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@Haku said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1408696#Comment_1408696
"Don’t worry this should be fixed
in a couple monthsnext year. " There I fixed it for you."Don’t worry this should be fixed
in a couple monthsnext year.never" There I fixed it for you. -
I loved all the perk changes! Except this one!
Yeah as soon as they realize they will crawl slowly 99% of the time they'll just spend the time recovering, completely voiding the entire negative.
It's also no where near strong enough to warrant being only on basic attacks.
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@Johnny_XMan said:
"gonna predict the future" .....
How about just try him out and see what you think and give your thoughts. You know...instead of everything being doom and gloom right off the bat. Then again I see a few names and I am not surprised by the negativity that surrounds every update.
I know I try and praise the good things in each update if I can.
The perk changes were amazing. We might even see a usable Bubba now.
But the Billy changes hearken back right to Nurse down to the very smallest detail. Less map pressure, less travel, only limitations without any new tech or way to play. We are rightful to be doom and gloom about that at least, since it's literally just history repeating itself. Especially since so few people were complaining about his baskeit, when most of the real problems were the addons.
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@Swiftblade131 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1408300#Comment_1408300
See I can understand the Nurse needing a tone down. Don't get me wrong.
However, Billy was nowhere near Nurse's level ever. I want to hear their real reason for wanting to "rework" him.
Well for a long time Billy was considered #2 right behind her.
They've said it was just updating them and tied with the addon passes they're doing for older killers. Any reason beyond that is unfortunately speculation. We can guess all day about how it's to make top tier killers worse but we'll never now for sure unless someone leaks at BHVR.
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Don't worry it'll be just like Nurse.
Because so many people enjoyed changes that included only limitations and nothing else. It made her the most played and bug free killer! You'll see it's great for Billy!
/s
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I love the mechanic discourse over the physics behind his chainsaw.
Honestly OP you're right and those small details do make the difference.
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@LeftPreston said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1408106#Comment_1408106
Im just saying 7 blinks was too much
??
The most she ever had was 6 I think waaaaaaaaay back in the day and I'm not even sure if the +3 blink addons were there yet or not.
5 blinks was common for a long time but I, and many others, were fine with losing it (not all of her addons but whatever)
Now the only extra blinks you can get disable the single best part about them.
@SpyMature stop don't give them any ideas it's clear they listened to our jokes about the chainsaw bois.
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@LeftPreston said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1407878#Comment_1407878
Nurse is fine, optimization is key to most killers. They're trying to make you think about how you play other killers now instead of aimlessly blinking around the map or in this case continuously chainsawing around the map.
You're going to give me a tumor with that parroted argument.
There is no mindless chainsawing or blinking. They never ever EVER give you reward (hits/downs) unless a survivor is literally walking in front of you. You always had to aim, time, and execute the maneuver to get ANY reward from it.
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RIP every survivor who hates Billy in the coming weeks.
Yeah I agree they definitely under-exaggerate what the changes impact will be. Especially if it's purely a limit/nerf with no other possible new things for the killer.
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@NuclearBurrito said:
Btw of my own original Killer ideas
8 of them probably would not use a Power meter while 6 of them probably would.
A mix of them is great tbh. There are definitely powers out there that would warrant a power meter or cooldown.
I praise the way they did it with PH. A power meter that limits but does not outright stop you from playing how you choose, when you choose. I really wish they did that to Nurse instead of the cut and dry version we got.
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@NuclearBurrito said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1408021#Comment_1408021
Power meters are just a method of conveying info. They are using it to convey charge progress in this case rather than a cooldown.
It's no more a cooldown than Deathslinger reloading his gun is.
But Deathslinger feels so much organic, does he not? I don't believe power meters are very organic a majority of the time.
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@NuclearBurrito said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1407981#Comment_1407981
Except Myers. His power meter isn't a cooldown.
But they both have power meters and are central to their kits.
@JasonS said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1407937#Comment_1407937
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1407981#Comment_1407981
In one post you claim there's no purpose and people should take away from it whatever they want and then you turn around 6 minutes later and claim there's an issue. Either state your opinion and argue it or don't.
