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I wish I could sell any offering. I'd instantly sell all the fog, luck, shroud, basement and hatch location offerings.
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Yup. I just did it now in this post. 😂
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They need to add Myers in ghost sheet costume because he wore it in Halloween.
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@slausonklaus said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2740387#Comment_2740387
Oh snap just read that sorry. Is there a way to delete a forum? Not stating that this is the best route, but they should be shamed until it stops. I just wish their was a report system like pc provides for console players.
If it's in messages you can report the message to your platform. Console platforms tend to be pretty good at quickly punishing people for harassment in messages.
As for the post you can edit and remove the name/shame but you can't actually delete your post, only mods can delete posts.
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It's against forum rules to name and shame.
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@KateMain86 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2740211#Comment_2740211
Literally... not the point... I was making... You're very good at not making an argument or staying on point. Not trying to be mean but how many times now have I said something and you said something completely off point to what I said. The point I was making was that in my experience (which is worth considering as well as others) I have not even seen this happen. in fact I had never even heard of it happening until I heard that they were being removed. I've been playing online games for over 20 years. I have seen more racist things happen in them than you can imagine but never have I seen such an overreaction to it than I have seen in recent time. People are way too sensitive these days.
BHVR has received enough complaints with proof to warrant the removal of the masks since there were players using a blackface mask to harass other players and amplify their racism. It's great for you that you have been able to avoid experiencing the racism in DBD but just because you personally didn't see it doesn't mean it wasn't a problem that needed to be addressed. BHVR has seen the harassment since they are sent proof from more than just one player's perspective and would rather remove a cosmetic that is being used to harass a portion of their player base.
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Just show the thumbs up next to their name - it'd be like the likes on social media, doesn't need a message with it.
As much as a BP reward would be nice if you exclude SWF players from it you are punishing them for playing with their friends which is not fair. It's a lose/lose situation that no matter which way you go someone is punished.
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@Tr1nity said:
Use Insidious
Stand in front of a generator
Wait for a survivor to mistake you for another survivor
Profit
If Legion could crouch like Ghostface and pretend to be on the gen that would be brutal. 😂
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This is why I always hold crouch if PH does that to me. Sucks for those trying to just get the daily done but I'd rather waste the time of the PH that's trying to make it easier for him to tunnel me out with a mori.
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:)
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There hasn't been a patch or hot fix this week, there's no reason console optimization would improve since there was no patch/hotfix to have any console optimization. I have complained about console needing optimization (and will continue to as long as there are performance issues) but leaving for a week and expecting it to randomly improve when there was no patch/hot fix makes no sense.
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@KateMain86 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2740060#Comment_2740060
And it wouldn't be blackface if no one came out and said it offended them, would it? I already said they can do whatever they want with their game, it doesn't mean it was the right choice or a good one. I'm not ignoring anything. First of all I have close to 2000 hours played in this game as survivor. I have been matched with hundreds of leatherface players and not once have I even seen any of the survivor face cosmetics used on him. If this is happening, I don't see how it is happening a lot. A few instances of it happening are not enough to consider it a problem and make a change like this. This whole thing feels like an overreaction. I am all for reasonable and rational efforts to reduce any kind of hate that goes on in video games. However there needs to be a line drawn on the measures being taken so it doesn't go too far.
"I have been matched with hundreds of leatherface players and not once have I even seen any of the survivor face cosmetics used on him."
Then those Leatherface players hopefully won't miss the cosmetics they weren't even using in game.
BHVR saw enough instances of it being used as blackface to harass players and amplify racism that they have made the decision to remove the masks. You are trying to invalidate those players experiences by saying you never personally saw it and claiming it was only a few. Removing the masks - which you said you never saw in your 2k hours of play - is a small thing for BHVR to do to help prevent further instances of racial harassment in their game.
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2740084#Comment_2740084
well now i wanna go
I guess he took his daughter for her bday. That had to be the best bday ever.
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@Pulsar said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2740067#Comment_2740067
So, if it doesn't matter that much, you wouldn't be opposed to simply removing the Great Skill Check zones, correct?
Just making sure I'm understanding correctly
Can we make whole thing be considered great skill checks but take the 16 seconds instead of quicker 15 so I can get "hit great skill checks" challenges done faster?
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2740071#Comment_2740071
what the ######### that exists and i havent been told?!
