws people off that is all.
I know how optimal looping works...from both sides. Using unrelenting is a wasted perk slot imo
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@DarkDivine said:
only1biggs said:@DarkDivine said:
He uses it because Survivors who are expecting Killers to swing through the Pallets, (expecting Spirit Fury And Enduring combo) or just expecting the Killer to swing through it will continue to run for another Loop.
With Unrelenting if you swing through the Pallet, and the Survivor didn’t drop it, you will recover faster from the wiff. Meaning the Survivor will gain less distance than they anticipated they would from your wiff. Which, if the Loop is long enough around, you’ll catch back up to them before they can make it around to the Pallet again.
Its a mind game on good Survivors who are really good at juding distance, they know the minimum/maximum distances of lunges and maximum loops effectively. However, with unrelenting it throws off their judgement of distance gained from a wiff and caused mistakes from greedy loops.
Then he's wasting a perk slot, because all you have to do is just NOT swing through the pallet and you save the time swinging and missing 4head.
It's not a mind game...at all. It's just bad play on the part of the killer.
Oh and I would learn absolutely nothing from watching his stream. I consider him to be sub par at best and someone that can be bullied with ease. You enjoy yourself though :')
Right... You’re not getting it, are you?
An optimal Survivor who is Looping will always maximum loops. They will know if you can get the lunge hit or not. Go for the lunge hit and wiff, if they don’t drop the Pallet you will be able to catch up to them. They will attempt to go for another Loop because they THINK that they can, with your lunge recovery taking enough time for them to get proper distance. Though with Unrelenting, they can not because you recover too quickly.
This also has another effect of forcing early Pallet drops if they are aware. As they know they can
not make another Loop. Which leads into also using Enduring and Spirit Fury to burn through Pallets quickly, or instant break and instant recover for a hit.You’re “just don’t swing” simply means they won’t attempt try to optimize, going for another Loop. There is no mind game, a static constant that is easy to judge in distance by good Survivors.
Perhaps you’re not used to good Killers and good Survivors. Those who are able to manipulate subtle things such as this to cause a much larger impact.
Though to each their own. If you want to continue to be the Survivors play toy, be my guest. Though something tells me you’re not much of a Killer player...
LOL
It is you who is, "not getting it" :'D
Also...3 posts and banned. Shocking
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@Condorloco_26 said:
@only1biggs said:
Oh so much more! They were even trying that "juke" where you wait at a pallet and walk through it after the killer breaks it and then double back. Nope.
Give them credit for watching the YT tutorials
Gotta try those sick spins for montages :'D
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@Condorloco_26 said:
Funny stuff indeed. A no-skill noob outplaying the 360, which I guess they were trying over and over, and then some more. I remember once when I was flamed for chainsawing all 12 hooks with Billy at R1. Such a no-skill noob for relying on the killer's power in order to, you know, kill.Oh so much more! They were even trying that "juke" where you wait at a pallet and walk through it after the killer breaks it and then double back. Nope.
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@Nickenzie said:
only1biggs said:@Nickenzie said:
Hey, a new mod can get you for the messages because there's "Insults" in them. I'm just giving you a heads up before you get shot by a mod.
Uh, okay? I'm pretty sure the mods can see what this thread is and isn't insulting anyone. No naming and shaming either. If they tell me differently I don't mind
I'm just warning you because a mod did that to me and I don't want it happening to anyone else. I'm not gonna derail this thread so that's all I'm gonna say.
kk no worries
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@Iceman said:
I have experience the same thing when I play killer. I just have it where only friends can message me because it was annoying. However at times it could be entertaining lol.I love it, so funny.
The problem I have is that THIS is the stuff DbD players get reported for on console. The devs need to take control of the reports of this game. The Xbox rep system especially is absolutely insane. I play this game and my rep takes a dive no matter what...I play fair and try to make sure people have fun etc.
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@Nickenzie said:
Hey, a new mod can get you for the messages because there's "Insults" in them. I'm just giving you a heads up before you get shot by a mod.Uh, okay? I'm pretty sure the mods can see what this thread is and isn't insulting anyone. No naming and shaming either. If they tell me differently I don't mind
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@alivebydeadight said:
damn the skill with these kiddies hurts, standing back to avoid getting 360 is a fuacking tactic, gg ez, also losing to a no add-on, no perk hag, that is sad, what rank is thisRank 1 btw
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@DarkDivine said:
He uses it because Survivors who are expecting Killers to swing through the Pallets, (expecting Spirit Fury And Enduring combo) or just expecting the Killer to swing through it will continue to run for another Loop.With Unrelenting if you swing through the Pallet, and the Survivor didn’t drop it, you will recover faster from the wiff. Meaning the Survivor will gain less distance than they anticipated they would from your wiff. Which, if the Loop is long enough around, you’ll catch back up to them before they can make it around to the Pallet again.
Its a mind game on good Survivors who are really good at juding distance, they know the minimum/maximum distances of lunges and maximum loops effectively. However, with unrelenting it throws off their judgement of distance gained from a wiff and caused mistakes from greedy loops.