No. The infographic is just for info. I was arguing my opinion in response to another comment.
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@RockoRango said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1407970#Comment_1407970
Oh yes, I love not being able to blink a second time! It's a great mindgame I can use, spamming my blink noise so survivors run into me and I get a free hit.
:^/
I've always wondered if they hear that. It's funny to me to hear her gasp 6,000 times in 3 seconds but do the survivors hear that or are they oblivious to my plights?
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@RockoRango said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1407975#Comment_1407975
While this could be true, it depends on how it affects his gameplay. We won't know until the PTB comes out, but what I know for sure is that it will at least take more skill to play Billy (Not that I'm saying he didn't take any skill).
I'm all for requiring more skill. But not for limiting it without offering anything else in return.
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@JasonS said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1407937#Comment_1407937
Well you also have 'agency' about when you put your cooldown powers on cooldown.
The only one who really doesn't have much control is Myers because its based on how long the Survivors let you stare at them.
But you no longer have a choice when on CD. That's the biggest issue.
You can choose to use a CD power whenever you want but after that there is a set time where your choices disappear and you're an m1 killer.
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@RockoRango said:
Nurse's basekit wasn't fine, it needed some toning down. Although, I agree it was too much.
Wait until it comes into the PTB and start complaining; This won't do anything but make the minimum skill required to play him a teeny bit more.
The changes not only raised the minimum skill required to play him, but is also limited those at the top too. When you only make downsides and limits in a change, it makes both the top and bottom of the skill gap smaller.
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@WeenieDog said:
do pig traps count as "power charges"?
For consideration any power where you had 100% control of when to use it was not considered a power meter or cooldown. This extends to killers that have to reload when they choose to shoot.
With Pig you choose to put the RBT on whenever you want. There is no cooldown between them or power meter. I guess she could go into the misfit category, but with her I had her crouch in mind as her main tool/ability, and the RBT's as any other trap.
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@LetsPlayTogether said:
And whats the purpose of this infographic?
To show how many killers have a cooldown or power meter. It's also interesting to take in the history of it and see some killers that were moved into the cooldown category.
I will repeat. There is no purpose to it other than to show how many do/don't have a cd. Anything you take away from it is entirely on you.
@JasonS Yes but you have agency entirely over it. There is no time you are not in direct control of how much traps/ammo you have. (I guess barring Trapper having to pick them up but I digress)
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@Aven_Fallen said:
Damn, you are really butthurt about Power Meters, are you? Opening 3 Threads about it in less than 1 hour. I am impressed.
Where is a single complaint in this thread? It's purely because I found it interesting and so might others.
Miss me with that trash.
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@RuneStarr said:
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/IS7T053N27I0/screenshot-20200703-123505-samsung-internet.jpg
Saw this coming in January.
Gauge bars are an annoying mechanic and I hate this trend of going from fun abilities to "let's play the waiting game to use your power! wee!"
Charge based is even worse, but man. All Billy needed was some addon changes. Perk reworks are fine too I guess, but leave the basekit alone.
I love the changes they did to the perks. Hell, I'm warming up to Bubba the more I think on him.
But Billy? He was limited. Nothing new except more downsides. What fun. We joked about his power meter but we knew.
Deep down we knew it would be here eventually. I'm just glad I don't play Billy.
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@brokedownpalace said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1407819#Comment_1407819
Designs... change. That's literally what's happening right now.
You usually give a player something else to work with in these cases. Nurse and Billy just got straight up limited.
There is no new skillful play or tech you can do. It is purely limiting your options without opening up ANY others.
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@Peanits said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1407632#Comment_1407632
The sound is mostly just a small detail. They're still going to hear your chainsaw long before he starts screaming.
But now it's a conformation that you are doing an action. Before they had to have visual info to know whether you were holding it and moving or using it to run.
Small details are bigger than they first look.
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@brokedownpalace said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1407796#Comment_1407796
I'm not even referring to hits so you're just arguing against something I never said. You just can't frolick around the map with insane speeds endlessly anymore. It doesn't surprise me that a Nurse main would be upset by that change.
