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Errrm what? How is this any different to the current lanterns, technically when they are hooked the lantern is dropped, but yet you insist it promotes not saving?AlwaysInAGoodShape said:@Paddy4583 said:
It baffles me that you include this: Rarely contested: The dynamics of the event shouldn't incentivise players to not rescue. Because players lost their vessel when hooked, there was little incentive to rescue them if you could already steam their vessel» If for example only vessels were lost when being unhooked, then such incentive wouldn't have been lost. We want a system that thus promotes rescuing etc.And then think a good promotion to save someone is to be tunnelled by the killer after saving so they can destroy this bluewaffle, it’s like a baton race, and the waffle gets better for each dead survivor, seems counter intuitive to me.
Why would that person be tunnelled? If the killer is close, there is no reason for the survivor on the hook to hold on to the waffle. They simple drop it and have it respawn in a rack.
It's a primitive mistake on the hooked survivor's part, not a design flaw.
What the design of either keeping it when it's safe or dropping it when it isn't, is that it allows other players during the same match to also gain a hold of the item, so that it isn't 1 person with the item all the time.One step ahead of you there, bud.
Though what I was actually referring to was YOUR rules that the waffle is passed from the saved person to the rescuer... 4 hooks the item is destroyed, so the killer just needs to wait for the notification of the save an tunnel the waffle, you might think your one step ahead, but we aren’t even on the same path!! You can’t even remember your own event logics, Id say that’s a huge design flaw if you can’t remeber all the rules that you created, then there’s too many!
And if it’s dropped it is the same logics that the current event has already!
The balance that people are saying it has, would only last 30 mins of it going live until people realise
1: killers will never realistically get 12 hooks in a game.
2:Survivor objective can be destroyed
3:DCing prevents the Killers point scoring
It has all the same fundamental flaws as other events.
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It baffles me that you include this:
Rarely contested: The dynamics of the event shouldn't incentivise players to not rescue. Because players lost their vessel when hooked, there was little incentive to rescue them if you could already steam their vessel» If for example only vessels were lost when being unhooked, then such incentive wouldn't have been lost. We want a system that thus promotes rescuing etc.
And then think a good promotion to save someone is to be tunnelled by the killer after saving so they can destroy this bluewaffle, it’s like a baton race, and the waffle gets better for each dead survivor, seems counter intuitive to me.
leave survivor to die, waffle increases in usefulness and killer has to find you after you e picked it up instead of getting save notification.
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NightmareReborn said:
I think the devs need to hire you. You always prove a point using facts and statistics. Also, you offer solutions to problems you have with the game (which 70% of people here don't do).
Did you know 89% of statistics are made up on the spot... love the 70%NightmareReborn said:I think the devs need to hire you. You always prove a point using facts and statistics. Also, you offer solutions to problems you have with the game (which 70% of people here don't do).
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Killers get a hook with 2 hooks on it each hook has a random buff, only one can be activated from each of the 3 double hooks.Orion said:Can anyone jot down a TL;DR version?
survivors have some sort of waffle that only 1 can carry and receive “rush” buffs, but it’s only passed on once the survivor is rescued.
sounds like, killers get buffs that make them leave the hook and survivors have to rescue each other, but all survivors win the points if it makes it off the map. -
@MhhBurgers American is also not a religion
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I don’t think “American” is a raceMhhBurgers said:@Tucking_Friggered said:
@Paddy4583 said:
Luckily not all killers a pussys and they don’t all dodge at all, I think it’s an American thing, you know what they are like.Said someone that would not say so to anyone in America. We have tourists from the world over and I've never seen or heard one going on an anti-American rant in public. I guess talk is cheap and particularly easy online.
Nope, in America the outsiders are real humble and polite.
While he's racist, you're implying that Americans are somehow tougher than others which is also not true and also racist.
