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I main bubba and it happened today but only because the lag is so bad right now that I missed MANY hits with both the hammer and chainsaw. The hammer I kept rubber banding constantly. Chainsaw they were probably hacking cuz they got hit and it still didn't down them plus everyone not injured had a speed boost without hope. This was more of a complaint paragraph than helpful.
Generally, yes you can but it's hard. I recently was survivor on eerie and saw a bubba insidious camping basement. I ran down, juked him into a tantrum making him hit the basment hooks, then saved the person. We all got to the endgame but that girl sadly got downed with gates open. Nearly a four escape, and his camping didn't help him any.
A smart bubba should always get atleast one kill generally speaking but it comes down to the team. As long as the players can make him miss his saw its 100% possible. If he misses it and tantrums/goes on cool down he can't do anything to you.
It's DIFFICULT to 4 escape and camping Bubba. But not impossible by any stretch.
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@Nebula said:
Just played a nurse match where I literally could not hit people because every time I blinked the game would rubber band
I loaded in as bubba and pride myself in being a fun fair non camping bubba. I lost three gens from rubber banding making me kiss hits when I outplayed them at pallets and jungle guns. I played better and the game ######### me over
so I decided I had to camp at that point if the game is broke
I was hitting CHAINSAWS and rubber banding AT THE HOOK. Then the toxic survivors in typical survivor toxicity . I hit every player at once and didn’t get a single down. And in typical toxic fashion they started teabagging and flashlight clicking. Either hacking or worst server issues ever.
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Lag is so bad today I literally chainsawed multiple survivors at once and got zero downs and my “hit ten survivors” challenge didn’t give me a single hit for the six hooks I got with my hammer
every single killer player needs to quit until this ######### is addressed. I’m having fun escaping as survivor but killer is pretty much the worse I’ve experienced in 3/4 years.
it was Either lag or hacks. I’ve seen so many ######### cheaters this week it’s insane. But yeah it’s our problem to figure out. Login and go afk with insidious and lightborn. Let people waste their ######### cakes if the problems won’t get addressed
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It’s so hard to get maximum stalk with him that if you’re seeing his addons activate your team played badly. This is a pointless thread.
without those addons yea the worst character in the game
have you tried not letting him stalk you? Or just doing gens at all?
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@Gamall said:
They are literally removing the overhar mechanic, don't they?
Dude read
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it’s to balance the gen regression nerfs. Now instead of losing time to gens regressing you have to juggle healing time. It’s a shake up but the goal is just to move the killers slowdown from gens to survivors , which honestly puts more power in survivors hands they just have to do things intelligently
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I’m still waiting on kidchapter before coming back from taking a bbut
we are ONLY going to see tunneling every game now. Literally every gen regression perk has been nerfed in under a year now
there is literally no viable strategy to getting people before gens pop now. And nerfed healing just means more toolboxes. It’s like the people making these decisions don’t understand how the actually gameplay flow or psych works
killers have been saying tunneling is happening because of gen rushing so the devs buff gen rushing? It’s not even a us vs them thing by the way, it’s just a fact it’s going to happen . Period.
im glad I’m in the middle of p100ing vittorio cuz killer is going to be miserable as #########
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I don’t even play billy because he is already garbage. It’s like the devs are stuck in theee years ago when he mattered. I’d get more kills in this game with zap brannigan and a mine craft pick than billy
the billy nerf is the single stupidest part of this update. Sounds like someone at behavior got schooled by a billy and are mad about it.
not a single player wanted this.
six months from now: on we see billy is under performing so we’re gonna need his remaining addons
billy is the new pig. Everyone just needs to get on board and change the meme
“killers are tunneling more after we nerfed all gen perks so we are needing billy, he no longer dashes, instadowns, or has addons. But we did add more depressing lore for him in the new time”
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Nerfing all the gen regression in a year is a very bad idea. Between pop being gutted last year and now this there will be an exponential increase in tunneling. Doesn’t matter how bad healing is now.
