245_Trioxin — Comments · Dead by Daylight forum archive

Okay, so I get that teabagging and flashlight clicking can be seen as toxic, but I'm really confused on how 360s are. Most players are pretty bad at them, and you can usually catch them out on the 2nd try, if they actually pull it off the first time. I know some players can go a bit overboard with them, but it is a legitimate way to attempt to dodge a killer's attack when there are no structures around.

More so, I'm incredibly confused by "messing with the killers aim". What do you mean by this?

in Camping Comment by 245_Trioxin August 27, 2018

@Tsulan said:

@245_Trioxin said:

@Tsulan said:
Do what you want. But don't expect survivors to give you a free sacrifice if you can't kill anyone during the match.
And don't expect gratitude from them. They might even insult you for giving the hatch.

Don't expect it, but understand that there are survivors out there that will take a hook for a killer who had a bad match. I have no problem in doing that, and I also give the hatch when I play as a killer. In either situation, I'm walking away with more than enough points, more than likely.

It's really easy to forget that there is a person on the other end of that connection, and this game can get really frustrating sometimes. You don't need that 4k, nor do you need to survive every match. Just go in, get your BPs and pips, and have a good time.

I´ve been insulted by survivors, because i gave a hatch to someone else.
Or because they thought that me passing 2 hooks and going straight for the hatch was a dumb mistake instead of intentional.

Trust me, I'm not trying to take away from anything you've experienced. I wasn't replying to you, more of adding to what you said. I should have made that clear.

These forums are probably one of the more truly "toxic" aspects of the community. Every post is just two hugboxes warring it out over who is in the right, and it seeps into the mindset of more and more people as they join. It's like a microcosm for identity politics. People just need to keep in mind that it's not every survivor, not every killer, and not every match.

in Is it okay to give the last survivor the hatch??? Comment by 245_Trioxin August 27, 2018

@Tsulan said:
Do what you want. But don't expect survivors to give you a free sacrifice if you can't kill anyone during the match.
And don't expect gratitude from them. They might even insult you for giving the hatch.

Don't expect it, but understand that there are survivors out there that will take a hook for a killer who had a bad match. I have no problem in doing that, and I also give the hatch when I play as a killer. In either situation, I'm walking away with more than enough points, more than likely.

It's really easy to forget that there is a person on the other end of that connection, and this game can get really frustrating sometimes. You don't need that 4k, nor do you need to survive every match. Just go in, get your BPs and pips, and have a good time.

in Is it okay to give the last survivor the hatch??? Comment by 245_Trioxin August 27, 2018

Redcum said:

@245_Trioxin said:
I would be incredibly happy if they never released another licensed killer. They're unnecessary and take money away from the devs that could be put towards making the game better (e.g. dedicated servers).

Well , that depends on the license. For instance , the devs got the Leatherface license for free.

Ummm...pretty sure that's not true. You would have to show some type of proof to back that statement up.

in What licensed killer would u like to see in Dead By Daylight? Comment by 245_Trioxin August 26, 2018

PigNRun said:

One problem will be Leatherface and Bill, who dont have their respective nemesis. You could pair them together, but Left for Dead and Texas Chainsaw Massacre have nothing to do with each other. Maybe they are best left outside the system.

Bill is a PC exclusive, making it impossible to do. They would have to be omitted from it.

All in all, though, I think it's a really cool idea. It could make matches more interesting. My main concern regarding it is the possible increase in lobby dodges or disconnects, which is bound to happen.

in Nemesis System - Killer/Survivor Relationships Comment by 245_Trioxin August 25, 2018

@Incarnate said:

@245_Trioxin said:

@Incarnate said:

Not targeted and persistent? When it's being done by survivors against the killer, then there is a target, and if they keep on doing it, then it becomes persistent. I'm not watering the definitions down, they are what they are. In general there are a lot of actions that are or can be considered cyberbullying and / or trolling, these actions can be of varying degrees - the word doesn't lose power just because that is added. By your logic, that would be same as saying the word "criminal" loses all meaning when it's said that there are various types and severity of crimes. Nothing is taken away from any victims, there are many different types and severities of cyberbullying, the victims of any cyberbullying action isn't any less a victim. What I am saying though that is that teabagging can be consider one of the cyberbullying actions that can be done towards others, where the severity (with limits) depends on how the victim perceives and interprets the action.

