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  • Juya said:

    This is silly. BBQ was the best reveal ability in the game, having close to no counterplay.(other than standing within it's radius or behind a gen.)

    Lockers are the worst tool to avoid the killer. It's a high risk but low reward tool with limited accessibility. With this change thought, it will actually be worth it to use the lockers other than the few niche it had before that.

    I also do not understand all the complaints about distortion, it seems to be the worst of the 3 new perk, simply because I see it all the 3 tokens melting within the first half of the match.

    That’s why the devs put the locker as a counter, because it’s a high risk low reward action. 

    Exactly my point wit distortion, it will be gone before the match is halfway over.
    in Why does BBQ deserve a buff Comment by Speshul_Kitten
  • akbays35 said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said:
    Rebel_Raven said:

    Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you.

    IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though.

    Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers.

    So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?

    There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points.

    Well what it's going to do is force Iron Maiden with BBQ users so they can tell when people go into lockers, if anyone is getting Distortion though, then that's going to be another issue. Granted Freddy might be the hard countered by distortion users if it becomes meta since he has multiple passive ways of reading auras so this would also unintentionally nerf him as well.

    Freddy just needs a rework altogether though, I’m sure this locker aura is part of his future works.
    in Why does BBQ deserve a buff Comment by Speshul_Kitten
  • Malakir said:
    Speshul_Kitten said:
    Malakir said:
    Speshul_Kitten said:
    Malakir said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said:
    Malakir said:


    Speshul_Kitten said:


    Rebel_Raven said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said:

    Rebel_Raven said:

    Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you.

IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though.

Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through  (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers.

So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?

    There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points.

    BT is getting a solid adjustment, though. Killers aren't too thrilled. Survivors are.

    It's not a measly nerf either, it removes a hefty chunk of why people use it all together.

    Really, am I the only one who uses it for BP’s?? From all the post I’ve seen most killers use it for BP’s. They must’ve changed their minds overnight.

    but yes BT is getting a buff, all the more reason to farm with WGLF right?? That’s why WGLF deserves more of a readjustment then B.B.Q does right now.

    Ehm just saying, we talk about BBQ because its the most used but these changes in combination with the new perk would easy counter EVERY aurora reading. Nurse calling, random, bitter murmur etc aura perks that INCENTIVES hunting and not camping

    Plus BBQ had already 6 counties before these announced changes, 3 of them perk less. That's why people are pissed. One of the most used and counterable perks used by killers getting even more counties and nerfs so even a child can counter it now not even hiding behind a gen or faking a direction for example

    Now people would heal next to the killer, he won't see you with nurse calling Anyway
    Etc etc

    That's why people are pissed and even me since I have even less interest to play killer than usual if these changes get through. I would see way more farmers and dumb mates at high ranks not for their accomplishments but because its even easier, leading a more frustrating game even on survivor side

    Think like the killers are the ones who should sort it out who deserves to be high rank and good survivors the same for killers. If anybody can rank up even easier would hurt everybody.

    Back to the topic, people get pissed nnot only making aura perks way less useful but also one of the strongest perks that everybody asked for a change, even from survivor side, DS, wasn't changed at all while all aura perks and one of the most counterable and used perk nerfed

    But here’s the thing, would you give up any of your meta perks for this new survivor perk? I sure as hell wouldn’t. Furthermore, if we’re gonna talk about survivors having to use another perk to hide auras, doesn’t the killer have the ability to bring in Iron Maiden as well? Even more, survivors can only use that perk until it runs out of tokens. 

    I still think if they’re gonna rebuff BBQ then they should also buff WGLF to adjust the BT. WGLF is long overdue.

    First of, why should any killer give up an older meta perk to counter a new broken perk for the survivor side?
    That logic make no sense and I explained pretty well why people are pissed, why isn't a good change while you just say "Well, would you sacrifice something to not make this broken thing get in a live server?".. seriously, you can have a debate or you are just dumb?

    Yes the killer have such strong perk like, if a survivor exit a locker they are exposed for 15s. So to hit them in 15s they are already pretty close to just open the locker itself if I know they are there.

    The other perk is "you can spam attacks while carrying a survivor with no cd and when you get body blocked you won't lose the grip on your prey". This is sooooooo situational you have no idea

    and the last perk "show if 2 survivors works in a gen" so now the survivor have even more incentives to do gen rush correctly, 1 gen per survivor.

    Totally the same thing as:
    Perk that prevent auras 3 times, any auras not only BBQ, any auras that helped SURVIVORS to not be camped and incentives killer to leave the hook

    Perkless mechanic, now you counter auras even without perks staying in a locker. Yeah, even a perkless ability, great. So now I would use your logic. Let's say at the start of the game you all are exposed for 2 minutes, no counterplay, no totems to break. Just first 2 minutes exposed unless you are in a hook. Won't be a perk but would you sacrifice your DS or a meta perk to prevent this change? Now I hope you realize how stupid your sentence was

    A perk that's bond 2.0 (after care). So another aura perk for survivor, which I won't mind, actually I like it and I might use it. The problem is all killers auras are being nerfed, even the ones that were barely viable now would become trash

    Breakdown, i love this one since it opens up more to sabo builds. The problem? punish killers to do hooks, which is bad for one single reason. All the other nerfs that might came up makes the new killer perks laughable.

    All these things plus just to make it even better, a killer that can't kill. Can only Hurt survivor but sucks at actually down them, an actual clown for survivors entertainment. Yeah I can figure out why people are pissed, if you can't you might play just one side or just stubborn to understand what you don't like taking it like a personal attack

    I’m having trouble understanding your frustrated sentencing structure. I think what you’re trying to illustrate is that a killer won’t give up a perk slot for Iron Maiden.  Also, why would the game start with all survivors having the exposed effect, haven you ever heard of NOED?? And why do you bring up Legion when this is strictly a BBQ and WGLF debate, do you really need to reinforce this with outside bias?

    My point still stands, good survivors won’t give up a meta spot for the aura perk. 

    WGLF should be buffed if they’re going to revert the aura locker effect. 

    And to completely disregard your last argument, I already proved I play both sides, as requested
    OK you are right. You don't understand
     If you even can't understand what I'm talking about even using your logic making a dumb statement like you did before, I don't new to keep discussing with you

    Its pointless, would be easier teach a rock to jump.
    Disregard my argument that's Hilarious when you can't understand what I say even if explained it two times and straw man my points. That's cute
    Okay since you’re logic makes absolute sense.
    I at leadt use logic making examples after examples giving you facts like that already existing counters etc

    You just say "no you're wrong"

    I can't talk with someone who uses feeling vs real arguments and straw man mines, I'm sorry
    Yeah cause starting the game wit exposed status effect is a logical way of putting things. 
    in Why does BBQ deserve a buff Comment by Speshul_Kitten
  • Malakir said:
    Speshul_Kitten said:
    Malakir said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said:
    Malakir said:


    Speshul_Kitten said:


    Rebel_Raven said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said:

    Rebel_Raven said:

    Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you.

IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though.

Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through  (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers.

So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?

    There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points.

    BT is getting a solid adjustment, though. Killers aren't too thrilled. Survivors are.

    It's not a measly nerf either, it removes a hefty chunk of why people use it all together.

