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So... the fact that killers require BL3 to even get a hit on a survivor who is looping, doesn´t worry you?
Because after the nerf, killers won´t even get that hit. We´ll get something that is close to the old infinite. Survivors will be able to loop the killer for 5 gens without even getting hit.This sounds amazing for survivors. They can finally create some Ochido style videos, where they loop the killer till daylight and then claim how ez it was. Survivors will be able to get all 4 survivors out for almost every match.
If only the lobbies wouldn´t take so long...
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That´s what i´ve been telling the whole day.
If a killer can´t catch a survivor with BL2 right now, he won´t be able to catch a survivor with the new BL3. Survivors will just loop him almost indefinitely. This is a huge nerf for killers, which shouldn´t need BL in the first place, to catch a slower survivor. But because survivors abuse the difference in the collision (or hit) box, they can loop the killer.Only solution i see, would be to make the box the same size. No more fat shaming.
Devs have lost their mind, if they think nerfing BL right now would be a good thing.
Survivors will get exactly what they want. A ez match, where they can experience the thrill of a chase, but no real danger. Good enough to make a funny YT video and BM the killer.
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@Milo said:
@SovererignKing said:
SenzuDuck said:@Tsulan said:
Here are the devs explaining what face camping is/was and all the other types of camping.
Enjoy!
So you're saying killers can no longer stand within 1 meter of survivors?
(hint, I've seen it happen even after the update)
please, continue to tell me how face camping doesn't exist.
Killers can’t body block the hook to remove the hook prompt. That’s what facecamping was. Though just like so many whining Survivors, you changed the definition of the word to suit your argument for justification. Bravo.
Let's change the word then! The Almost facecamp. Now are you happy?
The word you are searching for is HARD camping.
I shall not rest, untill everyone says hard camping instead of face camping! -
@SenzuDuck said:
@Tsulan said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@Tsulan said:
And what happens once their feet hit the ground? Sprint Burst kicks in. Now the killer can´t connect a hit, the survivor reaches the next pallet and looping starts all over again.
Btw. Invisible is something else.Lol, as if the lunge animation isn't so long that it'll cancel out the sprint burst anyway.
Also, if you're that close when unhooking you're pretty much facecamping anyway.I used invincibility previously in the post so you know what I meant, I made a typo. Get off your little high horse, correcting spelling for a word I've already used correctly in the previous sentence just makes you look awful.
I´m not the one on a high horse who makes fun of other posts. I just pointed out that it´s a completely different thing. Not just a typo.
But doesn´t feel good to get corrected does it?
Don´t worry, i won´t hurt your feelings anymore. I promise.Sprint Burst makes the survivor immune to a hit, since the hit registration doesn´t work. That´s the whole point about it. Also face camping doesn´t exist anymore. It was removed back in october 2017.
Would you like to know more?You're so childish and condescending. I don't make fun or troll posts. I give my opinion and other people don't like it because it requires them to adjust to the updates become better killers/Survivors.
Also being corrected on a word I've used correctly in the sentence doesn't bother me, it just shows your immaturity to have an actual conversation.
"Sprint Burst Makes Survivor Immune"
oh my god, you must not play killer at all, I'm sorry for accusing you of being that. I've hit plenty of survivors as their sprint burst activates.
Also, just a little tid bit for you - exhaustion runs down on the hook naturally, no one seems to be complaining about this but suddenly it's super OP because it'll be cleared regardless of how long you're on the hook for? LOL
"Also face camping doesn´t exist anymore. It was removed back in october 2017.
Would you like to know more?"Face camping is the act of standing infront of the survivor while they're hooked, so you're guaranteed a hit on them or the other person when they're being unhooked. It doesn't matter what angle you get pulled off from, a killer can still stand an inch away from you - AKA FACE CAMPING.
God you need to learn some more about this game before trying to be rude, lol.
Hold ma beer.
@SenzuDuck said:
WHAT BUFFS? LOL
@SenzuDuck said:
"longer invincibility after being unhooked" Dude, do you even listen to anything? They're invisible until their feet touch the ground. it's not like they're running around unhittable. YOU LITERALLY HIT THEM A FEW FRAMES LATER ITS NOT A BUFF ITS A MINOR CHANGE TO AT LEAST GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO ESCAPE HOLY COW.Do you think they're just letting survivors run around with i frames until the next pallet? jesus.
Lol, as if the lunge animation isn't so long that it'll cancel out the sprint burst anyway.
Also, if you're that close when unhooking you're pretty much facecamping anyway.I used invincibility previously in the post so you know what I meant, I made a typo. Get off your little high horse, correcting spelling for a word I've already used correctly in the previous sentence just makes you look awful.
https://youtu.be/DzEosOqhDpk?t=16m55sHere are the devs explaining what face camping is/was and all the other types of camping.
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@TheXenoborg said:
@Tsulan said:
@TheXenoborg said:
They better add AI killers once they add in-built Kindred.The tutorial lvl already has AI killers. Now they only need to show them how to run in circles and they are good to go.
That shouldn't be hard to code, but then the devs don't know how to code, so I doubt it.
Fair point.
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@TheXenoborg said:
They better add AI killers once they add in-built Kindred.The tutorial lvl already has AI killers. Now they only need to show them how to run in circles and they are good to go.
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@azazer said:
@Bbbrian2013
They also said that by making survivors more powerful it opens killers to be more powerful. Survivors get a little something now, killers get a little more laterSo killers will see the next buff in 4-5 months? Sounds promising...
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@SenzuDuck said:
@Tsulan said:
And what happens once their feet hit the ground? Sprint Burst kicks in. Now the killer can´t connect a hit, the survivor reaches the next pallet and looping starts all over again.
Btw. Invisible is something else.Lol, as if the lunge animation isn't so long that it'll cancel out the sprint burst anyway.
Also, if you're that close when unhooking you're pretty much facecamping anyway.I used invincibility previously in the post so you know what I meant, I made a typo. Get off your little high horse, correcting spelling for a word I've already used correctly in the previous sentence just makes you look awful.