When Sean Astin did it he started trending because someone shared pic only mentioning Stranger Things so people started naming all his other roles that were bigger. 😂
https://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2019/08/sean-astin-appreciation-day-viral-otter-photo
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2740071#Comment_2740071
what the ######### that exists and i havent been told?!
Lemme see if I can find a video. Saw bunch of celebs sharing videos of it a few years ago. Think it's in California.
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@MrDardon said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2739870#Comment_2739870
😍😍I am melting😍😍
I love Otters so much, I could pet them all day.
#pettheotter
Have you seen the videos of the place where you can swim with otters? I haven't read into it so not sure how good/bad it is for the otters but I was still so jealous of the people getting to play with them in the water.
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@KateMain86 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2739984#Comment_2739984
- Its not a black face mask. Its a mask of Claudette who is a fictional character in a fictional world. You're going to regurgitate the same things you've said as to why you think it is, and I will ignore them because it is all irrelevant to the fact that it is not intrinsically racist.
- The DBD lore of him has nothing to do with the overall lore of the character and idea of the character which is what I was arguing the whole time. Again, you're stretching because you're losing the argument every time you make a post here.
- The fact you keep calling it a blackface mask instead of what it really is, a Claudette mask, shows you do in fact have a bias view of this.
Whats wrong with Claudette being viewed in the same way as all the other survivors? An individual and a human like everyone else in the story. Why does her face have to be viewed as being black face if its used by leatherface. Because he's white? Again, this is finding racism where it doesn't exist and the fact its now being found in fictional stories where it doesn't exist shows had bad this has gotten.
I refer to it as blackface because the BHVR devs have said the mask they created in their game is blackface. Racist players are able to use it to amplify their racism while harassing others because it is blackface. It's nice you are able to ignore it, the players being harassed aren't so lucky and that is why BHVR is doing the right thing to remove it.
Overall lore in the movies Leatherface still takes on the role of the faces he wears, it's why he wears entire outfits with them. In DBD - where there are 4 survivor masks - he does not take on the role of survivor while wearing the masks meaning that they are not lore accurate either by DBD lore or movie lore.
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@AnObserver said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2739962#Comment_2739962
I've never experienced/been the target of racism in my life so all it is are hypotheticals to me. You do understand that people who are lucky enough not to experience it literally are having their hypotheticals shot down but are told that other hypotheticals are valid, right?
Again, I avoid arguing in hypotheticals because when you argue in hypotheticals you are able to change the scenario to fit your narrative.
Players are giving actual experiences of racist harassment in DBD - they are not giving hypotheticals. If you've been lucky enough to not experience racism that's great for you, others have not been lucky though and are giving actual experiences that others are trying to invalidate.
@AnObserver said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2739984#Comment_2739984
Also, responding more directly to your comment:
"Read the DBD lore, no where does it say he wears all the faces of his victims. What it does say is he kills anyone that he feels threatens his family and that the faces he does wear he takes on the roles of those faces."
This means that Leatherface wearing a black person's face isn't a racist action in a closed system.
"The removal is to prevent further harassment through the amplification of racism from use of the blackface mask to those that are offended."
This is the point. Leatherface using a marginalized persons skin like that isn't (in isolation), racist, rather the larger system in which it is presented in (media) is where it starts to draw parallels to racism due to more available historical connotations.
Cheap and easy statements like: "Using Blackface bubba is racist." Is reductive and buzzwordy and any following or preceding explanation doesn't matter if that's the conclusion drawn.
Again, reread my comments. I have said blackface is racist. I have said racist players have used the blackface mask to harass others and amplify their racism. I have not said just using blackface Bubba is racist.
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Their patch came with alot of issues so that left sour taste for players to get them in the first place.
Most see their game play as camp/slug and there are better killers for either of those play styles.
The players that did enjoy playing as them haven't liked the nerfs they've received.
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@KateMain86 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2739855#Comment_2739855
Thats a far stretch in your argument there. If were going to assume things about a fictional character then at least be consistent with the fiction of the character. And being consistent with the fiction of the character means regardless of the color of the person he kills, he'd wear the face too. That also does not make him or the idea of it racist or black face. That is literally just being consistent with his character. You can drag this out as long as you want, but every time I will tell you you're wrong because you are wrong. There are black people of all walks of life in this world. To make changes to accommodate some because something is considered racist is the wrong approach. You keep trying to argue that this is a good thing for black people but who are you to speak on behalf of them? Have you ever considered that maybe there are black people in this world that are sick and tired of being told they're a victim all the time and just want to be treated like everyone else? Well this cosmetic along with the others leatherface could unlock would be just that. It would be everyone being treated equally.
