Why can survivors body block the hook when killers can't?

Just had a match where I was body blocked in front of the hook by a survivor and couldn't get the hook. So why can survivors do this when killers can't?

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  • Killers can hit the survivor. Survivors can't hit a killer. You could just stand in front of a hook and guarantee a kill.

  • Because you can hit them?

  • for me body blocking makes no sense, specially when every single killer can manhand the survivors with one arm.

    Killers should be able to push them away, sure, killers should be slowed somewhat but never fully blocked as its just ridiculous

  • @theblimp said:

    Just had a match where I was body blocked in front of the hook by a survivor and couldn't get the hook. So why can survivors do this when killers can't?

    You can as the killer they can't go through you just like you can't go through them. You can also play as Bubba and use your chain sawnwhen doing this it's called facecamping and otsnvery effective and very prevalent


    This post is in no way a criticism of the dbd devs and should not be taken as such. It is also not intended to point out any forum rules being violated both of which are understood to be against forum rules.

  • @KingFrost said:

    Killers can hit the survivor. Survivors can't hit a killer. You could just stand in front of a hook and guarantee a kill.

    It is so far from guaranteed, it's not even funny. You can just run up and unhook as survivor, and fake it out if you need to, but it's completely free because the game refuses to give the killer a grab. Have 2 or more people run at the hook, and it's pretty much guaranteed that the hooked person gets off, because one will unhook and the other will body block.

  • @danielmaster87 said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2580617#Comment_2580617

    It is so far from guaranteed, it's not even funny. You can just run up and unhook as survivor, and fake it out if you need to, but it's completely free because the game refuses to give the killer a grab. Have 2 or more people run at the hook, and it's pretty much guaranteed that the hooked person gets off, because one will unhook and the other will body block.

    So? Just hit the unhooker or bodyblocker and down them shortly afterward. No need to go after the person who was just taken off the hook, chances are they have BT applied to them anyway.

  • @Dumpstick said:

    Killers can body block the hook.

    I don't know what you're talking about.

    You can unhook from any direction as survivor. The killers should also be able to hook from any direction. I don't have a problem with bodyblocking on the way to the hook but you should not be able to block the hook once the killer gets there just by standing in font of it.

  • Yeah the whole survs can block the hook prompt is stupid, needs to be removed 👍

    Prompt shouldn't be blocked, but rather just push any survivors out of the way

  • @theblimp said:

    Just had a match where I was body blocked in front of the hook by a survivor and couldn't get the hook. So why can survivors do this when killers can't?

    Good. ######### you killer campers. I'll answer your question by asking another. If survivors get penalties for camping, why can't killers get penalized too?

    Like slowly blind the killer camping hooked survivor. Once they are fully blind, survivor is auto unhooked and undetectable for 20 seconds.

    Or for camping, killer refunds the hook count, the survivor is freed and reverse that hook count too.

  • @theblimp said:

    Just had a match where I was body blocked in front of the hook by a survivor and couldn't get the hook. So why can survivors do this when killers can't?

    As killer you could bodyblock the hook... . You can bodyblock windows, doors, chests. Just survivors don't hook each other, so there isn't really a point to bodyblock the hook.

  • You can block the hook on some indoor maps, Raccoon city with Twins is really fun to do this, for Twins...

  • @danielmaster87 said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2580617#Comment_2580617

    It is so far from guaranteed, it's not even funny. You can just run up and unhook as survivor, and fake it out if you need to, but it's completely free because the game refuses to give the killer a grab. Have 2 or more people run at the hook, and it's pretty much guaranteed that the hooked person gets off, because one will unhook and the other will body block.

    Not if you pick Bubba.


    Like I said other killers mean the survivors have a chance and that you could mess up. Pick Bubba and if you have any playtime in this game yourngonna be able to camp like a champ

    Edit

    This post is in no way a criticism of the dbd devs and should not be taken as such. It is also not intended to point out any forum rules being violated both of which are understood to be against forum rules.

  • @Hippie said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2580662#Comment_2580662

    So? Just hit the unhooker or bodyblocker and down them shortly afterward. No need to go after the person who was just taken off the hook, chances are they have BT applied to them anyway.

    If there are two people going for an unhook, the others will body block the one you didn't unhook. Assuming they have BT. Which the unhooker probably does in a coordinated hook bomb. If anything, going after the unhooked is your best bet if you notice they aren't going for a body block as it implies they did it without BT. But I guess they know that you know and can make it look that way to get you to waste your time. Idk. It is rarely a situation that favors a killer. Rofl.

