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@Bovinity said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1257361#Comment_1257361
Psst...sometimes you actually have to rely on your gameplay to win, not just thinking that rock, paper, scissors with perks will do it for you.
From a killer main who just got spoon fed a loop-annihilating patch with less palettes and windows because your basekit speed boost and high Mobility killer selection wasn't good enough. 😂 OK buddy. 👌
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Considering I never see posts here about it, I would guess no. Especially since a lot of ppl run BW and NOED together, leaving NOED to overshadow any hate for BW. LoL
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@tiffanyq1 said:
It has happened to me a fair few times and other survivors in the same game as me. A survivor unhooking you right Infront of the killer as soon as you've been hooked. More often than not the killer will down me right away and hook me again and the same process will repeat meaning a quick game for me, and probably the others in that game. Do you as another survivor try to help, stay clear of them, DC, or even as killer do you go for the person who was hooked or the one unhooking?
I don't play much as killer myself, but when I do I will only down an already hooked survivor until I have booked someone different, I don't expect the same when playing survivor, just curious as to what others do.
As Killer, I go for the person doing the unsafe off-hook, as the hooked person has absolutely no control.
As a survivor, there's little you can do. I will try and off-hook with BT if I think it's the safer option, since I run it all the time.
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@Steah said:
If DS is suppose to be an anti tunneling perk, then multiple decisive strikes should not be active at the same time
Except it isn't an anti-tunneling perk. That is just one of it's core uses. So it functions exactly as it is supposed to.
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@Dolls said:
Who cares if people hog totems. The totrms are there to be cleansed. If you cleansed it you should get the stack. If someone else brought the perk and never found any..tough luck.
I go around and cleanse all the totems before I work on gens. I dont use inner strength and I don't care if my fellow survivors use it. First come first serve for totems, I say. I don't want to deal with NOED.
I don't see any reason it shouldn't stack.
I really hope I never have the misfortune of playing with you.
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Although I completely disagree with people not feeling any obligation to care whether or not the other people in the match enjoy themselves. Or who garner their enjoyment out of the misery of others. Hard pass.
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Agreed. If the survivor can get back on a gen and start working, they aren't being tunneled. Whoever thinks that doesn't actually know what tunneling is.
Side note: that doesn't mean DS shouldn't work.
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@Yamaoka said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1258008#Comment_1258008
Sounds like you meme when you see an opportunity to do so (correct me if I'm wrong). If I notice someone's a meme player I typically go along and fool around during the match allowing everyone to chill as I rarely kill someone if I decide to make it a meme match. I even have an old video sample from nearly half a year ago:
I slugged them within the first 2 minutes (speedrun-4k as usual) but when they were all on the ground they followed me through the map like a snake. It was just funny and unexpected so I ended up farming and letting everyone go.
Long story short: I can play empathetically but people need to do something random and funny otherwise I just do what my chainsaw allows me to do quickly (sometimes).
Sometimes I meme...go play "survivor pig" and "do gens" with the survivors. 😂
Most of the time I play normal, because too much memeing also makes people mad. LUL I just keep an eye on who I'm chasing/hooking and try to spread it out. If I keep crossing paths with the same, sad, injured survivor in what is clearly a group of random, I'll just keep on going and leave them be until they get healed and get back in the game. It's not all kittens and rainbows. Sometimes people mistake my kindness for weakness and try to get my attention with teabagging and flashlight clicking. Those people usually aren't afforded the same niceties. 😂
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Yes, my theory is that DBD is just a massive social experiment. 😂
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@Respectfulnancymain said:
Im sure we've all seen posts claming killer is "stressful". Why keep playing if you get stressed? Your supposed to enjoy playing. why not play survivor or play a diffrent game?
Probably for the same reason I keep playing survivor, even though it can be bash your brains in obnoxious...you know it has the potential to be really fun. Having a great match is euphoric. You are naturally drawn to things that make you feel good. It just sucks that you repeatedly have to wade through unpredictable bullshit to get there. But sometimes the pay off is so sweet. 😂
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@ChainsawCharlie said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1258029#Comment_1258029
I agree they didn't need to take away struggle points. You know what I would do as killer? Go around and kick stuff and get extra BP myself. Or find the hatch and close it when it opened. Or spam my ability to get extra Deviousness. I am however extremely happy they killed god loops although that abomination of a map Disturbed Ward is still skulking around.