How does that make me sensitive just because I acknowledge the fact that it is such, I haven't said anything in regards to how I react if people subject me to that, because it doesn't get to me, but I know it gets to others.
..and it seems you don't really acknowledge that.

DbD not being competitive, well I disagree, it may not be par with certain other games, but it certainly is a competitive game, it's 4v1 game where you're competing to beat the other player(s) - it's competitive! Granted it's not an e-sport game (yet) - and you can't say those rules don't apply here, because who makes you the judge of that?

Does the survivor know the name of the killer before or during the match? No, they don't. So it is not targeted and persistent. The survivor is not teabagging you, they are teabagging the killer, which is just an avatar. They are not lobby hopping in order to find you and teabag you. They are not finding you on Facebook and sending gifs of them teabagging. They are getting a rise out of the nameless person controlling the killer. It is not targeted, not persistent, and not harassment.

This is what I mean by you being overly sensitive. You are assuming a personal attack when the person on the other end is not teabagging you. They are teabagging an avatar, whether that is a Nurse, Hillbilly, etc. They don't even know your name until the post-match screen. In addition, your statement about it being derogatory and "beyond human decency" shows exactly the level of sensitivity I'm talking about. Claiming it is "beyond human decency" is taking on a stance of authoritarian moralism and equating it to terrorism, #########, or murder.

I never said it doesn't get to people. Hell, it's gotten a rise out of me before. I'm not making that argument. I stated that it is obnoxious and immature.

See, here's the problem with this debate. I am not defending it on any level. I don't do it, and if you do it to me, you're getting hooked. What I am doing is making the argument that it is not trolling, per the definition, and it is not cyberbullying because (though it's really annoying) it is not targeted, persistent, and overtly malicious.

Regarding DbD not being competitive, it cannot be. There is way too much RNG that happens in the game for it to be competitive on any level. The generation of the map alone is enough to create an imbalance that will keep it firmly out of any e-sport. Never mind the other randomness of the game, as a whole.

They don't need to know the name of the killer before or during the match to target you, it doesn't have to be targeting you through your real or online identity, for it to be considered targeted - they're targeting the one in control of "the avatar", which is sufficient to consider it as targeted. And if they keep on doing it, then it's persistent, doesn't have to carry on to another match. They may not have have the name on the individual they're targeting and harassing, but it doesn't change their behaviour, and their intention behind the behaviour certainly also counts in regards to determining if it's trolling and/or cyberbullying to some extent.

I'm not assuming it's a personal attack, but it's not the killer they're trying to harass, it's the player behind it, and by extension, that means an attack on the player and NOT the avatar. So not it's not me who am being overly sensitive, I just acknowledge it for what it is, and that other folks have a problem with it, and the fact it's player they're trying to target, even when they're limited by the game's design to do this fully. Teabagging is beyond human decency if you go by what teabaggin is defined as when it's non-consensual, when carried out non-consensually in real life it actually, in some jurisdictions, is legally considered sexual assault or sexual battery.

So you're saying it's not trolling by definition, well that certainly depends where you read the definition and how you interpret it... A troll is a person who upsets people on the Internet, who distract and sows discord with the intent of provoking it's targets into displaying emotional responses. I would definitely say that those who're trying target the player through teabagging behaviour certainly has the intent to upset, provoke and sow discord in an attempt to trigger an emotional reaction. On the note of cyberbullying, "Cyberbullying or cyberharassment is a form of bullying or harassment using electronic means." Harassment, "Harassment covers a wide range of behaviors of an offensive nature. It is commonly understood as behavior that disturbs or upsets, and it is characteristically repetitive." - it is to an extent cyberbullying due to it being a form of harassment, as it can be persistent, which it usually is. Furthermore, trolling is more vaguely defined than actually is, and encompasses a lot more than how it is defined - its very abstract, trolling can be an act of harassment.

