I get that people want an LGBT character, but...
Why?
Let me preface by saying I'm not LGBT-phobic or spreading hate speech or anything, I'm just stating my opinion.
If a character is made ONLY to be LGBT and that's their WHOLE personality, then it wouldn't be a good addition, neither would cheesily integrating it into a character's current lore.
WHY does it matter if there's an LGBT character? Why do we need one? What's the point? "oH hEY gUys, wE aDdeD An LGBT cHaRIcTer." I don't care who my character is, I just want the gameplay to be good.
There just isn't a reason.
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Pretty sure it was just bad wording on the OP's part.
However, I believe OP is referring to a situation that could arise. An LGBT character instead of a character who is LGBT. One is a character who solely exists to appease part of the community, the other is a character that exists in the same manner that all the other characters do, they just happen to be LGBT.
I'm not sure how likely the former option is, but I could see it happening.
Forget twice dezz over here deserves ######### 30
Just according to the recent Q&A stream and how they included straight relationships etc there is no basis to assume there will be a char that only exist for LGBT+ representation though..
I'm aware, which is why I said it COULD happen, not that it would.
And that's why the devs have held off of just shoving in that one of their existing characters is gay. So many gay people love David (from my experience anyway) and so just go "btw guys David is gay have fun", but they want to actually do it properly and do it justice, like they have with Zarina and Elodie and Claudette; the fact they're non-white isn't an integral part of their lore (I mean, it is for Zarina but it's not all she's about) and yet people adore Elodie because of how she looks; it's good representation. That's what they're wanting to do for an LGBT+ character (in their own words, anyway, we'll have to see how it pans out) and honestly go BHVR for that.
If you don't care about LGBT representation you shouldn't have any issues with having them in the game. Let the people who do care be happy and you can be indifferent all you like; just another survivor to kill (or escape as). If you do, you're part of the problem.
(This final statement was not directed at you, Pulsar but people in general, just in case you thought I was coming at you.)
I absolutely get what you are saying.
I just want GOOD representation, and I am cautious about being optimistic.
side note: nothing against Elodie's voice actor, but I really hate how she sounds. She is so loud, hurts my ears :(
I Love Aloy because she's a strong lead, she is nothing like me, I am nothing like her, she's a great character. No sexuality. (Horizon)
I Love Sir Galahad because I find him extremely attractive, but we are nothing alike. (The Order:1886)
I Love Meg because we both had/have single mothers and are athletes.
I Love Lara Croft because she's a strong lead, we are nothing alike.
I hate being pandered to. I'm gay and I absolutely hate when developers jingle the "gay card" in front of my face and expect me to spend $$$.
I also hate June because it's nothing but "Look how we Love our gay community, Spend your $$$ here" then forget us come July.
If it happens, it happens. Who cares, stop asking for it, stop begging for it. Some times I just like being invisible to the World, stop looking at me and seeing only my sexuality. We are more than that.
I'm not opposed to it at all and I don't think the OP is either, but nea and legion are already LGBT in my eyes and I feel like people don't even want it for the game itself but just so they can feel better about the lore speaking of it but I just don't see why it should just like why should they have anything that mentions being straight in the lore? I've read most of the lore but I'm not so into it that I would go buy a book on this ######### that's for sure lol and I think that's where this is coming from is people like me who don't care either way but don't understand why it's brought up like a real life issue in a video game, that's the best way I know to put it
Crossdressing is not LGBT...
It could be considered to belong to the ‚Q+‘ part of the LGBTQ+ community though.
but I don’t know exactly, there are also the I and A s that belong to the community and much more, i am not really up to date on that topic.
Last I heard (though, to be fair, it was a while ago), most crossdressers are heterosexual men.
Yeah pretty sure this is still the case,the reason should be obvious
Yeah sure, but Queer or + in the wider sense doesn’t exclude heterosexuality as far as I know.
and i thought being straight but still crossdressing or otherwise not being heteronormative would count towards these parts.
Not for me it's not. I've never worn women's clothing, but the "fancier" stuff seems very uncomfortable to wear. I don't understand why anyone - man or woman - would wear uncomfortable clothing.
I dunno, it hardly matters in the end. They like it and they're not hurting anyone, that's really the end of the issue.
The reason is as wide from simply ,,they like it'' to being a fetish.
this i can already see survivors saying "youre just killing me because i am gay i report you know reeee"
Fair enough, though I still don't understand what's appealing about women's clothes.
Side note, it's weird to think that dresses were originally designed for men, but now it's taboo for men to wear them. Like make-up.
they weren't forced in to the game
Then they get punished for filing false reports, the same way racists get banned when they spew their BS in the chat after killing black characters. Note that the devs didn't avoid adding black characters just because of racists throwing a fit.
And you know this how? Please, show your work.