When I feel like I need to gain some BP, I just play Killer. BP is a lot easier when it's not shared and people can't take you out of a match before you have a chance to do anything. LOL
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Always a Legion. 🙄
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@ChainsawCharlie said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1257972#Comment_1257972
Woah woah woah hold on buddy. You've been on these forums for long enough right? Do you not remember like 3 months ago how everybody was screaming about the Devs being survivor sided? Do you not see how these forums teeter back and forth? Anytime survivors get a nerf, the Devs are killer sided and any time killers get a nerf they're survivor sided. It never fails. After sitting through the Nurse, Spirit, Freddy, Oni, Ruin nerfs and everything else, I was pretty annoyed myself...but then they hit instaheals and BL and are now working on balancing maps that have been in need of balancing for a LONG time. At this point I think they're just being good Devs. Second class citizens? Come on, you know that's silly.
A glorious year and a half ago this game was more survivor sided. I remember it fondly. I miss my insta-heals and my speedy self care. My toolboxes and my full BNPs. My styptic agents and my hatch stand offs. *dreamy sigh*
But I don't think you can argue that the changes implemented for the last year+ have been in favor of Killers (with a handful of small exceptions, which do not remotely out number the amount of changes that have increased difficulty and decreased fun for survivors). I agree, balance changes were needed. I, too, want Killers to have fun. However, there is no question that all of these changes - mainly aimed at improving Killer's viability against SWF - has cucked the solo and random survivor base really hard. This game is a lot less enjoyable for that segment of player with every patch that has been implemented in the last year. Solos are getting really almost no consideration in this equation, since they lack the advantages of SWF, aren't the root cause of the balance changes, and also make up the largest group of players.
It's definitely not silly. I agree, it's a pendulum, right? It swings one direction and then the other. Right now, it's been swinging in the direction of Killers and ignoring solos for a long time now. When I see a patch that doesn't needlessly take more away from solo survivors (I'm not talking good balance changes like god loops, I'm talking things like struggle points? why? Pointless.), I might retract my thoughts on that. But until then, it's very clear that the most important QoL right now is Killers.
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I have experienced several instances of being exposed while looking right at him, in range...being exposed through walls/rocks. That ######### is broken AF. I do not like GF from either side.
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@Yamaoka said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1257851#Comment_1257851
At around 4000 hours I know what it feels like to be on the receiving end on both sides - not gonna lie.
However something I noticed during my time playing DBD is that people mostly act the same no matter how I play so I don't see much of a reason to not play the game the way I enjoy it most.
As killer I really enjoy doing "4k-speedruns" and as survivor I really enjoy running the killer all day while messing with their focus using flashlights.
On a side note lately I've been meeting lots of VERY good sports on both sides.
One survivor recently messaged me saying something like "as soon as I saw the mask (I always wear Meg's face) I knew it was you! gg Bubba Sawyer"
and as survivor some killers gave me hatch after several failed matches as they probably realized all that flashlight clicking is just my desperate attempt of luring them away from my solo queue teammates haha...
Seems like the communty isn't all salty after all. Lots of chill people.
I think I have the most fun when I think everyone is having fun. Maybe I'm just a very empathetic person. LOL
When I play Killer, I enjoy making sure others have a fair shake. I go out of my way not to re-hook the same person twice in a row. I don't camp/tunnel. I don't use NOED or mori or iri addons. If I play a powered up insta-down Killer, I don't slug to maximize my power. Sometimes I opt not to death hook anyone, just to see if I can pip without it. Depends on whether or not I'm playing for fun or playing for dailies. When I get outta the match and everyone has over 22k points and had fun...thats what I enjoy.
