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SWF? Maybe. Solo? Goodluck lol
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@ad19970 said:
Couldn't agree more. They need to revert the changes to PR and DMS asap in my opinion.
This really is one of the biggest problems with DBD right now though. Gens increased to 90 seconds was done so killers would be less dependent on slowdown perks, taking some of the power of slowdown perks and adding it to the game's basekit. But sadly they only did this with the meta slowdown perks. And now we are stuck with other slowdown perks that are also just too much with the increased gen times, especially Eruption and Pentimento, and maybe Gift of Pain a bit as well. Thana at least got nerfed now.
And now they readded the PR and DMS combo, which was probably the most powerful slowdown combo that existed before the patch. It's quite mind boggling. I hope they realise this fast enough and remove that combo again.
Well said! The biggest issues for me are killers stacking slowdown perks and tunneling/camping. The game desperately needs buffs for Solo Q as well.
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Yep. I'm just not enjoying the game anymore. I might eventually come back if they fix survivor (mostly solo).
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@TAG said:
I don't think I need a whole post warning me not to directly insult a dev's physical appearance on the stream.
Did you read what he wrote? He didn't insult a dev...
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It's a good change. It's still decent on Plague and Legion, just not as annoying.
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I’m just glad they are listening to us. Hopefully they have other good changes being worked on, I’m happy.
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@Sludge said:
RIP Thana Legion
It’s still gonna be a fine perk on Legion, just isn’t going to be busted anymore.
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Thank you!!! At least they are listening. I'm hoping more changes are on the way.
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@Gamedozer7 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3106265#Comment_3106265
I've seen survivors dc or kill themselves on hook first down after something they did wrong or even with 2 gens left and it was there first down and the killer wasn't camping or anything I've also seen it as the killer.
There's no reason for a survivor to DC or kil themselves there first down or the first down.
Some people will rage quit. This happened before the patch. It's not to mess with kill rates and hoping they revert the changes.
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@Gamedozer7 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3105984#Comment_3105984
I don't think there some mass coordinated blackmail but so survivors started killing themselves to inflate the kill rates and some more people heard and started and so on tell you have a decent group doing it.
This is just silly. Maybe, just maybe survivors are leaving games because survivor is terrible at the moment? It's not to change the kill rates. People are just tired of dealing with all the nonsense in the game since the patch released.
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@HungrySnek said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3104236#Comment_3104236
Congratulations you can read the word dead hard and ignore the other words in my Post.
I don't blame them. It's just silly at this point. I haven't seen many people complain about DH (and I visit a lot of places), yet that's all killers want to bring up when survivors mention they dislike the patch. It's weird. lol
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@PapiFelixPSN said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3099176#Comment_3099176
Boring, but balanced. Sorry that you don't get easy escapes like before.
My solo games (that's all I play) wasn't always easy, lol. Solo was bad before but now it's hell. We need some survivor buffs.
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@ad19970 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3099176#Comment_3099176
Why on earth would they revert the gens back to 80 seconds? That would be the dumbest thing the devs could ever do. Especially if they then also looked at camping and tunneling? Then we are just back at 80 second gens, but with the strongest slowdown perks being nerfed. They couldn't then nerf camping and tunneling, or queue times would probably just switch.
Increasing gen times to 90 seconds was one of the best changes of the last patch. It gives killers a bit more time at base to deal with their objective, which is exactly what killers needed. It makes them less dependent on slowdown perks, and also encourages them to play more fairly and skillful, because they have more time now to go for chases, and apply map pressure.
The problem is that certain slowdown perks are just too strong at the moment, now that gens take 90 seconds. Especially Thana and Pentimento. You even mention it yourself. Those perks need to be nerfed, not gen times reverted to 80 seconds. Reverting gens back to 80 seconds would just make killers more dependent on slowdown perks again, and then that's all you are going to see. And killers will be less encouraged to play normally and fair.
I swear, if the devs actually, unironically nerf gen times back to 80 seconds, instead of just nerfing problematic slowdown perks, and then taking the opportunity, now that killers are buffed, to nerf camping and tunneling properly, I am going to lose my mind.