  • @PsychoSe7eN said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/289016/why-can-survivors-body-block-the-hook-when-killers-cant

    Good. ######### you killer campers. I'll answer your question by asking another. If survivors get penalties for camping, why can't killers get penalized too?

    Like slowly blind the killer camping hooked survivor. Once they are fully blind, survivor is auto unhooked and undetectable for 20 seconds.

    Or for camping, killer refunds the hook count, the survivor is freed and reverse that hook count too.

    But killers are penalized for camping and its crazy that you dont know that.

  • Killers can bodyblock in some useful ways, although admittedly in rarer circumstances. But it is an asymmetrical game. E.g. block survivors from unhooking in corridors (Hawkins, RPD). Bodyblock survivors in a corner with Hillbilly/Bubba. Bodyblock survivors trying to escape through the exit gates when the EGC timer has almost ran out and they're healthy.

  • @PsychoSe7eN said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/289016/why-can-survivors-body-block-the-hook-when-killers-cant

    Good. ######### you killer campers. I'll answer your question by asking another. If survivors get penalties for camping, why can't killers get penalized too?

    Like slowly blind the killer camping hooked survivor. Once they are fully blind, survivor is auto unhooked and undetectable for 20 seconds.

    Or for camping, killer refunds the hook count, the survivor is freed and reverse that hook count too.

    only if the killer gets 30% speed buff afterwards,you cant vault or pallet drop and get permament crows.

    You also will be insta mori'd.

  • @PsychoSe7eN said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/289016/why-can-survivors-body-block-the-hook-when-killers-cant

    Good. ######### you killer campers. I'll answer your question by asking another. If survivors get penalties for camping, why can't killers get penalized too?

    Like slowly blind the killer camping hooked survivor. Once they are fully blind, survivor is auto unhooked and undetectable for 20 seconds.

    Or for camping, killer refunds the hook count, the survivor is freed and reverse that hook count too.

    Where did camping come into this im talking about survivors standing in the only spot a killer can hook from

  • @theblimp said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2580782#Comment_2580782

    Where did camping come into this im talking about survivors standing in the only spot a killer can hook from

    And as the killer you can then just hit the survivor and hook the one you're carrying. You've also got 2 survivors (minimum) not working on Gens, and another injured survivor.

  • I don't care that you can't bodyblock the unhook, but I really hate how hard the game prioritises hitting the person being unhooked over the one unhooking. Feels like a 1 degree cone where it will actually accept that you're behind the survivor and not swinging all the way around them.

  • @anarchy753 said:

    I don't care that you can't bodyblock the unhook, but I really hate how hard the game prioritises hitting the person being unhooked over the one unhooking. Feels like a 1 degree cone where it will actually accept that you're behind the survivor and not swinging all the way around them.

    their hitbox is pretty large and takes priority ye, you can also be pulled into hitting them by autoaim


    just wait for unhook hits, they're stunned in place for long enough to walk around and guarantee the hit before unhooker can move anyway (though it'd certainly be nice to deny them more of the speed boost for hookbombing in your face)

  • @Dumpstick said:

    The game allows for survivors to make a save by delaying the killer on the way to the hook. This is by design and is in the game. It is rare to do so and the killer would have to be incompetent if it keeps happening over and over. Even using the perks and items designed to create opportunities for the save (Saboteur, Breakout and a Sabo Toolbox) it is very difficult to do.

    If the Survivor gets a save by body blocking they deserve it. If the killer allowed it to happen he deserves it.

    The killer can always use Iron Grasp and Agitation and even Mad Grit if it is such a problem. And in fact Mad Grit builds are deceptively strong there are killers who just go around slugging people while carrying a survivor, it is a valid strategy and is actually a pretty strong strategy.

    If you are having problems with body blocking survivors use this build and get 4Ks everytime:

    • Agitation
    • Iron Grasp
    • Mad Grit
    • Starstruck

    This even works on 110% killers like Huntress but is better on 115% killers. It's that strong.

    Survivor carrying speed is the same for 110 and 115% killers. So your build would work fine for either.

    Honestly I would remove starstruck from the build as you would get more value from Mad Grit. Also just running starstruck will more then likely prevent people from trying to body block.