OmEgAlUL
IT WAS A PART OF HIS DESIGN!?!?
I can't help you if you think a killer having the freedom to roam around the map as a vital part of his kit is overbearing but that's all on you. Don't make other players suffer because of it.
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@Aven_Fallen said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1407740#Comment_1407740
The player still can go for stupid choices. But gets a punishment.
Doing a stupid action already got you punished. Survivors run away when you fail. Adding an extra limit to it was unnecessary for all of the same reasons Nurse was.
Now you're extra punished for failing. Because a slew of negative feedback is really what we killer players want.
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@OmegaXII said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1407669#Comment_1407669
Probably gonna introduce more bugs to him while they're at it, which will never be fixed
Ghost overheats from 0% I can see it now.
Cooldown being extra long or just not ever coming off of CD.
The possibilities are endless.
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@brokedownpalace said:
Billy needed a mobility limit. You can still get across the map very quickly, you just have to actually think about what you're doing, you can't just mindlessly chainsaw whenever you want.
omegalul.
"mindlessly chainsaw" What even. I'm going to use almost verbatim the Nurse counter arguments for this change.
It's not mindless, it takes aim and timing to get a chainsaw hit (unless you've trapped them in the geometry) and also some aim since Billy has that weird turning thing.
Even if you did nothing but run across the map the entire game you are not going to get rewarded for it unless a potato walks in front of you. By that logic, spamming it does not give you rewards, using it with precision did. Thereby all this change did was limit the amount of time you can be doing that in a match. It does not make it more skillful.
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@JasonS said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1407720#Comment_1407720
That has nothing to do with if the perk is controllable or not.
It can go off at the perfect time and give you a gen grab or it can activate when you're in the middle of a chase on the other side of the map and do absolutely nothing. You have no control over it.
I will straight up abandon a chase if I'm within range (much larger now with the buff) to do something about it.
You have to think of it in the context of a killer with map travel. It's nigh useless on anyone else for that very reason.
You also don't want control over it. That would just make it Insidious but x100000000 better. The whole point is it tells you when a gen is close and gives you stealth to sneak up on people who are now invested in finishing a close gen.
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@Aven_Fallen said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1407695#Comment_1407695
^ this.
This Mechanic is most likely for those players who are using the Chainsaw all the time because the penalty is not that big, especially when using Cooldown-Add Ons.
If someone is good with the Chainsaw and does not overuse it in a chase (meaning going for unrealistic chainsaws) they will not have that much of a problem.
And it does not look like it heats up much when using it for mobility.
It should be the players choice to go for stupid plays like that instead of being cornered into only using their power when it's 100% going to not miss ever. It takes the nuance out of it.
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I made so many jokes about exactly what they did to Billy. Man I feel for you guys as a Nurse main.
Here's hoping you aren't plagued by bugs that will never get fixed from the new changes.
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@JasonS said:
Well the big difference is that PH gets to chose when he activates his perk while Tinkerer can go off any time without any control on your part.
That's not to say I think Trial of Torment should warn the survivors but the fact that you can't control when Tinkerer activates is a significant drawback.
It's not a drawback it's part of the synergy within itself. I regularly get gen grabs with it. Having it proc only on gens that are close to being done is a god send not a drawback.
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@NuclearBurrito said:
Deathslinger doesn't have a power meter and lots of the Killers that do have power meters have then alongside another ability that doesn't.
Trap killers and Ranged killers like Huntress would be a stretch to throw a cooldown or power meter on even by joking standards.
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I believe the reason why is Tinkerer is only good on killers that can travel a large distance fast. It's usable on slow killers but when gens are about to go off on the other side of the map it becomes much more situational and less consistent.
With PH's perk you can control whenever you want to enable the stealth. Having not used it yet I thought it was dumb af too. But having played a few survivors games against it I believe it is necessary. I could not imagine not knowing they've kicked a gen (without Alert of course) and never knowing when to try and hide or wait for the HB before moving.
As someone who uses Tinkerer though I'm extremely happy they're buffing it.