I'd actually be happy if they nerfed some of the gen slowdown perks and fixed tunneling/camping. Right now, the game is miserable when killers stack slowdown perks and just tunnel and camp everyone.
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@Beatricks said:
"We have noticed that SoloQ and SWF have a roughly 15% difference between escape rate, so in the future, we will try and bring those ratios closer together"
Proceeds to nerf SoloQ.
"We have noticed that people bring perks to avoid unfun gameplay"
Proceed to nerf said perks, buff said gameplay and give "counters" that are worthless.
Pretty. Good. Job.
I don't get it either... lol
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@Bubble0seven said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3105231#Comment_3105231
So when has it been the responsibility of other players to ensure YOUR fun??? Not trying to be nasty but i see this from survivors all the time dictating how people should play the game to ensure their fun only....I paid for the game i play it however way i see fit if you dislike it you can die on hook, DC or go play Lets Build A Zoo or something where the fun can be dictated by how you play the game....
I do not camp nor do i tunnel on 5 gens but i will camp if the exit gate is opened just to see who i can bait in for the save hoping that alturism will help
Camping when gens are done is fine... I do it sometimes. Camping/tunneling someone out quickly (even at 5 gens) makes for a miserable game. I blame the devs mostly for allowing this crap to happen, not to mention they made it even easier after the update. Even nerfed DS.
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@Reinami said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3105147#Comment_3105147
How many times do you see a god nurse? not very often. we can't balance the game around them.
I rarely complain about Nurse. Your point?
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@xTalon32 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3105086#Comment_3105086
So, regardless of whether it's a good strategy for killers it needs to be changed because it's "not fun" for survivors?
I understand the frustration of things like that happening to you, it's happened to me many times. Again though, both camping and tunneling can be relatively easy to counter. It just requires the survivors to be smarter and stealthier.
Just because something is a good strategy doesn't mean it should stay. Have you seen all of the complaining on the forums about camping/tunneling? It's miserable to play survivor right now. You don't see any issues with this?
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@Beatricks said:
Up until this patch I tried really hard to see things that way. But I just can't anymore. Killers are so insanely unreasonable that I can't put up with it anymore.
SoloQ needs a little loving, because it's miserable.
~No, every survivor is a toxic 4man SWF with 4 toolboxes who BM at every opportunity and now cry because we don't have dead hard.
Maybe at least Nurse's addons can be looked at?
~Nope, we are whiny survivor mains who are salty that without DH we can't bully killers.
Literally nothing gets through to their heads. Literally zero empathy. I'm done being nice.
Well said. I agree.
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@Reinami said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3105079#Comment_3105079
Right, but the reality is a god SWF group is still gonna get 5 gens done in 4 minutes and be teabagging at the exit gates in no time. The point is and always has been that they need to fix solo queue to deal with the gap between solo and SWF and buff killers to make SWF more bearable for a killer to play against.
How many times do you guys see god swf groups? Not very often. We can't balance the game around them.
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@xTalon32 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3099176#Comment_3099176
Why does tunneling and camping need to be looked at? Tunneling is a fantastic strategy to not only make survivors panic, but also lower their numbers so gens don't get done as fast. However, most survivors don't want to get better at the counter to tunneling - stealth.
Camping is only useful if you can guarantee that people will go for the save. A lot of survivors want camping "fixed" because they don't think they should be punished for unsafe rescue's or that the hooked person somehow deserves to be unhooked for a second chance.
I'm not saying that either is pleasant for the survivor who has this done to them, but if you want an easy ride with no challenges maybe play "Let's Build a Zoo" instead (fun game btw).
Because this is a VERY common thing for killers to do and it makes the game miserable to play. Things like that need addressed.
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@Reinami said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3099176#Comment_3099176
Most of the good gen slowdown perks were nerfed, and the other ones are still less than optimal. Against a good SWF team, gens still fly. The only thing they really need to do now is buff solo queue survivors SPECIFICALLY SOLO QUEUE in a way that does not buff SWF.
I've said many times that this update hurt solo players the most.
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@DyingWish92 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3099176#Comment_3099176
It's 10 extra seconds. STOP.