When I play Survivor, I love having good chases. I like presenting a challenge, but if the Killer isn't having a good match - as long as I know I'll safety pip, I'll let him down me or even kill me. As will the one person who I play with sometimes, because we figure 2 in 2 out is balance and Killers deserve points/pips too. I don't teabag unless the Killer is being a real asshat on purpose. I don't clicky clicky my flashlights. If I think someone has a daily, I make sure they can get their hits or power up or zaps before I leave, etc. I'll step in a trap on purpose if it seems like Trap Daddy needs his daily. 😂
I have always loved multi-player games and having fun in groups. So, I think my enjoyment stems somewhat from everyone's enjoyment. If I crush someone else and I know if I was in their shoes it would be frustrating or upsetting...that doesn't bring me any joy.
I definitely wish more people played this game like I do. The one thing I will say is that being able to be nice is almost a luxury for survivors. It is admittedly much harder to PIP as Killer. If it were a little more even with survivors, perhaps people wouldn't feel so compelled to be toxic because they could reach their goal while playing a fun, light hearted match. Maybe not. But maybe. 😂
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@SmarulKusia said:
So, with the new patch, survivors can no longer take the game hostage by struggling on hook (Also denying the last survivor/s from their struggle points).
Another way that survivors have been denied of taking the game hostage is by having a timer on when gates open. Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of denying people taking the game hostage, but why has this been so survivor-sided?
Killers can slug, facecamp, camp gates which only delays the game.
Survivors can't even loop/run the killer without the game taking the killer's hand and helping them through bloodlust, whereas a survivor gets none of this. I don't understand why the game rewards ######### playstyle/'strategies' on the killers side, but survivors have anything and everything taken away from them.
Because survivors are second class citizens atm. :) You're supposed to be happy they fixed broken window vaulting stutters (not hit priority, just the act of vaulting) and look the other way at all the other changes in this patch that suck a fat one. LOL
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@Entity_Hugs said:
Wait, are you upset that, if every Survivor is now hooked, you all die? Are you actually complaining that you can't needlessly delay the game just to spite the Killer?
No one is needlessly delaying the game to spite the Killer. Survivors have every right to be annoyed that Devs obviously care mainly about Killer QoL right now. The last survivor in a match has ALWAYS been cucked. Game is stacked against them. They never got to even kobe (even if they have Deliverance), nor did they get struggle points despite it being their first hook. Which makes no sense and is robbing them of the opportunities every other survivor who died before them had. Instead of fix this issue, they compounded it by robbing everyone in struggle phase who gets hooked of their last points of struggle. All so Killers aren't inconvenienced an extra 60 seconds while winning a match. This is ridiculously stupid. Killers already earn BP at a higher rate than survivors...so what do they do? Take more BP away from survivors. 🙄 This was not a broken mechanic in the game. This was not a terrible pain point for Killers. This change was literally just an unnecessary cuck to survivors. Which was really dumb.
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Devs should just implement most of the fan art for the contest. Its very clear that DBD players are far better at designing attractive cosmetics than some of the games designers. 😂
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@ChainsawCharlie said:
My longest game was when a Claudette DCed JUST as I hooked her so she could give her Claudette friend the hatch. I knew where the hatch was (the other side of the map) and upon hooking, I saw with BBQ that she was standing right on top of it. So I just stood there and waited for the escape. It never came. I got annoyed because I was certain she was just waiting for me to get near, so she could teabag and make me watch her jump in. So I instead just walked inside the killer shack and stood there for a while. So much time had passed by I finally gave in and went over to the hatch. It wasn't open. The timing of the DC caused the hatch to glitch and now it was sealed shut unless she had a key.
What proceeded next was the longest 30 minutes of my life. One Oni. One Blendette. A very dark map, no blood orbs to collect, and 2 gens left.
The entire match up to that point was maybe 10 minutes long, so by the end of it, I was in this match for almost 45 minutes. The Blendette wouldn't do any gens, show herself, or stay idle for crows. She wanted me to DC. I refused. When I found her, I let her bleed out for the full duration because I was so jaded at that point, and I proceeded to play the NFL theme song for mt stream while she crawled around on the floor. Just as she was about to bleed out entirely, I activated my Cypress Mori. Was that mean? Yes. Did she deserve it? Also yes. Am I proud of my action. Yes.