I´m not the one on a high horse who makes fun of other posts. I just pointed out that it´s a completely different thing. Not just a typo.
But doesn´t feel good to get corrected does it?
Don´t worry, i won´t hurt your feelings anymore. I promise.Sprint Burst makes the survivor immune to a hit, since the hit registration doesn´t work. That´s the whole point about it. Also face camping doesn´t exist anymore. It was removed back in october 2017.
Would you like to know more? -
@Gay Myers (Luzi) said:
You need to kill 25 of each required survivor.Wasn´t that supposed to be a secret?
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Yeah man!
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@SenzuDuck said:
@Tsulan said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@Tsulan said:
With the upcoming BL nerf and the other survivor buffs the game will finally reach the point where all survivors escape every match. Survivors get their nice thrill of getting hunted with no real danger and they can create a funny YT video for their friends.Killers then have to be strong and don´t adapt. It will be hard for a time, but once you get used to 0 kills every match it gets easier. Survivors will tell killers to git gud. But killers need to stay strong and accept the loss. Because if killers adapt like they did in the past, they will only get more nerfs. But if killers stay strong and don´t adapt, they´ll get buffed like survivors did. Because survivors will complain on the forum that they can´t find any matches on high ranks.
WHAT BUFFS? LOL
Commenting on a Q&A thread and laughting because you haven´t informed yourself.
Buffs like integrated Kindred for every survivor. Longer invincibillity after being unhooked, exhaustion refreshing on the hook so they can use sprint burst right off the hook.
I consider those strong buffs."longer invincibility after being unhooked" Dude, do you even listen to anything? They're invisible until their feet touch the ground. it's not like they're running around unhittable. YOU LITERALLY HIT THEM A FEW FRAMES LATER ITS NOT A BUFF ITS A MINOR CHANGE TO AT LEAST GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO ESCAPE HOLY COW.
Do you think they're just letting survivors run around with i frames until the next pallet? jesus.
And what happens once their feet hit the ground? Sprint Burst kicks in. Now the killer can´t connect a hit, the survivor reaches the next pallet and looping starts all over again.
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@powerbats said:
@Tsulan said:
Marth plays PC with a controller. Don´t know which region tho.
Just a example. Yesterday i had a match, where 3 gens poped by the time i downed the first survivor as Freddy. It wasn´t a long chase or looping. But simply the size of the map (swamp).
If survivors are dedicated to finish the gen, then it takes less than 80 seconds for a single survivor to do it. Most chases take longer than 80 seconds, IF the survivor starts looping.He might be EU then like a lot of others are at least pc side and yeah sometimes matches go really quick but in most cases it's either the killer does it or survivors do based on map rng and killer choice. Freddy on Swamp I've never run into and that seems like a really bad map for him due to lOS issues.
Yeah it´s a bad map for him. But i think Crotus Penn is the worst. Since i can´t see #########, when i enter the building. Pitchblack
He really needs a complete overhaul.
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@Mc_Harty said:
@Tsulan said:
Not only a down vote button. But people claiming to be a killer or survivor main.
You know, those people that try to make their point more valid by saying in the first phrase "i´m a sandwich main"Oh god, I [BAD WORD] hate those people sometimes.
It's like a Tumblr argument. As a Non-Genetic, you're wrong.
I mean I'm guilty of the same ######### sometimes, but I don't go parading my opinion as fact whenever it happens. It's mostly just to bring discussion into the table.
Good!
We finally agree!
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@SenzuDuck said:
@Tsulan said:
With the upcoming BL nerf and the other survivor buffs the game will finally reach the point where all survivors escape every match. Survivors get their nice thrill of getting hunted with no real danger and they can create a funny YT video for their friends.Killers then have to be strong and don´t adapt. It will be hard for a time, but once you get used to 0 kills every match it gets easier. Survivors will tell killers to git gud. But killers need to stay strong and accept the loss. Because if killers adapt like they did in the past, they will only get more nerfs. But if killers stay strong and don´t adapt, they´ll get buffed like survivors did. Because survivors will complain on the forum that they can´t find any matches on high ranks.
WHAT BUFFS? LOL
Commenting on a Q&A thread and laughting because you haven´t informed yourself.
Buffs like integrated Kindred for every survivor. Longer invincibillity after being unhooked, exhaustion refreshing on the hook so they can use sprint burst right off the hook.
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BL is useless, since it´s only a bandaid to fix the looping problem, which was created unintentionally by giving killers and survivors different collision boxes.
Killer is supposed to be faster than the survivor, but because of the different collision boxes (also known as fat shaming), that speed bonus is nullified.Now a killer who can´t catch a survivor for 15 seconds with BL2 won´t be able to catch a survivor with the new BL3. Mindgames will vanish and survivors will loop even more than ever.
Resistance is futile. If killers adapt and try to git gud, the devs will find something else to nerf killers.
Survivors won´t be happy unless everyone escapes every match. -
Not only a down vote button. But people claiming to be a killer or survivor main.
You know, those people that try to make their point more valid by saying in the first phrase "i´m a sandwich main" -
@Mc_Harty said:
@Tsulan said:
Oh sorry, i really thought you never actually played killer because you considered Fire Up a uselful perk.
Would you consider using DH, Lithe and Adrenaline in the same build?Before the exhaustion nerf, I would definitely say you would have had a good build.
Now I'm not so sure... Maybe replace one of them with something else that takes longer for the killer to get you.
I already demonstrated that i play both, since i brought up useful builds for both survivors and killers. Where am i victimizing or saying that i´m a main?
You just said you were down voted by survivor mains. That alone brings up the victim complex.
Oh i also got downvoted in a different thread from killer mains.
