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Sure, sure. We could have the Alien franchise bring us xenomorphs and space ships. Or FNAF could give us animatronics and pizza places.
But if we TRULY want a licensed IP that knows what DBD is really about...
https://youtu.be/02YwCuCZeqcThis is truly the embodiment of Dead By Daylight. ;)
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@Faszparaszt said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1419214#Comment_1419214
I see you’re not a lawyer. Holding the game hostage is blocking multiple survivors in a corner and taking a poop. But evading the killer while NOT being afk is perfectly fine gameplay. Is it scummy? Maybe but they have the right to do that if that’s what gives them fun.
Devs have already said multiple times that a team going hyper immersive and not doing gens for obscene periods of time is a reportable offense.
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I voted Matilda. NO REGRETS
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My main worry about something like this is that having to work your way up to the werewolf form (similar to Oni, I suppose) and a giant terror radius might not be reasonable enough drawbacks for permanently being able to be at 120% speed, particularly when you consider that any perks that directly improve a Killer's ability to chase are stronger on this Killer than on any other since they further improve the one thing this Killer has over any other Killer (permanently increased base movement speed).
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When was the DC penalty thing removed? o.O
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@NinjaDette1 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1414790#Comment_1414790
You know me so well yes a million times yes😂.
She even has the perfect Killer name as simply "The Trunchbull."
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Agatha Trunchbull from "Matilda" :P
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It is really silly IMO that this has not been changed yet.
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@Cheers said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1409240#Comment_1409240
Fair enough, although my main point of the post is: we've complained before trying things in the past and they've turned out fine in the end (Doctor and Deathslinger mainly). We should give it a chance before complaining
I don't think Deathslinger is very good, but that's a different discussion altogether.
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While I do agree that we should wait until the PTB to know for sure, the Doc thing isn't a very good comparison as far as Hillbilly. Most of Doc's base kit tools were made stronger compared to his old version. The Billy change is a straight-up nerf; the question is "how much of nerf is it?"
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@immortalls96 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1409142#Comment_1409142
Hmhm..that so? Well maybe theres slight hope he can be purple addon dependent
Yes, that is so. If you're going to argue a point, make sure to fact-check first.
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@immortalls96 said:
Lol I love how nobody seemed to notice that they demonstrated the nerf with a purple addon that reduces heat buildup and it was still insane
No they didn't. Unless "Pighouse Gloves" are supposed to look like a jug of whiskey.
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@Chewy102 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1408008#Comment_1408008
Doing laps is one thing. Being able to land a snipe during those laps or landing a hit after a lap is VERY different! Even just hitting a M1 after getting a close miss with the chainsaw is iffy as it gives time for the Survivor to reach something. The heat built up after map travel will for a fact highly effect Billy's ability to do anything else with his chainsaw.
Look. I don't know if you play Billy that often or how much Peanits does for that fact. But as a Legacy Billy who played nothing but him back at launch for my first 100 hours and has mained Killer for literal years, this is NOT going to end well.
I'm not convinced, based on what I've seen of the video.
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@Chewy102 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1407929#Comment_1407929
Watch the video again. It shown Billy taking up 25% to start sprinting and another 25% to travel roughly 1/3 of a given map. You can easily double that distance as Billy for the first sprint of a game. Then the 2nd sprint of the game is just as long as odds are Survivors will want to hide and not be found out in the open when a chainsaw is running around.
Even if you happen to find someone after the first sprint and it takes say 60% heat total. That'll leave you with enough heat to maybe ATTEMPT to land 1 hit if you need to flutter at all before you overheat.
Then you have to deal with being constantly waiting to lose heat before even thinking of attempting to chainsaw
If I had to put a number on it. Billy will wont be able to use his chainsaw half as much as he does now. If Billy is "balanced" as he is now, post change he will be far far worse.
That kinda goes against what Peanits has said regarding the usability of the chainsaw:
@Peanits said:
As far as mobility goes, it's negligible. Sprinting heats up the chainsaw at a significantly reduced rate, so you can do entire laps around the map no problem. More importantly, even if it overheats a few laps in, it doesn't cancel your chainsaw.
As far as curving and all that goes, your ability to do so is functionally unchanged. You'll only notice a difference if you miss a bunch of them or pull out your chainsaw way too early (something you don't want to do anyway because it means the survivors are going to widen the gap).
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@immortalls96 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1407962#Comment_1407962
difference is thatd be a buff lol
I am going by what the title says. ;)
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I support giving Pig a meter that recovers Reverse Bear Traps.
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@Chewy102 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1407854#Comment_1407854
Game start a Billy should be going cross map by chainsaw sprint to reach Survivors ASAP. That alone will now eat somewhere around 50% to 80% heat. How long will it take for that heat to fully clear out? How long will it take to have enough heat to attempt a hit with it taking at LEAST 25% to just start a sprint before fluttering?
I can guess all day to those numbers. But the majority of them will end up making Billy an overall worse Killer. Billy is gonna get his balls cut off.