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The fact you moan about it and then excuse yourself for doing it to n the same sentence tells me all I need to know about you.SpongeBob420Pants said:@DocOctober said:
Fix the causes of lobby dodging first.What are you talking about? People will dodge over cosmetics, how can they fix that? Try re-reading the post.
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LOLDarkGGhost said:The truth is most survivors don't like a killer because it's way harder and demand so many skills ( main killer)
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Actually the whole thread is irrelevant!BO0ON said:Lol this is by far the most irrelevant response to this.. Thanks for your input though.. > @Paddy4583 said:
Luckily not all killers a pussys and they don’t all dodge at all, I think it’s an American thing, you know what they are like.
They gonna keep dodging, you can’t force people to play with you.
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The whole point of a survivor is to do gens and get the hell out of dodge. It’s just not a good idea. One hit killers with a mori offering can do what you’re suggesting the whole game and they will still camp and tunnel.thesuicidefox said:@Paddy4583 said:
Huh? Why would the survivors care if the killer loses rage, it doesn’t make sense, seems like the killer gets punished for their objective and survivors reward the killer for doing theirs.Id camp the hook and let the rage build if they are doing gens, and if they aren’t doing gens I still win, and if they swarm the hook I still win. The only way this seems to be of any use is if no hooks get made and the gens are done and at best you get to Mori one survivor, I don’t get how this would stop anything you’ve suggested it would stop
If killer loses RAGE then they can't mori you and thus it isn't even a factor in the game. If you kill someone via camping/tunneling, RAGE is disabled for the rest of the game.
You don't seem to understand. If you get a hook you lose some RAGE, which gives survivors the opportunity to complete more gens. RAGE also tics down over time, so if they decide to not do gens and swarm the hook then you are also indirectly losing RAGE because it tics down and they aren't doing gens to replenish it. You also don't get to mori just any survivor, only the ones that contributed to completing gens. So one counter play tactic would be to designate one survivor as the rescuer and they do no gens. If we assume the first person you catch didn't do any gens either and was just chased from near the start of the game, then you can only use RAGE on 2 survivors. If they rush gens and give you RAGE you have to go out and find one of the 2 survivors that did gens, meaning you can't just camp. And because RAGE basically requires 3 gens to pop very close together, if they hide and you lose RAGE then that's it you won't get it back. On top of the fact that if you catch/hook the non-gen rushers you also lose RAGE.
Most survivors don’t want to play a game of hide and seek while they wait for some timer to deplete so they can’t be downed, who needs that when The HEX for this already exists, because that’s pretty much your idea a built in HEX that already exists, with rules that stop killers playing how they choose, with a pretty pitiful pay off. -
It was said in a QandA along the lines of:Kaelum said:@Paddy4583 said:
Yep, they said they were not going to ever put a clown into the game too, don’t listen to the streams, they lieBHVR never once said that they wouldn't put a clown into the game, that was just a rumor that players were passing around. Prior to adding the clown, they did say that some people have real phobias about clowns, but they never said that they wouldn't add one because of that.
Will we have a clown killer?
No that would be silly!
Regardless it doesn’t change the point.
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Huh? Why would the survivors care if the killer loses rage, it doesn’t make sense, seems like the killer gets punished for their objective and survivors reward the killer for doing theirs.thesuicidefox said:@Paddy4583 said:
Why not camp the first hook and either they come to you and do no gens or they do gens and you get to mori them, yeah seems like a really good plan to stop nothingIf the guy dies on hook you lose RAGE completely. They can do 2 gens then have to make a save. If they want to keep going they simply need to wait. Plus you lose RAGE faster when you get hooks, which means they can do more gens sooner.