DbD is competitive, granted it's not an e-sport, but the doesn't mean it's any less competitive. It's very nature is competitive, the versus part also implies competition, the player rank system also encourages competitiveness. It's a competitive game, despite it's RNG elements and imbalances. Just because it's not an e-sport game doesn't mean it's not a competitive game.

GameSpot even said "Dead by Daylight executes the concept of a competitive horror game.

It is not the same person or group of people doing it every match. Again, you are stretching definitions to fit your perception, and doing damage to actual harassment victims. Harassment has to be persistent, by a specific person or group, against a specific target. Teabagging in a match does not qualify as harassment under any law.

Did you seriously just equate crouching repeatedly in a video game to sexual assault? You just keep proving my point over and over again. It's going too far with sensitivity. You may not be sensitive to it when it happens to you, but you are overly sensitive towards the concept as a whole. You're coming at this through a lens of morality. Morals are personal beliefs on right and wrong, and should not be pressed on anyone else.

You can literally make anything competitive going by that definition. Super Mario Bros. can be competitive because there's a two-player mode and a scoring system. What I am saying, is that in order for it to be considered a competitive game in the sense of an e-sport, it would need far more consistency and less randomness. Which is why I said it is more casual, as it cannot hit a level of consistency that would be required to ensure that matches were based purely on skill, and that there are no other factors.

Going back to map generation, generator placement alone could favor the survivors or killer in any given match. Just recently (within the past couple of weeks), Tru3 posted a YouTube video where he wound up with five generators located directly around the killer shack, which just happened to be where the basement is located. He talked about the placement through the majority of the video, and discussed the fact that the survivors could do nothing, because of simple randomness. He was able to camp the basement and monitor all of the gens simultaneously. At that point, the match stops being about skill. This game is far more casual than you're making it out to be. Those survivors did not stand a chance, no matter how high their skill level. This also happens to killers, where spawn and totem placement will screw them over before the match even starts.

in Is tbagging necessary? I think not. Be nice to your killers please. Comment by 245_Trioxin August 24, 2018

@Incarnate said:

Not targeted and persistent? When it's being done by survivors against the killer, then there is a target, and if they keep on doing it, then it becomes persistent. I'm not watering the definitions down, they are what they are. In general there are a lot of actions that are or can be considered cyberbullying and / or trolling, these actions can be of varying degrees - the word doesn't lose power just because that is added. By your logic, that would be same as saying the word "criminal" loses all meaning when it's said that there are various types and severity of crimes. Nothing is taken away from any victims, there are many different types and severities of cyberbullying, the victims of any cyberbullying action isn't any less a victim. What I am saying though that is that teabagging can be consider one of the cyberbullying actions that can be done towards others, where the severity (with limits) depends on how the victim perceives and interprets the action.

How does that make me sensitive just because I acknowledge the fact that it is such, I haven't said anything in regards to how I react if people subject me to that, because it doesn't get to me, but I know it gets to others.
..and it seems you don't really acknowledge that.

DbD not being competitive, well I disagree, it may not be par with certain other games, but it certainly is a competitive game, it's 4v1 game where you're competing to beat the other player(s) - it's competitive! Granted it's not an e-sport game (yet) - and you can't say those rules don't apply here, because who makes you the judge of that?

Does the survivor know the name of the killer before or during the match? No, they don't. So it is not targeted and persistent. The survivor is not teabagging you, they are teabagging the killer, which is just an avatar. They are not lobby hopping in order to find you and teabag you. They are not finding you on Facebook and sending gifs of them teabagging. They are getting a rise out of the nameless person controlling the killer. It is not targeted, not persistent, and not harassment.

This is what I mean by you being overly sensitive. You are assuming a personal attack when the person on the other end is not teabagging you. They are teabagging an avatar, whether that is a Nurse, Hillbilly, etc. They don't even know your name until the post-match screen. In addition, your statement about it being derogatory and "beyond human decency" shows exactly the level of sensitivity I'm talking about. Claiming it is "beyond human decency" is taking on a stance of authoritarian moralism and equating it to terrorism, #########, or murder.

I never said it doesn't get to people. Hell, it's gotten a rise out of me before. I'm not making that argument. I stated that it is obnoxious and immature.