faster gens always leads to more tunneling. We may see killers spreading pressure but nothing in the update makes tunneling a weaker option for the killers, but nerfing gens regression makes it a better option.
healing nerfs will only either help lower or average mmr killers who don’t want to tunnel out of principle-good for them- or help tunneling killers spread some damage but still go back to the same person, or make it harder to heal and then go make saves against someone being camped
I’m excited though. I hope to be wrong and see a fresh new meta. But I’m 99.9% sure nerfingall the gen regression perks rather than rework is not the right move
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Core mechanics of whole game need changing. everyone calling to nerf regression perks really can’t think two steps ahead
1) they need the gen regression perks
2) kill rates will absolutely plummet
3)killers will get over buffed to compensate
there needs to be additional objectives added, point blank, rather than continuously needing and buffing stuff
As for skull merchant she just needs a full rework period
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@Sava18 said:
If you are actually good at survivor the only thing holding you down is Randoms. People don't care if they throw for a glyph. People are still terrible after 2k hours. Is solo queue bad? Yes. Is it because of balance towards killers or is it terrible players throwing the game? Both from killer and survivor PoV it's most definitely terrible players weighing down the semi-competent survivors.
Had a bill dc while I was running to save him. Killer had four hooks all match. He was looping by my gen-the final one - and I could have used adrenaline to go to the gate, but I decided to be a good solo q player and ran to bill and the moment I arrived he dced in my face so the killer spin around and hit me. So I go down and get facecamped in end game. Because of one salty terrible selfish player punishing me for being a helpful not selfish player.
I was lucky the other two randoms could get me out, and lucky the killer was so terrible he failed at camping. But yeah, doesn’t matter if you’re good when the teammates are bad. That’s why everyone continues to think what Patrick said about “skilled plays” was flat out insulting to the player base.
I wasn’t punished for playing badly, I WAS punished for playing well while having a bad teammate, and had the other randoms chosen to leave me I would have lost for no other reason than playing WELL. But if I had ran straight to the gate with adrenaline while Bill was nearby then I would have been the selfish toxic solo q teammate .
really starting to consider just offering ENOUGH help to keep people alive for gens but the moment they seem like deadweight or gens are done, just leaving. The game seems to want us to play that way. It’s basically encouraged at this point. And with what Patrick said last year I’m starting to assume it’s might be what the devs want anyway. Players tripping each other as the killer chases them so to speak.
feela like the game is balanced around teammwork because the devs know people won’t play as a team, that’s what it’s balanced around-people playing selfishly. Frankly it kind of makes sense. Swfs are only strong because MOST players are jerks. Hell I’ve had to abandon swfs I’ve been on because people STILL played selfishly and died on Hook/dced even after I and others told them to stop doing it.
atleast 1/4 of my matches now have left behind (bill hatch park ?) and solo survivor (Laurie last girl perk?) I should know the names but don’t because only selfish match throwers being that garbage.
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@crogers271 said:
Same experience as OP. Played yesterday for three hours before I finally got an escape (so about a dozen games). Sometimes our team won, but I was the one caught at the end, sometimes other players just did nothing, a few games with disconnect because no one wants to play Skully, and, of course, sometimes just outplayed by the killer.
After finally getting my escape, switched to killer, Myers. Played five games, 3 wins via 4k, 2 draws. Stopped playing killer because it was unsatisfying.
I'd like an experience somewhere in the middle of those two.