And you are the reason people are lobbying for a suicide option when slugged. 🤣
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Recently, my longest match was a Legion. Probably 25 minutes of nothing but mending/healing, mending/healing, mending/healing. They didnt commit to chases and weren't really good at catching people. Just injuring them. *le sigh* their matches are so damn boring.
In the history of my DBD matches, my second longest would be keeping a nurse on a map who insisted on the hard camp/tunnel of my teammates. This was before EGC. She wanted to be spicy and try and end everyone's match prematurely, so I just went super immersive and evaded her until she quit, probably 30 minutes later. I don't promote this, but I also didn't feel bad about it.
Longest would definitely be a hatch stand off. I literally have had a 'test of wills' hatch stand off for 40+ minutes. 😂 I honestly miss it. New hatch is lame and sucked all the fun out of it for survivors.
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Yeah, I dont mind if it locks you in at that pt, but why cant you click the button? LOL
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@sulaiman said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1256345#Comment_1256345
I track the killer, number of kills, if i escaped, by what means i escaped (gate, hatch, hatch with key), what methods the killer employed (camping/tunneling/mori/noed/instadown (on killers that dont have them per default), as well as the rank range, as well as other comments (one killer told me he was streamsniping the other survivor, as well as dcs, hooksuicide and other means that can falsify the statistic signigicance)
I should have keep score of the map as well, but only start to do that now, because i cant remember the names. I play solo, and are thinking about keeping track of the other survivors perks (like ds, bt, the whole metaperk bunch).
Its quite intresting. My survival rate is between 70-80%, but 100% of my 4k games involved camping and tunneling, often with a mori.
A lot of the 3k games did this as well.noed isnt that often used as i expected. But then, i havnt reached the 100 games mark since the patch yet, and even then the number of games i play are of no statistical significance, and can still be an outlier. But Escapes over 70% takes a lot of stress away, even if you got a number of bad games in a row.
This is really cool. You're inspiring me to get off my arse and get this done. :) It also might cause less frustration if even in an agonizing death I can consider it a "for science!" opportunity to collect data. 🤣
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@MPGamer18 said:
I switch platforms when one gets too toxic and then take a break for a few weeks. You have to.
I took about a month off the game a little while ago. The only thing that brought me back was a friend wanting to play together. Breaks are good. I wish I had more multi-player games I was really into tho. I pretty much just play DBD, 7 Days or Ark. I'd love more variety, but don't like solo play games.
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@ChainsawCharlie said:
I crack open a bottle of Proper 12 babyyyyy! Then I probably hit some of that sweet vape juice and then scream at my TV in a kind of battle cry and then switch to my strongest killer with my best add-ons and say "Daddy's gotta tinkle" And proceed to have an "all you can ######### buffet" on whatever poor souls match up with me in the next trial. But that rarely happens.
Most times when I'm playing, I'm on stream, with my music playing and just relaxing and talking to chat. This usually keeps me calm. I used to get mad at this game and then I made a conscious decision to just learn from my shortcomings rather than get angry and blame some outside force like "Toxic SWF."
Why can I totally picture this so clearly... 😂🍻
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@Yamaoka said:
I don't feel stress playing DBD as I just slug-4k as killer
and clicky clicky-spam-5gen-loop as survivor:
Or to say it differently: I just play/enjoy the game and ignore unwritten rules. If people didn't take the game so seriously no one would feel stress.
I hear you. I understand the concept of "its just a game" or "dont take it too seriously". I think it bothers me because I paid to play a game that I know can be really fun. And I also have a limited amount of time to play. So on nights like last night, where every single match my opponent is playing like you described - with absolutely zero consideration of others and their enjoyment as well - and I'm on the receiving end of it during the only time I had alotted to have a little fun after a long day, it's hard to brush off. If people were just mildly more considerate on both sides, more people could have a lot of fun more often.
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I don't think I like this.
The percentage is low. This could encourage people to hook farm to get their stack.
It also doesn't matter if you add any time to the second phase if all survivors get hooked, as they all now immediately die when in 2nd phase. Its a waste of time/points.