    Really, am I the only one who uses it for BP’s?? From all the post I’ve seen most killers use it for BP’s. They must’ve changed their minds overnight.

    but yes BT is getting a buff, all the more reason to farm with WGLF right?? That’s why WGLF deserves more of a readjustment then B.B.Q does right now.

    Ehm just saying, we talk about BBQ because its the most used but these changes in combination with the new perk would easy counter EVERY aurora reading. Nurse calling, random, bitter murmur etc aura perks that INCENTIVES hunting and not camping

    Plus BBQ had already 6 counties before these announced changes, 3 of them perk less. That's why people are pissed. One of the most used and counterable perks used by killers getting even more counties and nerfs so even a child can counter it now not even hiding behind a gen or faking a direction for example

    Now people would heal next to the killer, he won't see you with nurse calling Anyway
    Etc etc

    That's why people are pissed and even me since I have even less interest to play killer than usual if these changes get through. I would see way more farmers and dumb mates at high ranks not for their accomplishments but because its even easier, leading a more frustrating game even on survivor side

    Think like the killers are the ones who should sort it out who deserves to be high rank and good survivors the same for killers. If anybody can rank up even easier would hurt everybody.

    Back to the topic, people get pissed nnot only making aura perks way less useful but also one of the strongest perks that everybody asked for a change, even from survivor side, DS, wasn't changed at all while all aura perks and one of the most counterable and used perk nerfed

    But here’s the thing, would you give up any of your meta perks for this new survivor perk? I sure as hell wouldn’t. Furthermore, if we’re gonna talk about survivors having to use another perk to hide auras, doesn’t the killer have the ability to bring in Iron Maiden as well? Even more, survivors can only use that perk until it runs out of tokens. 

    I still think if they’re gonna rebuff BBQ then they should also buff WGLF to adjust the BT. WGLF is long overdue.

    First of, why should any killer give up an older meta perk to counter a new broken perk for the survivor side?
    That logic make no sense and I explained pretty well why people are pissed, why isn't a good change while you just say "Well, would you sacrifice something to not make this broken thing get in a live server?".. seriously, you can have a debate or you are just dumb?

    Yes the killer have such strong perk like, if a survivor exit a locker they are exposed for 15s. So to hit them in 15s they are already pretty close to just open the locker itself if I know they are there.

    The other perk is "you can spam attacks while carrying a survivor with no cd and when you get body blocked you won't lose the grip on your prey". This is sooooooo situational you have no idea

    and the last perk "show if 2 survivors works in a gen" so now the survivor have even more incentives to do gen rush correctly, 1 gen per survivor.

    Totally the same thing as:
    Perk that prevent auras 3 times, any auras not only BBQ, any auras that helped SURVIVORS to not be camped and incentives killer to leave the hook

    Perkless mechanic, now you counter auras even without perks staying in a locker. Yeah, even a perkless ability, great. So now I would use your logic. Let's say at the start of the game you all are exposed for 2 minutes, no counterplay, no totems to break. Just first 2 minutes exposed unless you are in a hook. Won't be a perk but would you sacrifice your DS or a meta perk to prevent this change? Now I hope you realize how stupid your sentence was

    A perk that's bond 2.0 (after care). So another aura perk for survivor, which I won't mind, actually I like it and I might use it. The problem is all killers auras are being nerfed, even the ones that were barely viable now would become trash

    Breakdown, i love this one since it opens up more to sabo builds. The problem? punish killers to do hooks, which is bad for one single reason. All the other nerfs that might came up makes the new killer perks laughable.

    All these things plus just to make it even better, a killer that can't kill. Can only Hurt survivor but sucks at actually down them, an actual clown for survivors entertainment. Yeah I can figure out why people are pissed, if you can't you might play just one side or just stubborn to understand what you don't like taking it like a personal attack

    I’m having trouble understanding your frustrated sentencing structure. I think what you’re trying to illustrate is that a killer won’t give up a perk slot for Iron Maiden.  Also, why would the game start with all survivors having the exposed effect, haven you ever heard of NOED?? And why do you bring up Legion when this is strictly a BBQ and WGLF debate, do you really need to reinforce this with outside bias?

    My point still stands, good survivors won’t give up a meta spot for the aura perk. 

    WGLF should be buffed if they’re going to revert the aura locker effect. 

    And to completely disregard your last argument, I already proved I play both sides, as requested
    OK you are right. You don't understand
     If you even can't understand what I'm talking about even using your logic making a dumb statement like you did before, I don't new to keep discussing with you

    Its pointless, would be easier teach a rock to jump.
    Disregard my argument that's Hilarious when you can't understand what I say even if explained it two times and straw man my points. That's cute
    Okay since you’re logic makes absolute sense.
    in Why does BBQ deserve a buff Comment by Speshul_Kitten
  • Malakir said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said:
    Malakir said:


    Speshul_Kitten said:


    Rebel_Raven said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said:

    Rebel_Raven said:

    Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you.

IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though.

Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through  (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers.

So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?

    There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points.

    BT is getting a solid adjustment, though. Killers aren't too thrilled. Survivors are.

    It's not a measly nerf either, it removes a hefty chunk of why people use it all together.

    Really, am I the only one who uses it for BP’s?? From all the post I’ve seen most killers use it for BP’s. They must’ve changed their minds overnight.

    but yes BT is getting a buff, all the more reason to farm with WGLF right?? That’s why WGLF deserves more of a readjustment then B.B.Q does right now.

    Ehm just saying, we talk about BBQ because its the most used but these changes in combination with the new perk would easy counter EVERY aurora reading. Nurse calling, random, bitter murmur etc aura perks that INCENTIVES hunting and not camping

    Plus BBQ had already 6 counties before these announced changes, 3 of them perk less. That's why people are pissed. One of the most used and counterable perks used by killers getting even more counties and nerfs so even a child can counter it now not even hiding behind a gen or faking a direction for example

    Now people would heal next to the killer, he won't see you with nurse calling Anyway
    Etc etc

    That's why people are pissed and even me since I have even less interest to play killer than usual if these changes get through. I would see way more farmers and dumb mates at high ranks not for their accomplishments but because its even easier, leading a more frustrating game even on survivor side

    Think like the killers are the ones who should sort it out who deserves to be high rank and good survivors the same for killers. If anybody can rank up even easier would hurt everybody.

    Back to the topic, people get pissed nnot only making aura perks way less useful but also one of the strongest perks that everybody asked for a change, even from survivor side, DS, wasn't changed at all while all aura perks and one of the most counterable and used perk nerfed

    But here’s the thing, would you give up any of your meta perks for this new survivor perk? I sure as hell wouldn’t. Furthermore, if we’re gonna talk about survivors having to use another perk to hide auras, doesn’t the killer have the ability to bring in Iron Maiden as well? Even more, survivors can only use that perk until it runs out of tokens. 

    I still think if they’re gonna rebuff BBQ then they should also buff WGLF to adjust the BT. WGLF is long overdue.

    First of, why should any killer give up an older meta perk to counter a new broken perk for the survivor side?
    That logic make no sense and I explained pretty well why people are pissed, why isn't a good change while you just say "Well, would you sacrifice something to not make this broken thing get in a live server?".. seriously, you can have a debate or you are just dumb?

    Yes the killer have such strong perk like, if a survivor exit a locker they are exposed for 15s. So to hit them in 15s they are already pretty close to just open the locker itself if I know they are there.