Read the DBD lore, no where does it say he wears all the faces of his victims. What it does say is he kills anyone that he feels threatens his family and that the faces he does wear he takes on the roles of those faces.
The removal is to prevent further harassment through the amplification of racism from use of the blackface mask to those that are offended.
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@AnObserver said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2739843#Comment_2739843
Don't handwave away my argument because you're too lazy to talk about it.
We are talking about a general archetype here: If a child was abused by a mother, and their mistreatment from their mother resulted in a mental structure leading them to killing women and wearing their faces, would you classify that as racism or a mental disability?
Using that archetype in a generic setting does allow for scenarios created in which it may overlap with a topic that has a heavy relation to racism, such as the perceived symbolism of blackface, and that is why I have no qualms with this change. However, calling Ed Geins, (and Leatherface) racist is incorrect.
The core issue here is blackface, and its negative impact on people, NOT LEATHERFACE OR ED GEINS.
Stop trying to convince people that Leatherface and Ed Geins are racists. (It really comes across as such)
Convince people that Blackface has a significant historical association with racism, and that while on an individual level, Ed Geins/Leatherface may not be racists, but how they are portrayed in media with the inclusion of an extremely similar cosmetic option to blackface in a widespread medium keeps a fresh reminder of that in people minds which doesn't help with moving on and overcoming those old connotations.
You are creating hypothetical what if situations which are just a distraction from the issue of the Claudette mask being blackface. Even in your scenario you only give option of this or that when it could be both. I tend to not bother arguing hypotheticals because people will continue changing the scenario by adding what ifs just to fit their narrative.
It seems like you have completely misread my comments. I never argued Ed Gein or Leatherface are racist - I said they both only ever wore white faces and why and why their actual histories (not hypotheticals) aren't an excuse for keeping the masks in DBD. I originally brought up the video on not using lore as an excuse to keep a blackface mask in the game when someone tried to use lore as an excuse - you commented on that and I responded to you. I've literally said Leatherface the character isn't racist, it's the players using a mask to harass others and amplify racism. I have repeated multiple times throughout this post that BHVR has said the mask is blackface, that historically blackface is racist, and the mask is being used to harass players and amplify racism.
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@MrDardon said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2737449#Comment_2737449
Are this OTTERS!!!?? 😍😍😘
Yesss. Local wildlife rehabilitator sometimes has super sad pics/stories but they also have super cute pics and happy ending stories like these otters. Their names are Emmet and Addie.
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@KateMain86 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2739843#Comment_2739843
The masks do fit his lore because nowhere in the lore does it state he would spare a black person because they are black. So yes, the argument can be made that the fictional character leatherface would do the same to anyone and not discriminate based on skin color. If leatherface wore the face of a black person, it would not bring up the history of black face. It would only do it to people who try to find racism where racism doesn't exist. As I said, not all black people think alike and share the same views and opinions as each other. Not all of them want to be continually victimized and excluded from creative work because some find offense to certain things.
In the lore he does not discriminate when he kills, he will kill anyone to protect the family. As for faces he takes on the roles of the faces he wears - he never took on the survivor role while wearing a survivors face, he was always a killer.
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@KateMain86 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2739773#Comment_2739773
It is not intrinsically racist. I will say this forever. News flash, not all black people think alike and share the same views and opinions. I know shocker right? It turns out not all black people like to be kept in a victim mentality. And what if a black person comes along and says the cosmetic is not offensive? Are they wrong? Does their voice matter? Are they racist? This has to stop being a universal thing every time something like this comes up. It needs to be handled on an individual basis.
BHVR took multiple individual complaints of the blackface mask being used to harass players and amplify racism in their game so they are removing the mask to prevent anymore incidents of racist harassment with the mask.
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@AnObserver said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2738006#Comment_2738006
Her Logic ends in the result of non-White non-Female Characters not having unlockable masks (If it is to be a direct association to the IRL Lore of Ed Gein). Not the removal of all Masks. (And also fails to address the scenario in which Ed Gein's mother was Black, would Smartface be acceptable then?)