  • @Mandy said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2581427#Comment_2581427

    And as the killer you can then just hit the survivor and hook the one you're carrying. You've also got 2 survivors (minimum) not working on Gens, and another injured survivor.

    thats the best way you can do, exacly

  • I would also like to say that, the killer can block windows, pallets, yadda yadda, but that doesn't prevent the survivor from doing the objective, as in gens. The survivors blocking the hook prompt does.

  • Bodyblocking is fine. Especially when you get an insanely alrustric team where 3 of them will take a hit to stop you hooking the 4th. It's a pretty good deal imo.

  • @Aneurysm said:

    Bodyblocking is fine. Especially when you get an insanely alrustric team where 3 of them will take a hit to stop you hooking the 4th. It's a pretty good deal imo.

    I think body blocking is okay, except when the killers "hook" prompt is disabled due to a survivor under the hook. The when you down another the same thing happens, yadda yadda. Very annoying.

  • @Mandy said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2581427#Comment_2581427

    And as the killer you can then just hit the survivor and hook the one you're carrying. You've also got 2 survivors (minimum) not working on Gens, and another injured survivor.

    Heh, beat me to the punch. As killer I love when the players try to body block me. They are now not working on gens and I am going to get some free hits and possibly down a few of them.

  • If you lose a hook because you got bodyblocked, you got outplayed.

  • I just run starstruck ans create a pile of survivors under the hook.

  • The game is "do gens or die"

    Unhooking, body blocking, being chased, these things are not doing gens, so it means the killer is winning anyway.

  • You can with the twins. I blocked myself with Victor when I tried hooking

  • @SavouryRain said:

    If you lose a hook because you got bodyblocked, you got outplayed.

    What a silly statement.

    When yo have survivors swarming the hook so you cant hook someone there is nothing you can do unless you use certain perks.

    It has nothing to do with skill. Outplaying someone is using skill.

    Bodyblocking with all the meta crutch perks available is not skill at all.

  • I can’t believe we’re even discussing this. Jesus christ…

  • @legacycolt said:

    I can’t believe we’re even discussing this. Jesus christ…

    This went a lot further than I thought it would

  • @Hippie said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2580662#Comment_2580662

    So? Just hit the unhooker or bodyblocker and down them shortly afterward. No need to go after the person who was just taken off the hook, chances are they have BT applied to them anyway.

    You're not listening. Whoever you hit first, the other survivors will body block them. You can't down them after because they're getting blocked.

  • @theblimp said:

    Just had a match where I was body blocked in front of the hook by a survivor and couldn't get the hook. So why can survivors do this when killers can't?

    Because you can just slug them, hook your surv then hook the blocking player...

  • @Lemonwolf said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2581622#Comment_2581622

    What a silly statement.

    When yo have survivors swarming the hook so you cant hook someone there is nothing you can do unless you use certain perks.

    It has nothing to do with skill. Outplaying someone is using skill.

    Bodyblocking with all the meta crutch perks available is not skill at all.

    No, he is correct. I did get outplayed, but not by survivors. Rngesus himself decided to humble me with terrible hook spawns.

  • @danielmaster87 said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2580617#Comment_2580617

    It is so far from guaranteed, it's not even funny. You can just run up and unhook as survivor, and fake it out if you need to, but it's completely free because the game refuses to give the killer a grab. Have 2 or more people run at the hook, and it's pretty much guaranteed that the hooked person gets off, because one will unhook and the other will body block.

    Back in the day, you could unhook survivors from all directions, only the front. And killers would regularly stand in front of the hook and that survivor would have no chance of escaping.

    Yes, it was guaranteed

  • @Shroompy said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2580662#Comment_2580662

    Back in the day, you could unhook survivors from all directions, only the front. And killers would regularly stand in front of the hook and that survivor would have no chance of escaping.

    Yes, it was guaranteed

    But it's not like that anymore, so what's the point in bringing that up?

  • @danielmaster87 said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2585009#Comment_2585009

    But it's not like that anymore, so what's the point in bringing that up?

    Because you said bodyblocking a hook wouldn't be a guaranteed kill if it was in the game, which at one point that was a reality and it was a guaranteed kill

  • @Shroompy said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2586177#Comment_2586177

    Because you said bodyblocking a hook wouldn't be a guaranteed kill if it was in the game, which at one point that was a reality and it was a guaranteed kill

    I don't get it.