    The other perk is "you can spam attacks while carrying a survivor with no cd and when you get body blocked you won't lose the grip on your prey". This is sooooooo situational you have no idea

    and the last perk "show if 2 survivors works in a gen" so now the survivor have even more incentives to do gen rush correctly, 1 gen per survivor.

    Totally the same thing as:
    Perk that prevent auras 3 times, any auras not only BBQ, any auras that helped SURVIVORS to not be camped and incentives killer to leave the hook

    Perkless mechanic, now you counter auras even without perks staying in a locker. Yeah, even a perkless ability, great. So now I would use your logic. Let's say at the start of the game you all are exposed for 2 minutes, no counterplay, no totems to break. Just first 2 minutes exposed unless you are in a hook. Won't be a perk but would you sacrifice your DS or a meta perk to prevent this change? Now I hope you realize how stupid your sentence was

    A perk that's bond 2.0 (after care). So another aura perk for survivor, which I won't mind, actually I like it and I might use it. The problem is all killers auras are being nerfed, even the ones that were barely viable now would become trash

    Breakdown, i love this one since it opens up more to sabo builds. The problem? punish killers to do hooks, which is bad for one single reason. All the other nerfs that might came up makes the new killer perks laughable.

    All these things plus just to make it even better, a killer that can't kill. Can only Hurt survivor but sucks at actually down them, an actual clown for survivors entertainment. Yeah I can figure out why people are pissed, if you can't you might play just one side or just stubborn to understand what you don't like taking it like a personal attack

    I’m having trouble understanding your frustrated sentencing structure. I think what you’re trying to illustrate is that a killer won’t give up a perk slot for Iron Maiden.  Also, why would the game start with all survivors having the exposed effect, haven you ever heard of NOED?? And why do you bring up Legion when this is strictly a BBQ and WGLF debate, do you really need to reinforce this with outside bias?

    My point still stands, good survivors won’t give up a meta spot for the aura perk. 

    WGLF should be buffed if they’re going to revert the aura locker effect. 

    And to completely disregard your last argument, I already proved I play both sides, as requested
    in Why does BBQ deserve a buff Comment by Speshul_Kitten
  • Nickenzie said:
    Speshul_Kitten said:
    Blueberry said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said:
    Blueberry said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said:

    Blueberry said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said:

Blueberry said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said: Blueberry said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said:    Rebel_Raven said:

    Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you. IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though. Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers. So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?

    There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points.        It seems minuscule to you because you aren't seeing what it will cause. I always leave hook for a bbq target unless i see a survivor or scratchmarks by the hook. After this change when I see no one with bbq I'm going to assume they are around the hook and not leave. This change literally discourages me from playing a way that makes the game more fun for all. This change is going to make camping skyrocket.    Also in regards to your other comment. it's 4 perks vs 16 perks, that's why WGLF isn't completely equal to BBQ. You as a sole survivor are not supposed to be equal to the killer in a 1v4.

    If you’re using the “it’s 4 VS 16 perks argument” I’m jus tgoing to stop trying to reason with you. You should know why, if not then I’m sorry you need to take some survivor education classes. Dude you probably don't even have 1/10 of my hours in this game much less rank 1 on both sides, clearly with your uninformed opinions. I already reasoned with you to explain and you couldn't follow it so instead you decided to insult. I’ve been playing since the Beta, over 4000 hours currently. Don’t try that with me. If I NEED to show you my rank 1 at both sides right now I will. 

    You’re just proving you’re either too killer sided or don’t understand logic when you say “4 perks vs 16”



I play both sides at rank 1 regularly, there is no "killer sided" and I highly doubt those hours. Link it.



Here’s the type of killer logic you’re using “Mr. Rank 1”

    “If Claudette dies she’s gonna let the Feng use her BT. Then if Feng dies she’ll let Claudette use her Lithe.”

    Thats your “4 perks VS 16” logic right there. 

    Firstly, no link, because you're clearly lying.

    Second, no, that's not the logic i'm using. Then again, how would you even know, you jumped to insults before even having a conversation.

    4v16 meaning you bring certain perks to counter survivor perks but you can't counter all 16 with just your 4.

    So you’re saying by your “logic” that there’s no possible way a killer can use 4 perks to counter 16, not even redundant perks?? Listen, you’re clearly one sided no matter what you think. You sound like you only live for Killer, clearly you still think all 16 perks being used in one game are completely different from each other EVEN if the survivors are running the exact same perks.

    4v16 is to express a point, not to literally mean every single perk will be different and 4 perks are not enough to counter 16 unless literally every single survivor has the exact same 4 perks. I don't live for killer, just unlike you, I actually play both sides at a high rank and know what's balanced and what isn't. It's quite clear at this point that you are a new player to this game and trying to explain these things to you is getting no where. You're being belligerent and arrogant while also not having enough experience in the game to understand. It's clear you're going no where so I'm done here.

    You’re a killer main I know it, and since killer mains like to pass fiction before facts here you go 😉

    Rank means something? On the topic at hand, BBQ had way too many counters now. Perhaps if it was reversed where you'll see survivors closer than 40 meters or something.
    Apparently to@Blueberry it means everything. Made all his points invalid either way, and thank you for verifying that it doesn’t. 

    Im not against reversing BBQ, my point is, they should buff WGLF at the same time or first.
    in Why does BBQ deserve a buff Comment by Speshul_Kitten
  • Malakir said:
    Speshul_Kitten said:
    Rebel_Raven said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said:
    Rebel_Raven said:

    Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you.

    IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though.

    Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers.

    So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?

    There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points.

    BT is getting a solid adjustment, though. Killers aren't too thrilled. Survivors are.

    It's not a measly nerf either, it removes a hefty chunk of why people use it all together.

    Really, am I the only one who uses it for BP’s?? From all the post I’ve seen most killers use it for BP’s. They must’ve changed their minds overnight.

    but yes BT is getting a buff, all the more reason to farm with WGLF right?? That’s why WGLF deserves more of a readjustment then B.B.Q does right now.
    Ehm just saying, we talk about BBQ because its the most used but these changes in combination with the new perk would easy counter EVERY aurora reading. Nurse calling, random, bitter murmur etc aura perks that INCENTIVES hunting and not camping

    Plus BBQ had already 6 counties before these announced changes, 3 of them perk less. That's why people are pissed. One of the most used and counterable perks used by killers getting even more counties and nerfs so even a child can counter it now not even hiding behind a gen or faking a direction for example

    Now people would heal next to the killer, he won't see you with nurse calling Anyway
    Etc etc

    That's why people are pissed and even me since I have even less interest to play killer than usual if these changes get through. I would see way more farmers and dumb mates at high ranks not for their accomplishments but because its even easier, leading a more frustrating game even on survivor side

    Think like the killers are the ones who should sort it out who deserves to be high rank and good survivors the same for killers. If anybody can rank up even easier would hurt everybody.

    Back to the topic, people get pissed nnot only making aura perks way less useful but also one of the strongest perks that everybody asked for a change, even from survivor side, DS, wasn't changed at all while all aura perks and one of the most counterable and used perk nerfed
    But here’s the thing, would you give up any of your meta perks for this new survivor perk? I sure as hell wouldn’t. Furthermore, if we’re gonna talk about survivors having to use another perk to hide auras, doesn’t the killer have the ability to bring in Iron Maiden as well? Even more, survivors can only use that perk until it runs out of tokens. 

