How is it that so many ppl seem to forget old Mettle of Men?
I just realized when it comes to "worst times of dbd" ppl have various opinions, some say it was when old Legion came out, some ppl say Halloween chapter with old DS, some even say when Spirit came out and she was busted.
But like.. did you guys forget how it was when Ash came out with Mettle of Men? You had every single lobby every single survivor using Mettle of men cuz this perk was that op and busted, you literally couldnt play any other Killer except Nurse, Legion or Huntress cuz these Killers didnt really used M1 hits so you could play around Mettle of Men.
I am still having nightmares of Mettle of Men to this day, Ash vs Evil dead was truly one if not the worst time in dbd by far, it was the most toxic and most unfun time in the whole life span of this game and I remember clearly how so many ppl where complaining and how many Killers quit playing because of this perk, myself included. I was even so done that I started playing Franks mixtape Legion only just to ######### up survivors and let them bleed out on the ground to show them how "fun" dbd was.
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Raccoon, I cannot thank you enough. After all of those discussions, you don't know how good it feels to see a friendly and reasonable face <3
And yes, I agree with everything you've said and more. I just wish everyone could see it.
I must admit...he is the reason I bought the game, so I am not unbiased (huge Englund fan....it was as close to a Freddy PC game as I could get....unrelated but I own ANoES on NES and C64 >_>)
I bought the ANOES DLC together with the base game, back in 2018.
First killer I played.
Good times.
All I know is I play games to have fun. Current Freddy is no where close to fun. Im betting a lot of people would have not asked for the re-work if they had known where he would end up today. If all you care about is 4k then you might like this version better. If you like a fun killer over winning or losing then it sounds like Old Freddy was better in this regard.
This current add-on less bag of trash we have now is lame.
Honestly I think that would be abit strong though, but I do agree that 3 is also abit rough to make, but think that way, getting to take an extra hit is pretty damn strong so in the end taking 3 hits is justified imo.
Well the thing is Freddy wasnt fun for either side (old). He had no power at all in chases, he was just a hit and run Killer just like wraith, the only difference is that you repair gens REALLY slow in the dream world which was really unfun in the part of the survivors. He just dragged out the game and it felt like a chore to play against him since he never is a threat really, more like just annoying.
You guys are trying to pick fights you can’t win. General has more input on old Freddy than any of you have put together. Trying to argue with him about it like you know more than him is like trying to argue with me about Spirit.
I am not trying to make fun of him or trying to pick up a fight here. I am just honest and also you cannot deny that a Killer with literally no Power except "stealth" cannot be good or strong, you can have as much experience as you want the Killer itsself will still be bad. I am not questioning the skill of players who like old Freddy but only because you like him doesnt make him strong. Keep in mind I am talking about if a old Freddy faced good survivors, I am not talking about survivors who just do dailys or challanges or just fool around, a efficient team that are aiming to escape will have an easy time against old Freddy.
Thank you, my friend <3
You are absolutely correct. I may not be the best killer out there, far from it, but by the Entity I am dedicated to Old Freddy.
Well I know barely anything about old Freddy. Never got to play as him or against him considering I found the game a year after his rework but I know General and he’s a good friend of mine. I know how knowledgeable of old Freddy he is and I don’t think it’s fair to diminish his experience when he has put a lot of dedication into him.
Not to throw my cents into this,
but did you play other killers at the time, or was it almost exclusively Freddy? Because that changes the argument a hell of a lot.
I played a few other killers too, but mostly Freddy.
I also played a bit of Bubba, Wraith and Myers. Of course, Freddy always took the spotlight, but those three were there too.
EDIT: Huntress too! Forgot about her.
Spirit too :)
Maybe it came abit wrong but I never intended to question his experience sry then about that.
Only after his rework though, but yes.
Oh it’s fine, I just know how General feels being a dedicated Spirit addict, so I need to call it out when I can. All is well though 👍
Seems like a time with DH and CoH.
It was rough for sure.
Are you playing Spirit since release?
No like I said, I’ve been playing since June 2020. I fell in love with her August 2020 and have been dedicated to her since.
Oh I have no clue about the dates and times, I might have to look them up. I mained Spirit too when she came out, I stopped playing her after they nerfed the post phase boost and wakizachi saya and then I switched to oni till now. I miss spirit but she really isnt fun anymore like she is now, she is ofc still strong but its just not fun cuz she feels way too clunky now compared to back then.
I guess but I can see through the clunkiness.
Oh, I have not forgotten the broken abomination that was release Mettle Of Man. It was either an intentional shameless money grab of a busted perk or the balance devs were completely out to lunch on that one.
I was an M1 killer main at the time. Every lobby had insta heal medkits and Mettle Of Man. Every single lobby. It was terrible.
CoH doesn't even come close to how broken Mettle Of Man was. At least there's a time investment on the survivor end and *some* counterplay for the killer. Mettle Of Man was a free health state and speed burst for playing the game and nothing else. And many killers had zero counterplay for it.
Well said, absolutely agree.
Old Mettle of Man was rightfully nerfed immediately. There are still broken perks and now we have boons to deal with too, which haven’t been touched other than a meaningless slight nerf to heal speed on CoH
I mean I wasn't here when it was a thing. I've heard about it but I never had to deal with it.
Im intrested as to what the other one is. Old styptic/anti-hem, Old BNP, 6 blink Nurse?
Old Legion.
Ooh another good one. Just wondering when do you consider "Old" DBD because I assume you believe there was a point where the game was better than launch day?
Me:
Never forget
If you would read the other conversations then you would know that I also disliked the spam hits.
Even survivors who were not heavily biased complained about MoM
Old MoM was only a problem because of instaheals. Otherwise, 2 protection hits back then was a fine activation condition. And I was gonna suggest reverting the nerf. But then boons came, so now if we were to revert the nerf, MoM would be OP again.
We mean when MoM came out. When it originally just came out with Ash the condition was to just get injured, after 3 injure hits you had MoM so basicly there was no counterplay to it, you just got a free healthstate every game without doing anything. Except if the Killer plays a insta down killer or a non basic attack Killer like Legion, Nurse, Huntress etc.
It wasn't meant as a personal attack, I just love Cope's face when he gets downed
I didnt took it like that dont worry just wanted to make my point. For some reason ppl think when you say "I like old legion" ppl instantly mean the exploits and spam hits without counterplay and its kinda getting tiresome.
*Billy
Nurse, Huntress, and Billy. Legion fed stacks because his M2 counted as a basic attack (and I think OG Legion was patched out by then)
Nope OG legion was there and no his M2 didnt count back then as basic it got changed later.
That makes more sense now. So not even protection hits. If you just took a hit, that's a stack for you? Yeah, that's really dumb design, even for DBD standards.
Ye there was a huge drama back then going on cuz ppl said (which I mean is kinda true) that ash DLC was a easy cash grap, bringing out a complete busted perk which got nerfed then a few months later. It shouldve been nerfed way sooner but I guess BHVR likes to let ppl suffer a while. Like I am not exaggerating by sayign EVERY match had atleast 2-3 ppl using mettle of men, this perk made it impossible to play any other killer, it was so stupid.
Many Killers myself included started playing extra toxic as a retaliation against MoM. Ppl brought only moris and (back then you could do that) infinit spammed mori on them and held ppl hostage like that just to annoy them. Killers led MoM players bleed out or played most disgusting builds possible like 5 blink nurse or Franks mixtape Legion or Iri huntress (old Irir with 3 hatchets). Like this time was truly the worst and most darkest time of dbd it was just crazy.