They kind of were forced into the game though. The devs said they don’t want any kind of sexual identification included into the game but did so anyway. That is actually one of the reasons why they will not exclude LGBT+ anymore, because they included straight relationships when they said they won’t.
Drag is a part of LGBT culture as a method of performative non-conformity with gender expression, and playing with presentation, but I don't think that skin is like... Bubba's Drag Persona.
I mean unless we pull a Babadook. Us LGBTQ+ folks are cultural coup masters. Surviving so long with everyone refusing to give us representation has made us masters of making things into mainstream gay icons in order to create a place for ourselves in mainstream culture.
Fear our power! We turned leather gay and we could do the same to the killer you main!
like dlc you cant change thier lore like freddy had a wife they can hardly make a other story for him
Alright, you made me laugh. Take the upvote.
There are original characters in DbD, you know.
The thing is i don't care about LGBT being added into the game. Wether it's added or not doesn't matter to me.
But by definition by not caring it means that i wouldn't be opposed to it and if it makes some people happy, more power to them.
I just don't understand how you can be opposed to something you don't care about.
Saying that you are part of the LAST generation that could develop common sense kind of contradicts your second statement.
Social media is used by people of all ages and all political believes.
The education thing is dependant on country, region and institution. People also have different opinion on what is a radical political believe and what not.
i know i was just saying for dlc characters you cant chnage them i have people seen angry because of freddy like bhvr cant change him just for a few people
You have chosen wisely. Nurse shall be spared. Not because nurse being gay would be bad, but simply because it is not in our whims today.
For real though I am a social scientist and queer myself and this is a huge part of my work (I actually specifically am trying to specialize in queerness in gaming related spaces!) and its both... kinda enheartening how our culture has adapted to this juggernaut of memetic warfare, but sad how that came about due to necessity in order to squeeze representation from a stone.
Like if there was a push to do so I am 100% certain that queer people could make anything they want a LGBTQ+ icon and no body could stop them. Babadook kinda proved it.
No one is asking to change their lore. literally no one. But because it was added, people were asking for LGBT+ to be treated the same. And BHVR acknowledged that and they want to add LGBT+, they are not forced to do so, they even said it is important for them.
Oh boy here we go, everyone hold on to your popcorn and all the other snacks because there might be those type of people who snap at everyone hoping to cancel them right away. They're always looking for trigger worthy phrases along these comments, I don't even think this forum thread is even safe from them. Including a LGBT character sounds like a neat idea, however if someone gets targetted in game with said character, we already know there's people gonna take offense to that.
Like "omg this guy is targeting me and that's because I'm gay!!" Get a grip mate, that's just how the game is played, there's no reason for that survivor to be potentially overpowered just because they're a certain sexual preference. We're just gonna have to sit and wait on how their perks will play out, along with the killer that will come with their DLC if anything. But either way if no killer comes with said survivor then it's whatever. Gonna have to make a judgement called based on the technicalities of their perks, you can make almost any survivor to be the same if you level them up to 40+, so it wouldn't matter to those who have saved their bloodpoints. This thread is getting some traction, so hopefully a forum mod takes notice.
You mean licensed characters, not DLC characters. Nearly every character is a DLC character.
Because despite a monumental amount of progress on attitudes towards diversity and tolerance, there are still an uncountable amount of places where it is still a lonely, terrifying place to be LGBTIQ.
I guarantee you that right now there will be players in this community where within their own PHYSICAL community they’re isolated, and still too terrified to let anyone else who they really are on the inside. It’s a very lonely existence when you feel you need to hide every single day of your life. It’s also extremely exhausting. For these people, media is their only solace in finding connection, representation, and role models.
Everybody needs to have SOMETHING, somewhere, no matter who or what you are whereby they/we can find solidarity and common ground, otherwise we simply go crazy, or thoughts go even darker (I don’t think it’s necessary to explicitly state what I mean as I think the implication is obvious).
It’s easy to say something like this is unnecessary in DBD, and I understand why some people feel that way. It probably means life outside of gaming is good for you, and that’s great.
But whereas an LGBTIQ character in DBD might mean nothing to many, for some players, particularly younger ones, their favourite game might provide them enough of a sliver of hope to just keep holding on.
ofc its important if it makes them more money and the sjws happy
I'm not opposed I just simply don't understand why it matters I guess? If they added it tomorrow I wouldn't care lol
There are already people who take offense to being targeted for playing a black character, just like there are people who target others who play black characters. Are these good reasons to avoid adding black characters? Should we kowtow to people like that?
Today I learned someone asking that LGBT people be treated like non-LGBT people is an SJW.
you dont get my point lets look at cyber punk they had a poster with a trans man/woman on it they people went ape ######### over it because you could see the big pp saying it isnt good for the trans community or some ######### but if they wouldnt have it they would cry for not having it in the game sjws will cry about legit every thing and do anything to get what they want
Damn, the ultimate ‚devs only want moneyz‘ argument.
can’t argue against that.