Id camp the hook and let the rage build if they are doing gens, and if they aren’t doing gens I still win, and if they swarm the hook I still win. The only way this seems to be of any use is if no hooks get made and the gens are done and at best you get to Mori one survivor, I don’t get how this would stop anything you’ve suggested it would stop -
Not really a good comparison though.NuclearBurrito2 said:
Amnesia dark dissent comes to mindPaddy4583 said:Can’t think of many stealth horror games to be honest -
Can’t think of many stealth horror games to be honest
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Yeah and the killer also has a stamina bar that depleted after 20 seconds and they can’t do any actions like lunge, valt or break pallets.NuclearBurrito2 said:Basically. Survivors can only sprint for 20 seconds or so before a stamina bar runs out and they can't sprint or use exhaustion perks or do fast actions. They can still do all other actions like normal including dropping pallets and slow vaulting. Every second not running recharges a second of run time. All exhaustion perks besides adrenaline cost 5 seconds worth of stamina to use with no other cost. Adrenaline fills your stamina to 200% max and heals you 1 state with no speed boost.
To compensate remove scratch marks entirely. All of them.
Might at least make for a cool alternate game mode cuz it would definitely be a HUGE change
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The point is a game with DCing survivors is as good as not having any, so your point is irrelevant to the topicvenom12784 said:Remember killers don't have a game without surviors either.
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Why not camp the first hook and either they come to you and do no gens or they do gens and you get to mori them, yeah seems like a really good plan to stop nothingthesuicidefox said:RAGE
RAGE is a new mechanic designed to be a soft solution to gen rushing, tunneling, and camping. It is meant to encourage players to AVOID these tactics, however it does not actively punish them, which is why I am calling it a soft solution. If you want to gen rush/camp or tunnel you can but it will come with a risk now.
-The RAGE meter fills up by 40% each time a generator is completed. This meter will regress at 1 c/s. RAGE becomes active when the meter reaches 100%.
-Once RAGE is activated, the killer can mori any survivor that repaired more than a total of 40% of all completed generators. This rule is ignored if the generator that activated RAGE also powers the Exit Gates.
-RAGE lasts until the meter is fully depleted. Using RAGE will instantly deplete the entire meter. RAGE depletes 50% faster for each survivor on a hook.*
-When a generator on the map is over 90% complete, the RAGE meter will flash red for survivors only.
-Survivors affected by RAGE will see a special symbol around their HUD icon. Survivors cannot see the RAGE status of other survivors. Killers cannot see the RAGE status of survivors.
-RAGE will be completely deactivated when a survivor dies.
-RAGE is disabled if the killer offers an Ivory or Ebony Memento Mori. However, the meter will still fill/deplete to keep the offering secret.
*(Alternative - RAGE depletes by 20% each time a survivor is hooked.)
EXPLANATION:
Basically RAGE is a meter based mechanic that will sway with the flow of the game and act as a sort of speed limiter to prevent games from going by too fast, either from gen rushing or from camping/tunneling. While it's more to slow the former, it has some checks in place to slow down the latter as well.
Is it perfect? No. That's part of why I'm posting it. The other part of why I'm posting is because @Giddawid has taken a more active role on the forums, and I had this idea floating around in my head for a while so I just figured 'screw it let's make a post about it'. I'm not expecting it to go anywhere, I'm just throwing it out to see what people think. If you want to come here and ######### on my idea ok, but I'm just trying to come up with alternative solutions to the generic "add another objective" or "punish killers for doing X" sort of thing.
I would like to explain the details of each part, but I'm feeling lazy so if you want to know WHY something is just ask please. I can explain reasons for everything.
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Yep, they said they were not going to ever put a clown into the game too, don’t listen to the streams, they lieBO0ON said: -
You can also get the killers through the play to pay system, and BBQ isn’t all that TBHSIlentCetra said:@SnakeSound222 said:
When it comes to perks from licensed DLC, you have to pray that they end up in the Shrine. That's the only way you can obtain them without spending money.Did not know about the shrine. Sounds like it is luck based to me.
That is pretty damn uncool to be honest. I remember when Battlefront tried to be blatantly P2W. The backlash was so bad that EA was forced to rework their entire system.
Probably too late for something like this to happen here, but Christ, seeing this crap in more and more games is enough to make one reconsider gaming as a hobby!