This change also destroys my favorite build for Billy. Bump Billy running both add-ons that reduce the stun for running into objects. Those add-ons might no longer exist to start with! Then you have the heat that makes it so I will never be able to chain sprint after sprint who makes that build worthless as well.
Billy was already seen as likely one of the most balanced Killers in DbD. There was no need to change him.
But that isn't the worst of it. Hits are gonna be done server side now. That's gonna ######### over EVERYONE long before balance changed can be debated!
Based on the rate of heat increase that I saw, I think if you end up eating 80% of your heat without even finding someone, something has gone very wrong.
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@immortalls96 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1407902#Comment_1407902
You'll see then I guess ...take a shot every time he fills that heat bar
Sure thing. I don't mind continuing being sober.
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@immortalls96 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1407886#Comment_1407886
Riiight..how much do you play him..? I'm asking because your time sawing is a lot more than you seem to think at high level
I don't play as him much because I prefer playing Pig. That being said, gameplay I see does not show me that Billy stays in chainsaw mode often enough that he wouldn't have meaningful chances to cool down.
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@Orionbash said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1407881#Comment_1407881
Clearly you don't play survivor. My trusty ranger medkit doesn't pop up too often.
Welp, better be careful with it, then.
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@immortalls96 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1407837#Comment_1407837
And you know what else is going when your just m1ing and walking...? Gens..gens are going...
You are going to be doing those things naturally at some point anyways. Billy is not permanently in chainsaw mode.
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@Chewy102 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1407635#Comment_1407635
That video (assuming it is without add-ons) makes it so Billy uses 25% of his heat on a single rev and a relatively small sprint takes around 50% in total. I can guess that a map wide sprint will take at least 75% if not closer to 85% based on sprinting just a few map tiles.
It is also safe to assume that Billy will have 2, maybe 3, chainsaw attempts before suffering an overheat when accounting for standard fluttering.
Add both the map travel eating your heat with how few attempts you have to land a hit, and you have a Billy that can't use his chainsaw more often than not. Odds are if you use the chainsaw sprint to travel, you wont have heat to land hits. And if you save heat for hit attempts, you can't use it to travel. Either way this is gonna be a BIG hit on the potential pressure Billy can put out.
Then once you are overheated, it looks to be a 16 second cooldown. That's a LONG time in DbD.
This feels like what happened to the Nurse. A remake of his power in the name of counters and balance that ends up being a total nerf. Nurse wehtn from THE best Killer in the game, to something hardly anyone talks about anymore. And I fear the same for Billy.
I also feel like the devs want to make Killers balanced around being a standard M1 Killer. Wanting to make Killers need to depend on M1 hits more than using their power. I hope that isn't the case though because M1 Killers simply don't stand a chance against decent Survivors without the support of a power to give them an edge. Not only that, but the emblem system and ranking in general has NEVER shown favor to standard/default Killer gameplay as they are too slow to stall gens and too slow to kill.
You also have to factor in that Billy will be doing stuff other than using a chainsaw, and the chainsaw will cool down passively as you do that other stuff. It will mean that you will be able to chainsaw more than what you allege.
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@immortalls96 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1407818#Comment_1407818
Yes..because I know billy..hes reving all the time for chases and map pressure..seeing how long cd takes compared to the rev heat up shows he will be on cd very often..knee capping his map pressure
But you seem to be ignoring how slowly the chainsaw heats up when actually running with it. That does matter.
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@SpyMature said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1407787#Comment_1407787
My point is that I just want to have F U N with a consistent power that doesnt have so much restritctions to what I'm allowed and not allowed to do.
Imagine if Huntress would get a "Stamina" cooldown system, and you wouldnt be able to throw more than 2 hatchets in a short period of time..... Unless.... that's what they're already planning for her "addon" rework with "a small tweak to her base kit"
Honestly, who in the hell would ever ask to get more restrictions on a power that tell you what you're ALLOWED TO DO and what YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO.
It's boring and lame, instead of adding this overheat as a mechanic, they should make is a "chainsaw graphics update"
No one wants more of these lame cooldowns added into the game on powers that are fun to use.
Fun is subjective, so you saying you want to have fun doesn't really say a whole lot. I wanna have fun too, but I don't think the change to Billy will neuter that for me.
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@immortalls96 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1407808#Comment_1407808
So am i..clearly we arnt looking at the same things
Apparently we aren't, since you seem to think that the chainsaw will heat up too quickly.
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@immortalls96 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1407797#Comment_1407797
Guess we will see..obviously I'm very cynical because everyone said the same schtick about nurse..and I do t care what people assume, shes not what she should have been
I mean, I'm using the video that I see to make my observations.
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@immortalls96 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1407761#Comment_1407761
But if he uses it for thst..then what? His anti loop has been shredded because they work off the same stupid cd
Unless you are only Sonic-the-Hedgehogging around the map, it doesn't seem like you are going to overheat that often.
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@SpyMature said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1407752#Comment_1407752
Why put that rescriction on chainsawing across the map in the first place when Hillbilly is literally the most balanced killer in the game.