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@Bovinity said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1256556#Comment_1256556
Survivors: "Don't tunnel!"
Also Survivors: "I'm thirsty for those unhook points, so I'm gonna unhook right in your face every time."
Also survivors 2: "Look! Now the killer is tunneling and camping because he had the nerve to hit me when I unhooked right in their face! I have to run BT and DS now, even though I really just hate to do it. Really don't want to, honest. But now that I'm running them, I'm gonna REALLY unhook right in your face and blame you!"
This scenario is just not a thing unless someone is a troll or you're going against a coordinated SWF with the perks to justify it. I play solo randoms a ton and the number of times people run in before the Killer even has a chance to leave is extremely minimal unless they are an ######### and legit farming you. It's way more likely to be the opposite - they won't run in until every ounce of heart beat is gone. The person on the hook has ABSOLUTELY NO CONTROL over being farmed. The killer has ALL THE CONTROL over tunneling a survivor. So if you don't like it when people farm someone off the hook in your face, punish the idiot doing the farming, not the victim of it. 🙄
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@Zixology said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1256616#Comment_1256616
Weird how I never run into people calling me a tunneler/camper when playing killer. If I see someone rushing for a hook save in my face, I go after the guy who rushed. Not the guy who was on the hook due to it not being their fault. Almost like punishing the guy who unhooked before I could leave.
Weird how well that works.
BIG. #########. FACTS.
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@Skittlesthehusky said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1256354#Comment_1256354
on my youtube channel, skittlesthehusky!
i don't have too many things up since most videos i make about my demogorgon are personal projects atm, but i do have two videos about my demo and hillbilly if you wanna take a look ^^
AND MAN I FEEL THAT LMAO
I love how in the Billy video you go from hardcore Billy to softy Billy. 😂
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@McLightning said:
I de-stress by going in as Oni and slugging everyone early, and letting them all bleed out.
You'd be surprised how little people run unbreakabill. At least in my games.
🤣🤣🤣
Poor little survivors.
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I don't think so. I like this perk. Its a very fast heal. Having to activate it one totem at a time seems fair and incentivizes paced, alternative objectives to gens. If it did stack, it would need a limit of 2, max. Otherwise I could see a wise ass running around at the start of the match knocking out all the totems so they could have an easy, short heal all match while everyone else with the perk is screwed. LOL
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@Skittlesthehusky said:
i too like to make little videos to destress! i typically make videos about my demogorgon since i love my boy.
i actually plan on making a 3d animation with him at some point too, so that's just a lil thing that makes me super happy :0
Do you post them anywhere we could see? 👀
I often fall down the DBD rabbit hole on YouTube. It costs me a lot of sleep. LOL
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@Terra92 said:
Don't play this game, that's for sure. Nothing like coming home after a twelve hour shift to run into a lobby where either side trolls the hell out of you, then calls you a degenerate and to ######### for being a bad player.
Like honestly sometimes I wonder why I olay this game, that thought has been popping up more often recently.
On a side note, I love how this post is basically an ad for your channel lol. Subtle plug is not so subtle.
I agree. It feels pretty balls to work all day and come and settle into a game you know in your heart CAN be fun, only for it to be a real dumpster fire. 😂
And I would not recommend anyone follow that channel. 🤣 I haven't streamed in a year and only recently started using it to save these little videos in hopes someone else might also fine them amusing. 👍️
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@Xzan said:
I play Nurse after a bad round.
Or I play another game where I don't get stressed, like Stardew Valley.
Is it weird that I'm bad at Stardew Valley? My farming skills are extremely subpar. 😂
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@sulaiman said:
Why did it take a turn for the worst? (serious question)
I usually play both survivor and killer, but survivor way more. At the moment i play killer only for dailys and rift challanges, because killer is way to stressing. So i relax by playing survivor.
As survivor, i started keeping statistics since the patch came out, and this put a lot of things into perspective for me.
Tonight this was my 5th camp/tunnel match in a row. So by turn for the worst, I mean the night started out optimistic and just got progressively less fun with each match. The teabagging camp and tunnel Pig being the cherry atop my camp and tunnel sundae. LOL
I find survivor doesn't have the same opportunity for retribution as Killer, which I think makes it more frustrating for me, even though I like playing it more and am better at it. I play Killer when I want a break but still want to play or feel like the toxicity for survivors has reach a level that requires some niceties to balance it out.