See, here's the problem with this debate. I am not defending it on any level. I don't do it, and if you do it to me, you're getting hooked. What I am doing is making the argument that it is not trolling, per the definition, and it is not cyberbullying because (though it's really annoying) it is not targeted, persistent, and overtly malicious.

Regarding DbD not being competitive, it cannot be. There is way too much RNG that happens in the game for it to be competitive on any level. The generation of the map alone is enough to create an imbalance that will keep it firmly out of any e-sport. Never mind the other randomness of the game, as a whole.

in Is tbagging necessary? I think not. Be nice to your killers please. Comment by 245_Trioxin August 24, 2018

@Incarnate said:
Teabagging in gaming can be considered an attempt to humiliate, harass, provoke or bully another person, hence trolling and cyberbullying. Furthermore, the action is demeaning, derogatory and beyond human decency as it's based on the sexual act to teabag. There is a reason why it has led to high ranking players in other games to be temporarily banned for the action. Other game developers perceive it as an act of trolling, when for instance you have achievements with the naming Trolling and the act that nets you the achievement is teabagging someone. Furthermore, there are many different actions of varying degree that is considered cyberbullying.

It's not a targeted and persistent attack on a specific person, so it is not cyberbullying. Once again, please stop watering things down to suit your agenda/ideology. By adding "different actions of varying degrees" you make the word lose all power. It no longer has substance, and takes away from actual victims (because now anyone can claim they're a victim).

The only reason it could be considered trolling, again, is because of people like you who feel that they need to water down and change definitions. An insult is not trolling. Just because devs jokingly refer to it in an achievement does not make it a definition.

"Furthermore, the action is demeaning, derogatory and beyond human decency as it's based on the sexual act to teabag."

This statement is laughable. Do you see how overly sensitive you are being? It's just done to make you angry, that's all. And apparently it works like a charm.

"There is a reason why it has led to high ranking players in other games to be temporarily banned for the action."

In e-sports, yes, but not because it is cyberbullying. It would be considered unsportsmanlike conduct, just like in any other sport. But, seeing as this is not a competitive, e-sport, style game, and is way more casual, those rules don't apply here.

in Is tbagging necessary? I think not. Be nice to your killers please. Comment by 245_Trioxin August 24, 2018

@Incarnate said:
But actually condoning trolling behaviour and cyberbullying? Well, it certainly gives their company name a different meaning! They shouldn't tolerate this kind of behaviour, as it's downright toxic to the gameplay, playerbase and community.

Teabagging is neither trolling or cyberbullying.

Is it obnoxious and immature? Yep, but it's neither of the two things you stated.

I usually wouldn't use Urban Dictionary as a reference, but the top definitions here are 100% correct:

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Trolling

And calling teabagging cyberbullying minimizes what actual cyberbullying is. When you water down definitions of words, they lose actual meaning and impact. Teabagging is not "an aggressive, intentional act or behavior that is carried out by a group or an individual, using electronic forms of contact, repeatedly and over time against a victim who cannot easily defend him or herself."

This watering down of definitions of words is exactly why identity politics have become so ridiculous in the west. Everything is racist, everything is sexist, everything is cyberbullying, etc.

It's just someone getting under your skin mid-match, more than likely to try and get you to do something rash that they can capitalize on. Keep your cool and you'll put them on the hook.

in Is tbagging necessary? I think not. Be nice to your killers please. Comment by 245_Trioxin August 24, 2018

@airman421 said:
She is a base character everyone has her and placing 10 traps is to much in my opinion. I've never used her just from being killed every single game I have played against her. It is great to know some ways to battle back against her hexs. Still think she is OP. No other character has that power level except maybe the wraith and his still isn't as powerful.

The Hag is not a base character. You are playing on console, where some of the older DLCs were bundled into the main game. On PC, she comes in the "Of Flesh and Mud" DLC.

Anytime you come across a killer who seems overpowered, play as them. It's the fastest way to learn how to counter them, and you'll usually find out pretty quickly that the killer really isn't as powerful as you made them out to be initially.

in The Hag Comment by 245_Trioxin August 17, 2018

@jwentzel987 said:
Ok, in no way shape or form do I condone or am I sticking up for victor salva but literally NO ONE knew about his sexual acts until the 3rd movie was in the works.