It should be noted that there are varying "types" of lore depending on a person's perspective, some that come to mind are:
- Lore behind IRL Ed Gein
- Lore behind the IRL creation of the character of Leatherface
- Lore behind Leatherface in the Leatherface Universe
- Lore behind the inclusion and design of Leatherface into IRL DBD
- Lore behind Leatherface in the DBD Universe.
Most "Bad Actors" use the Lore of Leatherface in the Leatherface Universe as the "excuse" for Smartface's inclusion, in which they are technically correct about. Leatherface was indiscriminate, it was likely just implicit bias during the creation of The Chainsaw Massacre in which there was no inclusion of a marginalized person's face used as a mask.
"Hansen later added, "The idea of the mask is that there is no personality under the mask. That was the idea in talking with Tobe and Kim. When they created the character, they said he has to put on masks to express himself because he himself can't do it. The way we tried to create him, there is nothing under the mask, which is what makes him so frightening."
I would also classify Milady Confetti as a "Bad Actor" for literally using racist logic in that Leatherface should not be allowed to use a facemask of a marginalized person because Ed Gein's mother was white, (so only white people would be acceptable).
In the end I do support the decision to remove them as most people are stupid and more concerned about skin color than the actual meaning behind things. (Such as the historical context or symbolism of blackface which Milady Confetti literally handwaves away as not important in her video).
She points out that in no Leatherface movie or in the real life history of Ed Geins do either ever wear a black face and why because people kept saying "but it's OK because the lore." Asking "but what if Ed Geins mom was black?" is just trying to find a way through what if scenarios that don't exist to make the blackface mask acceptable.
If you're going by Ed Gein lore there's no arguing there would be other masks hence her bringing up the IRL inspiration for Leatherface.
If you're going by the movie lore he never once wore a mask that wasn't a white person and there's alot of movies where he could've. First movies were probably implicit bias but the more recent they didn't do it because a white man wearing a black face would bring up the racist history of blackface.
In the DBD universe they made the masks but they didn't fit his lore outside "he wears faces" since even in the DBD lore it says each face has a role - he never took on a survivor role wearing a survivor face.
Milady Confetti doesn't handwave away the historical context or symbolism of blackface. She literally says you are on YouTube and can go watch numerous videos or read scholarly articles, she just personally isn't going to do it in her video when there's already so many resources out there.
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@KateMain86 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2739717#Comment_2739717
Nope. You literally are being bias because it is a literal fact that the cosmetic itself is not intrinsically (please look up this word) racist. You keep trying to say I am just giving an opinion, but I'm not saying how I personally feel about it. That is what YOU are doing. I care about the truth and the truth is this whole thing is a non issue that was made into an issue by people who think an in game cosmetic for a fictional character is somehow racist. YOU'RE the one trying to say your OPINION is a fact on this issue. But you don't get to redefine words or change reality based on your feelings. I care about the truth. When people try to use their feelings to create their own truth then I have a problem.
Look up the history of blackface and you will see it is intrinsically racist. Within the comments you got offended by a title of a YouTube video, my saying Leatherface as a white man is wearing a literal blackface, and my saying people can be naive/ignorant about blackface. Your responses are opinion based on your feelings and it shows very clearly. You can keep believing the Claudette mask isn't blackface but BHVR after learning more about what constitutes blackface has stated it is and are removing it from the game - they'd rather the backlash from the few upset over the removal than keep something used to amplify racism in their game.
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@KateMain86 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2739674#Comment_2739674
No. I'm not. I'm stating a fact as a fact. You're blatantly ignoring it because you have a bias opinion on the matter. BHVR can say what they want and do what they want with their game, as I said already. That doesn't make anything intrinsically true and it doesn't mean it won't come without backlash, which it has. That is the point I am making. People know that the cosmetic is not racist, so there is backlash on the change which there should be. Just because a few players used the cosmetic a certain way and said certain things after the match doesn't make the cosmetic itself racist. Why don't you see that? We're talking about a fictional character who has a characteristic of wearing the face of his victims. The idea of one of his victims being black makes it intrinsically racist is ridiculous.
You are projecting saying I have a bias when really it is you with the bias while continuing to state your opinions are facts when they are not facts. The history of blackface makes blackface intrinsically racist and Leatherface never wore a black person's face in the movies so your statement on what he would/wouldn't do is just an assumption not fact. You can keep stating your opinions and claiming they are facts but that won't change the facts BHVR has stated and the masks will still be removed because of the facts BHVR had stated.
