Can we talk about the ultimate second chance survivor build?
Dead hard, borrowed time, unbreakable, decisive strike.
this is the absolute crutch meta build I've ever seen in this game and it's used a lot.
4 second chance perks? Come on. How can you think you're good when you're using 4 second chance crutch perks?
This build is problematic and it's even worse when all 4 survivors use it. (SWF)
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What I said was: "Except you think every match is a SWF - when most of them obviously aren't" - I am not talking IN GENERAL I was referring (again) to his VODs where it is obvious that he was not facing bully squads etc - like he claims he is almost EVERY match. You will find that Lord_Tony loves to speak using hyperbole and vitriol most of the time.
There is no denying SWFs exist and that they can have advantages over matches with all solo players. I personally have no issues with SWFs - I like a challenge and frankly solo teams sometimes are laughably easy. I gain way more pleasure from owning a 2-4 man SWF than I do beating up a bunch of randoms running around aimlessly.
Unlike Tony - I own my mistakes and when I am outplayed - whether that be by solos or a SWF - I own that too. I don't need to throw a temper tantrum on my stream and come to the forums and continue acting like a petulant brat throwing a temper tantrum spouting off hyperbolic claims.
Dead hard ? Just anticipate it after once
BT ? Dont tunnel
Unbreakable ? Dont slug
Ds ? Again dont tunnel
Its fine as it is. Its just excuses to nerf survivors again because you cant handle them
You cant win everytime
He plays Spirit, gets 4 outed and rage quits. Just playing a stronger killer isn’t the answer because SWF isn’t the problem, it’s that his gameplay needs work.
Wasting your time. Survivors have never and will never care about fairness. They just want easy games, easy wins and a clown with a rubber knife to entertain them and be their punching bag. Don't try to use logic with them.
I ragequitted because I wasn't running stridor and everyone had ######### iron will.
######### that ######### made me so mad.
Finally someone said it thank you
Try playing a while without sound and a while as survivor l. I tend to play Survivor so that second one came naturally but I ended up playing a couple nights as killer without sound (late at night and my headset was broken) you'll find that you start figuring where survivors are without the sound cues and iron will won't be as much a problem
(make no mistake it will always be easier with thr sound but it'll make it more doable without the cues)
but I can't see them either so kinda hard when I can't see them or hear them
"Dont talk about me and my problems! Only talk about you! Only you have problems"
Yeah the hypocrisy be killing me
No problem:)
Sorry if I wasn't clear but what I was recommending wasn't so they would be easier to spot its so that you would better know where to look for them
Hi Lord Tony
Im a killer main and i hv no problem survivors running this perk.
Unbreakable is the only big issue as slugging is an amazing strat, ds and bt shouldn't even be a problem if you're a good killer
Ow i'd bet my remaining nut killers would give up ruin / undying / pop if survivors would run something else as well.....
Hell ... was running some really stupid Coloraphobia / Sloppy / Thana build on Legion to get a Iridiscent Malicious Emblem challenge done and sudently got on a win streak... you bots don't even know what do when playing anti - meta. "wait, we can't heal up under the killers nose then hop on gens? Wait, i've wated all this time looking for totems?! Whelp, i didn't find a totem, ow he kicked that one gen, might as well leave it cos Pop" Like it was a beatiful sight to see 2 people trying to heal a third while i'm chasing the 4th around the hook and the unhooked dude isn't even healed by the time the time the 4th goes down.....
Just watched one of your vods, and holy ######### you are both toxic and horrible at the game, you chase someone for 2 minut's without pressuring any other gen's and then complain about "genrushing", you randomly throw powers without knowing how too use them, and you play incredibly toxic, and then proceed too complain about "toxic swf".
Grow the ######### up.
So many people complain about gen speeds. I'm sorry but when you're a solo survivor sitting there for a minute and a half while your teammates are goofing around with all the looping crap is quite long enough. And if the killer finds you - which, given that you're sitting in one place making noise for 80 seconds is likely - you either abandon and / or lose all progress on that generator. Which, by the way, gives less points that the people who like to just run around playing tag with the killer.
I've played games where I was the only person doing generators, ie the only person making actual progress in the match. That's a combined six minutes of doing basically nothing in a game where the average match length is ten minutes or less. And, again, the others get more points because they're the ones dong the loop / hook / heal cycle. Needless to say I don't do this regularly, nor would a good killer let me.
So yeah, maybe in SWF gens go too fast, but it's tiresome to hear how much SLOWER they need to be just so the killer can get more kills. The killers win the game plenty. I've had countless, COUNTLESS games where at least 2-3 generators were left, and quite a few where none got done at all, so I guess the gen speed isn't as ridiculous as it could be.
Don't speak for all of us, please.
Every perk you mentioned has some kind of requirement that prevents it from being a serving chance.
Corrupt.. I'll give you this one.
Ruin... Nerfed and unreliable totem spawns render it useless early.
PGTW... You have to hook someone. Not an easy task at high ranks.
Tink/BBQ... Useless on it's own/requires a hook. Has like 7 counters.
You can pick them up with nerfed ds my dude, i think you're late, or don't read the patch notes.