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@SovererignKing said:
SenzuDuck said:@SovererignKing said:
SenzuDuck said:
@SovererignKing said: SenzuDuck said:
@SovererignKing said: You mean a chance to activate Sprint Burst or Dead Hard with impunity immediately after an unhook. Now with even more I-frames. Because that’s what Survivors need, more I frames. I'd love to know all about their invincibility frames. If you aren't a camping killer you won't be there when they're unhooked anyway, lol. Sprint Burst has I-frames due to hit box registers being unable to “keep up” with placing the Survivors hit box to be overlapped the Killers active hit box when swinging. Dead Hard has 3 invincibility frames flat out. As you know. Now the developers want to give invincibility frames right off the hook as well. “If you aren’t a camper, it won’t effect you” ... Where have I heard that before... oh right. Here we go :
That was the same excuse Survivors used to justify how broken the old Borrowed Time was. How badly it promoted hook rushing. How it punished Killers who didn’t camp as well. Hey, look! A video made before the well deserved borrowed time nerf. Neeeext! Hey look! Someone who doesn’t realize the similarities!
This new unhook feature will be abused to hurt those who don’t camp as well.
Given the new borrowed time the video is irrelevant. now the claudette would have been downed and he would have hooked her. This issue has been addressed.
“Those who do not learn from their mistakes are doomed to repeat them.”
”#########! He found me!”
“Come grab me off the hook! I’ll Dead Hard/Sprint Burst away to safety or go to a Loop for free cause he can’t hit me right off he hook!”All this will do is promote Hook Rushing. Hell, if the Killer is far enough away, it’s a freebie for both doing the unhook and the hooked person. Won’t even have to use Borrowed Time anymore and risk the Killer chasing the guy till the timer runs out. Most of all combined with the “status ailments reset on being hooked” so there is no chance to be exhausted so you can’t use your exhaustion perk.
In fact, it’s even worse than the old BT. Now the unhooked guy is guaranteed to get to take off to a Loop, and Loop the crap out of the Killer for his one health state because he doesn’t have a timer ticking down till he falls.
With the upcoming BL nerf and the other survivor buffs the game will finally reach the point where all survivors escape every match. Survivors get their nice thrill of getting hunted with no real danger and they can create a funny YT video for their friends.
Killers then have to be strong and don´t adapt. It will be hard for a time, but once you get used to 0 kills every match it gets easier. Survivors will tell killers to git gud. But killers need to stay strong and accept the loss. Because if killers adapt like they did in the past, they will only get more nerfs. But if killers stay strong and don´t adapt, they´ll get buffed like survivors did. Because survivors will complain on the forum that they can´t find any matches on high ranks.
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@SenzuDuck said:
@SovererignKing said:
SenzuDuck said:@SovererignKing said:
SenzuDuck said:
@SovererignKing said: You mean a chance to activate Sprint Burst or Dead Hard with impunity immediately after an unhook. Now with even more I-frames. Because that’s what Survivors need, more I frames. I'd love to know all about their invincibility frames. If you aren't a camping killer you won't be there when they're unhooked anyway, lol. Sprint Burst has I-frames due to hit box registers being unable to “keep up” with placing the Survivors hit box to be overlapped the Killers active hit box when swinging. Dead Hard has 3 invincibility frames flat out. As you know. Now the developers want to give invincibility frames right off the hook as well. “If you aren’t a camper, it won’t effect you” ... Where have I heard that before... oh right. Here we go :
That was the same excuse Survivors used to justify how broken the old Borrowed Time was. How badly it promoted hook rushing. How it punished Killers who didn’t camp as well.
Hey, look! A video made before the well deserved borrowed time nerf. Neeeext!
Hey look! Someone who doesn’t realize the similarities!
This new unhook feature will be abused to hurt those who don’t camp as well.
Given the new borrowed time the video is irrelevant. now the claudette would have been downed and he would have hooked her. This issue has been addressed.
I agree on this issue.
Please don´t tell anyone. I´ve got a reputation to lose. -
@Mc_Harty said:
@Tsulan said:
You asked me for 4 perks that synergize for survivors at all time, while bringing the killers version of Deja Vu (pre patch) as a useful perk (Fire UP), just to get 4 perks for killers. Then you changed to "4 perks that synergize during a chase". Then you changed again to "4 perks that help prolong the chase", and so on, and so on.My words exactly. Name 4 perks that do the same for survivors. Not synergies well with each other.
Killers want to end chases quickly. The survivor equivalent of that is to extend them. Since survivors love to be chased as evident by how many killers are complaining that they can't catch that one guy that plays so perfectly.
It's also completely disingenuous to dismiss Fire Up since it's a perk that helps with chases. It doesn't matter how little it actually benefits you as killer, it still helps you consistently throughout the match.
Inbefore Thanaphobia can't be used with other generator stall perks to synergies a build with them (Like Dying Light, Overcharge, Ruin).
You get the idea.
Basically you changed the subject each time i presented you 4 survivor perks that synergize perfectly. Unlike killers which really struggle to get 4 perks that synergize (that´s why you had to bring in Fire UP)
I brought in Fire Up because it helps in chases. Lol ######### are you on?
Now to the unrelated topic of the "whataboutism". I expressed an unpopular opinion and got a ton of downvotes from survivor mains. Which thought this forum works like Reddit, where people can burry a comment under downvotes, so no one can see that opinion. Funny how a survivor main commented on the survivor sub forum about how bad it is, that survivors can´t even comment on their own forum without getting toxic comments. While failing to present ANY toxic comments from others.
Because everyone who disagree with you are survivor mains. Of [BAD WORD] course. Stop with the killer versus survivor mentality.
Jesus Christ the victim complex.
Thx again for all the attention. You just made my day, by showing me, that you really care about what i write.
Sadly i can´t remember any of your threads. (appart from the 1 mentioned above).Mostly because I don't make threads kek.
Oh sorry, i really thought you never actually played killer because you considered Fire Up a uselful perk.
Would you consider using DH, Lithe and Adrenaline in the same build?
