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  • @MikaelaWantsYourBoon said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3552053#Comment_3552053

    I wish they were just honest.

    We are not making P100 rewards because there is a lot characters. We don't wanna put work on this because we won't get any money from this.

    Btw if you don't wanna wait a year for this cute Feng costume, just buy it before it removed from store.

    And its the way every major event this year has had a feng event limited skin. Thats so funny. Yet very predictable of bhvr.

  • I can't wait either! I sure would hate to miss out on paid content rather than a free possible content like p100 rewwrds that's there forever!


    But in all seriousness. It's so typical of bhvr to not put effort into something that does not give them money in the end.

  • @Dinoraptus said:

    Let me start by saying, no disrespect to anyone, let's please keep the discussion civil. BUT I take genuine issue with this response to someone asking about P100 rewards:

    https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/TM9CX5ZKL0TE/image.png

    As I have already detailed in another thread: https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/383893/list-of-every-old-rift-cosmetic-not-added-to-the-store-with-pictures , there are like 100 different cosmetics from this games past rifts and other events, not even including legacy, that have left, never to be seen again.

    Most of these were never made purchasable or earnable outside of their original window and based on statements from BHVR since, are never going to.

    Since the games launch, the store has also been updated to cycle out season cosmetics like Christmas sweaters, which used to be available all the time, until their given time of the year arrives.

    Prime rewards added and entire new host of cosmetics where only one, Haddie's, has seen a store release since.

    AND finally, the rift was given an entire two extra pages dedicated to cosmetics that will never return once that particular rift goes away.

    I don't even really care if they add P100 cosmetics, but how on Earth are P100 rewards, something that any player can earn at any time for free just for leveling a character FOMO, but stuff like the aforementioned magical vanishing rift cosmetics totally fine. There are already rewards for character prestige up to 9, are those not FOMO by that definition too?

    If anything the cosmetics that never came back are infinitely more worse because they cost players actual money, either directly in price or to buy the Rift when it was happening. Do you not think the players who maybe couldn't afford the rift back then or maybe didn't even know the game existed feel like they missed out?

    P100 rewards wouldn't go away, they would be earnable at all times, nobody would be able to miss out on them, not like the cosmetics that never came back. I am just really confused by the reasoning here.

    Because it's simple. Behavior will not commit to dedicating resources that does not require transactional value for them. Why else do think they are OK with limited timed event skins in the shop. Mind you, every major event; lunar, anniversary and soon Halloween, will have had a Feng limited time shop skin for this year

    We know how bhvr works. They want money. This isn't new.

  • @Alen_Starkly said:

    First of all, the intention of this post is to explore and gain insights into this phenomenon that I am interested in. I ask you to share your experiences and give constructive feedback. Please be respectful to everyone <3

    So, as we all are aware, I'm sure, female survivors in DBD are not just more popular than male survivors, but much more popular. I know that this is not a phenomenon exclusive to DBD, it exists in many other games as well. However, with this post I would like to gain an understanding on why that is so in DBD specifically. Cosmetics play a big role in this, so I would like us to take them into consideration, as well.

    As far as I can think, these are the reasons that people might be preferring either male or female survivors:

    • who they can identify with, relate to, or connect with better
    • who they find more attractive, and therefore want to see on the screen
    • who has more interesting (beautiful, quirky, etc.) cosmetics available, as well as more cosmetics in the sense of quantity
    • who has gameplay advantage - in this case it's the female survivors, due to them being shorter and therefore having better potential for stealth, evading the killer, and (flashlight) saves on their teammates

    Based on my experience of watching streamers, as well as other people I'm acquainted with, it seems that a person's gender identity and romantic/sexual interests don't play a major role in this, since any group of people tends to play as female characters.

    I am a gay guy, and prefer playing as male characters, because I can both relate to them better, and also prefer seeing them on the screen. However it seems that most gay men prefer playing as female characters. This is what confuses me.

    I would like to ask you readers, to give your perspective and understandings on this, on why female characters are that more popular than male ones. Both female and male characters are awesome and deserve love and popularity. And in order for me to able to promote male characters more, and accentuate their value, I need to understand what is causing this disproportional pick rate.

    Thank you for reading! I hope that we can have a really nice discussion on this.

    Honestly. Its a very complex situation and depends on what type of game genre you are playing. I know hands down that most women tend to play rpgs/mmorpgs games as female characters. And that is boosted more by even men playing mostly female characters there because they can be whatever they want. And its pretty much mostly just a casual style of play.