10 extra seconds for each gen and that's without all the slowdown perks killers love to use. It's a buff to camping/tunneling as well. NO, I won't stop until SoloQ players get the buffs they desperately need. Next
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I've said this countless times already, but I don't understand why they thought these changes were ok. Did they really think killers were gonna play nice by giving them a ton of buffs and making gens take longer to complete?
It seriously baffles me. They even put solo changes on the backburner (unless this has changed). DS was nerfed as well. Make it make sense.
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A LOT of people feel this way. The game sucks right now.
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@StarMoral said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3101241#Comment_3101241
It's only been one patch and you're saying the game sucks "NOW".
Yeah, it does. So what? He said I should play killer (I did before I quit) and that I should get good. I wasn't having fun as either role...it is too easy for killer and miserable as survivor (mostly solo). I'm not a god survivor player, but I'm pretty good a lot of the time. The biggest problem on the survivor side is tunneling/camping and gens taking forever to do. It's boring
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@StarMoral said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3101178#Comment_3101178
You just proved his point, you numpty.
What point would that be?
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@enormous_bruh_moment said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3099778#Comment_3099778
We get one killer-sided patch after dozens of survivor-sided ones in a row, and malding is endless holy #########.
The complaining you see about this patch is entirely from the contingency of predominantly below to slightly-above average Survivor players who play killer at a mediocre level if at all. Go play killer. Actually get good. It is not possibly for a sane individual to play against rank 1 SWFs —which is all you get in the red ranks— as any random killer and honestly think that the game is imbalanced in favor of killer.
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3099775#Comment_3099775
Project harder. This is a fairer game.
Survivors (not all™) are just bitching because they've grown entitled to results they didn't deserve, and never expected the blade of balance to ever cut the other direction. They even nerfed all of the strongest killer perks and you people still complain.
God forbid you aren't able to just hold W anymore. God forbid you can't rely on your "oops" button to reset or undo any mistake. One of your sources of infinite self-healing isn't quite as strong as the others?? No....say it ain't true doc.... ######### hell dude, you might actually need to play the damn game now. lol
Sucks to suck. Get over it.
Go play killer? I played both sides. It isn't fun for me anymore. The game sucks now.
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@Akumakaji said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3101116#Comment_3101116
Balancing a severely unbalanced map isn't "nerfing" the other side, though.
Look at my last reply:)
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@MommyHunktress said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3101124#Comment_3101124
but this is specifically the game tho, not the other maps
Oh, I missed that, lol. It's late here and I'm tired. I actually agree with this.
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@MommyHunktress said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3101116#Comment_3101116
lets be real man... the game as it is now is just drop pallets and if your team is on gens you win. I agree surv sucks right now but the game is legit way too pallet dense and cluster fu**ed
I would agree if survivors get some buffs (especially soloQ). The game would suck even more than it already does if they removed a bunch of pallets.
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Yep, I think we should nerf survivors even more. Great idea 👍
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@VikingDragonXii said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3099778#Comment_3099778
But survivors weren't getting thiers held for so long? I have seen survivors say I'm changing to Killer or I'm quitting til the game is more balanced etc.....but when Killers were having same issues patch after patch after patch and finally said enough and did the same thing survivors were like get gud...or bye Felicia not caring and then Survivor Que times went up and no one understood why.
Well now the shoes on the other foot but it's now combined with Survivors sabotaging games by DCing, Suiciding on hook, not doing Gens at all, or even running to the Killer and sitting there just to get downed.
If survivors would just play the game and not go "Oh no it's Thanta I'm giving up" then things might go differently.
I've said before that I'm fine with killers getting buffed, but I think they've obviously over buffed killers. I play both sides.
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@ScottJund said:
That's it. That seals the deal. I am no longer a Dead by Daylight fan. I’ve been a fan since 1982 and a season ticket holder since 1996. I officially will not be renewing my plan next season nor will I play on PC ever again. Cote is officially the worst game director in history.
Agreed. The game sucks now.
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@Sonzaishinai said:
I have banned thana from my Legion builds so there are some of us who are cool
Thank you! Thana on Legion is torture.