I already demonstrated that i play both, since i brought up useful builds for both survivors and killers. Where am i victimizing or saying that i´m a main? -
@MegMain98 said:
Hillbilly420 said:You could write a book on the number of useless Killer perks. INB4 a guy pops in "No! There's this one gimmick build that works with this one Killer so it's not worthless!" Then he uses an extremely dated meme and thinks he won the argument.
Beast of Prey: complete garbage.
Blood Warden: too situational and countered by an SWF squad.
Fire Up: complete garbage.
Distressing: complete garbage except on Doctor.
Deer Stalker: pointless because there's other better tracking perks.
Dying Light: not terrible but too situational. Only works on Freddy if you use the Black Box add-on.
Iron Grasp: complete garbage.
Devour Hope: complete garbage.
Third Seal: complete garbage.
Huntress Lullaby: complete garbage
Knock Out: hard countered by SWF.
Make Your Choice: pointless except on Hag and Nurse.
Unrelenting: complete garbage.
Monstrous Shrine: complete garbage.
Overcharge: complete garbage.
Overwhelming Presence: complete garbage
Spies from the Shadows: complete garbage.
Surveillance: complete garbage.
Thanatophobia: complete garbage.
Some people defend Thana but honestly you have to couple it with other perks that slow them down like Dying Light or Coulrophobia or Unnerving Presence. Which takes up at least 2 slots. And that's two less slots that can help you with the most important part of the game: the chase.
I do not agree with Fire Up, Deerstalker, Iron Grasp, Devour Hope, Lullaby, and Thanatophobia. The ONLY perks that are “utter garbage” is Beast of Prey, Unrelenting, Monstrous Shrine, Spies, and Surveillance.
Fire Up is not that great except on Myers.
Deerstalker can find that one last survivor if you start slugging
Iron Grasp is used for a lot of basement builds and can be the difference between a survivor being hooked or them wiggling free
Devour Hope is garbage how? It is an insta-down at three stacks and a mori at five. If it isn’t broken, it’s great
Lullaby has it’s purpose and can psych out survivors easily
Thanatophobia is used by A LOT of killers and has a purpose.
Not every killer has to use the same perks to be successful (BBQ, Ruin, A Nurses Calling)
Care to explain why you think Fire Up is useful on Myers? It´s a 0.2 second bonus with full stacks. That´s a blink of an eye.
Devour Hope is only great if it doesn´t get cleansed. Every killer would stop camping and use this perk, IF it wasn´t a Hex perk. I consider all Hex perks trash. Since they are not "high risk, high reward" how they should be.
Thanatophobia gives 10-15 seconds extra time if you manage to injure everyone. To really make a difference, it´s bonus should be somewhere between 50 and 75%.
The reason killers use it, is the same they are using Ruin. Even if they only get 30 seconds of more game time, it´s worth it, since the game only lasts 4 minutes. -
@Twix said:
Tsulan said:@Twix said:
Tsulan said:
@Twix said: Tsulan said:
@Twix said: Tsulan said:
@Twix said: More crying lol, not surprised tbh. I’m mostly a survivor main (I do play killer tho) and I was happy with the Exhaustion changes along with the perk reworks, but now you talk about Survivors getting some kind of buff and in comes the crying once more. I´m not crying. I just asked a reasonable question. Since the review bombers have damaged the reviews of DbD and got themselfs buffs for it. I´m curious what´s the next step for them. Or if it´s just a "on the fly" thing to upvote or down vote a game depending on the daily mood. You’re not asking any question, you’re simply trying to spread more toxicty by poking at said “review bombers” to initiate what I’ll assume is some sort of arguement. Grow up would you? Balance works both ways (even though I don’t agree with some of the planned changes), you guys got pallet nerfs, exhaustion nerf, specific killer buffs, amazing perk reworks(for both sides), incoming DS nerf, etc. @Tsulan said:
After the last Q&A, are you going to revert the negative reviews, since you get a huge buff? Or will you keep it and pressure the devs for even more buffs? ^ those are questions
Once again, you disguise it as questions, but it’s just a poor attempt at starting an argument with said “review bombers.” I’ll repeat myself - grow up. I´d say we are arguing (on a poor level, because no one is really trying to argument, but hey, it´s better than nothing). Since you clicked and commented, is it save to assume you are one of the review bombers? Uh, I literally said I agreed with the exhaustion changes and perk reworks?... It’s either 1) too late for you, in which case you should go sleep or 2) you need glasses. There’s a difference between arguing and suggesting that you should grow up and not attempt to rile up “review bombers.” See, I’m trying to do good and stop spreading toxicity as an ambassador for both Survivor/Killer play, but you on the other hand just want to start arguments.
Ex: I agree with some killer buff and survivors nerfs, just like I agree with some survivor buffs and killer nerfs. 50/50
I just love a good argument. I even have several comments on my profile from people that were surprised how nice i could argue. I don´t insult or attack anyone on a personal level. (maybe you noticed how i got attacked).
I didn´t mention the exhausion changes, since i didn´t found that relevant to the current discussion.
I´m really just trying to get into the mind of those review bombers to find out how they tick. What´s their motivation (obviously reverting the changes, but maybe there´s more), and what their plans are. Since i don´t use the steam forum anymore and i don´t want to ask every review bomber personally, i opened this thread.
I play both survivor and killer on rank 1. I find playing survivor incredible relaxing, where i can play and drink at the same time. Have a good laugh if i play in SWF, and enjoy myself. At the same time, killer is really stressful. I feel under constant pressure, because gens pop so fast while i just can´t reach that survivor who is supposed to be slower than me.
For me it feels like the roles are reversed. Killers job should be relaxing and survivor should be under constant pressure. Or at least that´s the impression i got from every horror movie ever.
Well, the review bombs started, because of the exhaustion nerf, so while it might not be relevant to the “questions” you’re asking, it is relevant to the reason as to why DbD got review bombed.
Anyway, it’s choice 1 for me, so I’ll leave you to your argument/discussion with those review bombers you want to talk to, good luck and I hope no one gets upset.