    I still think if they’re gonna rebuff BBQ then they should also buff WGLF to adjust the BT. WGLF is long overdue.
    in Why does BBQ deserve a buff Comment by Speshul_Kitten
  • Rebel_Raven said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said:
    Rebel_Raven said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said:

    Rebel_Raven said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said:

Rebel_Raven said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said: Rebel_Raven said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said:    Rebel_Raven said:

    Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you. IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though. Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers. So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?

    There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points.        BT is getting a solid adjustment, though. Killers aren't too thrilled. Survivors are.    It's not a measly nerf either, it removes a hefty chunk of why people use it all together.        Really, am I the only one who uses it for BP’s?? From all the post I’ve seen most killers use it for BP’s. They must’ve changed their minds overnight.

    but yes BT is getting a buff, all the more reason to farm with WGLF right?? That’s why WGLF deserves more of a readjustment then B.B.Q does right now. So because BT is getting a buff, WGLF needs one, too? That's a bit backwards thinking, IMO. BBQ is losing power. WGLF, and BT are not. WGLF needs an adjustment, a buff would be great and more proper than just bloodpoints. so you’re telling me if they took bloodpoints off of BBQ and kept the auras, you would still use it?? 

    Face it you use it for the BP more than anything 



Well, bluntly I don't even have the perk, but I imagine I'd be using it for both based on seeing numerous streamers. I don't like to camp, and I wouldn't mind hooking everyone once. BBQ would help with that.

I might use it for auras because it's got more uses than something like Rancor, or bitter murmur which are maxed out at 5.

But people have various want and needs.

In the end, though, I'm not arguing against WGLF buffs, but you're looking to put the boots to killers in the process. That's not cool.



Are you serious you don’t even have BBQ??? 

    Wahfs the point of your side of the argument then??

    What's the point of yours?

    This whole venture is pretty pointless without a plan beyond "Screw killers, make survivors EVEN STRONGER!!!!"

    It's certainly not my fault that even with your vast time spent with the game you can't think of a worthwhile buff like I suggested.

    Dude you don’t even use BBQ why are you still on here?

    Because I sure as hell will when I get it for one.

    For two, I'd like it to be in good working condition for when/if I actually do get it.

    Third, I gotta comment on such a poorly thought out plan which hasn't evolved beyond "Screw killers, make survivors EVEN STRONGER!!!!"

    Fourth, I'm actually trying to help you. Make a solid buff to WGLF that won't screw up balance and it might happen. You really think people are going to rally behind you if you're going to put them on the back burner?

    Fifthly, you're bothered by killers looking out for their own best interests in the face of potential destruction of their abilities? REALLY? I mean talk about shooting yourself in the foot if you actually do play killer. Or survivor, too, actually! I'd think a survivor player would be thrilled to see killers get a real reason not to camp.

    How long of a list do you need, here?

    I’m sorry if I hurt your feelings. You have to realize though, I got hatch from a really good Myers BEFORE this nerf and that was just by hiding behind a gen. So in case you’re wondering BBQ is really only good towards from the beginning to the middle, once you get to a high enough rank and use it, survivors will know you have it and will come close enough to hide from it, but far enough for it to not make a difference to the killer.
    in Why does BBQ deserve a buff Comment by Speshul_Kitten
  • Blueberry said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said:
    Blueberry said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said:

    Blueberry said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said:

Blueberry said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said: Blueberry said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said:    Rebel_Raven said:

    Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you. IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though. Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers. So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?

    There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points.        It seems minuscule to you because you aren't seeing what it will cause. I always leave hook for a bbq target unless i see a survivor or scratchmarks by the hook. After this change when I see no one with bbq I'm going to assume they are around the hook and not leave. This change literally discourages me from playing a way that makes the game more fun for all. This change is going to make camping skyrocket.    Also in regards to your other comment. it's 4 perks vs 16 perks, that's why WGLF isn't completely equal to BBQ. You as a sole survivor are not supposed to be equal to the killer in a 1v4.

    If you’re using the “it’s 4 VS 16 perks argument” I’m jus tgoing to stop trying to reason with you. You should know why, if not then I’m sorry you need to take some survivor education classes. Dude you probably don't even have 1/10 of my hours in this game much less rank 1 on both sides, clearly with your uninformed opinions. I already reasoned with you to explain and you couldn't follow it so instead you decided to insult. I’ve been playing since the Beta, over 4000 hours currently. Don’t try that with me. If I NEED to show you my rank 1 at both sides right now I will. 

    You’re just proving you’re either too killer sided or don’t understand logic when you say “4 perks vs 16”



I play both sides at rank 1 regularly, there is no "killer sided" and I highly doubt those hours. Link it.



Here’s the type of killer logic you’re using “Mr. Rank 1”

    “If Claudette dies she’s gonna let the Feng use her BT. Then if Feng dies she’ll let Claudette use her Lithe.”

    Thats your “4 perks VS 16” logic right there. 

    Firstly, no link, because you're clearly lying.

    Second, no, that's not the logic i'm using. Then again, how would you even know, you jumped to insults before even having a conversation.

    4v16 meaning you bring certain perks to counter survivor perks but you can't counter all 16 with just your 4.

    So you’re saying by your “logic” that there’s no possible way a killer can use 4 perks to counter 16, not even redundant perks?? Listen, you’re clearly one sided no matter what you think. You sound like you only live for Killer, clearly you still think all 16 perks being used in one game are completely different from each other EVEN if the survivors are running the exact same perks.

    4v16 is to express a point, not to literally mean every single perk will be different and 4 perks are not enough to counter 16 unless literally every single survivor has the exact same 4 perks. I don't live for killer, just unlike you, I actually play both sides at a high rank and know what's balanced and what isn't. It's quite clear at this point that you are a new player to this game and trying to explain these things to you is getting no where. You're being belligerent and arrogant while also not having enough experience in the game to understand. It's clear you're going no where so I'm done here.

    You’re a killer main I know it, and since killer mains like to pass fiction before facts here you go 😉

    in Why does BBQ deserve a buff Comment by Speshul_Kitten
  • Malakir said:
    Speshul_Kitten said:
    Blueberry said:

    No one's asking for a BBQ buff, we're saying the locker aura block is gonna be bad for the games health. Also, WGLF is far from useless, it's literally a perk I never take of because of all the extra BP's it gives.

    I don't think you are seeing the ramifications of this aura blocking on the game if it goes through.

    There are multiple post asking for BBQ buffs in case you didn’t notice. 

    So if WGLF is far from useless that makes BBQ even further from useless as you not only get the benefits of WGLF but also potential auras. 

    Explain this
    Asymmetrical game. Its not a 1v1 fighting game

    Explained
    That’s right, so it’s what it was when the game came out. Clearly SWF has the upper hand.
    in Why does BBQ deserve a buff Comment by Speshul_Kitten
  • Rebel_Raven said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said:
    Rebel_Raven said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said:

    Rebel_Raven said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said:

Rebel_Raven said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said: Rebel_Raven said:

    Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you.    IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though.    Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through  (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers.    So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?