This is a completely false statement. It was reported and discussed multiple times throughout the past ~30 years. The horror community has brought it up every time he makes a Jeepers Creepers film, including the first one. His films are usually protested or boycotted on some level.

Broad statements like this don't help arguments.

@Kamikaze_Rose said:
Not trying to be mean, but you don't know how character licenses work, do you? Thomas Harris created Hannibal Lecter, but he doesn't own the rights to the character and therefore receives no money if they choose to make more films. He also has no say in what they do with the characters. That's how licensing works. Licenses mean the person who makes the decisions about the property. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Victor doesn't own anything.

Victor Salva is more than likely the sole owner and creator of the series. He's the only constant in the production of the films, and he shops the films out to production companies when he writes a new one. He has directed every film, and is the only screenwriting credit on each one.

in Jeepers Creepers killer confirmed? Comment by 245_Trioxin August 16, 2018

Eninya said:

Every single killer I've faced since the event started hard camps with Ultra Rare addons.

I'm switching over to Saboteur, cause if I can't get gens, they won't get hooks.

For me, it hasn't been every killer, but definitely the majority. Probably 70-80%. I'm not switching to Sabo, though. Hell, I never even bothered leveling Jake enough to unlock it. I quit using him once I unlocked Calm Spirit.

in All killers are campers at event. Comment by 245_Trioxin August 9, 2018

I would be incredibly happy if they never released another licensed killer. They're unnecessary and take money away from the devs that could be put towards making the game better (e.g. dedicated servers).

in What licensed killer would u like to see in Dead By Daylight? Comment by 245_Trioxin August 9, 2018

Hillbilly420 said:

@fcc2014 said:

@ZombieGenesis said:
I'm not a Marth fan but he makes good points. I love watching all the survivor mains going "Who cares?" You should because with all the options starting to pop up for this style of game DbD will have actual competition(hopefully) and that is the one thing it won't be able to recover from.

I don't care about what ANY streamer has to say. I hope DBD gets real competition. If i find i like the competition product better and it actual works i will jump ship to and with no fanfare.

Hide or Die is coming this October. There's also Last Year: the Nightmare but no one knows what's happening with that one.

Hide or Die got pushed back a bit. The beta will start around October now. There's no date for the actual release yet. Rewriting the code to switch the game from P2P to dedicated servers caused some delays.

in Marth88 leaves DbD due to game unbalance. Comment by 245_Trioxin August 9, 2018

@NeoVid said:

The trap placement is for teleport mindgames, not camera flip mindgames. I highly doubt anyone thinks "oh if I place this trap here, the survivor's camera will turn in this way when theyre walking in this direction and they'll have a 10% chance of getting confused!" more than just threatening a teleport slap to shut down a loop.

The guide that made me decide to try out the Hag specifically pointed out the power of forcibly turning the survivor to face the trap when it's triggered. Intentionally making use of it is something I never would have thought of on my own, since I'm not a great player.

And if somehow you are calculating an entirely luckbased mechanic, congratulations, you must have 900IQ. I have to see the streams of these sick camera flip Hags.

Here's the guide I referred to (the camera technique comes up at 15:50), check out his channel!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OiP2gVja_s&t=1s

This video is exactly what got me into playing the Hag. I don't know how many times I've watched it and picked up something new.

in Is it just me or is Hag kind of broken OP? Comment by 245_Trioxin August 8, 2018

I had the same thing happen last night. I had no idea what was going on. Had a terrible match where I my screen was constantly stuttering, was teleporting out of buildings, couldn't do skill checks because the check would freeze intermittently, etc. After the match, my menus were skipping as well. Restarted the app and everything was fine.

I was definitely fiddling around in the shop prior to that match. Thanks for the info!

in psa for ps4 users Comment by 245_Trioxin August 1, 2018

It's absolutely not going to happen any time soon. With the court case still active, nothing can be created with the license. The F13 game can't even have new content added.