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Wondering how far down Id have to go to see this hook bummer post on a camping threadTsulan said:Camping was a planned feature since day one.
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TL:DR :HuntressShrimpTwiggs said:WARNING: WALL OF TEXT
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We all arePaiz said:I'm a killer main and i'm absolutely disappointed in my lack of skill!
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True storyShad03 said:@Paddy4583 said:
Shad03 said:@Paddy4583 said
100% convinced legion is a schizophrenic with DID
This also means every other survivor in the match shares in the Legion's delusion. There is no argument you can use to this point. Because if you present one, I'll explain why the argument you may show is wrong.
He outwardly projects his DID, they don’t share his delusion but they witness his illusion.
Nailed it!
... I think YOU need a doctor
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He outwardly projects his DID, they don’t share his delusion but they witness his illusion.Shad03 said:@Paddy4583 said
100% convinced legion is a schizophrenic with DIDThis also means every other survivor in the match shares in the Legion's delusion. There is no argument you can use to this point. Because if you present one, I'll explain why the argument you may show is wrong.
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I know it sucks, but really going for the weakest player that doesn’t have 2 hits to loop through is sometimes the strongest game play a killer can do, and it makes sense.
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Meg has a full sleeve tattoo in some vests and non in others, Meg isn’t the only survivor with a bust David had a good rack too.Shad03 said:@Paddy4583 said:
Shad03 said:@Paddy4583 said:
You realise legion is schizophrenic transtrender and not actually loads of physical people right?
Then they would be one convincing schizophrenic transtrender. Since they can change height, bust size, voice type, skin color, hair length, and being able to take on/off tattoos.
You know apart from voice and height and skin, youve literally described every costomized survivor out there.
I don't recall Meg's bust growing or shrinking just because you switched her shirt >.>
Also some (or one) survivor(s) (like David King) have a tattoo etched into his skin, no cosmetic (far as I know) can remove it.
I also realized you probably baited and I took it but I am a sucker for conversation.
Also the Legion is advertised as a group of four, so....
Neas doesn’t change size as much as they seem to have more support in some outfits and others she seems to be rocking the spaniels ears.
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You know apart from voice and height and skin, youve literally described every costomized survivor out there.Shad03 said:@Paddy4583 said:
You realise legion is schizophrenic transtrender and not actually loads of physical people right?Then they would be one convincing schizophrenic transtrender. Since they can change height, bust size, voice type, skin color, hair length, and being able to take on/off tattoos.
but: Heels, fillets, voice changer, Tan, wig, transfers.... next.
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I’m pretty sure Micheal was defeated in one of the movies because they used his fear against him.Dehitay said:Freddy might seem like he has the advantage, but his power is based on other's fear of him so he can manifest in their dreams. Leatherface and the Legion are really the only killers I see being overcome by fear. Shape is pretty much unkillable based on his movies, so he might have the advantage in the end. Hard to tell if any other killers share the same resistance to harm since most of them are never truly attacked in the realm.
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You realise legion is schizophrenic transtrender and not actually loads of physical people right?friendlykillermain said:personally i dont see the shape having much of a problem but legion have numbers on their team so its all up to interpretation
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Don’t need it
dont want it
its just a venting ground and if I wanted to speak to people I’d go outside thanks -
This... this is why we don’t get real fixes because The issues raised aren’t being addressed only the outcome and people believe it must be bettertwistedmonkey said:They increased killer points by a fairly small amount but it meant I average 30 points per killer game and around 20 with survivor.
After the last event they still fail to realise people will play the side which it's easier to achieve the points on so naturally the queues will become longer.
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No because because that’s not what would happen and you know it, and it’s the reason it works the way it does.AntiJelly said:@Paddy4583 said:
Paiz said:Getting a 4k in a very short time or without 1 gen being completed (at least in high ranks). Yeah, there's already the reward of bloodpoints and xp you get for every match but matches like those feel like a real accomplishment. Something like "Quick Trial - 1000 sacrifice points" seems like enough. I'd also like to see end of season rewards but everyone already wants that.