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I've said before they should remove chat and use those resources on the more important things in the game. Chat is completely unnecessary for the game.
I also think they should give everyone their own DBD ID, remove the ability to go to players profiles to end toxic messages being sent outside the game. In game have survivors be survivors 1-4, end game screen show DBD ID for each survivor for reporting purposes. This will also help streamline reporting between platforms if each player has a specific DBD ID for their account.
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@KateMain86 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2739617#Comment_2739617
Except its not ignorance to not see it as racist. It literally is not racist. Now you're implying everyone who doesn't see it as racist is ignorant. Do you realize what this does for creative work going forward? Story writers are going to worry about making a black character the victim of anything in their horror stories out of fear someone will scream racism. I don't care how many times you reply to me and say the same thing over and over, I'm going to tell you the same thing every time, which is the TRUTH. The cosmetic is NOT intrinsically racist. That is a fact and your OPINION that it isn't is just that, an opinion.
You're treating your opinions as facts. The facts are BHVR has called the mask blackface (see video with Not Queen) and BHVR has said it has been used to harass players (see dev update) so BHVR are removing the masks (dev update and patchnotes).
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@Junylar said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2739186#Comment_2739186
I only remember one thread asking for it, and it was a clear joke thread. Even if there are people in the community who take this mask as a serious problem, they are not just a "vocal minority", they would be a "vocal 0.1%". Why do you think the devs never bothered asking the players themselves, via some kind of in-game vote? Because they knew almost every player would oppose the mask censorship. This example just shows BHVR at its finest: listening to some twitter celebrities while completely ignoring 99.9% of the playerbase and making completely unnecessary, unasked for and generally unpopular changes, while the real problems which are being talked about literally every day remain unaddressed.
Since I joined in April of 2020 I've seen multiple serious posts on the forums requesting the mask be removed due to blackface and harassment - usually they are in the Feedback section. Just because you didn't see them doesn't mean they didn't exist, you just were more focused on other things you cared about.
Know what helps BHVR focus on more aspects of the game? Removing free cosmetics that were being used to amplify racism in their game so there are less support tickets coming in about that they need to investigate and can instead focus on other support tickets that are about in game issues.
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@KateMain86 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2739121#Comment_2739121
Yes you've said this many times now. And I still say it is wrong. An opinion about something doesn't make it true. Did they think it was blackface when they made it? See how this is going now? The cosmetic is not intrinsically racist. That IS a fact. Like I said, they can do what they want but its not without backlash as we have seen. A lot of people are pissed about this and none of them are racist. They know the difference between fiction and reality. They know the cosmetic is not racist or offensive.
Many times people don't realize something is racist due to naivety and ignorance. Once they learn something is racist they then change their views. While BHVR originally may not have realized it was blackface and could be used as a tool to amplify racism when it was first brought into the game they have stated they do now and are removing the cosmetic from their game.
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@GamerEzra said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2739186#Comment_2739186
I still don't understand why the masks have to go. This proves that the devs rather let everyone suffer instead of punishing people that abuse them. It's much more important to fix the insane amount of cheaters. The ''old'' wiggle system is not something that is bad for the game. Some people even make content out of cheating in the game, that's just insane. 1-2 months ago i played with someone that healed someone insanely fast, i almost knew 100% sure he was cheating and i just asked him how he did it so fast. He just told me that he was cheating, cheaters don't even try to hide it because it doesn't matter anymore, they just don't care. Things like this are extremly bad for the game, the wiggle update can wait however...
There's multiple posts already explaining as well as videos on YouTube from DBD content creators that experienced the harassment explaining the removal and even multiple news articles explaining why the masks are being removed. At this point if you still don't understand I don't know what else I could say that would make a difference. Ultimately it doesn't matter - BHVR has made their stance on it clear and the masks are getting removed.
Again, the wiggle system change was due to the wear and tear it had on keyboards/controllers that caused them to break as well as for accessibility. Just because you personally did not have an issue with it does not mean there were plenty of others that did have an issue that complained and were heard by BHVR.
As I said in my first comment on this post, and I will repeat again - they addressed a fix for cheating in the patch notes. Here is the screenshot again.