    There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points. BT is getting a solid adjustment, though. Killers aren't too thrilled. Survivors are. It's not a measly nerf either, it removes a hefty chunk of why people use it all together. Really, am I the only one who uses it for BP’s?? From all the post I’ve seen most killers use it for BP’s. They must’ve changed their minds overnight.

    but yes BT is getting a buff, all the more reason to farm with WGLF right?? That’s why WGLF deserves more of a readjustment then B.B.Q does right now.



So because BT is getting a buff, WGLF needs one, too? That's a bit backwards thinking, IMO.

BBQ is losing power. WGLF, and BT are not.



WGLF needs an adjustment, a buff would be great and more proper than just bloodpoints.

so you’re telling me if they took bloodpoints off of BBQ and kept the auras, you would still use it?? 

    Face it you use it for the BP more than anything 

    Well, bluntly I don't even have the perk, but I imagine I'd be using it for both based on seeing numerous streamers. I don't like to camp, and I wouldn't mind hooking everyone once. BBQ would help with that.

    I might use it for auras because it's got more uses than something like Rancor, or bitter murmur which are maxed out at 5.

    But people have various want and needs.

    In the end, though, I'm not arguing against WGLF buffs, but you're looking to put the boots to killers in the process. That's not cool.

    Are you serious you don’t even have BBQ??? 
    Wahfs the point of your side of the argument then??

    What's the point of yours?
    This whole venture is pretty pointless without a plan beyond "Screw killers, make survivors EVEN STRONGER!!!!"

    It's certainly not my fault that even with your vast time spent with the game you can't think of a worthwhile buff like I suggested.

    Dude you don’t even use BBQ why are you still on here?
    in Why does BBQ deserve a buff Comment by Speshul_Kitten
  • Blueberry said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said:
    Blueberry said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said:

    Blueberry said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said:

Blueberry said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said: Rebel_Raven said:

    Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you.    IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though.    Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through  (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers.    So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?

    There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points. It seems minuscule to you because you aren't seeing what it will cause. I always leave hook for a bbq target unless i see a survivor or scratchmarks by the hook. After this change when I see no one with bbq I'm going to assume they are around the hook and not leave. This change literally discourages me from playing a way that makes the game more fun for all. This change is going to make camping skyrocket. Also in regards to your other comment. it's 4 perks vs 16 perks, that's why WGLF isn't completely equal to BBQ. You as a sole survivor are not supposed to be equal to the killer in a 1v4.

    If you’re using the “it’s 4 VS 16 perks argument” I’m jus tgoing to stop trying to reason with you. You should know why, if not then I’m sorry you need to take some survivor education classes.



Dude you probably don't even have 1/10 of my hours in this game much less rank 1 on both sides, clearly with your uninformed opinions. I already reasoned with you to explain and you couldn't follow it so instead you decided to insult.



I’ve been playing since the Beta, over 4000 hours currently. Don’t try that with me. If I NEED to show you my rank 1 at both sides right now I will. 

    You’re just proving you’re either too killer sided or don’t understand logic when you say “4 perks vs 16”

    I play both sides at rank 1 regularly, there is no "killer sided" and I highly doubt those hours. Link it.

    Here’s the type of killer logic you’re using “Mr. Rank 1”
    “If Claudette dies she’s gonna let the Feng use her BT. Then if Feng dies she’ll let Claudette use her Lithe.”

    Thats your “4 perks VS 16” logic right there. 

    Firstly, no link, because you're clearly lying.

    Second, no, that's not the logic i'm using. Then again, how would you even know, you jumped to insults before even having a conversation.

    4v16 meaning you bring certain perks to counter survivor perks but you can't counter all 16 with just your 4.

    So you’re saying by your “logic” that there’s no possible way a killer can use 4 perks to counter 16, not even redundant perks?? Listen, you’re clearly one sided no matter what you think. You sound like you only live for Killer, clearly you still think all 16 perks being used in one game are completely different from each other EVEN if the survivors are running the exact same perks.
    in Why does BBQ deserve a buff Comment by Speshul_Kitten
  • Blueberry said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said:
    Blueberry said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said:

    Blueberry said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said:

Rebel_Raven said:

    Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you. IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though. Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers. So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?

    There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points.



It seems minuscule to you because you aren't seeing what it will cause. I always leave hook for a bbq target unless i see a survivor or scratchmarks by the hook. After this change when I see no one with bbq I'm going to assume they are around the hook and not leave. This change literally discourages me from playing a way that makes the game more fun for all. This change is going to make camping skyrocket.

Also in regards to your other comment. it's 4 perks vs 16 perks, that's why WGLF isn't completely equal to BBQ. You as a sole survivor are not supposed to be equal to the killer in a 1v4.

    If you’re using the “it’s 4 VS 16 perks argument” I’m jus tgoing to stop trying to reason with you. You should know why, if not then I’m sorry you need to take some survivor education classes.

    Dude you probably don't even have 1/10 of my hours in this game much less rank 1 on both sides, clearly with your uninformed opinions. I already reasoned with you to explain and you couldn't follow it so instead you decided to insult.

    I’ve been playing since the Beta, over 4000 hours currently. Don’t try that with me. If I NEED to show you my rank 1 at both sides right now I will. 

    You’re just proving you’re either too killer sided or don’t understand logic when you say “4 perks vs 16”

    I play both sides at rank 1 regularly, there is no "killer sided" and I highly doubt those hours. Link it.

    Here’s the type of killer logic you’re using “Mr. Rank 1”
    “If Claudette dies she’s gonna let the Feng use her BT. Then if Feng dies she’ll let Claudette use her Lithe.”

    Thats your “4 perks VS 16” logic right there. 

    in Why does BBQ deserve a buff Comment by Speshul_Kitten
  • Rebel_Raven said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said:
    Rebel_Raven said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said:

    Rebel_Raven said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said:

Rebel_Raven said:

    Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you. IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though. Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers. So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?

    There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points.



BT is getting a solid adjustment, though. Killers aren't too thrilled. Survivors are.

It's not a measly nerf either, it removes a hefty chunk of why people use it all together.



Really, am I the only one who uses it for BP’s?? From all the post I’ve seen most killers use it for BP’s. They must’ve changed their minds overnight.

    but yes BT is getting a buff, all the more reason to farm with WGLF right?? That’s why WGLF deserves more of a readjustment then B.B.Q does right now.

    So because BT is getting a buff, WGLF needs one, too? That's a bit backwards thinking, IMO.

    BBQ is losing power. WGLF, and BT are not.

    WGLF needs an adjustment, a buff would be great and more proper than just bloodpoints.

    so you’re telling me if they took bloodpoints off of BBQ and kept the auras, you would still use it?? 
    Face it you use it for the BP more than anything 

    Well, bluntly I don't even have the perk, but I imagine I'd be using it for both based on seeing numerous streamers. I don't like to camp, and I wouldn't mind hooking everyone once. BBQ would help with that.
    I might use it for auras because it's got more uses than something like Rancor, or bitter murmur which are maxed out at 5.

    But people have various want and needs.

    In the end, though, I'm not arguing against WGLF buffs, but you're looking to put the boots to killers in the process. That's not cool.

    Are you serious you don’t even have BBQ??? 
    Wahfs the point of your side of the argument then??
    in Why does BBQ deserve a buff Comment by Speshul_Kitten
  • Blueberry said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said:
    Blueberry said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said:

    Rebel_Raven said:

    Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you.

IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though.

Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through  (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers.

So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?

    There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points.