Wants Reward for shot matches
Will moan when gen rushed and game to short? Wouldn't you want killers who absolutely destroyed a team to rank above them? Isn't it intrinsically bad for there to be higher skilled players playing against lower skilled players?
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I believe the timer stops if another survivor takes a lamp. At leat that’s what seems to happen from what I’ve seen.Jplanas98 said:The timer for destroying vessels seems like it's messed up. There are times where it seems to last a good 30 seconds, and times where it seems to last 5 seconds. I had just hooked someone and it took me about 10 seconds to get to the vessel , as soon as I got there it changed colors and was unbreakable again. This is another reason I don't like playing killer for this event.
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They are just trying to prove something, we all know they are wrong, this is nowhere near the levels of LoL at all.Eninya said:@PiiFree said:
League is NOWHERE near as toxic. Not even close. Neither is CS:GO or Dota 2 and similar.
Dead By Daylight has a whole new level of toxicity. Deathwishes, wishing someones kids / wife to get cancer, getting raped to death ect? That's just sick. And that happens AT LEAST once a week. They leave insulting comments on steam profiles and whatever other social media account is connected to it.
Wow, you didn't play LoL at all, then. Seasons 2-4 were this mid-game in every match, and then the post-game chat, and then angry whispers. And since you could naturally get re-queued with these people easily in the next few games, you dealt with it again.
There's been blogs dedicated to ######### like this, and it's a major contributing factor to the creation of the tribunal system in LoL. How did you miss that?
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Oh wait I didn’t need to it’s tells you right under the words: You’ve been banned
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Let me just use my mystic ball and I’ll get back too you
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I think they are still buggy
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Rules are:
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Play killer, or get used to it, if you can’t beat me join emThe_Crusader said:Please change this event, it's garbage as survivor. I've never been sandbagged so much. It's really frustrating. Everyone is leaving each other on hooks too. -
Wants Reward for shot matchesPaiz said:Getting a 4k in a very short time or without 1 gen being completed (at least in high ranks). Yeah, there's already the reward of bloodpoints and xp you get for every match but matches like those feel like a real accomplishment. Something like "Quick Trial - 1000 sacrifice points" seems like enough. I'd also like to see end of season rewards but everyone already wants that.
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Thanksnot_Queen said:We are listening, there are a lot of details involved when it comes to game development and we can't talk / communicate until we have a clear plan.
Here are the steps we are taking / took to react to the Community feedback on the event.
- Fix the launch issue - No event progression (2h)
- Sent a hotfix for crashes and the false vessel progression for survivors (Next day PC / Friday on PS4 / Monday on XBOX) Console updates take a bit more time because they need to be approved.
- While 1-2 were going on we were also busy getting feedback from the Community on the Event itself.
We came up with 4 main points: Not enough progression from the killer side / Not enough offerings in the Bloodweb / Longer matchmaking on survivor side / Not enough Bloodpoint generation from the offerings. - Once the 1-2 issues were fixed, we analyzed data on matchmaking to try and isolate the problem causing the extended survivor queues and rule out a bug.
- Then, we needed to chose to push a hotfix and decide what we could include in the hotfix that can match the Community feedback. We chose to change the Killer event progression as well as the Offering spawn rate. (for more details: https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/45458/moonrise-event-balance-hotfix#latest)
- Today, we are pushing the first balance change to the killer event progression and we hope it will improve the killer's event experience and improve the survivor matchmaking. This update is to the backend so players won't have to download anything.
- We are planning the hotfix this week to adjust the spawning rate of event offerings as well as correct the text to match our balance backend changes.
Hope this helps
The rest are bugs and other issues that have been reported to QA.