(because it’s not an argument)
but just for the fun: they will actually loose money. There are MANY people that are homophobic and will stop supporting the game or at least the DLC when an LGBT+ character gets added. It would be safer to just pander to the homophobic consumers.
The only "crying" I heard was from people who said that CDPR had "gone full SJW" for daring to show a woman in the first trailer.
lol bold statement saying alot of people are homophobic just because people dont agree with others doesnt make them homophobic people dont buy the twins because it sucks and a waste of money i wont buy it if lets say next chapter a gay killer comes out and its good i buy it
There’s always going to be people offended over anything, everything, and nothing.
That shouldn’t mean we stop endeavouring to provide hope to those that might lack some in their lives.
people went nuts over the " did you assume my gender" joke while they didnt even know the context it was in
As a gay person, I disagree. Representation is absolutely not important in videogames. If you require representation to play a videogame comfortably then you have a problem. I hate to break it to you, but videogames are fantasy. You're not these characters. They're not you. And who they ######### should be just as irrelevant to you as who your co-workers #########. BHVR should ignore the, "muh representation" group festering on here and just do whatever the hell they want.
They didn't like a joke that was making fun of them and you think that's somehow bad?
They are doing whatever the hell they want. Specifically, they're adding an LGBT character.
You do understand that people can want to add LGBT characters to their work, right?
Gotta get those pander points
Not a bold statement, there are definitely many people that are openly homophobic. I have seen way too many tweets when BHVR announced they were not excluding LGBT+ anymore that said they will leave the game because of that. (Most of those hate comments were deleted shortly after though)
they won’t gain THAT much money for adding LGBT. I am pretty sure that in the end, the chapter won’t see any significant higher or lower purchase rate. The money argument doesn’t hold here for any side.
Ok, so try to exercise some empathy. Imagine what its like to be the kind of person who is often demonized or villified, who has to make all sorts of choices about their own safety and relationships with other people every time they meet someone new about if they should share something about themselves. Imagine your someone who knows that people like you sometimes become homeless because their family members don't accept them. And imagine that society is so obsessed with a specific variation on relationships that entire genres are built on it, and its used as incidental or core aspects of character dynamics, but that relationships that are relevant to you are rarely if ever seen and when they are generally don't involve any main characters.
I fully believe you wouldn't care if a LGBTQ+ character was added today, because you don't have to think about the experience of being LGBTQ+, but at least try, for a moment, to imagine how hostile the world can feel, in part because the stories we constantly tell rarely include anyone like you being an important character, a good character, or a character you might like.
This is the concept of privilege. Reactionaries have twisted that word to make it into something people joke about, 'check your privilege.' Like its total nonsense: you don't get a cookie and a pat on the ass for being straight! But actually, in social sciences, privilege is a super real thing, as real to our discipline as say... gravity is to physics, and its an intersection of sociology and psychology. It doesn't mean you have any formal benefits or institutionalized, universal advantage. What it means is you don't have to interact with an aspect of reality someone else does at ALL. It can be invisible to you. Which is part of why it was easy to twist into something silly: the word is literally defining something that the dominant cultural group of a society doesn't ever have to think about and might never notice, so pretending its some delusional screeching is easy, when in reality its... quite obvious that straight people have certain privileges society grants them that they wouldn't even notice?
Like have you ever had to decide if it was safe to come out as straight to someone? If admitting to someone you were straight may cost you a job, or a vital bit of your support structure? No? Obviously not, the idea of having to do that is absurd, but the endless process of coming out (because it doesn't happen just once, its a very long term thing and kinda never ends because you need to decide if your going to be out in ANY social interaction where your relationship status or preferred type of partner may come up, which is a shocking amount) both has a mental cost, as well as social and material ones.
Likewise there are actually measurable mental health impacts of representation. Like a measurable reduction in suicide rates, and that, again, seems absurd to someone who has never had to think about this, but its... again... really obvious the current media landscape is super hostile towards lots of different types of people in a way that resembles constant low level abuse. For example, ignoring the very obvious instances of actively negative representation where queer people are actively to be reviled or hated, queer characters are far more likely to experience violence in media than straight cis characters, which kinda matters a lot, because a huge point of mass media is to create and normalize culture. Like you can actually track rates of things like bullying and harassment in schools going down with queer characters in popular children's cartoons and videogames among given age groups.
Which is why people are willing to get loud about positive representation when it seems silly to you: because to those people it actually means quite a lot of very real things besides just "I want it."
And also, you know, it doesn't really cost you anything for people to get this W. So you tossing yourself into this conversation implying its dumb to even care also is... part of the problem, even if you weren't trying to be. It implies that it is silly to want to be treated differently than you are currently being treated, when I think any reasonable person would agree LGBTQ+ have every reason to demand to be treated differently than they currently are.
Like the Silent Hill chapter, which was made to pander to Silent Hill fans.