    Now keep that mindset when we transfer to comp genre types of games like fps(first person shooter) and fighting games. Ex: Mortal kombat, Dragonball Z, Smash Bros, call of duty etc. Studies show women actually play shooter games. However, men do domimate that genre due to the comp nature of it and tend to choose male characters. They will lean towards female if and only if there are comp advantages to it. And devs from those know how they will choose and mostly prefer creating and giving more attention in creating male characters over female characters. But that in itself varies depending on those games as certain devs do try to balance that ratio.


    Now with dbd. We know some ppl believe it to be comp or just play casually. So i truly believe dbd is a special case that attracts both sides. Which is why our community always fight each other tbh lol. You have casual survivors, be it straight or gay, male or female player, that play survivors they simply feel comfortable with and have more skins. And it usually goes towards the female survivors of course. Then you have comp survivors that will skew it towards female survivors even more since they hide better and most are quieter than males. Skins arent a high priority over gameplay. But it does help if the skin gives them an advantage. And by advantage, in comp terms, im not talking about just helping in hiding. Some comp survivors do like bright colored skins because most are chase oriented and want to be seen.

  • @Mooks said:

    I think part of the reason newer skins are rarer to be seen is that all of them are auric cell only for some time. I for sure am waiting for plenty of pieces to get shard availability to run them as the quality in general is pretty damn good recently - though design-wise they are obviously hit-and-miss but they are supposed to appeal to a broader audience after all..

    Exactly. And this is why the top 5 survivors mostly get skins especially during timed events like the anniversary with feng in order to compensate for the auric to shards system they placed like a year ago.

  • I for one favor David King always. The pinned post on this forum perfectly explains why. But from my experience, his 2nd tome actually did give me the courage to come out myself as well to my family one by one. It wasnt easy, but eventually they accepted me. I never would've imagined a fictional character from a video game would lead me to make a life changing decision like this.

    I also favor his redemptive qualities of being altruistic and loyal to his close ones. That resonated into my playstyle as well which makes the experience more enjoyable for everyone in the game regardless if i sacrifice myself for them. He has a variety of different cosmetic choices which i hope one day he gets a rugby skin. Overall, david definitely has and always will be a personal favorite of mine.

  • @WatersBTW said:

    There was this big song and dance put on after the community realized Haddie, Jeff, etc. Weren't getting skins at all. But it seems like instead of realizing why the community got upset, they just came out with a couple new skins and it's back to business as usual. As a Singularity main, I am appalled by the lack of attention given to my favorite robot. He has a massive amount of possibility for skins, like, why haven't we gotten an original Hux-A7-13 model skin yet like we saw in the tome cutscene? I know the answer, it's because no one plays him, which sucks. But why did BHVR announce their cosmetic team expanding to fix this exact issue if the issue isn't being fixed? They just added Haddie into the roster of characters that now get skins, not fix the issue.

    The only thing u can do is hopefully try to gather up the singularity fan base that u have and continue to let it be known about your concern. Because it really doesn't matter in terms of them continuing to pump out new skins for the top 5 played characters nearly every update when they have increased their cosmetic department. They need the money desperately.

  • If haddie hive can pull it off, I'm sure they can too. Even then nobody still plays haddie even when she's getting alot of these skins. So I see no reason for singularity fans to try.

  • Personally for me. If a killer is tunneling me hard, i just let them win and move on. They want it so bad, might as well give it to them. My self care is more important and i hope to get a better match where the killer knows there is another person behind the other screen and not go out of their way to make it miserable.

  • It simply depends on your playstyle. They may have the same effect, but they will cause you to play in dfferent ways. Thwack gives you a more precise info, with a specific condition to be met, on a survivors location with the aura reveal unlike ultimate weapon. The latter does give more info with no effort, but a scream alone wont help you predict where the survivor will move without the aura reveal.


    But i do agree that ult weapon is obviously stronger tho. But every perk that may have the same effect still causes you to play slighlty different.

  • It really depends. In the games im in, i usually try to get your attention to prevent you from tunneling someone if i seen you done it already. Lack of skills usually leads to desperate dirty tactics to win.