Honestly, it really feels like Nurse all over again with them adding a boring and lame cooldown just for the sole purpose of making the killer feel more restricting and boring so people would play less of that specific killer.
The restriction doesn't even look like it would impact good Billy players all that much anyways, so I don't see the problem.
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@Todgeweiht said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1407746#Comment_1407746
I just hope it regresses at a considerable rate.
The rate it showed for overheating seemed fine to me, especially considering that you're probably not likely to overheat the chainsaw that often anyways.
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@immortalls96 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1407739#Comment_1407739
But your always sawing around tag...his power giving him that was his only advantage..and look at that attack hit..jesus he was stuck there for a year...this is silly
He can still do that, just not forever.
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@SpyMature said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1407730#Comment_1407730
This means you wont be able to immediately chainsaw a survivors who's working on a gen you traveled to, and instead you'll have to wait for a boring and lame ~10 seconds cooldowns, forcing you to go for an M1 instead, on a survivors who's working on gen in the middle of nowhere, because if you try to wait for the cooldowns to finish, they'll be easily able to run across half the map and get to a pallet or a window.
You can if you didn't overheat the chainsaw.
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@Todgeweiht said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1407716#Comment_1407716
Uh? If it regresses it does at the same rate Onis power repletes, it just looks so slow.
It regresses when it's not in use, so it will just go down naturally while you are doing just about anything else.
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@immortalls96 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1407729#Comment_1407729
You have to rev to do anything with it..which means itll be constant
Constant what? Once you start running with the chainsaw, it heats up very slowly.
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@immortalls96 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1407635#Comment_1407635
Evidence of massive cd compared to pretty fast buildup yes
What do you mean fast build-up? It only builds up quickly if you keep it revved but don't actually use it.
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@immortalls96 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1407712#Comment_1407712
This is no small change..billy is going to feel significantly worse mark my words
Again, based on the video, it seems like it won't be easy to overheat the chainsaw unless you practically go out of your way. It heats up very slowly when you are actually running with it.
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@Todgeweiht said:
The new overheat mechanic scares me. I mean, billy is currently relatively easy to play compared to the other harder killers, but damn, thats too much man, the overheat does not regress which means you will have to eat all the cooldown whether you overuse your chainsaw or not. And the new ultrare add-on looks like thorn bookmark 2.0. I don't like it.
On the other end, the new bubba changes look neat, I was expecting a freddy style rework but this is also great.
the overheat does not regress
The dev update says otherwise:
This heat will dissipate over time whenever the chainsaw is not being used.
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@immortalls96 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1407695#Comment_1407695
It also showed the cooldown is extremely slow and hitting a survivor has massive recovery cd lol..dont be fooled
Don't be fooled by what? I saw the same video you did.
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From the video they showed, it seems pretty hard to actually cause the chainsaw to overheat unless you go way out of your way to do it.
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Bubba, on the other hand, deserved a well done rework, not a copy pasta nurse rework. If you haven't read the patch notes, they added charges to his chainsaw, like nurse
Bubba's charges are used to make his power stronger, not weaker (especially when paired with him moving faster while chainsawing).
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@immortalls96 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1407625#Comment_1407625
Lolf9rgive me if I doubt that very much
I mean...there is video evidence, so...
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The video they showed makes it seem like you only risk overheating if you chainsaw nonstop or constantly keep the saw revved. That doesn't seem like a problem to me.
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I don't think the Hillbilly change is going to really be an issue unless you are bad with him. Bubba change seems good?
Also, we now have an honest-to-god answer to keys. I don't know how it will work out in the long run, but it is something.
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@Lyezard_29 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1407524#Comment_1407524
How? Before the rework he had the power to walk and know the position of other survivors, now his power has a cooldown. They nerfed even the executioner even if he was a balanced killer
New Doctor is way better than old Doctor. His Static Field was trash because it didn't do anything meaningful after it got people to Tier 1 Madness.
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The only possible use I can think of is to slug someone who you suspect has DS active. Otherwise, what would be the benefit of this add-on? If the Survivors aren't close to having the gates powered, you probably wouldn't leave someone on the ground (assuming no one is near you, though if they are near you, this add-on doesn't activate). If they are, they're more likely to just power through the last of the gens, which means the aura hiding isn't going to mean as much.
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This seems like it makes caging garbage during the end game. Like, yeah, you can still deny DS, but you're also sending someone to a completely random spot on the map that you have no real way to plan for until the Survivors already make their move.
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I use a Steam Controller. 😜
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Spirit --> Jigsaw's Baptism (Pig)
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Speed Unlimiter
Ultra Rare Chainsaw Add-on
-Tremendously increase chainsaw movement speed
-Tremendously decrease chainsaw turning speed
-Tremendously decrease chainsaw charge speed
Tremendous.
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I generally go by Kill vs. Escape ratio.
3 or 4 kills means Killer wins
0 or 1 kills means Survivors win
2 kills is a draw.