I had a game as Mikey on the game. All intents and purposes I should have lost because it was double red addons. I didn’t hit tier three until the third gen popped. Got one mori and one regular kill as they started jumping in lockers/trading hooks. Which is fair that’s how you counter it
last two survivors with one gen left kept setting up boons to heal and pickup so I could neither slug one person nor mori due to the lockers
usually I’d just take the three k and play for hatch but that’s when the tebagging and emoting started. Well really these two did it all match. Clearly a duo paired with the two potatoes I killed
so their toxicity instigated my own. I didn’t want either of them to escape but if I put out the bomb it just went back up. They three genes pretty bad too.
mat h was nearly 45 minutes or longer just downing one, go to the other, first one gets up and goes to gen, over and over. Put out boon, boon goes back
the boons aren’t hard to deal with but they are 100% a part of holding the game hostage especially on multi floor maps. Either the killer accepts he physically won’t get be able to4k or the survivors just keep the match going. It’s “who is going to lose patience first”
only way out is to kill number 3 and do a hatch race. Again I wouldn’t mind except just sick of the toxic players so it just became a back and forth sadly and I’m not proud of it
I finally accidentally moried number 3 and beat number four to hatch. She then stated loud spamming lockers instead of going to door so I just grabbed her and tossed her in the hook finally.
They held the game all that time knowing there was no possibility of them both getting out. Just because of one boon. And then just gave up at the end anyway. Why? I’ve literally escaped double iri Mikey by going to door while he looked for hatch. Done it against many killers. And of course it was the teabagger who brought the boon.
couldni have just done hatch race sooner? Yeah. But hopefully now the next time they behave so toxically they think about how much time they are going to waste. It’s reached a point with this community it’s more about either I have fun in a match or in proving a point, than it is winning
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@Grum said:
Both of my friends just uninstalled the game last night. It feels like we spend more time loading in and out of lobbies, trying to find a normal, playable match, than actually playing. The game's been bad for a long time, but it's been especially bad since the new chapter. Last night, nearly every single killer we got was bringing builds + map offerings and deliberately playing as nasty as possible, and then trash talking in the post game apropos of nothing. No one even did anything to these people. It's just so tiresome to put up with anymore.
Man that’s a nail on the head. Between people dcing/lobby dodging/bad matchups/three gen hostage- the time I spend on blood points I had maybe three or four matches the last day I played but was in the game for a couple hours. Which is insane
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@solidhex said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3371761#Comment_3371761
Strange, i win a lot of killer games with my mains, except Wraith who is just a ######### M1 killer of course but i still play him though. The game just needs a general overhaul, there are just so many things wrong on both sides that make games unfun. You shouldn't be required to tunnel and camp to win games against good opponents and tunneling/camping in general should be more punished as a conclusion, so "toxic" killers can't abuse it after the changes (which will probably never happen).
This is a part of why I always remind myself to calm down and take a week or two off like I’m doing currently
you lost with wraith? I won like six games with him last week against some cracked survivors meanwhile came back one day this week from my break and got my ass beat playing as spirit
which makes no sense lmao
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@Wexton said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3371866#Comment_3371866
Not everybody wants to play nurse blight or spirit, maybe some people actually really like trapper. And maybe they want the posterboy of this game to be better. Blasphemy I know, but maybe, just maybe, some people don't want to learn 3 killers they don't want to play in the first place just so they can have some semblance of fun.
Yes that was the implication of my sarcasm. It clearly went over your head but we agree-I’m tired of only those killers working against good teams
I would really love to see some love for my boy trapper, and a lot of c tier killers. I really wish ghosty and Michael were better too.
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The devs don’t want anyone playing trapper. He is only intended for new players and the movie and marketing. If they wanted him played he wouldn’t be the worst killer in the game
stop complaining and do what we all do. Go learn nurse blight and spirit.
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Got tired of losing as killer so switched to survivor where winning is easy trickster had four hooks all game when last gen popped yeah REAL fair match making for him
he chases bill as I’m on the last gen. bill decides to be toxic to trickster AND me. I pop last gen and go to body block for bill and he dcs so I get hit and downed. My first hook of the match because even though this killer had a horrible game the toxic bill couldn’t even give him the one kill-not only that he got ME downed for being a good solo queue teammate
why are you survivors like this. Four hooks at five gens done and bill had to dry and dc, but only taking the tricksters only kill but nearly killing me in the process when he SAW me coming to help because he was LOOPING BY THE GEN I POPPED
trickster ends with a three escape and a dc. Yeah. Game is soooo hard for survivors right now lmao
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Why am I getting survivors who if I decide to give I name chase them loop me for 2-4 gens? Anyone who thinks this game is killer sided is just ######### at survivor
just had three matches in a row where literally impossible to win without camping someone out.