  • It just takes time. Especially when they have to get other platforms especially console to get the patch approved. If it doesn't make it, it'll just go to midchapter. Which for me, I had a big problem with ultimate weapon making ppl scream in lockers. But it's fixed in midchapter. Same for fast vaults. They do what they can with the limited time they have

  • I know alot of people will pick the typical feng, nea, meg etc. Dare to be different. Im just gonna be honest here and i hope i dont sound too pushy. If i do, I apologize. But i would definitely just read up on basic lore on every survivor on the menu. Thats the best start to connect with your character. At the end of the day, these survivors are just skins with same stats etc. But they just look and sound different so go with anyone of your choosing.


    For me, I chose david as my first main because his lore and characteristics is built around team play and confrontational encounters which is my playstyle. Lately ive gone towards gabriel more now because sci fi is my fav genre and more or less looks like me. Overall its your choice.

  • Aight. Deuces

    in GG Comment by Quizzy
  • @MikaelaWantsYourBoon said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3546500#Comment_3546500

    He got tome and a lot store costumes this year. He is doing pretty fine. I believe BHVR is happy with his costume sells.

    And i am seeing him pretty often in my games.

    You do? Wow. Not gonna lie. He's pretty uncommon in my games like vittorio. I swear, i didnt see many even when he had the greek collection. Obviously cause it was linked. Seen only 1 play with it at the time. I seen a bit more obviously from deadly games but more so from thalita(so many thalitas i have seen wearing her new skin). But i still dont see many of him like dwight or even leon level. I even see more ace than him and ace hasnt gotten a skin since....wow several months

  • @MikaelaWantsYourBoon said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3546408#Comment_3546408

    It's all about money.

    If they release new LGBT+ character and people loves them, most likely they will use this opportunity. I know , it's kinda sucks but everything is about money.

    And i don't think they will reveal another LGBT+ character , they are fine to keep them in secret.

    Yea. That i can definitely agree with you there.

  • @MikaelaWantsYourBoon said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3546397#Comment_3546397

    I just don't trust to companies at all.

    They will smile to you, they will tell you they care about you. But end of the day, it's just business. You will never be sure they smiled you cuz they care about you or your money.

    Exactly. But its a shame i start to realize this just this year. No mention of david at all during pride month this year. Not even one tweet. No skin. I shouldve expected. And i hope more people expect this as well if they ever were to release a new sexually revealed character, if at all. And personally i hope they dont anymore if they treat their characters like this.

  • @MikaelaWantsYourBoon said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3546372#Comment_3546372

    I mean David's popularity can be changed.

    Some people left him because he revealed as gay.

    Some people left him for new male survivors: Vittorio, Renato and now Gabriel.

    Maybe you are right and some people left him because he did not get costumes.

    But whatever was reason, BHVR did not see value on him. I don't think BHVR ignored him because he is gay. BHVR is just doing what other companies are doing: Use resources on valueable characters.

    They changed their politics on that tho, that's good sign. Now they are giving costumes to all survivors.

    An interesting lesson from a company for the audience. If a newly sexually revealed character has no value whatsoever. You can freely discard them. Yea. That will definitely make the lgbt community feel more empowered . Especially with how society view us as it is.

  • @Reinami said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3546370#Comment_3546370

    That's my point,

    You complained that it has been a long time since they did a skin, so they do a skin, and you still complain, so what is it that you want?

    Consistent and lore accurate skins that other survivors get like feng, mikaela, nea etc. Heck, i mean if the david thread about his coming out is still pinned on this forum symbolizing how much of an impact he made on the lgbt community, you'd expect that bhvr would be consisent and make more skins for a character like that. But guess not.

  • Allow me to help them. 17 months since his last new skin store cosmetic, vain valentine. And 9 months since his christmas outfit. Mind u. Wasnt a guarenteed at all if he lost the vote

  • @TheycallmeLix said:

    My first survivor main (currently and staying at P69 😈)

    I was wondering why he didn’t get an rugby outfit or something similar to it when the ‘Deadly Games collection’ came? Didn’t he play rugby and isn’t he known for that? I’m happy he finally got a new skin after sooo long (last time he got a new fit was during Bone Chill last year 😭) after BHVR made him an 🏳️‍🌈 person, people really don’t play David anymore which I can kinda understand but still shouldn’t stop you from playing your favorite survivor. Any other David King mains who are dying to see David get more skins since I’ve seen other male survivors get more and more skins every weeks?