That said, I agree completely with Shadoureon. Licensed killers are a waste of time and money. I'd much rather see more original content.

in Why Jason Voohees won't be coming to DBD. Comment by 245_Trioxin July 31, 2018

Regarding your issue with colors, if you play on PC and use an Nvidia card, maybe this would help:

https://www.reddit.com/r/deadbydaylight/comments/7pekx9/psa_dead_by_daylight_is_getting_colorblind_mode/

in New killer looking for tips Comment by 245_Trioxin July 31, 2018

@awsome_predator said:
Before they said delay due to blah blah they said when new dlc comes out it will be same time. Just like pig launch they got that wrong too they should learn from there past mistakes as although I don't know the process of there work much like they wouldn't know mine I understand the need to plan ahead and if there possibilities of delays u start early with ur ptb so that all issues are resolved n ready for same day release get the certs in order in good time before u announce this is our release date then u don't have problem with people complaining, Christmas is here in 6 months time I think I will wait to Xmas eve 10mins before shops close to buy my kids presents already got my wife's but I can just tell my kids hey kids ur mam got her present because she knew what to expect but u will have to wait a few days to get yours as the shops didn't stay open long enough and if u have a problem many ppl struggle just look at dbd devs they couldn't get it sorted but not there fault it the certs pff load of rubbish planning is key

I know they said that they would get DLC out at the same time, but in this particular case it's not just DLC. This is a really big version update that changed a number of things, added two more characters, another map, an entire in-game shop, etc. If I read correctly in another thread, the Xbox update was 12GB, which is the size of the entire game. I'm not saying that it's 12GB of new content, but that's still a really large update to push through the certification process. The purchasable DLC is just a small key file that unlocks The Clown and Kate.

Again, they planned for this, and warned the community. They blatantly said that it would take around 2-3 additional weeks for console to get the update, and planned the re-opening of the shrine and the double bloodpoint weekend around that time frame.

I get people feeling left out, but everything points to BHVR planning for this delay and making it pretty obvious to the community that there would be one from the start. This is why, personally, I found the knee-jerk reactions to the delay to be ridiculous. It's not actually late until after the end of next week. Anytime prior to that is well within the time frame that BHVR stated.

in Dear Fellow Console Users Comment by 245_Trioxin June 28, 2018

@TeambossFloze said:
Shipthebread said:

I believe that you no longer de-pip when the killer leaves the game. It's a bug that shows that you did but go back into the lobby and look you did not lose the pip.

Just to confirm you did lose a pip when killer disconnects and score screen appears. Plus annoys me that i lose my salty lips too

When you look at the score screen for your pip, the bar will not reach the safety pip, but if you look at the text above, it will have a value of 0 instead of -1. You don't actually lose your pip.

I agree it's annoying that offerings are lost. Unfortunately, those get burned at the offering screen before the match loads.

in Depip for Disconnect Comment by 245_Trioxin June 27, 2018

@marshmallowking said:
powerbats said:

@Tsulan said:
 @powerbats said:
To add to the bots issue make it so you'd have to have had an active account tied to an active game account. Now we don't know if the people that won play a lot or a little and having a post count would do nothing since we all saw the Korean scam spam posts.
Tied profiles is a problem, since console users can´t tie their profiles. Or can they?
I´m not sure about this one. If its possible, than that would be the best solution. Only real accounts.

That's a good question and hopefully a console user could shed some light on that. Perhaps @Jack11803 could let us know it is possible.

Bunge can tie console gt to their forums in destiny so I would think dbd devs would be able to also

Yeah, I have my PS4 account tied to plenty of other accounts (EA, Ubisoft, RockStar, ZOS, Bungie, etc). It's totally doable.

in Auric Cell giveaway Comment by 245_Trioxin June 27, 2018

@awsome_predator said:
The update is late they said would all come same time, then they change the goal posts. Look at there plan also we have tournaments on all platforms which face it joke!! But even so pc can have new killer for it but console users no, n I know people wouldn't have used anyway but still it's a joke

It's not late, though. This has already been discussed ad nauseam. BHVR did state that the console release would take approximately 2-3 additional weeks due to the size of the update and Microsoft's and Sony's certification process.

It's currently week 2 since the release of the update on PC (June 12). The update shouldn't technically be considered late until the end of next week. If it takes longer than that, then I agree that something should be done by BHVR to accommodate for time lost. But until it's actually late, based on the timeframe that was stated by BHVR, then we just just need to show some patience.