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@Marigoria said:
Imagine wanting to physically assault someone because of an opinion on a video game. Calm down.
If you're still getting destroyed multiple matches in a row by solo q players maybe try to get good at the game.
This! Sorry, but I think you just need to get better. You shouldn't be getting destroyed that much by solo players. lol
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@ACleverName4Me said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3099778#Comment_3099778
Um...and how long were the devs holding survivors? This is the first killer sided patch in MONTHS. I agree that I would like the game to be fair but it will never be fair because its 1 v 4.
I agree that killers needed some buffs, but I think most of us know they overbuffed killers.
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Killers have their hands held at the moment by the devs. I'm hoping we have a fairer game in the future.
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@StarLost said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3099185#Comment_3099185
Or they could just remove killers entirely and have you play against bots?
How about we stop strawmanning?
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3099176#Comment_3099176
Let's be honest here, Knight. This isn't true. You wouldn't be happy, because you were complaining before the patch - I could swear you said you quit.
The gen nerfs were to balance out the regression nerfs.
If you put gens back to 80, you have to buff those perks again.
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3099222#Comment_3099222
Yes, both sides have stuff that is annoying to face.
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3099240#Comment_3099240
Either you don't know how a bell curve works, or you're exaggerating.
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3099213#Comment_3099213
I agree that pipping and getting BP should be easier as survivor.
@ThatOneDemoPlayer said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3099240#Comment_3099240
That's also only 1% of the playerbase, called "The Bad Players"
I mostly complained about tunneling/camping (which got worse) and Blight with certain perks and addons. Yeah, I'd be happy with the changes I mentioned. I didn't know I couldn't visit the forums and complain if I no longer play. I'll keep coming back to complain until they make survivor fun to play.
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@Beatricks said:
I mean they wanted to shake up the meta and increase the kills on average. You could just introduce a new killer perk that deactivates all your other perk but puts all the survivors into the dying state at the beginning of the trial. EVERYONE would be running that and most games would be even more of a 4k than they already are. Just because you achieve your stated goal, doesn't mean you made the game fun or balanced.
In regards to SoloQ, the devs overnerfed survivors, especially their ability to combat tunneling and camping. These need HUGE buffs without making basic M1 killers useless again.
Also, map balancing, MMR, killer ability/addon strengths are still huge parts of the balancing of this game and these were completely neglected.
This patch honestly should have come in piece meal and they should have monitored the stats to stop when the killrates reach the point where they are satisfied. But no, lets just completely change everything and then untangle this mess in the next five years! Pretty good job so far.
Exactly. I've said this before the patch even released. They changed too many things at one time and the game is a mess.
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Idk. I'm not having fun even if I'm escaping, especially if the killer throws on a bunch of gen slowdown perks. Gens need to go back to 80 seconds, tunneling/camping needs to be looked at and maybe a few changes to some of the recently changed perks on both sides (DS, SC, Overcharge, etc). I'll be happy if they at least do those things. Longer gen times are killing it for me... it's just sooo boring.
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@woundcowboy said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3098935#Comment_3098935
I thought you quit.
I still visit the forums to complain. I want to be able to play and enjoy the game again.
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@Erukani said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3098761#Comment_3098761
Replace the word 'players' with 'killer mains', and you're spot-on. ;)
This. Most people that think the game is balanced right now and that the patch was a success has to be someone that plays a lot of killer (or SWF).
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@ElleGreen said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3098887#Comment_3098887
Never used dead hard the thana and dying light thing are my issues gens take to long and the tunneling has gotten worse since ds nerf also making survivors slower was so so dumb
You are not enjoying the game after the patch because you must've crutched on DH!! Everyone knows this is the only reason people could possibly be upset. :)
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@StarLost said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3096353#Comment_3096353
Am I lying? I certainly hope you can substantiate that - because that's not what I'm seeing at all.
Most of the suggestions I've seen are a system to encourage good sportsmanship, not punish BM.
Also - saying 'killers are playing the victim' in this thread is honestly sort of amazing.
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3096359#Comment_3096359
Bingo.