    Im a p100 david. And ive definitely been vocal about that here. As an lgbt person myself, ive nearly just came to the conclusion that bhvr probably....just doesnt care. He's not played as much anymore. He's a male survivor at that. The female survivors give more revenue and get more consistent lore accurate skins.

    The guys who dont get lore accurate skins like dwight and shirtless felix is because they feel like it would give more revenue and it does.


    So overall, i kinda gave up on even fighting for david to get rugby skins or skins at all due to the fact they continue to give him 2 outfits a year at best including most of the male survivors. But feng, nea, kate, meg mikaela can get skins every update. And it got to the point where i dont even feel seen anymore as a gay man in this game. So i had no choice but to move on to other survivors who get more. Sucks. But i suppose business is just business. Money is a higher priority than representation. And its something we just have to get used to from this game.

  • @MikaelaWantsYourBoon said:

    I am just trying understand this logic.

    I just played against Wesker, he found me early game with Lethal. I had to drop shack pallet for not take hit. And this ended with 3 gens chase.

    But then my salty teammate (Yun Jin) and his duo (Haddie) throwed game because how i dare to dropped shack pallet that early? Boy, pallets are here to save you from hits? What's wrong with that?

    We lost this game because they refused to unhook me. The only person (Ace) saved me was other solo and he had to hook trade. Even after that Wesker tunnelled me out. Other 2 just did gens but they died to NOED later (Karma i believe).

    And i asked why they did not save me and the response: It was because i used shack pallet like baby noob survivor.

    Can you please make me understand when is the time to use shack pallet? I am really curious

    Idk. Ppl in this game are weird. They will do the pettiest thing over something as small as this. Some ppl dont drop shack pallet at 5. But if u gotta do what u gotta do to survive, do it. Run that killer for your life if u have to. Its just a game tho so have fun.

  • Handful. That was funny. But you never know. Maybe thry didnt reveal everything. Maybe the rest will be in the dev notes tomorrow. If there is more

  • I mean. I definitely go for rescue last second before they hit 2nd. But thats why we have reassurance. The question is, will you as killer continue to stay there while reassurance is up or will u chase me? Id advise you to chase me otherwise, you will cause the person to likely self unhook themselves sitting there too close while i go right back to my gen and work efficiently.

  • SM will definitely be more powerful in chases. Don't underestimate that. She could very undetectable in high tiles when deploying drones which makes it hard to see her red stain. And she is still an anti loop killer. You stay in the loop too long, you may gain lock on stacks and be injured automatically with no speed boost as pointed out.

    Chase merchants will flourish with this update

  • @KaTo1337 said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/391766/no-more-developer-updates

    The last dev update was Nicolas Cage on July 24th (Monday).

    I expect the dev update for the upcoming midchapter TODAY.

    Feel like it was a Tuesday

  • I just dont like the fact that ultimate weapon could be used to slug and find the last person easily.

  • Aint no way. They are coming back and they should. You would force casual players to bring a perk to blind killers and be altruistic. Not only that but perks that require to be paid for in money from licensed survivors being Jill and leon.

  • Same old discussion, just a different day. You're not the first to say this and you won't be the last. Take a break then come back. You will be fine. But that ultimately depends entirely up to you.

  • If you have fallen out of love for dbd, then thats fine. Maybe its best to actually move on from the game. But please do not ruin that for other people who may actually still enjoy dbd for all these years.

  • I mean. That should obviously be intended. Cant do full animation if ur holding an item. Otherwise, it wouldnt look right doing certain things while holding the items.

  • @Alice_pbg said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3540955#Comment_3540955

    somehow missed this one...

    no. David does not have a rugby suit. it's a crime!

    Six years. And you would think bhvr would give a man who used to be a rugby player as his career, a sports outfit. But nope. Constantly missing the bar and give it to lore accurate characters like meg, and give it to dwight who never even made the cut on teams in high school. Thank goodness, i moved on from david as a main. Cause they never do that man justice anymore

  • The hotfix was supposed to be this tuesday. However, unexpected circumstances had occured i assume with the flashlight exploits. So im sure thats going to carry over to the next week hotfix to hit 2 birds with 1 stone.

  • @[Deleted User] said:

    Shame they teased us with a new skin for David and then took it away. 😫

    You'll get used to that. A common phenomenon toward david fanbase.