The kicking things it's just bad honestly, giving free perk to one side will not fix the game, they just need a form of early game slowdown, but it should be engaging even for survivor (for example they have to collect parts before starting a gen)
Ruin is the strongest regression perk in the game, and you forgot to mention tinkerer, probably because it's free information + stealth for killers while they're failing at pressuring gens
May want to actually think about your claim. This is a killer main that wants easy wins, which also seems to be half of the forum, tbh.
mmmmm there was a scrapped "early game collapse" at one point iirc. One.... thematic idea would be none / some of the gens spawn. More will spawn in 2-3 minutes. Around the map there are altars. Survivors can interact with these altars, (very fast interaction, shouldn't be bait for the killer) to shave like 30 seconds of the timer in exchange for some of their blood (they take a health state of damage and are possibly borken for like 30 seconds).
In either case some side objective would be nice.... and while i have literally won a couple games by doing an early patrol... hearing nobody doing gens, going to my totem and getting a quick down on the ruin dude, then patrolling the ruin because now we have one guy going to unhook and a third going for the ruin and i have 1 person on gens for like the first 5 minutes of a game..... that's really unreliable
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Maybe you should talk about why people use it. I use borrowed time, unbreakable, decisive strike and iron will since the rank reset bug because in yellow/green ranks (where I guess the majority is) it's a camp/tunnel fest and as a solo survivor it's a nightmare without them.
how can you expect to play better if you DC? I have had plenty of bad games from both sides but I just suck it up, take the points and move on to the next match. This game seems to be causing you a lot of stress, maybe you need to take a break.
Holy ######### is it THEE Lord Tony himself? It always brings a smile to my face to see you post. Can someone link the vod of him playing on The Game with the Ash?
Reading your forum posts and I actually caught some of your stream the other day has me extremely curious.....why in the hell do you play this game? It does not seem like you are enjoying yourself at all. Unless you enjoy making yourself miserable?
lets talk about both being cancer and instead of fixing only one sides problems fix both to make all communities better and more happy
no I want the game balanced.
I actually felt bad when I was playing iri head infantry belt huntress against noob solos (before nerf)
and SWF is far from balanced to the point it's unfair
I was tlaking about BEFORE the nerf and DS was left unchaged for YEARS
but undying gets nerfed in months
Now we are talking seriously. Yes that is a huge crutch build and almost everyone use it in red ranks, but its entirely devs fault that things like this exist, you can't really blame survivors for using that build or similar ones, they are able to use it and they go with it. Its the devs that should not be giving so much second chance perks to survivors imo, but im no dev so.. we have to deal with it.
Come on you can't compare Dead hard to Corrupt.. lol that is a one time use perk that just gives some time at first but it encourage survivors to do gens together, so its a give and take. Ruin die too as soon as its destroyed, with pop the killer have to hook someone. Tinkerer its the only perk that requiere no effort to trigger it.
You can use dead hard the whole match and DH can't be deal with if you are a nurse or if they use it for distance, don't try to give DH a counter because it doesn't have and the reach it gives is broken, its just there because the devs don't know or refuse to fix the desync in matchs. But that doesn't mean it should be there. DH should give immunity or reach not both...
the immunity dead hard gives is so annoying.
When I'm playing deathslinger I can't bait out good DH users by pretending to shoot, I have to actually shoot.
So I have to PREDICT where they are going be it left, right, straight, 360, etc.
So if I shoot at a spot I predict they will dead hard AND hit them I trigger an invincible frame.
So I'm literally punished for baiting and predicting their dead hard.
Why are survivors even so oppressive anyways?
Aren't killers suppose to feel like bossfights?
and yet survivors are the boss fights
I'm comparing 4 overwhelming perks to 4 overwhelming perks lol
Dead hard can't be used the whole match lol it also has it's trigger (getting injured). Here is some situations where dead hard is countered:
I wouldn't compare dead hard to corrupt but at least corrupt guaranteed works every game but if you want to, you can stop any survivor getting value out of their dead hard.
Also for the other 3 perks that the OP mentioned they also have a trigger. DS is literally tunnelling a survivor who isn't trying to progress the game, BT is the same. For unbreakable value you need to get slugged, which doesn't always happen.
Wow against good survivors someone who we know already not bring good gets actually outplayed?
Mind-blowing 🤯
again you're forgetting the fact killers kicking generators without perks is 100% useless and gen speeds are super ######### fast.
so we can't be expected to use ruin, pop and corrupt now?
yes they are crutch perks but we need them because kicking mechanics are ######### garbage. It also doesn't help gen tapping is a thing
survivors with their crutch perks need them for their lack of skill. There is a huge difference
Running all four is sweaty. This is mirrored by Killer regression Meta, sweaty.
Welcome to Red ranks, I hope you enjoy your stay.
Your style of gameplay that's what needs a buff because I don't even play killer and I know half for the stuff that you did is a no no
yeah I was told the mistake I made was kicking a generator without perks.
that alone should tell you kicking gens needs a ######### buff
If that's what you think but from what I saw you chase the guy for 2 minutes why why chase them for that long that was your biggest mistake like the amount of gennys that can get done in that time frame you were asking for it
Ah yes, only SWFs use only meta perks, why haven't I realized this sooner.
Tony is still the Sluzzy of SWFs I see.
Yep and people are going to ignore these facts in pursuit of their own personal narrative because people like this I just laugh at
so then go make your own thread about killer perks.
I'm not going to sit here for hours arguing over both sides here.
one game I was doing nothing but patrolling generators and they still were flying by fast.
Gen speeds are ######### insane
I'm not even a survivor main, I play both sides pretty evenly.
My problem is how everything wrong with the game is attributed to SWFs with you.
You need to play survivor.
Why would I play survivor SOLO?
It's only OP with SWF
Get some friends, get into a SWF.
Obviously.