I've thought it would be fun to collect some data on my matches just to see it. I like analytics. I'm just not sure which data points I'd want to collect. What do you track?
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@sulaiman said:
I dont think its bannable. Bodyblocking is not bannable at all, and since the survivors just can do gens and trigger egc, i dont think its holding the game hostage. I might be wrong, but bodyblocking is listed in the non-bannable "offences".
Also, you would need video proof for anything to happen.
There was a just a post in the forums in which someone was being body blocked in a corner before/after EGC was initiated and Peanits advised it is reportable: https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/150071/how-am-i-meant-to-save-this-guy/p1
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A 4man slug.
That just tastes bad in my mouth. 🤢
Don't play Huntress if you're going to play her like that. She is a queen. She deserves better.
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I mean, this post title completely ignores the fact that it makes the Killer's fragile ego feel better. That's a positive, right?
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@Bovinity said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1256015#Comment_1256015
"#########", also known as...killers who try to kill you? Yeah, I only run BBQ because of those mean survivors who run away and hide and do gens. Because that makes them "#########" and I have no choice. 🙄
The hell is wrong with people, survivors are so entitled that a killer just playing the game is an "#########" now.
No, I love Killers who try and Kill me. I hate #########. I know you're trying to draw a cheeky comparison, but there is no equitable comparison to be made. A survivor running away doesn't completely incapacitate you and ruin your entire match. :) Only Killers can do that. Killers who are #########. I just call them #########. I'm glad we cleared that up. <3
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@Steah said:
This post really just goes to show how delusional and bias some peoples thinking is
LOL, yes, yours.
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@Bovinity said:
Oh for ######### sake.
You run those perks because they're incredibly good. Almost invincibility in organized groups. Not because some killer bullied you into taking them.
Nah fam.
I would love to run other perk combos for fun and different play styles. It's just not possible if you want to live against #########.
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I was going to say latency, but ok. LOL
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@Steah said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1255733#Comment_1255733
Damn you're almost as salty as killers who cry about gen rushing. Just doing the objective efficiently is all. If yoou don't want no control on the hook then don't get hooked
LOL, that is one of the most ignorant statements anyone can make about this game. 🤣
You clearly don't have anything intelligent to add about your own post, so I guess I'm on to the next. GGEZ. <3
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@Rivyn said:
If killer is 'laughably easy,' why do survivor players outnumber killer players?
People tend to prefer the multi-player aspect of games.
You can play survivor with your friends.
Some people aren't into the Killer's aggressive mechanics.
Some people prefer to be scared vs. scaring others.
If more survivors did not exist, queue times would be so unbearable the game would die.
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@Raven014 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1253382#Comment_1253382
So... they disagree with you, so you decide their opinion is worthless? That's a great way to debate people...
It's not my fault their opinion was legitimately worthless.
"Facecamping isn't toxic." - I think we all know that something that completely disables a person from playing the game they paid for and queued for, just like you, while eliminating their ability to gain points and tanking their rank - completely outside of their control - is toxic. This isn't even a question up for debate. It's a fact.
"I am a believer that Killers in general are unable to be toxic." - both sides are fully capable of being toxic.Just because someone plays a Killer, which has an inherent sense of immorality, doesn't mean that as a player they cannot perform their functions in a toxic manner. This is a thinly veiled scapegoat for unsportsmanlike behavior, and a pretty pathetic one at that.
"If the Killer is Facecamping, leave them to it and go do gens." - this solution is barely viable and typically results in only 2 people escaping. Even then, they get terrible points and potentially depip because camping eliminates two significant objectives needed to generate points and pips for both side, but effects survivors more because their point structure is shared.
"...everything a Killer does can be countered by competent Survivors." - this is a fallacy. The most competent of survivors cannot do anything to save a teammate against an insta-down, face camping Killer. The idea of "just don't get caught", for how to avoid face camping, is the most ignorant statement someone can make. Killers are designed to catch survivors and survivors are designed to be caught. If the game didn't work this way, it wouldn't be very fun.