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With DCs -
As survivor loaded into match on Badham v Leatherface. First survivor quit when they saw Leatherface. Second was found in locker and DC'd. Third was downed shortly after, they killed themself on hook as Leatherface ran away and I was on my way to unhook. Leatherface then DC'd before I found hatch. Match was under a minute.
As Nurse loaded into Midwich. First survivor DC'd as soon as the load in stopped. Second survivor DC'd immediately after, third survivor couple second later. Gave last survivor hatch.
Without DCs -
Solo MATCH, Billy found and chainsawed me at start of match. Slugged me to go down another. Managed to down all 4 players pretty quick. Slugged everyone until we bled out. Unfortunately in solo this happened more than once before he was nerfed.
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Just adding - alot of the community has been asking for the Claudette mask to be removed for years now. A large portion of the community also asked for the wiggle system to be changed due to ruining keyboards/controllers as well as for accessibility. So those two examples are things BHVR listened to the community on.
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The PTB patchnotes cheaters were addressed.
While I don't like SBMM and think the need to add more nuance to how MMR is calculated they did mention several things in the Dev Update they will be adjusting to try and improve the system.
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Change it into several minigames like in Among Us where you need to do wiring and similar things like that. Have it block portion of the screen so if you try looking around while on the gen you can't see everywhere around you.
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@KateMain86 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2738654#Comment_2738654
If someone sees the cosmetic as black face it is just their opinion and not an intrinsic fact. That is the problem I have with this. It isn't intrinsically racist. This is a debate of discernment and personal opinion. So going by this logic, leatherface as a character can never wear the face of a black victim otherwise its black face? Like I said, the fact that there isn't a discernment between fiction and reality with this whole thing is beyond ridiculous. A lot of people are pissed off about this and NONE of them are racist for being pissed off about it.
You can have whatever opinion you want, BHVR devs have openly stated it is blackface. BHVR says it is blackface and is removing it from their game.
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@KateMain86 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2738562#Comment_2738562
Then THOSE players who were reported for doing the abusive actions should have been banned for it. They can do what they want with their game, it doesn't mean it was the right choice and that everyone is going to agree with them. You say a lot of players are speaking up about the cosmetic being racist, but that doesn't make it intrinsically offensive. A lot of players are also speaking up and saying how it is wrong to remove them and they need to be heard as well. You tried to argue leatherface being white as being a problem with the smartface cosmetic in a previous reply. Being white is not intrinsically evil. Leatherface doing the things he does makes him evil. I'm sick of people trying to make an argument around someone being white as being the foundation of something being racist. That is actually racist. I feel like people have forgotten what the word racist means and make up their own definitions for it.
BHVR is both removing the blackface cosmetic that is being used as a tool to spread hate and continuing to ban the players that they have proof are being racist. Mandy has said in other posts they do and will continue to ban those that they have proof of harassing players. Since they can't pre-emptively ban a player they are removing a tool in the game that has been used to amplify racism because it is blackface - BHVR agrees it is blackface and should be removed from the game.
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:)
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Blastmine/Flashbang. My favorite thing is to manage a Flashbang blind on a Freddy teleporting out of my gen and then sticking around nearby so I can hear the stun when he kicks my gen followed by lockers being opened/closed before he gives up and leaves. 😂
I can't help but goof off as killer. I tend to only kill if I have a challenge related to it. My favorite is playing as Ghostface and finding random spots to hide and mark survivors from, the way they scurry around trying to figure out where I am is hilarious.
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Depip did encourage better play on both sides. If a camping killer or hiding survivor can't move up and stay up in the grades for BP they'll adjust their play enough to do so.
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@chargernick85 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2738160#Comment_2738160
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2738173#Comment_2738173
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2738175#Comment_2738175
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2738177#Comment_2738177
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I want to thank you all for your prayers and being understanding of the situation......unlike others.
When i made this thread she was in the process of a 3rd code blue and up this point my families prayers werent being answered. I hoped more prayers would swing the odds but unfortunately it was her time....again thank those of you who tried and knew how to read.
I'm so sorry for your loss, my condolences to your family.
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I think it's good to branch out to other killers. It's good to give yourself a break because you can get burned out on one killer. You can also get too in your head with one killer because when you mess up it hurts more. You get more easily tilted because you may think because you play them all the time you should be better but getting in your own head ends up causing more mistakes and makes you feel worse. Playing a different killer not only gives you a breather but forces you to try a different playstyle which can be refreshing. If you play a new killer and you mess up you won't get as tilted because you'll think "oh I never play them, that makes sense" and you'll be more open to learning from mistakes. Once you get in a better headspace head back to Slinger you'll probably feel better.