    It seems minuscule to you because you aren't seeing what it will cause. I always leave hook for a bbq target unless i see a survivor or scratchmarks by the hook. After this change when I see no one with bbq I'm going to assume they are around the hook and not leave. This change literally discourages me from playing a way that makes the game more fun for all. This change is going to make camping skyrocket.

    Also in regards to your other comment. it's 4 perks vs 16 perks, that's why WGLF isn't completely equal to BBQ. You as a sole survivor are not supposed to be equal to the killer in a 1v4.

    If you’re using the “it’s 4 VS 16 perks argument” I’m jus tgoing to stop trying to reason with you. You should know why, if not then I’m sorry you need to take some survivor education classes.

    Dude you probably don't even have 1/10 of my hours in this game much less rank 1 on both sides, clearly with your uninformed opinions. I already reasoned with you to explain and you couldn't follow it so instead you decided to insult.

    I’ve been playing since the Beta, over 4000 hours currently. Don’t try that with me. If I NEED to show you my rank 1 at both sides right now I will. 

    You’re just proving you’re either too killer sided or don’t understand logic when you say “4 perks vs 16”
    in Why does BBQ deserve a buff Comment by Speshul_Kitten
  • KingB said:
    It's not a slight nerf. It's massive and now if you get detected by it you are just bad at survivor. Literally hop in any locker for >10 seconds.
    Has ANYTHING about BBQ been DIRECTLY changed?
    No. 

    Are you going to stop using it? 
    No.

    Now stay with me here, is there a way to counter the counter of BBQ locker auras?

    Yes.

    Ta-da, if you’re really “trying not to camp” then you already know what perks you’ll need to use. But just like every other Killer, you use it for the BP. Face it.

    in Why does BBQ deserve a buff Comment by Speshul_Kitten
  • Rebel_Raven said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said:
    Rebel_Raven said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said:

    Rebel_Raven said:

    Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you.

IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though.

Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through  (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers.

So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?

    There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points.

    BT is getting a solid adjustment, though. Killers aren't too thrilled. Survivors are.

    It's not a measly nerf either, it removes a hefty chunk of why people use it all together.

    Really, am I the only one who uses it for BP’s?? From all the post I’ve seen most killers use it for BP’s. They must’ve changed their minds overnight.

    but yes BT is getting a buff, all the more reason to farm with WGLF right?? That’s why WGLF deserves more of a readjustment then B.B.Q does right now.

    So because BT is getting a buff, WGLF needs one, too? That's a bit backwards thinking, IMO.

    BBQ is losing power. WGLF, and BT are not.

    WGLF needs an adjustment, a buff would be great and more proper than just bloodpoints.

    so you’re telling me if they took bloodpoints off of BBQ and kept the auras, you would still use it?? 
    Face it you use it for the BP more than anything 
    in Why does BBQ deserve a buff Comment by Speshul_Kitten
  • Rebel_Raven said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said:
    Rebel_Raven said:

    Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you.

    IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though.

    Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers.

    So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?

    There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points.

    BT is getting a solid adjustment, though. Killers aren't too thrilled. Survivors are.

    It's not a measly nerf either, it removes a hefty chunk of why people use it all together.

    Really, am I the only one who uses it for BP’s?? From all the post I’ve seen most killers use it for BP’s. They must’ve changed their minds overnight.

    but yes BT is getting a buff, all the more reason to farm with WGLF right?? That’s why WGLF deserves more of a readjustment then B.B.Q does right now.
    in Why does BBQ deserve a buff Comment by Speshul_Kitten
  • Blueberry said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said:
    Rebel_Raven said:

    Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you.

    IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though.

    Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers.

    So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?

    There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points.

    It seems minuscule to you because you aren't seeing what it will cause. I always leave hook for a bbq target unless i see a survivor or scratchmarks by the hook. After this change when I see no one with bbq I'm going to assume they are around the hook and not leave. This change literally discourages me from playing a way that makes the game more fun for all. This change is going to make camping skyrocket.

    Also in regards to your other comment. it's 4 perks vs 16 perks, that's why WGLF isn't completely equal to BBQ. You as a sole survivor are not supposed to be equal to the killer in a 1v4.

    If you’re using the “it’s 4 VS 16 perks argument” I’m jus tgoing to stop trying to reason with you. You should know why, if not then I’m sorry you need to take some survivor education classes.
    in Why does BBQ deserve a buff Comment by Speshul_Kitten
  • Rebel_Raven said:

    Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you.
    IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though.

    Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers.
    So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?

    There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points.
    in Why does BBQ deserve a buff Comment by Speshul_Kitten
  • Blueberry said:

    No one's asking for a BBQ buff, we're saying the locker aura block is gonna be bad for the games health. Also, WGLF is far from useless, it's literally a perk I never take of because of all the extra BP's it gives.

    I don't think you are seeing the ramifications of this aura blocking on the game if it goes through.

    There are multiple post asking for BBQ buffs in case you didn’t notice. 

    So if WGLF is far from useless that makes BBQ even further from useless as you not only get the benefits of WGLF but also potential auras. 

    Explain this
    in Why does BBQ deserve a buff Comment by Speshul_Kitten
  • thesuicidefox said:

    Ima be honest, I clicked this thread because I thought you were actually building a pallet from the game for like cosplay or something.

    Lmao I don’t have the skills
    in Building a pallet Comment by Speshul_Kitten
  • powerbats said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said:
    More bloodpoints is never the answer, it is only a band-aid solution.

    Yet killers all say they want more blood points, especially when versing swf so if this is a band aid solution what would you propose then? Most killers say BBQ doesn't reward enough blood points right now.

    I’m not proposing anything; however, I’m not against the reverse meter range of BBQ idea though. What I’m telling you is that they won’t give you more bloodpoints because it would depreciate the value of they’re only currency to level a character up. 
    in BBQ change with camping help . Comment by Speshul_Kitten
  • More bloodpoints is never the answer, it is only a band-aid solution.
    in BBQ change with camping help . Comment by Speshul_Kitten
  • Malakir said:

    @Vietfox said:
    I'm just gonna leave this here:

    Skip red pings lobbies, that's it

    I saw this happen only when I accepted to give it a chance to a red ping killer. In other instances didn't happen

    Wrong. It’s not just red ping lobbies, it’s pretty much anything over 150ms. Red pings are a whole different story. 
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  • Vietfox said:
    I'm just gonna leave this here:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=169ae8xrwsE
    That’s complete bs. You can watch any streamer and see how pissed off they get when stuff like this happens when they’re playing survivor. Seems to be more prevalent on console for some reason.
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  • This. 
    I wouldnt mind seeing some rain or wind in the map. The rain could be light but clear enough to see well. Also survivors footsteps/duckwalks would make a mini splash sound when moving. 
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  • Even though @McLean “promised” a change the next patch on a twitch livestream.
    This was two patches ago by the way.
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  • ReneAensland said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said:
    Clown is a lot like doctor, just drop the pallet early and loop around it. Most doctors and clowns will try to hit you before breaking it, thus buying your team more time. Make them break it then move onto the next pallet.

    Clown is an anti-looping machine.