either there is no match making or all the bad survivors keep quitting instead of improving. This ######### has been so sweaty today I am actively just facecamping first hook for the rest of the day
multiple people per lobby doing ######### I only see on top tier streamer videos. Ten times my skill level
like yea openly saying beyond my skill level by a WODE margin
why am I getting these lobbies back to back where EVERY play is ten times my skill? Make it make sense
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I escape about 60-70 percent of my survivor games and can’t win a killer match. Entire thread is dog doodoo
literally no point in playing killer unless you’re some junior who is cracked from playing 20 hour a day right now.
I used to try saying it wasn’t needed but I’m camping and tunneling 100% of my games from now on this ######### is ######### stupid
even as blight and spirit like what the literal ######### I took a week off to calm down from some bad games and it’s the same #########
player base won’t be happy until it’s like Friday the 13th with fifteen players left who all know each other
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The new chapter alone added 9 perks. Half of which are garbage. If they don’t update the shrine the game will just stop attracting new players because it’s already slow becoming pay to win anyway. That’s why they updated how perks unlock at prestige last year.
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3371520#Comment_3371520
What was incorrect about what you said? Well,
"We have some pretty strict criteria before we temporarily remove content from the game and it has to be something that's considered game breaking. The map issues around Ormond and Dead Dawg Saloon were not game breaking, both killers and survivors could go up the rocks/cart, Spirit was not game breaking, the game could be played although the audio issue did affect her strength somewhat, it didn't make the game unplayable. Dredge being invisible was extreme and was something that was starting to be abused - so yes, this needed to be kill switched."
As per @Mandy about 2 comment above yours.
As though we aren’t allowed to disagree ? Just quoting a mod doesn’t make you right. I disagree with that whole thing. not insulting the mod but it’s clearly a bias that the killers who could t get up there straight up lose that match but the insist or dredge atleast still had a chance of survivors winning even if slim. No offense to Mandy, but you quoting a mod or dev is pointless. If we all agreed all the time we wouldn’t have 90% of the discussions that happen on here.
come up with your own reply don’t just quote a mod like that’s a magical panacea
Pretty gamebreaking for me when I can’t get on that mound and got held hostage for nearly 20+ minutes. Was I suppose to stop mid match to find a YouTube vid on how to get up there? I didn’t even know until this post there was a way up there while I got teabagged and the person up there kept throwing diversion
game breaking is a relative term and I disagree per that post
killer held hostage on ormond wasn’t game breaking but killer invisible during parts of the match when he already has stealth anyway isnt? Miss me with that. Map should have been killswitched.
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going to try playing again today after taking about a week off
but after what I saw at launch, I’m just going afk if I get this map as killer. It is absolutely stupid how bad this map is and I’m not wasting my time stressing over it or getting a dc penalty. Every can depip from a lack of chase or unhooks etc. I got this map once last week when it launched and not only is it so survivor sided only an idiot would say other wise, the survivors know it and were horribly toxic for no reason
they get to throw tantrums and die on hook when they aren’t getting their way but killers have to stick it out we don’t have a free-dc option.
every killer player should refuse to play this map. It’s an insult and absolutely disrespectful
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@BougieBlackChick said:
I just want killers to realize you don’t need, nor are you entitled, to 4K every match. This belief that you do is why so many survivors hate playing against certain killer styles. As someone said above, I just want a well rounded match with a good amount of BP to make it worth my time. I don’t NEED to escape to have fun in a match. I just don’t want to be tunneled out or face camped to death in 2 minutes because killers decided that they need to make the game a 3v1 immediately because they “have” to 4K. I’m also not gonna play a 45 minute match because of immediate 3 genning and refusing to chase, but instead just camping the 4 gen.