    I already said I'm talking about current day unhooking. Nothing is guaranteed because even when it's just 1 survivor the game will take away your grab.

  • Hit the survivor

  • @danielmaster87 said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2587482#Comment_2587482

    I don't get it.

    I already said I'm talking about current day unhooking. Nothing is guaranteed because even when it's just 1 survivor the game will take away your grab.

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    You responded to this guy saying that IF killers could body block a hook it would be a guaranteed kill. But I just realized you completely missed the point and just talked about grabs instead

  • @Dumpstick said:

    The game allows for survivors to make a save by delaying the killer on the way to the hook. This is by design and is in the game. It is rare to do so and the killer would have to be incompetent if it keeps happening over and over. Even using the perks and items designed to create opportunities for the save (Saboteur, Breakout and a Sabo Toolbox) it is very difficult to do.

    If the Survivor gets a save by body blocking they deserve it. If the killer allowed it to happen he deserves it.

    The killer can always use Iron Grasp and Agitation and even Mad Grit if it is such a problem. And in fact Mad Grit builds are deceptively strong there are killers who just go around slugging people while carrying a survivor, it is a valid strategy and is actually a pretty strong strategy.

    If you are having problems with body blocking survivors use this build and get 4Ks everytime:

    • Agitation
    • Iron Grasp
    • Mad Grit
    • Starstruck

    This even works on 110% killers like Huntress but is better on 115% killers. It's that strong.

    It works the same on all killers all killers move at the same base speed of 92% when carrying a survivor then agitation makes them 110

  • Don't know if anyone's mentioned it yet but fyi a survivor can only tank one hit cuz then they lose collision and don't block the prompt anymore

  • On a technical level, Survivors can interact with the hook on 3 different sides. front, left side, and right side. Killer can only interact with the hook on one side, the front. You can't block every side as a killer but survivors can.

    On a level of why not let killer body block? They would be able to face camp like no tomorrow and prevent a player from being saved. Sure it wastes time but it's just frustrating for the one being camped.

    And why can survivors body block, you have a weapon. Use it.

  • @PsychoSe7eN said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/289016/why-can-survivors-body-block-the-hook-when-killers-cant

    Good. ######### you killer campers. I'll answer your question by asking another. If survivors get penalties for camping, why can't killers get penalized too?

    Like slowly blind the killer camping hooked survivor. Once they are fully blind, survivor is auto unhooked and undetectable for 20 seconds.

    Or for camping, killer refunds the hook count, the survivor is freed and reverse that hook count too.

    ...What did I just read?

    Killers get a hefty BP penalty for camping, even when we aren't actually camping (you've decided to follow me en-masse to hook and now we are playing grab-ass around it). Plus, BHVR have said that they have a plan coming to further stop facecamping.

    Also - this is such a good example of a whataboutism that I need to frame it and hang it on a wall somewhere.

    Your solution is silly, as all survivors would just cluster around the hook and it would be impossible to get them.

  • @StarLost said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2580782#Comment_2580782

    ...What did I just read?

    Killers get a hefty BP penalty for camping, even when we aren't actually camping (you've decided to follow me en-masse to hook and now we are playing grab-ass around it). Plus, BHVR have said that they have a plan coming to further stop facecamping.

    Also - this is such a good example of a whataboutism that I need to frame it and hang it on a wall somewhere.

    Your solution is silly, as all survivors would just cluster around the hook and it would be impossible to get them.

    I wouldn't hold your breath about the upcoming "changes' to stop face camping.

  • @Introvertedvet said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2581437#Comment_2581437

    Heh, beat me to the punch. As killer I love when the players try to body block me. They are now not working on gens and I am going to get some free hits and possibly down a few of them.

    This. I have no idea why survivors want to play grab-ass when I'm hooking someone. All you're giving me is an easy hit, and potentially another down right after I hook.

  • @Mandy said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2581427#Comment_2581427

    And as the killer you can then just hit the survivor and hook the one you're carrying. You've also got 2 survivors (minimum) not working on Gens, and another injured survivor.

    Ah yes let’s talk about the small positives than actual fairness lol.

  • @theblimp said:

    Just had a match where I was body blocked in front of the hook by a survivor and couldn't get the hook. So why can survivors do this when killers can't?

    Who says you cant I already reported a map area where the clowns belly works for bodyblocking.I think they still didnt fix it tho.