    Lmao only on some obstacles, other than that he’s exactly what he’s supposed to be, a clown.
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  • Clown is a lot like doctor, just drop the pallet early and loop around it. Most doctors and clowns will try to hit you before breaking it, thus buying your team more time. Make them break it then move onto the next pallet.
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  • Meyers and Meg

    my M&M ❤️
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  • Omg
     BBQ & Chili, Iron Maiden, Enduring and Ruin is just wrecking SWF right now!
    in Doctor + Iron Maiden Comment by Speshul_Kitten
  • DemonDaddy said:
    End game in general needs to be reworked. Worst part about it is the hatch though and not just for killer. To many survivors quit playing the game once hatch is an option. Refusal to save, work on gens, and even sandbagging so they get the escape. I get that survivors don't want to feel hopeless but it messes with the team flow and killer momentum. 
    Exactly,
    but since after 2 years they have failed to provide an answer, the least they can do is give the killer the advantage for the hatch. 

    Without doing that, a survivor only has to finish 40% of the objective to have a chance to escape. That’s not even half.
    in Can hatch to generator ratio change? Comment by Speshul_Kitten
  • Also some games only load 5-10% of the way or completely stop loading once it gets to 95% of the way.
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  • This game’s hit boxes are one of the MAIN reasons (besides sorry teammates) that I don’t play survivor as much. 

    It’s also the main reason I get downed.

    nuff said.
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  • I played a game last night as survivor when there was only 2 of us that connected. We did 2 gens and the killer face camped the other player as soon as he caught them. It was kind of ridiculous. Tho was at Rank 1 btw and with randoms.
    in Why Comment by Speshul_Kitten
  • Adding blood points would only be a band-aid solution. It would not help the game as a whole in adapting to the future of Dead By Daylight.
    in Making mediocre perks more desirable with bonus bp gain. Comment by Speshul_Kitten
  • For Myers I’ve been most successful with:

    Enduring
    Bamboozle
    Spirit Fury
    Ruin

    This build kicks ass and am able to 4K almost every game.

    The add-one will vary based on the survivors you are playing but those perks should remain constant. 
    Trust me.
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  • @Orion said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said:

    @Orion said:
    The Killers are immortal and invulnerable to any real harm. The Avengers are not.

    Then why do pallets seem to hurt them so much?

    A simple stun, nothing more. The Hulk can also be stunned by a hard (surprise) punch to the face, doesn't mean the punch will do him any real harm.

    Hulk pretty much has Spirit Fury lol

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  • @Orion said:
    The Killers are immortal and invulnerable to any real harm. The Avengers are not.

    Then why do pallets seem to hurt them so much?

    in Avengers VS All the Killers Comment by Speshul_Kitten
  • MhhBurgers said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said:
    MhhBurgers said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said:

    MhhBurgers said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said:

MhhBurgers said:

    So the only thing you had to show for was killers with literally 5000+ hours on their hands do mediocre. Enjoy your worse billy then, I'll keep instadowning people that are caught out with a killer that has basically omnipresence on the map unless it's the game/lery's. Heck you could pick myers, have an easier time finding ppl with monitor&abuse and the hare, vault windows fast in EW3 and you only need 2 hits or even 1 with insane snowball potential while legion will put everybody into deep wound state which will be healed in a mere 16 secs so he can put them in deep wound again, run around and not down anybody. fun concept, for survivor players at least. It’s pretty contradicting that you call players “mid-tier” and then they get 4K games with Legion. After they get 4K games and after calling them mid-tier at best you still call their gameplay with Legion “mediocre” just shows you’re the only mediocre player here.

    lets just hand you a 4K on a platter, in fact with the next Killer we can just have you hit M1 and the survivors all die. 4K for you, EZ game EZ life ma’right?!



Getting a 4k means jackshit in a game that has no dedicated ranked mode. Heck I went mericiless with freddy before all of the survivor nerfs till rank 2 in every game without godtier perks/addons, I didn't even have ruin at that time.

I'm calling true mostly mid-tier because he's very oblivious to many mechanics but that's probably more due to him being an entertainer and paying so much attention to his twitch chat, his mindgames and nurse-plays are pretty much on point.

He's slow in figuring him out, Zubatlel on the other hand is much faster in this regard and still only put up mediocre gameplays, have you seen these guys play nurse/billy or heck even spirit? It's night and day compared to this guy.

I don't care if these people 4k on him, the difference is that they are visibly doing worse on him than let's say one of the most balanced killers in the game: Billy.



“Visibly doing worse”, another killer main looking at the glass half empty and completely full of confirmation bias.

    Keep looking at this amazing game that way, you obviously don’t understand the time and effort the devs put into balancing this killer and the skills required to use him.

    And you're obviously a survivor main, if you can't see the difference between this: and his neweset gameplay then have it your way

    Lmao I think you need to take a break, try civilization!

    Don't worry, I usually play high skillcap games where ppl like you usually lunger around the bottom 50% ranks, yeah you might have more fun than me doing so with friends but at least I am somewhat knowledgable at what I'm talking about which is always what counted in gamer culture

    Yeah cause contradicting yourself over and over again and then calling yourself smart really shows us a lot about the kind of person you are, good luck though!
    in The legion is trash Comment by Speshul_Kitten
  • Nickenzie said:
    Speshul_Kitten said:
    @Nickenzie I’m going to tell you exactly what I told the other Killer main.

    you are sharing information of a survivor who’m we all know has been playing since the beta. We know Monto’s skill as a survivor which is definitely a great player. To compare Monto’s skills (thousands of hours) against the person playing as Legion is (a brand new killer) is questionable.

    now, we cannot compare Monto’s gameplay AS A  KILLER when playing Legion because he will not upload a video that shows him tearing [BAD WORD] up with Legion because it is contradicting. The whole point of his video is to show him “surviving the Legion.”

    if you'd like to know know how to play Legion better, go watch Panda and Tru3Ta1ent play him. I in no way endorse either of them, but it is a more fair perspective.

    Here's another one and he is using No Mother to show how being injured is no big deal.
    https://youtu.be/ipiUWXPyM7o
    Big deal, another monto video to prove a point. I can direct you to a collection of videos of Tru3Ta1ent getting to Rank 1 as big shiny Ace with No Mither. 

    My point still stands and you have completely bypassed and failed to respond to all of the facts I gave you.
    in Legion is being played wrong Comment by Speshul_Kitten
  • MhhBurgers said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said:
    MhhBurgers said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said:

    MhhBurgers said:

    So the only thing you had to show for was killers with literally 5000+ hours on their hands do mediocre.

Enjoy your worse billy then, I'll keep instadowning people that are caught out with a killer that has basically omnipresence on the map unless it's the game/lery's. Heck you could pick myers, have an easier time finding ppl with monitor&abuse and the hare, vault windows fast in EW3 and you only need 2 hits or even 1 with insane snowball potential while legion will put everybody into deep wound state which will be healed in a mere 16 secs so he can put them in deep wound again, run around and not down anybody.

fun concept, for survivor players at least.



It’s pretty contradicting that you call players “mid-tier” and then they get 4K games with Legion. After they get 4K games and after calling them mid-tier at best you still call their gameplay with Legion “mediocre” just shows you’re the only mediocre player here.

    lets just hand you a 4K on a platter, in fact with the next Killer we can just have you hit M1 and the survivors all die. 4K for you, EZ game EZ life ma’right?!

    Getting a 4k means jackshit in a game that has no dedicated ranked mode. Heck I went mericiless with freddy before all of the survivor nerfs till rank 2 in every game without godtier perks/addons, I didn't even have ruin at that time.