Nothing this person said was based in anything other than their own lack of empathy or conscience. I have no interest in really debating a narcissistic sociopath. This is, however, an open forum. Where I have every right to tell them their viewpoint failed to even meet the minimum requirements for consideration. 👍️
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@ChainsawCharlie said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1255692#Comment_1255692
It is your teammate's responsiblity to safely unhook them, not the killer's.
It is your teammate's responsibility to have BT if the killer is still in Terror Radius. If they unhook in front of the killer without BT they carry all the blame. The killer is not responsible for any of this.
It's actually LAZY and SKILLESS for the survivor to just farm their teammates instead of being patient and waiting for the killer to be at a safe distance, or carry with them perks to help their team.
Very rarely do my teammates end up getting tunneled off of hook, because I do it at smart times. You don't just run up braindead and hold M1 or R1 and expect the murderous psychopath to go along with your idea of how HE should play the game.
The blame is on YOU and that must feel bad for a lot of survivors, so they deflect blame.
The Killer is not responsible for any of their actions, apparently.
Except, no. When you play solo survivor, YOU are not your teammates. You cannot depend on randoms to do the right thing and should not have to be victim because of their inability to play well or carry the right perks for their attempted game play. The person on the hook has ZERO CONTROL over what's happening. The survivor off-hooking only has MILD CONTROL over what's happening. The Killer has TOTAL CONTROL over what happens post-off-hook. So yes, A LOT of the onus is on the Killer in this situation.
And you forget that sometimes there is no way NOT to off-hook within the Killer's terror radius when they refuse to go anywhere. Which is super ######### often these days.
I don't disagree...there are idiot people who could have made a safe save and don't. THOSE PEOPLE SHOULD DIE. Not the poor person on the hook - who doesn't know them and had nothing to do with the decision. And it's completely in a Killer's control to make that decision.
No one is deflecting blame. You are ignoring Killers who intentionally camp and tunnel. A killer can leave the radius of the hook, but stay close enough that while the hook animation is taking place they can get back in eyesight of the hook easily and tunnel. Did the survivor wait until it was as safe as it was ever going to bed? Yes. Did the Killer still make a toxic choice to run back to the hook to tunnel, absolutely. This happens every. #########. day.
There is absolutely no comparison between doing gens and tunneling. Tunneling is one of the most toxic and idiotic way to play this game if you want people to continue to play with you. And as much as you clearly immerse yourself in the role of Killer, it's not expecting a psychopath to "go along with your idea", it's expecting another fellow game lover and human being to give a tiny bit of shits about someone other than themselves.
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Why is it because someone else acts like a bad apple, the entire bunch gets the blames for it?
Besides that, maybe if a lot of survivors would stop unhooking 10 seconds after the killer walks away, then attempt to heal right under the hook in the ######### open, and then QQ about tunneling, well, maybe they'd get tunneled a lot less in general. I'd never blame a killer for tunneling, when the survivors clearly don't respect the killer's presence or expect the killer to ignore them.
Which is one of the problems I have with DS. DS exists, so survivors expect killers to just ignore them if they just got unhooked.
Are you seriously suggesting that the majority of Killers don't camp and tunnel? Because I can assure you, that is not true. It might not be true for you when you play Killer, but camp and tunnel is standard game play in the vast majority of the matches I am in. There is no one BUT the Killer to blame for tunneling because tunneling is an absolute choice. I don't disagree that sometimes people make idiot decisions and off-hook too quickly. The hooked person has NO CONTROL over that. So what do Killers do? Go for the person who had absolutely no say. It's cheap. Also, when the Killer's presence never dissipates, there is no other option than to let them die or off-hook in front of the Killer. I don't expect Killers to go for someone else when I get off-hooked because of DS. I expect Killers to go for someone else for the exact reason the OP posted about...I care about other people's enjoyment of the game and play that way...so naturally my expectation is that they do the same for me. Which is entirely reasonable. This is a game. It's meant to be fun.
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I would play this version of DBD 2.0