Why do you think the shrine is closed until the 29th, and the double bloodpoint weekend isn't until July 5th? These dates are based on the need for an extra 2-3 weeks due to the certification process.

Microsoft certified the update, Sony has not. So, wouldn't this now be the fault of Sony for PS4 users?

@awsome_predator said:
They shouldn't need to rush anything it's called good planning, lots of other companies manage huge expansions which all come out simultaneously and like the person said before is it that hard to integrate changes such as shard cap removal? Not really at least then it means people can store up and get ready there main issue is the buy cosmetics store, I don't really care about paying them more money bring it out whenever they will still get money from people who want the stuff but they wont be mad if that's all they had to wait for.

Yes, it would be.

That would add a separate update that would need to be certified.
They would then need to pull the original update that contains the cap removal, as it needs to be removed from the code, because it has been added as a separate update.
They would then need to turn the update code back in, after the removal of that code, and restart the entire certification process.

This would cause the whole update to take far longer to get certified. We'd be looking at another 3 weeks to get the full update.

in Dear Fellow Console Users Comment by 245_Trioxin June 27, 2018

HuskyTwitter said:

The full patch should be coming at the end of July, if they follow their 6 week plan. I believe they mentioned the PTB will be about 2 weeks before patch. So middle of July probably.

Yeah, I would start watching for info after the double bloodpoint weekend. Should start shortly after, if they are hitting their milestones.

in When are they planning to release the balance change PTB? Comment by 245_Trioxin June 26, 2018

powerbats said:

As someone who worked in Q&A and auditing in the high tech industry for close to 5 years the posts here are both astounding in their intellectual dishonest and outright falsehoods. The way the games industry works (note having been a internal tester) goes idea, development and testing all internal. Then it goes through more internal testing before being tested by sneak peek testers who give feedback. Once they review all that it gets put on the PTB or PTR or w/e you'd like to call it for more of the same.

Then after they get as much data as possible they try and get rid of bugs they'er aware of and pull out stuff they can't fix or make work like they want. Once it goes live they get more testing done since there's always stuff that gets past testing, I mean look at EA and Blizzard etc and how often stuff that's horrendous gets by.
For the stuff they pull it goes back for more of the same internal pattern and for the stuff they find post release they add it to that internal testing.

About that claim the pc release has been out for 1 month BULLSHEET !!!!! The PTB being out isn't an actual pc release, that's why it's called a TESTING Build because it's where you test things. You had to download a seperate program in order to test it, nothing you earned there was transferable to your pc account. So stop lying with that line of crap, it's stupid.

Now for the console releases let this be plain and clear since the claims about this are beyond stupid and false.

THE Q&A AND AUDITING PEOPLE DON'T WORK FING WEEKENDS. IT'S BASICALLY A 9-5 TYPE THING Now if that isn't obvious enough since they don't work weekends it's why it's called business days. It's only been 10 business days not 2 weeks and so the console updates usually come out on the 12 or 13th business day.

This would align with being 2-3 days before the Shrine of Secrets is supposed to come back on the 29th. It's almost as if it's like the devs said that they expected the console release to take about 2 weeks. Which is why gasp the Shrine of Secrets was coming out almost exactly 2 weeks from when console would be out.

Now if it isn't out by this week then you have a reason to complain and if it's delayed and they don't say why complain away. If you want it faster than buy a pc or quit complaining and realize that everyone out there does this, console versions are almost always released later. That's unless it's a console release 1st then pc users usually WAIT MONTHS for a release.

You chose to go the console route and yes pc's are expensive but how much have you spent on those consoles hundreds of dollars or more in a short period of time? If you'd waited and saved money you'd have a pc and I've been in both Gamestop (haven't in a long time) and other places where I see console users plopping down $400-2k on consoles and or games at 1x.

Lastly yes it sucks pc's cost so much and that consoles screw you over a longer time period moneywise. But you have to decide what's more important, saving that money for something that'll get a quicker release? (pc's have been out longer so of course their stuff comes out quicker). It could be worse, you could be stuck with a Mac.

Thank you. This is exactly what I was saying.