    I'm calling true mostly mid-tier because he's very oblivious to many mechanics but that's probably more due to him being an entertainer and paying so much attention to his twitch chat, his mindgames and nurse-plays are pretty much on point.

    He's slow in figuring him out, Zubatlel on the other hand is much faster in this regard and still only put up mediocre gameplays, have you seen these guys play nurse/billy or heck even spirit? It's night and day compared to this guy.

    I don't care if these people 4k on him, the difference is that they are visibly doing worse on him than let's say one of the most balanced killers in the game: Billy.

    “Visibly doing worse”, another killer main looking at the glass half empty and completely full of confirmation bias.

    Keep looking at this amazing game that way, you obviously don’t understand the time and effort the devs put into balancing this killer and the skills required to use him.

    And you're obviously a survivor main, if you can't see the difference between this: image and his neweset gameplay then have it your way

    Lmao I think you need to take a break, try civilization!
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  • MhhBurgers said:

    @Speshul_Kitten said:
    MhhBurgers said:

    So the only thing you had to show for was killers with literally 5000+ hours on their hands do mediocre.

    Enjoy your worse billy then, I'll keep instadowning people that are caught out with a killer that has basically omnipresence on the map unless it's the game/lery's. Heck you could pick myers, have an easier time finding ppl with monitor&abuse and the hare, vault windows fast in EW3 and you only need 2 hits or even 1 with insane snowball potential while legion will put everybody into deep wound state which will be healed in a mere 16 secs so he can put them in deep wound again, run around and not down anybody.

    fun concept, for survivor players at least.

    It’s pretty contradicting that you call players “mid-tier” and then they get 4K games with Legion. After they get 4K games and after calling them mid-tier at best you still call their gameplay with Legion “mediocre” just shows you’re the only mediocre player here.

    lets just hand you a 4K on a platter, in fact with the next Killer we can just have you hit M1 and the survivors all die. 4K for you, EZ game EZ life ma’right?!

    Getting a 4k means jackshit in a game that has no dedicated ranked mode. Heck I went mericiless with freddy before all of the survivor nerfs till rank 2 in every game without godtier perks/addons, I didn't even have ruin at that time.

    I'm calling true mostly mid-tier because he's very oblivious to many mechanics but that's probably more due to him being an entertainer and paying so much attention to his twitch chat, his mindgames and nurse-plays are pretty much on point.

    He's slow in figuring him out, Zubatlel on the other hand is much faster in this regard and still only put up mediocre gameplays, have you seen these guys play nurse/billy or heck even spirit? It's night and day compared to this guy.

    I don't care if these people 4k on him, the difference is that they are visibly doing worse on him than let's say one of the most balanced killers in the game: Billy.

    “Visibly doing worse”, another killer main looking at the glass half empty and completely full of confirmation bias.

    Keep looking at this amazing game that way, you obviously don’t understand the time and effort the devs put into balancing this killer and the skills required to use him.
    in The legion is trash Comment by Speshul_Kitten
  • @Nickenzie I’m going to tell you exactly what I told the other Killer main.

    you are sharing information of a survivor who’m we all know has been playing since the beta. We know Monto’s skill as a survivor which is definitely a great player. To compare Monto’s skills (thousands of hours) against the person playing as Legion is (a brand new killer) is questionable.

    now, we cannot compare Monto’s gameplay AS A  KILLER when playing Legion because he will not upload a video that shows him tearing [BAD WORD] up with Legion because it is contradicting. The whole point of his video is to show him “surviving the Legion.”

    if you'd like to know know how to play Legion better, go watch Panda and Tru3Ta1ent play him. I in no way endorse either of them, but it is a more fair perspective.

    in Legion is being played wrong Comment by Speshul_Kitten
  • MhhBurgers said:

    So the only thing you had to show for was killers with literally 5000+ hours on their hands do mediocre.

    Enjoy your worse billy then, I'll keep instadowning people that are caught out with a killer that has basically omnipresence on the map unless it's the game/lery's. Heck you could pick myers, have an easier time finding ppl with monitor&abuse and the hare, vault windows fast in EW3 and you only need 2 hits or even 1 with insane snowball potential while legion will put everybody into deep wound state which will be healed in a mere 16 secs so he can put them in deep wound again, run around and not down anybody.

    fun concept, for survivor players at least.

    It’s pretty contradicting that you call players “mid-tier” and then they get 4K games with Legion. After they get 4K games and after calling them mid-tier at best you still call their gameplay with Legion “mediocre” just shows you’re the only mediocre player here.

    lets just hand you a 4K on a platter, in fact with the next Killer we can just have you hit M1 and the survivors all die. 4K for you, EZ game EZ life ma’right?!
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  • MhhBurgers said:

    The problem is that he is easily countered:

    Don't heal up, there's no point, he will hit you.
    Once somebody gets hit with frenzy and ur in TR run away unless you suspect that he has the ultra-rare addon then just continue to repair.

    Once survs realize this he will get genrushed to oblivion.

    @Speshul_Kitten I literally don't care what the devs think on how he should be played, they are not top-level players and play this game basically casually and want to balance it like this. That's fine by itself but it's like saying "dude, listen to game journalists when it comes to games", I'll stick to actual gamer's opinions. Monto btw runs legion around like a rosie currently.

    Surprisingly he does and the person using Legion cannot be equally compared to Monto’s time as a survivor. 

    Thats why i gave 2 different examples of other YouTubers (who aren’t devs if it matters now), who actually use Legion and not play against him. 

    Learning to use Legion is more important than watching a survivor with years of experience play against him. I would give you credit if Monto made a video of himself playing AS Legion vs playing against him, but of course it would contradict his already uploaded video. C’mon eve you could’ve figure that out.
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  • .Nickenzie said:
    RotBb said:
    The way you should be playing is this:
    Hit one survivor with your ability.
    Leave them be, chase down the other three.
    Hit all four, kick gen while they’re forced to heal twice (best to use Overcharge or PGTW with him imo)
    A good idea is to use Rancor instead of BBQ&C
    Yeah but did you get a hook from all of that? Probably not because you have to wait for them to mess up (forgetting to mend) or win a 110% M1 chase.
    Anyone complaining about trying to win a 110% chase is using Legion incorrectly, obviously the 110% is set in place for you to NOT chase the survivor around but to direct you towards wounding others. If in fact you do chase the survivor, go into Frenzy and body black them, even if you can’t block them you will get close enough to down them. I will gladly give you a perk setup to help make him more viable for you to use. 
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  • I agree, I think that they kinda gave up on the default skins coolness to focus more on selling cool ones ever since the in store and auric cells came out.

    like, why give you a cool default skin when you can buy a cool one and spend more money!
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  • @MhhBurgers if you think he doesn’t require mind games you’re obviously playing him wrong, or are you even playing him at all?? You don’t even have to hit someone after a frenzy hit to down them, stop the chase then continue it. The survivor player will be forced to heal or bleed out. 

    Ik Tru3Ta1ent is mid tier at best that what I said.

    By you saying, “getting someone downed feels like a lot of work” just shows that you aren’t using him correctly. The devs were pretty clear on how to use him in a prior post. I can redirect you to a post if you’d like a breakdown.

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/32479/the-legion-problem-reasoning-and-justification/p1
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