Edit to add: play Trapper, I love him but he gets no love. 😢
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@KateMain86 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2738535#Comment_2738535
Leatherface's skin color is irrelevant to his FICTIONAL DESIGN. You literally ignored that aspect of him and made it about his skin color. Leatherface is a psychopathic killer. The things he does match his character. As I said and as you keep ignoring, there is NOTHING intrinsically offensive about the cosmetics or any killer players using them. You want it to be racist when its not. You're trying to find racism where it doesn't exist. If a person can't discern between fiction and reality then that is their problem. Also, since when the hell do you speak for black people who play this game? Let them speak for themselves because I am quite certain not every black person who plays this game was offended by these cosmetics so please stop speaking like you're the spokesperson of all black people who play DBD. I don't care if you watch a few youtube videos of people trying to explain how these cosmetics are somehow offensive. A lot of people play this game and their voice matters just as much as the next regardless if they are a streamer, youtuber or whatever. The definition of racism is changing everyday to include things that are not intrinsically offensive and when this happens innocent people who are not racist by any means are being made out to be racist which is heinous and wrong so forgive me for not caring what someone has to say in a video with a title like that.
Many black players have spoken up and given evidence to BHVR of smartface being racist and being used as a tool for racism. Many non-black players agreed and spoke up to BHVR. BHVR has agreed that the mask is blackface and a tool for racism so the mask is being removed.
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I heard it, I'm not a fan. It's kind of annoying and sounds like whoever is singing is trying too hard to sound creepy. I hope it's not a new lullaby for her, hers is so perfect right now and I continue hearing it into the next match.
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@KateMain86 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2738006#Comment_2738006
Its not... intrinsically... racist or offensive. The title of that video you linked me is "Blackface Leatherface: Stop using Lore to 'disguise' your racism." No one who is arguing from the lore as to why its not racist is a racist. That is such a heinous thing to say or assume about someone. I'm not a racist and neither is anyone who doesn't want these cosmetics removed. The people that caused problems with them don't care that they are being removed. This isn't a win for anyone but the trolls. No one who ever used these cosmetics in game is a racist unless they blatantly said something racist after the match.
Did you watch the video or did you just get offended by the title? Kind of like how a black person may get offended seeing a literal black face worn by a white man in a game? If you haven't you should watch the video because it is very informative.
It's a win for the black players that won't be reminded of a terrible intrinsically racist history of black face everytime they have a match against a smart face Bubba.
It's nice for you that you don't find the mask to be racist but there are enough that do, including the devs, that it's getting removed. When you wear it as killer you don't even see the cosmetic - the only people seeing the cosmetic are the survivors, survivors that may be black and are reminded about the horrible history of blackface and racism in real life as they spend an entire match trying to not get killed by a white man literally wearing a black face.
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@voiceofguns27 said:
I can't tell you how many times I still get trades on pallet drops when playing survivor. Playing killer, the exact opposite applies.
Same. 😂 Also tons of hooks right next to eachother when I'm survivor, only like 5 hooks including the basement when I'm killer. 😂
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@KateMain86 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2733394#Comment_2733394
Except... its not black face. Its a killer who's theme it is to wear the face of his victims. There can be NO argument made that the smartface cosmetic is intrinsically racist or offensive. These are fictional characters and people need to realize the difference between fiction and reality. I'm pretty sure in the fictional setting leatherface doesn't give a crap what color your skin is. And again, if its the PLAYERS causing problems with it as you said then the PLAYERS doing it need to be held accountable. This is a non issue made into an issue by people who think there is something intrinsically offensive about a cosmetic that literally fits the theme of the killer. If things are said in the post game chat that are racist or someone goes into someone's stream and says racist things that is one thing but within the trial there is nothing racist about using any cosmetic on a killer and interacting with any survivor.
Devs now see it as blackface (as Not Queen said in that clip) and as a tool used by racists to harass players. As of mid-chapter patch it will be gone. No argument on why some players want to keep it will change that, especially after multiple news sources have reported "Dead by Daylight removes Leatherface mask over blackface complaints."
As for lore excuse DBD Fog Whisperer Milady Confetti did a great video on that.
https://youtu.be/m4PngxAf0MI -