Then he's wasting a perk slot, because all you have to do is just NOT swing through the pallet and you save the time swinging and missing 4head.
It's not a mind game...at all. It's just bad play on the part of the killer.
Oh and I would learn absolutely nothing from watching his stream. I consider him to be sub par at best and someone that can be bullied with ease. You enjoy yourself though :')
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@thesuicidefox said:
TBH, if you don't want your kid to be yelled at in an online game don't let them play online. There is a reason the disclaimer "online experience may change ESRB rating" exists.A four year old shouldn't be playing this game, that's for sure
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Probably because he gets spun and doesn't know to just hold his attack and wait for DH (actual counter play instead of using a perk like Bamboozle). I remember a time he thought someone had dead hard even though the survivor didn't have it equipped lul
No, you're not missing anything. Unless on console as it's easier to whiff with low, unstable frame rate.
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@douggie123 said:
I love playing him but as I am walking over to survivors they see my outline and they're gone and sprint burst, balanced landing users and lithe users are the worst for it.Try approaching gens from better angles so they don't see you coming straight for them. If you use Whispers and it lights up while patrolling and a gen is in front of you, adjust your approach accordingly.
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@Wolf74 said:
@only1biggs said:
@Wolf74 said:
@FujinRaijin said:
@Wolf74 still waiting to hear why you think instasaw is fair btwYou really try to bash on me with that question forever?
Already answered. You just didn't liked it and ignored it.You didn't answer at all. You just kept ignoring it because you don't have a leg to stand on.
By now it is beyond fun. Stop lying.
I'm not lying. If I missed it, please quote yourself.
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@PiiFree said:
@only1biggs said:
@Watery said:
Exactly. Who even cares about Billy insta-saw? So what if it’s hard to play against? It doesn’t matter. If you can learn what the process of pallet looping is, maaaaybe, you’ll survive. Whoever made this post needs to get off their high horse, and grab a box of tissues.Many people care about instasaw. The person who started this thread for instance. The people who have agreed.
But sure, who cares right? Imagine that same mentality for anything in the game -.-
What exactly are you talking about when you say "instasaw". Are you talking about the basic chainsaw hit that instantly downs you or are you talking about the fast-charged saw that people like to refer to as "instasaw" - which btw requires 2 add-ons?
His basic chainsaw can be avoided quite easily at the cost of an M1 hit - which is still ALWAYS better than getting instantly chainsawed. I quite often chase survivors that vault a window or drop a pallet and then mindlessly run out in the open where they have no way to juke the chainsaw. No windows, no pallets, no nothing.
Smart survivors would just try to bait an M1 hit to get the speed boost that allows them to reach the next pallet or window. Unfortunately, even in Rank 1 I only rarely see survivors that think this far (I'm saying that as Billy main, Survivors do make it way too easy for me sometimes)
I think you know exactly what "instasaw" means, if you consider yourself a billy main. Yeah, the two add ons that when combined are insane (thompsons/carb tuning guide). Instasaw. I main billy and don't use many addons, but I wouldn't use instasaw unless I saw 4 toolboxes and even then I'd feel dirty about doing it.
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@friendlykillermain said:
because survivors go around masquerading as a proper killer main like yours trulyWhat about killers masquerading as survivors?
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@Watery said:
Exactly. Who even cares about Billy insta-saw? So what if it’s hard to play against? It doesn’t matter. If you can learn what the process of pallet looping is, maaaaybe, you’ll survive. Whoever made this post needs to get off their high horse, and grab a box of tissues.Many people care about instasaw. The person who started this thread for instance. The people who have agreed.
But sure, who cares right? Imagine that same mentality for anything in the game -.-
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@Wolf74 said:
@FujinRaijin said:
@Wolf74 still waiting to hear why you think instasaw is fair btwYou really try to bash on me with that question forever?
Already answered. You just didn't liked it and ignored it.You didn't answer at all. You just kept ignoring it because you don't have a leg to stand on.
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@ReneAensland said:
@Wolf74 said:
@only1biggs said:
Billy main here...Instasaw needs to be nerfed hard.Why do people keep posting that stupid "meme."
Because some don't know how to accept that killers want certain items to be fair and fun to go against.
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@Mc_Harty said:
muh survivors don't like balance but I'm not going to discuss how things are balanced...Pretty much this forum in a nutshell.
Also the whole, killers aren't really killers because they agree that certain things need nerfed, argument is completely asinine.
Thats like survivors asking for nerfs on their own side. I guess they're not really survivors then. [BAD WORD] lol.
Exactly. I couldn't possibly play both roles (majority killer) and want things better for both sides ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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@Wolf74 said:
@only1biggs said:
@Wolf74 Stop derailing. You're pathetic.How is instasaw fair/balanced?
Please quote me correctly.
I never said that.I didn't quote you, I @'d you. Why would I quote that meme and take up more space than required.
Please stay on topic.
How is the instasaw fair/balanced?
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@Wolf74 Stop derailing. You're pathetic.
How is instasaw fair/balanced?