Since no one of the review bombers answered yet (maybe they don´t visit the forum). What do you think about the review bombs and the last Q&A video?
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@Mc_Harty said:
@Tsulan said:
"There´s a difference there" means it´s the equivalent of playing the full game?
What??
BTW. How did the perks i recommended you work out for you? Ohh wait, yes i almost forgot. You were only trolling. Nevermind then.I'm not the one that brought up that players who aren't interested in PTB are sabotaging the game.
Also it's amazing how you bring up those perks up when I clearly stated that I was trying to find 4 survivor perks that all work around the same time that help extend chases. Since you claimed before that killers can't use 4 perks at once during a chase to help end it.
BTW if we're going to bring up everything unrelated to this topic, tell me. Did you feel happier now that down votes are gone? If memory serves you made 2 separate posts because you couldn't handle that you got down voted while arguing about 'Whataboutism'.
Poor you.
Aww man i love to get in touch with one of my fans! You really brought a smile on my face.
Don´t forget to smash that Awesome button on my comment!You asked me for 4 perks that synergize for survivors at all time, while bringing the killers version of Deja Vu (pre patch) as a useful perk (Fire UP), just to get 4 perks for killers. Then you changed to "4 perks that synergize during a chase". Then you changed again to "4 perks that help prolong the chase", and so on, and so on.
Basically you changed the subject each time i presented you 4 survivor perks that synergize perfectly. Unlike killers which really struggle to get 4 perks that synergize (that´s why you had to bring in Fire UP)Now to the unrelated topic of the "whataboutism". I expressed an unpopular opinion and got a ton of downvotes from survivor mains. Which thought this forum works like Reddit, where people can burry a comment under downvotes, so no one can see that opinion. Funny how a survivor main commented on the survivor sub forum about how bad it is, that survivors can´t even comment on their own forum without getting toxic comments. While failing to present ANY toxic comments from others.
Thx again for all the attention. You just made my day, by showing me, that you really care about what i write.
Sadly i can´t remember any of your threads. (appart from the 1 mentioned above).Have a glorious day!
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@Twix said:
Tsulan said:@Twix said:
Tsulan said:
@Twix said: Tsulan said:
@Twix said: More crying lol, not surprised tbh. I’m mostly a survivor main (I do play killer tho) and I was happy with the Exhaustion changes along with the perk reworks, but now you talk about Survivors getting some kind of buff and in comes the crying once more. I´m not crying. I just asked a reasonable question. Since the review bombers have damaged the reviews of DbD and got themselfs buffs for it. I´m curious what´s the next step for them. Or if it´s just a "on the fly" thing to upvote or down vote a game depending on the daily mood. You’re not asking any question, you’re simply trying to spread more toxicty by poking at said “review bombers” to initiate what I’ll assume is some sort of arguement. Grow up would you? Balance works both ways (even though I don’t agree with some of the planned changes), you guys got pallet nerfs, exhaustion nerf, specific killer buffs, amazing perk reworks(for both sides), incoming DS nerf, etc. @Tsulan said:
After the last Q&A, are you going to revert the negative reviews, since you get a huge buff? Or will you keep it and pressure the devs for even more buffs? ^ those are questions
Once again, you disguise it as questions, but it’s just a poor attempt at starting an argument with said “review bombers.” I’ll repeat myself - grow up.
I´d say we are arguing (on a poor level, because no one is really trying to argument, but hey, it´s better than nothing).
Since you clicked and commented, is it save to assume you are one of the review bombers?
Uh, I literally said I agreed with the exhaustion changes and perk reworks?...
It’s either 1) too late for you, in which case you should go sleep or 2) you need glasses.
There’s a difference between arguing and suggesting that you should grow up and not attempt to rile up “review bombers.” See, I’m trying to do good and stop spreading toxicity as an ambassador for both Survivor/Killer play, but you on the other hand just want to start arguments.
Ex: I agree with some killer buff and survivors nerfs, just like I agree with some survivor buffs and killer nerfs. 50/50
I just love a good argument. I even have several comments on my profile from people that were surprised how nice i could argue. I don´t insult or attack anyone on a personal level. (maybe you noticed how i got attacked).
I didn´t mention the exhausion changes, since i didn´t found that relevant to the current discussion.
I´m really just trying to get into the mind of those review bombers to find out how they tick. What´s their motivation (obviously reverting the changes, but maybe there´s more), and what their plans are. Since i don´t use the steam forum anymore and i don´t want to ask every review bomber personally, i opened this thread.
I play both survivor and killer on rank 1. I find playing survivor incredible relaxing, where i can play and drink at the same time. Have a good laugh if i play in SWF, and enjoy myself. At the same time, killer is really stressful. I feel under constant pressure, because gens pop so fast while i just can´t reach that survivor who is supposed to be slower than me.
For me it feels like the roles are reversed. Killers job should be relaxing and survivor should be under constant pressure. Or at least that´s the impression i got from every horror movie ever. -
@powerbats said:
@Tsulan said:
Oh i just made a resume of the different logic traps survivors actually do, with a strong amount of sarcasm.
3-4 matches on rank 1 are not the killers fault. Or please enlighten me on how 1 killer can keep 4 people off gens at the same time? If the killer chases 1, the other 3 do gens. If the killer breaks the chase to go for a easier target, there are still 3 survivors doing gens. Maybe it´s different on consoles, but on PC, survivors usually don´t [BAD WORD] around and get out. Of course, there are some people which don´t belong to rank 1, but somehow play at that rank and don´t unhook or use meme builds. But a killer can´t count on those things every match.
Maybe take a look at Marth88 and tell me, what all the rank 1 killers did wrong.
Apologies since that was on 3 hours of sleep but some things to point out.
You should've specified you were generalizing there for the logic trap since it looked like you were referring to me. Also killers do the same thing but on both sides it's the outliers that do that.