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@ALostPuppy said:
I think the Devs have higher priorities. What those priorities are...I have absolutely no idea...but yeah I think Nurse is very low on the list. Wouldn't be surprised if they're trying to forget about her existence entirely, like Billy and GhostFace.
OH don't you worry, Billy was far from forgotten. Look at his fancy new heat mechanic for maximum cringe.
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@MrDardon said:
Carburettor Tuning Guide: Doing a reverse Chainsaw into Quentin hiding in a corner will grant you 500 % more Bloodpoints for the next 69 matches.
69 seconds* wouldn't want it to be too good now.
@Mrjuice said:
If they add cooldown to Billy might as well add a 300 second cooldown to hooking survivors, breaking pallets and vaulting as a killer.
I felt the same about Nurse mate. And here we are in the future and its wrongggggg :(
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@Splinterverse said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1406988#Comment_1406988
I did mention the nerfs in another post in this thread and there was a time when the game was survivor sided.
That said, balancing around any one type of play is only going to imbalance another type of play.
SWF are uncommon AND I can say from having played in my fair share of SWF matches, that the objective is not to bully the killer. The objective is to survive and escape while having fun chatting.
I can honestly say I've only ever seen the bullying once in one match and I didn't play with that person again after that.
Anecdotal evidence does not dismiss a widespread problem simply because you have not personally experienced it.
SWF has the possibility to have 16+ perks per person because of how much information they have over survivors who cannot communicate. This is objectively stronger than was intended, and refusing to acknowledge or balance it is only going to lead more killers to the breaking point of dropping the game when they encounter those people who do bully squads. Refusing to balance the most powerful things in the game simply because a majority are not using it is foolish and will lead to failure every single time.
It's also not fun for the people on the receiving end in the elos where that behavior is common. Being good at the game should not reward you with a toxic matchpool of abusive people.
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@burntFuse said:
Most of my cakes are sitting on one killer that I want to prestige, so they're likely going to all get thrown away. ######### sucks.
Yeah I really hate the prestige system that makes you use everything on them before prestiging. If you had a lot of ######### though good luck getting through it all before the BP cap. Better spend those extra points on someone else... oh wait they're gonna have the same problem down the line...
At least let us keep the point orientated stuff. Eat all my addons and map offerings idfc. Eat my BP offerings and I'm pissed.
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Legion has 2, one for Frank and Julie IIRC.
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@Izo_Quartz said:
Nurse is without a doubt the strongest killer. Especially in chase potential, she completely ignores walls, pallets and windows. Unlike most killers, a nurse that's skilled enough to make few mistakes is nearly impossible to counter.
Spirit is a close second with her ability to force survivors to leave any loop by just mindlessly standing still.
It baffles me how anyone could possibly think that these two killers are somehow weak just because of the minor nerfs they got before that bearly even touched them.
No one is arguing Nurse is weak. We are arguing that she is weaker to the point of being a chore to play and little to no fun. Throw in game breaking bugs that have been in the game for years coupled with a majority of her addons being memes and you can start to see why we're pissed.
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@thrawn3054 said:
I think they'll add a power bar to Billy. Just so he can't spam chainsaw sprints. Not that I think it's needed. But I think they'll do it. They'll probably make Carburetor Tunning Guide ultra rare. And add the obligatory useless BP addons.
Yes we wouldn't want killers deciding when to use their powers now would we BHVR
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@Frareid88 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1407063#Comment_1407063
It's never going to change as it's 4 v 1. Is it so hard to grasp
So we should just leave the game as it is now and not bother trying to fix it? No one comes into this game thinking the survivors will be able to bully the killer and control the flow of the game. No one but asshats wants that. So we need to work on it.
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@Frareid88 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1407056#Comment_1407056
I'm quite happy to play against 4 blemdettees with flashlights and get tea bagged. Do you know why?? I have a life and don't let a game impact my life
Wow. You so eloquently shut all of my points down by saying I have no life.
I'm glad you enjoy the bully sim that is this game. Others like myself would like to see it changed.