I just wants survivors to realize you don’t need, nor are you entitled to an escape every match. This belief is why so many killers hate playing against certain survivor styles. As someone said above, I just want a well rounded match with a good amount of bp to make it worth my time. I don’t NEED a 4k to have fun in a match. I just don’t want to be teabagged at the gates because I chilled or got bad matchmaking and the survivors decided they need to be toxic about it. I’m also not gonna play a 4 minute gen rush match to have them wait in the gates to teabag and taunt and refusing to leave, but instead I’ll stand in the corner so everyone depips from 0chase and 0altruism
funny how your little speech goes both ways isn’t it
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@Veinslay said:
Yeah survivors cry so much about camping and tunneling but show zero appreciation or respect to killers that don't. Anytime I play nice and multiple survivors escape, it's guaranteed teabags, emotes in the exit gate and gg ez messages
Yeah pretty much why I stopped caring. I’ve had so many games where I’m kind and avoid someone I just hooked who miss played and ended up in front of me again just to get insulted or teabagged. Not saying I intentionally tunnel or camp every game but I definitely do now the moment it’s advantageous.
in December I started trying ten matches of sue i or then ten killer. If I get in my swf and have a long all night survivor session then I do killer the next time I log on
either side I play survivors are more toxic. If I’m on survivor they die on hook or dc first down or hide for hatch
if I’m killer they teabag and emote or even hack.
worst thing I see killer is sometimes tunnel or camp. If they tunnel I just tell myself to get better at looping. If they camp I just tell my team to do gens and I stay alive in hook. Either way it’s not as common as people complain and atleast the killer does it to help get a win. The survivor toxicity is just toxic for no reason
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That map was the final nail for me as killer. Taking atleast a week off to come back and see if killer is still worth playing. Just too many nerfs back to back with survivor
red forest went from being an amazing survivor map to a better survivor map. What did killers get? Scream perk nerfs >_>
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@BigggerBrother said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3370921#Comment_3370921
I think the fog whisperers is close, but not quite what we need though. These guys don't meet together to discuss what is actually needed and come to conclusions, and it is publicly known who they are so they somewhat have to watch what they say. It can't be something public that streamers can use as a position of power.
We need some serious conversations to be had about the direction of where things are going besides just allowing them to play on the PTB. For example, the last two killers released have just created generally boring play.
BHVR needs to be talking to the fan base BEFORE they develop the new killers and it is already in programming stage.
We literally all told them here and on twitch streams and on YouTube comments that we didn’t want skull merchant to be released as designed. We keep telling them to address camping and tunneling. We keep telling them to address toxicity
the devs know exactly what the player base wants and do not acknowledge it
theres literally no point to this idea aside from good wishful thinking that won’t be fulfilled
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Has anyone considered something this simple
playing solo vs on teams affects things ?
I will as killer routinely see new players paired with pros. People get boosted.
I have a swf where I’m miles ahead of the other players. I have a separate swf where I’m the weakest link
mmr can’t work very well when people are given wins they don’t deserve, losses they don’t deserves, etc because of people playing together at differing ranks. It really boggles my mind no one is mentioning this
I had a ten escape streak a while back with a group who isn’t great but i intentionally baited the killer almost e wet game to chase me 2-4 gens. Then I log off and they are fighting cause they’re win rate dropped and they are blaming each other when frankly i boosted them
meanwhile when I play with my buddy-I’ll call him ankles cuz he breaks them- the killers he pulls in destroy me in chase in 2.3 seconds. But I know going into the game with him I’m in a boosted lobby
there are more variables than JUST the system
no I do t like sbmm and ever since Patrick said that nonsense he said and then took away dowsey a twitch shirt for critiquing him I have my doubts that the devs even like it and just doubled down due to criticism
BUT
at some point players need to take some accountability for the lobbies they go jnto as well
not to mention. I play both sides and I e seen how people play. You want to do half a gen all match and wonder why gens aren’t done, you want to let a teammate die first hook then complain you have five gens left and the killer isn’t throwing because you messed up etc
I can play killer and chase one guy and know “nope he’s gonna waste my time” then go chase a Dwight who goes down immediately and dies on hoo on purpose (happened last week before I took my break in lerys as wraith. Man’s just gave up with five gens left. Meanwhile I couldn’t catch claudette ONCE until she was last player, so have her hatch)
every time you die on purpose, throw a match, go into a swf with people at different skill levels, you are artificially changing your MMR. Take some responsibility for that
you die on hook four games in a row, you get a weaker killer who you beat, then it shoots back up rapidly and you get one you can’t beat and try to blame the game.