If 3-4 minutes matches are the norm then yes that's the killers fault since bnp fix that doesn't happen hardly ever.Around 95% of my rank 1-2 matches that end early or with no to 1 sac are because someone was doing a daily.
3.What does Marth play on anyways same as some of the others? I'm wondering if perhaps consoles the killers are at a more serious disadvantage perhaps.
- Yes on pc most survivors don't tend to screw around at rank 1-2, but even when they don't most games don't end that quickly. The few that do end that quickly on killers not doing dailies on champs they suck at the map rng isn't good. I've had games where Freddy's just destroy although it helps on wide open maps Cough Cold wind any Cough. The same is true for some others as well that normally you wouldn't think are good but hen well played combined with map rng it's a slugheterfest.
5.I totally agree that some at rank 1 don't really belong there and hopefully once they start going after all the baddies that hack/lag switch on both sides etc the ranks will really thin out.
Craaap forgot to ask this but what region does Marth play in as well as platform?
Marth plays PC with a controller. Don´t know which region tho.
Just a example. Yesterday i had a match, where 3 gens poped by the time i downed the first survivor as Freddy. It wasn´t a long chase or looping. But simply the size of the map (swamp).
If survivors are dedicated to finish the gen, then it takes less than 80 seconds for a single survivor to do it. Most chases take longer than 80 seconds, IF the survivor starts looping. -
The BL nerf will remove all mind games. The fact that the killer had to reach BL3 to get a hit on the survivor, just shows how unbalanced the whole looping mechanic is. If the killer wasn´t able to get a hit with the old BL2 for 15 seconds, he won´t get a hit with the new BL3. Survivors will just loop the killer indefinitely and call it skill.
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@Lowbei said:
Tsulan said:@SenzuDuck said:
@Lowbei said:
i figured halfway thru that i should be more specific for you in case you had any followup questions
Nope, no follow up questions.
I accepted long ago that rank doesn't mean anything and just having fun is where it's at. So bragging about it on a forum is just as useless as bragging about forum stats on a forum so I find it best to avoid.
A person who never reached rank 1, shouldn´t be talking about balance.
true but unfortunately by this logic, the devs cant talk about balance.
Which is just sad and explains a lot about the ongoing problems of this game.
Devs should really hold regular matches against high rank players on both sides to see where the problems are.
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@SenzuDuck said:
@Tsulan said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@Tsulan said:
@SenzuDuck said:
Dude, are you for real?If you saw someone disarming a trap you'd step over it, this just makes sense.
Also, when this is happening you, as a killer aren't likely going to be anywhere near it when it happens, what's the issue?ALSO; if you are near it when it happens you just hit the survivor that's disarming.
Bloodlust needs nuking out of orbit, just like DS.
So... what you are saying is, that survivors should be able to loop a killer indefinitely?
If you don't think looping is necessary in this game you don't really understand it.
So looping is now necessary? I thought it was just the lazy way to waste the killers time, instead of actually learing to juke the killer and lose him.
My bad!"Learning to juke the killer"
Hey, bro... some killers are good and it's harder to juke them... just like some survivors are good and are harder to catch.... WOW would you look at that.
Running in circles by abusing the difference in killer and survivor collision box is nothing i would consider skill (or a good survivor).
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@Twix said:
Tsulan said:@Twix said:
Tsulan said:
@Twix said: More crying lol, not surprised tbh. I’m mostly a survivor main (I do play killer tho) and I was happy with the Exhaustion changes along with the perk reworks, but now you talk about Survivors getting some kind of buff and in comes the crying once more. I´m not crying. I just asked a reasonable question. Since the review bombers have damaged the reviews of DbD and got themselfs buffs for it. I´m curious what´s the next step for them. Or if it´s just a "on the fly" thing to upvote or down vote a game depending on the daily mood. You’re not asking any question, you’re simply trying to spread more toxicty by poking at said “review bombers” to initiate what I’ll assume is some sort of arguement. Grow up would you? Balance works both ways (even though I don’t agree with some of the planned changes), you guys got pallet nerfs, exhaustion nerf, specific killer buffs, amazing perk reworks(for both sides), incoming DS nerf, etc. @Tsulan said:
After the last Q&A, are you going to revert the negative reviews, since you get a huge buff? Or will you keep it and pressure the devs for even more buffs?
^ those are questions
Once again, you disguise it as questions, but it’s just a poor attempt at starting an argument with said “review bombers.” I’ll repeat myself - grow up.
I´d say we are arguing (on a poor level, because no one is really trying to argument, but hey, it´s better than nothing).
Since you clicked and commented, is it save to assume you are one of the review bombers?
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@Mc_Harty said:
@Tsulan said:
Might wanna reread everything. I said sabotage the PTB. Not the game. There is a difference there.
But then again, i´m talking to you.
LuLReread what I said. People that aren't interested in beta testing.
According to you testing out updates before they release is the equivalent of playing full game.
Then again what did I expect from a salt post...
Kek."There´s a difference there" means it´s the equivalent of playing the full game?
What??
BTW. How did the perks i recommended you work out for you? Ohh wait, yes i almost forgot. You were only trolling. Nevermind then. -
@SenzuDuck said:
@Tsulan said:
@SenzuDuck said:
Dude, are you for real?If you saw someone disarming a trap you'd step over it, this just makes sense.
Also, when this is happening you, as a killer aren't likely going to be anywhere near it when it happens, what's the issue?ALSO; if you are near it when it happens you just hit the survivor that's disarming.
Bloodlust needs nuking out of orbit, just like DS.
So... what you are saying is, that survivors should be able to loop a killer indefinitely?
If you don't think looping is necessary in this game you don't really understand it.
So looping is now necessary? I thought it was just the lazy way to waste the killers time, instead of actually learing to juke the killer and lose him.
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@SenzuDuck said:
@Tsulan said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@Tsulan said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@Tsulan said:
@SenzuDuck said:
"Huge Buff"Lol.