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You know what a strawman is right?AntiJelly said:@Gorgonia said:
AntiJelly said:@Gorgonia said:
So, I have to run around the map doing gens, avoiding your ruin, avoiding your hits, your camping and tunneling yet I manage to finish all 5 gens but door needs to be nerfed because... I haven’t earned it?
you got a lot of perks to help you gain advantage once all gens are finished, make better use of them. They even give you an opening time for gates that you can still alter with such perks but then again I should spend even way more time doing it so you can have a free kill. How about earning something once in a while?
What made you earn a 16 second gate opening time? No one has "earned" anything here.
If you couldn’t kill me during the time I got to complete 5 gens, then you totally don’t deserve a kill, at least not mine, and I earned my escape. But then again you got NOED, you can cheese your way to 4k then
Well, I think you need to stop setting up a strawman here. I could use the same "YOU GENRUSHED AS SWF" strawman against you. If you deserved to escape, there wouldn't be an exit gate timer, you would just be able to leave. I'm saying if it's to stay as an objective, it should be treated as such.
You just end up with another stand off to complain about, I just watched the end game with 2 survivors avoiding the gates because they didn’t want to get killed, while Myers was
running between them both, 15 mins until one eventually got caught and the other had found the hatch by then, adding extra time as standard will not really effect survivors but will get killers complaining. I can see the posts now about survivors holding game hostage because they won’t go to open the gates, the reason they have 2 in the first place.
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Your opinion only.Dreamnomad said:@JanTheMan said:
Just make a casual and ranked mode like most games have.And have SWF banned from ranked.
Lol, you have that backwards don't you? Casual is for the solo survivors and SWF is for the ones who are more serious.
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I never understood why that wasn’t the option to start with to be honest, as soon as they are placed they become active and can’t be replaced, obviously NOED wouldn’t be in this category as that would be abused.Ryuhi said:@Paddy4583 said:
Cardgrey said:Or as I've said when u pick the perk it loads all the maps and let's u place it
That’s a lot of variations to load and place, all those tiles and rotations, you’d be there all day.
Or the killer could just spawn with it and place it just like the traps get placed.
I also don’t think any totems should be lit, they should all be dull and stay that way, there is no need to make them easier to spot for a survivor.
Totems need to have more risk added to them, so that cleansing them causes an effect on the survivor.
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They probably aren’t doing anything because the “issues” are as normalDelsKibara said:With the amount of discourse that is going on in every kind of forum I can think of (Steam, Reddit, this one) about the event, you'd think we would get an official statement regarding the queue times and rebalancing the points so that Killers are worthwhile to play.
But nope, we just get another update that, while thankfully, fixes some problems with the event. Still hasn't fixed the core issue with the event. The long wait times.No one wants to play Killer because Survivors get more points. But Survivors CAN'T get points because no one wants to play Killer. This is ridiculous. I'd expect BHVR to have an official statement regarding this current event. But it feels like they're not even listening.
inflated and a lot of crying about nothing.
Im not struggling on either side to get matches, or points, and they can see what’s happening with actual data, so they can ignore the crying and see the facts.
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Try now
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That’s a lot of variations to load and place, all those tiles and rotations, you’d be there all day.Cardgrey said:Or as I've said when u pick the perk it loads all the maps and let's u place it
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Haha you are misguided if you think killers can only guess SWF from the load in.Okapi said:
The devs are going to change how lobbies work so all 4 survivors load in at the same time no matter if they’re 4 solos or a full SWF squad.Gamzello said:SWF groups has a higher chance of winning against killers. But it doesn’t necessarily mean that all SWF are good. I play with my bf on PS4 and we’re like average. We still have our moments of losing or dying mid-match.
Just dodge if you see a 4-man?
Dodging will be useless soon.
PC users can quickly check FL of loaded players and make an educated guess in the time it takes to countdown, Dodging will stay exactly how it is until the imbalance is addressed, it’s the only cause of action a killer has because their issues are not being addressed or acknowledged