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@Frareid88 said:
Just because you weren't going to win doesn't mean you need to throw your toys out the pram. This game has turned into people saying poor me poor me. It's a game. Your not going to win 100% of games. Instead of DCing just farm some points and get on to the next one
Here;s what you don't understand though, no one wants to play this game when it's just 4 people bullying you and ignoring you like you are an inconvenience and not the ######### killer. So long as we have groups that will rush killers and just simply over power them due to perk combinations that make them almost 100% safe despite doing risky/stupid actions this game will always have people complaining.
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@hahadrillgobrrr said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1406981#Comment_1406981
I believe you. I'm just always curious when it come to Billy. I guess it is sort of a blessing I just started playing DBD. It would suck to learn a killer and then having to stop playing because of changes made.
Yes it can be... quite frustrating. Especially when they leave all of her game breaking problems on read.
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@Respectfulnancymain said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1406997#Comment_1406997
The devs killed nurse because everyone thought she was op and everyone was complaing about her
They have no reason to destroy billy since litrally no one thinks hes op
I've seen plenty of people complain about Billy over the years. Right after Nurse's destruction and the announcement the chainsaw bois were gonna get touched the threads about Billy soared.
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@Respectfulnancymain said:
Bubbas basekit getting buffed
Billys basekit won't be changed
Thats my prediction
Bubba getting buffed
Billy not getting destroyed
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@Splinterverse said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1406686#Comment_1406686
LOL
I have played both sides.
If people are complaining of gen rush it's because they are facing a good team and perhaps aren't as good at the game as they should be as a killer.
The speeds are the slowest they've ever been (not accounting for busted original Ruin). You don't have toolboxes now. You have gens running slower when stacked. You've got plenty of perks. Literally watch killer videos or play as either role and you'll experience people defeating good and bad teams of survivors.
I'm a rank 1 survivor and 4Ks and lower as well as escapes. The only time it is not really even is when the matchmaking is jacked up (which is very frequent these days).
Asking to nerf the gen speeds means you need to get better at the game. BHVR is going to add something to further slow down the beginning of the match because so many of you have been crying like babies about this. Like I said, it better be reasonable, or there won't be any survivors left to kill.
You can wish me out of this game all you want, but I'm speaking the truth.
Survivors have had their items and perks nerfed repeatedly. They've also had map nerfs. And each new killer is more and more OP. Tunnelhead can tunnel without penalty. Deathslinger's terror radius is busted. Ghostface can one-shot you without having a terror radius. Doctor was supposed to be less annoying and is now more so. Freddy is as obnoxius AF with his 500 powers. If your favorite killer can't cut it, switch to one that can until they fix it.
Again, keep being a whiny killer main (which BHVR caters to), and you'll see the survivors leave in droves. I've seen tons of people quit with each patch. Maybe they're going with cross play because they can see it coming.
I have to point this out since you apparently haven't noticed it: It took years of straight up nerfs for survivors to be brought in line and not be the power role. Even now, with ALL OF THESE NERFS, SWF groups are still the power role.
Tell me what is balanced when you can have squads of people whose main objective is to bully the killer.
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Oh man that does not look promising.
Bubba mains hope he isn't the new Nurse addon pass lmao
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@NuclearBurrito said:
Because after 5 gens is when the Killer should be at his weakest, since the Survivors have successfully completed the primary portion of their objective.
What about killers that are designed to become more powerful as the match nears the endgame? Like Freddy description suggests (although we all know he gets weaker as the gens get popped)
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It would be hard to string this together multiple times without ever seeing the cages aura.
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I don't miss survivors failing 5 skill checks in a row on the same generator and I'm unable to do anything while I wait for them to fall asleep.
I don't miss survivors getting a downed survivor up because they had 7 seconds to heal them before I could interact with the downed survivor again because healing is a priority action over picking up.
I don't miss hooks basically being incredibly safe against Freddy because you had 7 seconds to do it before he could hit you.
There were fun times to be had but SERIOUS problems with his old kit. I wouldn't be opposed to seeing another killer that is similar but without all the dead falls that made Freddy his own tier of garbage.