Would you call the exhaustion nerf a huge nerf or a minor nerf?
I'd call it the right direction.
It passed the PTB - The people wanted it, so it happened. Just like this up coming "huge" buff. If it passes it'll go in, along with the bloodlust change IF IT PASSES.
It hasn't even passed the PTB and you're already making posts moaning about it.
Just adapting to survivor main behavior.
I wonder if killers will sabotage the PTB just like survivors did, or if they actually give the devs some data.
If they sabotage it too, then the devs could just remove the PTB, since it´s pointless anyway.Sabotage the PTB? All the changes went through? Lmfao.
You Mains Vs Mains are delusional sometimes.Well how would you call the last PTB where survivors just didn´t participate because there was nothing in for them? I´d call that sabotage.
Where did i say i´m a main? Are you sure, you´re not the delusional one?
The same reason I stopped playing the PTB - I like earning blood points and spending them on my characters.
I consider the PTB a huge chance to actually influence the upcoming changes by giving the devs vital information. Maybe they could add the gained BPs to the normal account to give players some further incentives to balance the game.
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@Twix said:
Tsulan said:@Twix said:
More crying lol, not surprised tbh. I’m mostly a survivor main (I do play killer tho) and I was happy with the Exhaustion changes along with the perk reworks, but now you talk about Survivors getting some kind of buff and in comes the crying once more.
I´m not crying. I just asked a reasonable question. Since the review bombers have damaged the reviews of DbD and got themselfs buffs for it. I´m curious what´s the next step for them. Or if it´s just a "on the fly" thing to upvote or down vote a game depending on the daily mood.
You’re not asking any question, you’re simply trying to spread more toxicty by poking at said “review bombers” to initiate what I’ll assume is some sort of arguement. Grow up would you?
Balance works both ways (even though I don’t agree with some of the planned changes), you guys got pallet nerfs, exhaustion nerf, specific killer buffs, amazing perk reworks(for both sides), incoming DS nerf, etc.
@Tsulan said:
After the last Q&A, are you going to revert the negative reviews, since you get a huge buff? Or will you keep it and pressure the devs for even more buffs?^ those are questions
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Might wanna reread everything. I said sabotage the PTB. Not the game. There is a difference there.
But then again, i´m talking to you.
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@SenzuDuck said:
Dude, are you for real?If you saw someone disarming a trap you'd step over it, this just makes sense.
Also, when this is happening you, as a killer aren't likely going to be anywhere near it when it happens, what's the issue?ALSO; if you are near it when it happens you just hit the survivor that's disarming.
Bloodlust needs nuking out of orbit, just like DS.
So... what you are saying is, that survivors should be able to loop a killer indefinitely?
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@Twix said:
More crying lol, not surprised tbh. I’m mostly a survivor main (I do play killer tho) and I was happy with the Exhaustion changes along with the perk reworks, but now you talk about Survivors getting some kind of buff and in comes the crying once more.I´m not crying. I just asked a reasonable question. Since the review bombers have damaged the reviews of DbD and got themselfs buffs for it. I´m curious what´s the next step for them. Or if it´s just a "on the fly" thing to upvote or down vote a game depending on the daily mood.
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@SenzuDuck said:
@Tsulan said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@Tsulan said:
@SenzuDuck said:
"Huge Buff"Lol.
Would you call the exhaustion nerf a huge nerf or a minor nerf?
I'd call it the right direction.
It passed the PTB - The people wanted it, so it happened. Just like this up coming "huge" buff. If it passes it'll go in, along with the bloodlust change IF IT PASSES.
It hasn't even passed the PTB and you're already making posts moaning about it.
Just adapting to survivor main behavior.
I wonder if killers will sabotage the PTB just like survivors did, or if they actually give the devs some data.
If they sabotage it too, then the devs could just remove the PTB, since it´s pointless anyway.Sabotage the PTB? All the changes went through? Lmfao.
You Mains Vs Mains are delusional sometimes.Well how would you call the last PTB where survivors just didn´t participate because there was nothing in for them? I´d call that sabotage.
Where did i say i´m a main? Are you sure, you´re not the delusional one?
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@SenzuDuck said:
@Tsulan said:
@SenzuDuck said:
"Huge Buff"Lol.
Would you call the exhaustion nerf a huge nerf or a minor nerf?
I'd call it the right direction.
It passed the PTB - The people wanted it, so it happened. Just like this up coming "huge" buff. If it passes it'll go in, along with the bloodlust change IF IT PASSES.
It hasn't even passed the PTB and you're already making posts moaning about it.
Just adapting to survivor main behavior.
I wonder if killers will sabotage the PTB just like survivors did, or if they actually give the devs some data.
If they sabotage it too, then the devs could just remove the PTB, since it´s pointless anyway. -
@SenzuDuck said:
Recently they said in their Twitch Stream (Last Weeks) that they aren't going to touch Self-Care anymore.
Just so you know.DS can get screwed though - it's an awful perk.
After the BL nerf, DS should really get a buff. Survivors should be able to use it every ######### time they get downed. When i loop a killer for 5 gens, i really deserve to get that free escape. After all, the killer lost the mindgame.
YES, THIS IS SARCASM!
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@SenzuDuck said:
"Huge Buff"Lol.
Would you call the exhaustion nerf a huge nerf or a minor nerf?
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@SenzuDuck said:
@Lowbei said:
i figured halfway thru that i should be more specific for you in case you had any followup questionsNope, no follow up questions.
I accepted long ago that rank doesn't mean anything and just having fun is where it's at. So bragging about it on a forum is just as useless as bragging about forum stats on a forum so I find it best to avoid.Rank doesn´t mean anything, IF you manage to reach rank 1.
If you don´t, than it really means a LOT.
A person who never reached rank 1, shouldn´t be talking about balance. Or we get another Freddy situation, where rank 20 survivors with less than 10 hours in the game, thought he´s OP. -
Haven´t you seen the last Q&A video?