Which is why, as I keep saying - people need to settle the hell down, stop pouting, stop throwing games in some sort of weird protest and give the devs a chance to separate the signal from the noise here, and see where the numbers lie. We can then start adjusting things again.
I know I've been playing as much survivor as I always have (more with the queue times, honestly) and I'm actually having as much success, if not more. The baseline BT helps quite a lot.
I'm seeing mostly camping/tunneling posts, stacked slowdown posts, gen times and DS. Again, I'm sure a few people hate the DH nerf, that's not most of the complaints that I'm seeing here or other places tho.
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@StarLost said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3096000#Comment_3096000
Because it's being a bad winner. It's the gaming equivalent to refusing to shake someone's hand after the match. And...it's interesting how you say 'killer mains', considering I see survivors complaining constantly about stuff like hitting on hook and nodding.
And you literally said: 'Every time someone complains about it on the forums I do it even more'. So either you were telling pork pies there (ironically, to annoy someone), or you're telling pork pies now. I suspect the latter.
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3096112#Comment_3096112
Sure. Let's accept your premise here (it's wrong, but whatever).
You don't want to go to a restaurant - you stop going. That's fine, and you're well within your rights.
What you don't get to do is stand in the restaurant yelling at other people and smacking their food out of their hands.
And Sluzzy, you complained that survivors couldn't win and how horribly killer sided this game was before the changes (which BHVR specified are due to their own, internal numbers regarding kill rates being substantially out of whack with what they want) - meaning that either you think the devs are lying to you, have it out for your role or have a vision of the game incompatible with what you want.
By your analogy, why are you still ordering food here?
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3096100#Comment_3096100
Just do a search for 'dead hard nerf', or check the feedback forums.
The thing is - Dead Hard is probably responsible for a lot of the complaints, at least tangentially. Some people said that they wouldn't play survivor if DH got nerfed. Others, especially at higher MMR (where it saw something like 75-80% use rate!) are likely now going to drop down slightly in MMR, and that will take time.
What I'm seeing is people being upset with gen times, DS, SC and tunneling/camping. Are some people upset that DH got nerfed? Absolutely! Do I think most people are upset with the patch because of DH nerf? Not at all.
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@StarLost said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3093685#Comment_3093685
Is toxic to killers, and gloats about it.
Wonders why killers weren't having fun.
Complains that killers got buffed.
Never change, internet. Never change.
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3093722#Comment_3093722
I've played games since...basically gaming was a thing.
Sportsmanship makes your game into a phenomenon. A crappy community makes your game niche.
Look at how the Tribunal turned League of Legends from a meme into among the most successful PvP games of all time.
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3093708#Comment_3093708
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsFy0IYutw8&ab_channel=epicfaul
If I were BHVR, I'd consider the amount of pout going on right now to be a massive incentive not to change anything, because this is behavior (lol) that should not be encouraged.
This isn't feedback. This is sulking.
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3093691#Comment_3093691
There's plenty of complaining about Dead Hard.
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3093551#Comment_3093551
It should help. I know that I'll generally play whichever role the incentive is going towards, unless I'm already Iri 1 on that role.
I haven't seen that much. Killers just want to blame survivors for being upset about the patch because of DH, but I'm sure we both know that isn't why most people are upset. We shouldn't defend comments like those.
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Is this bait? I'm seriously asking.
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So many killers are scared that their over buffed killers are gonna get nerfed, lol. I'd say a few nerfs are being worked on and they can't come soon enough.
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@dspaceman20 said:
I have changed my position a bit. It's absolutely ridiculous. Im annoyed how Killers are just stacking slowdown perks and camp and tunnel still. Why???
And survivors barely get any compensation for it.
Something needs to change
Yep! The game stinks as survivor. I still can't believe the devs thought some of these changes were ok...
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@Marik1987 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3093642#Comment_3093642
Cant Press E to bully the killer anymore, aye?
This comment is ridiculous. I can promise you that most people aren't upset with the changes because of the DH nerf, lol. I hate the game as survivor now and I never used the perk. My favorite exhaustion perks are lithe and overcome :)