  • @Coffeecrashing said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3540437#Comment_3540437

    I thought there were multiple tickets, that specifically asked about screaming in lockers, and they were all marked “not a bug”?

    https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/70R2PDH4DH36/img-3289.jpeg

    https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/S2OFXRC9500A/img-3288.jpeg

    https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/CEMKVBN3Q0M3/img-3287.jpeg

    This was closed as “not a bug” multiple times, and it was crystal clear the question involved screaming in lockers. There was zero room for misinterpretation on what the tickets were asking.

    Do you honestly believe they can be consistent? Come on now

  • I literally expect nothing game changing in their midchapters anymore.

  • Well for one. He's gay, not played much and he's a man so of course they will mistreat him. It's been 8+ months and he hasn't gotten a skin. Like you said, he never gotten a rugby skin that ties to his lore while Meg gets multiple lore accurate skins and Felix gets non lore accurate shirtless skins. But hey more skins for Feng, nea, Meg, Kate, Mikaela.


    Besides, you shouldn't really depend on bhvr to make a consistent rugby skin for david anyways. They would screw it up anyways and give him long rugby pants instead of short shorts.

  • Im having a good time. Yea solo q is crazy as always. Tunneled out, camped etc. Same crap, just a different day. But i like to switch up my build to make it more fun for me. Whether it be, meta, niche, meme builds. It helps lowering the risk of burn out for me.

  • I just wanna have fun. And if i wanna put on no mither to feel that experience, then so be it!!

  • Love this! I definitely agree with starting off with your character preferences. What does your character in the game mean to you? Why were u gravitated to your favorite character within Dead By Daylight? A great start and would love to hear everyones story and reason for choosing their favorites. It keeps us engaged with each other.

    One suggestion i would like is a thread about map preferences. Which map would you live in? Itd make funny engagements. 😁

  • Im an open book. So ill tell you what makes me dodge my teammates.


    1. If ur wearing default with a lower prestige number. My apologies. But in the past most people who go in like this, are the ones who brings down the team. But they try tho. I give them that.

    2. Repetitive items(specifically only flashlights). If im going in with 3 or more flashlights(me included), i just know gens arent going to get done. We are going to all be following each other trying to get saves and usually, that doesnt work in our favor. And of course lightborn likely.


    3. Too many people are leaving the lobby. As it was pointed out. The mmr system prioritizes finding anyone much higher or lower from you if ppl keep leaving to get into the matches quicker. This causes outliers for me and could make the matches more one sided.

    But honestly, i rarely dodge p100 teammates. And even then, the matches can go either way. I stay because at least they may have more game sense which makes it more exciting

  • We honestly just have to wait and see how much unhook gauge fills when proxy camped. And it also depends once again on your teammates if they are too close because that affects the gauge as well, as talked about during the anniversary.

  • Thank god some ppl on here dont make perks

  • @Raconteurminator said:

    I love the argument of, "It's only 3 percent," like 3 percent is insignificant. If 3 percent is insignificant, why are people using it?

    Because latency is BS. And survivors get tired when they make it to a vault, pallet, yet still get hit on the other side of it. And with this vault nerf, im sure survivors are pretty pissed off that chasing is being more nerfed on them.

  • Rather than add extra effects, i would ratger add on like a few percentage or seconds on a perk instead. Something minimal. Even then, that would require a lot of coding since there are over like 200 perks now. Thats too much work for bhvr.

  • I just think its better to just adapt and get used to fast vaults, as always, not being completely safe and basically being equivalent to medium vaults. Even when it seems you completely finished the vaulting animation and still get hit. It wont ever get better anyways.

  • Keep it hidden. It'll at least lower the risk of lobby dodges. In turn, mmr outliers will be lowered as well because they have said, the system will prioritize finding players at a wider mmr bracket from you if the queue times get too long.

  • If they forced crossplay off, could mean it would be a day..maybe even up to a week. Switch players usually are the forgotten ones. You get used to it.

  • On second thought never mind. I cant trust bhvr to even give david a proper rugby uniform and probably would give him long knee length shorts. Wouldn't do him justice.

  • What bothers me is that the devs are supporting killers to just slug then find the last survivor when there is no way to get the gens done(4 gens for ex). There are many situations where stealth means nothing anymore when u are battling it out for exit gates and ur the last survivor because of this perk.


    If they wont do anything about it, people might as well start bringing calm spirit and make it meta. Confident killers will ask to nerf calm spirit if it even becomes meta. Which would honestly be hilarious

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