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@Gay Myers (Luzi) said:
Bloodlust needs to go. It promotes bad killer plays and requires you to learn less. It's one of the reasons I stopped playing killers aside from killers FOV and flashlights white screen giving me migraines. I hated using BL and I would instantly lose it if I ever reached tier III, because it meant for that I did not play optimally.Yes, maps need adjusting still and I can prolly live with BL staying until then, but once maps get balanced, it needs to go.
Also when you're hooked, you're not doing anything. It makes perfect sense exhaustion cooldown would go down when you're hooked.
Don´t you think the game has a bigger problem, when the killer needs to reach BL3 to get a hit on a survivor who just runs in circles for 45 seconds? Killers have a 115% base speed bonus to be faster than survivors. But somehow they still need BL to even get a hit on a survivor. Does this sound balanced or even logic?
I mean, how many cars have you seen, that run with 115km/h, but don´t manage to reach the car that goes 100km/h for several minutes.There won´t be ANY mindgames once BL goes. Survivors already just run in circles, because that´s the most efficient way to waste the killers time. Mindgames would be juking and trying to lose the killer. But a looper won´t try to lose the killer, but to keep him chasing for as long as possible.
This is a huge step backwards.
I agree, that BL shouldn´t be in the game. But a survivor shouldn´t be able to loop a killer for several minutes. If you remove BL, you better increase the collision box of survivors, so they won´t have the speed advantage of hugging the wall during a loop. -
Uhm what?Dreamdemon said:@hill_o said:
Yeah, no, you definitely have a good point, and i think the replies to your thread pretty much show that this is less a forum for any survivor related questions and more a forum to ######### about survivors. It's incredibly frustrating as someone who would like to have actual discussions that don't just end in "well you wouldn't have that problem if you would git good" or "lol survivors all so salty".Meanwhile, contrary to what others have said, the killer forum gets a bunch of "who's your favorite survivor/what's the best loadout/how do I play x character" posts without a ton of people running in and flaming them to the ground. Super fair.
Thank you! This was the point I was making and thanks to all the negative posts for proving that point!
I’m not looking for anyone’s approval, I just hate when people enter forums just to troll and say git gud! I know it happens both ways but since I posted this in the SURVIVOR section I saw no fault. But as always I knew some people couldn’t help themselves.
I checked all the "negative" answers to your thread and there was nothing discriminating as you describe it. People just mentioned that there are toxic people commenting on the killer forum.
No one trolled you. No one told you to git gud.
So what the hell are you talking about?
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As of now, more than 3 hours late.Bbbrian2013 said:@Tsulan said:
No video today?It will be sometime today. It's just late.
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Survivors gen rush and there's nothing a normal killer can do against it. Killers are forced to use ruin, nurse and billy on high ranks. Don't you think, people would like to play other killers? But not with the current balance.AshleyWB said:Its just really dry at the high ranks. Always the strongest killers. They play the same way run the same perks I want variety when I play there. It's not that I don't want killers to stop killing. I want them to try out new things. -
No video today?
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@powerbats said:
@Tsulan said:
@powerbats said:
@Orion said:
If the Killer plays how Survivors want (leaves the hook unguarded, goes after the rescuer and not the rescuee), it is a free escape, and I dare anyone to pretend otherwise.If a killer plays stupidly you mean and doesn't go bash gens, doesn't go look for survivors, doesn't do anything but no skill camp at 1st hook. You may want to play badly that way but at rank 1-2 most killers leave the hook and don't have an issue getting kills.
It's only a free escape if you let it be a free escape IE that person makes it out of the match alive. Why no try not using excuses and semantics and insults in your posts for once. You might actually have some good points for once.
In case you failed to realize the somewhat sarcastic nature of the last 2 sentences.Sooooooo
Just to get this straight...
If the killer camps, he´s a bad camping killer.
If the killer leaves the hook, he´s a bad killer who relies solely on BBQ.
If the killer goes for the freshly unhooked survivor, he´s a tunneler.
If the killer does ignore the freshly unhooked survivor, he gives him a free escape, which he shouldn´t. He´s also stupid.Are you sure about the "on rank 1-2 (or do you mean rank 12?) most killers leave the hook and don´t have an issue getting kills"? Because if the killer tries to get 12 hooks on rank 1, he´ll surely have some time problems. Because the match has been over after 3-4 minutes.
- Sarcasm was highly intended because the persons was being their usual idiot.
- At ranks 1-2 most matches the killers have had no issue leaving the hook and getting 2-4 kills.
- If you're matches are all over in 3-4 minutes then that's your own fault.
- Most matches that end that quickly are because the killer usually a Billy nailed everyone because of good map rng.
- The occasions where matches end that early are rare and are almost always because it's someone doing their dailies.
- If the killer lets the freshly unhooked person get away he isn't being stupid that's you putting words out there I didn't say. Why not try reading that again and notice who actually said that. :HINT IT WASN'T ME.
- I never said a killer who leaves the hook is a bad killer who only relies on bbq. You're as bad as the others with the Logical fallacy crap.
Lastly you killers that throw out the Straw Mans, Red Herrings and other logical fallacy crap just make yourselves look that much more idiotic each time. This is especially pathetic coming from some who actually usually have good discussions. But for some reason decide to defend someone who's being a jack arse and playing with semantics trying to sound cute.
Oh i just made a resume of the different logic traps survivors actually do, with a strong amount of sarcasm.
3-4 matches on rank 1 are not the killers fault. Or please enlighten me on how 1 killer can keep 4 people off gens at the same time? If the killer chases 1, the other 3 do gens. If the killer breaks the chase to go for a easier target, there are still 3 survivors doing gens. Maybe it´s different on consoles, but on PC, survivors usually don´t ######### around and get out. Of course, there are some people which don´t belong to rank 1, but somehow play at that rank and don´t unhook or use meme builds. But a killer can´t count on those things every match.
Maybe take a look at Marth88 and tell me, what all the rank 1 killers did wrong.
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