sbmm is bad sure but player behavior is def affecting things too
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Dredge impacts survivors so he was killswitched
ormond impacts killers so it’s fine
it’s not really surprising at this point
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So the killer that has been an issue since launch is still an issue after a new killer has been release who also has been an issue. Lovely. I e been wanting to learn knight since I spent real life currency on him and continue to feel like “wait until he’s fixed” Lol
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Depends on the game. When I make a mistake as either side I openly say to my survivor team or if a friend is watching me as killer that I made a mistake. And yes it happens a lot
but when I see a survivor (especially since the hud was added) not touch a gen all game, or in the end game with a key and the find hatch perk, or someone who clearly wants to rush the last gen and let me die first hook after I looped three gens, I blame them.
a few weeks back i intentionally ran into a basement against insidious bubba, saved a person, we both got out of shack, and I healed twice during the ensuing tunnel bubba attempted. I escaped but the person I saved got caught again and died. Meanwhile that same week I was left to die first hook multiple times. Hell we had a match where a player brought bond/left behin/key and intentionally kept bringing Freddy to us to kill us and give her hatch. So yeah blamed her that round.
Really sucks to play altruistically when others don’t. But that’s really how killers win often is survivors being selfish and letting someone die early on, then suddenly they have 3 people do do all the gens and they can’t wrap their head around it’s their own fault for not saving their teammate.
as killer I never blame survivors. If I make a mistake that’s my fault. if I miss a hit then I need to improve. If I patrol the wrong gen then I need better awareness.
But I’d I get a seal team six Squad-which has become so frequent I just quit killer until I figure out a way to derank or something- I blame match making. The devs clearly don’t care for killer experience in the game so I blame myself or the devs as killer but never the survivors who are just doing their objective.
If I get a team where all four players each have 6k hours and I have 3k split between both sides that’s the devs fault. It’s not going to be possible for me to win that even if I make zero mistakes, it’s just horrible game design.
tl;dr
as survivor I blame myself or the team but not the killer. Killer is doing their Job. I 100% believe a good team doing what they are supposed to will get a 2-3 escape almost Everytime if they just play like they are supposed to.
as killer I blame myself or the devs. Survivors are doing their jobs. Fix the damn matchmaking and the gap in power between killers.
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Lol so now killers are encourage to once again only run meta perks. And also without the long range audio perks they are encouraged to stay near survivors and use meta perks ergo camp
not really sure what else to say.
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Doesn’t matter if it’s supposed to be possible or if the op is confused
everyone said skull players would play this way so no surprise should be felt
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lucky you
i faced her and so many bad teammates I just gave up and bought Elden ring
can’t be any more stressful than the ######### ######### day of Dbd has been
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I’m not being rude friend but this is literally the conversation we’ve all been having since the reveal. Everyone knows this already. But the amount of the skull merchants tunneling and camping because of how bad she sucks -also isn’t surprising so far
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its Been made clear the killer player base is not needed for the game to continue apparently
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I might just quit playing killer this week. it’s feeling more and more like a stupid and a pointless waste of time. Only time I do killer now is if I want to farm some bloodpoints to put in a survivor. New killer I’ll get with shards if I get her and I don’t even think it’s worth that
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No. You just don’t know how legions and their addons work. I run the type of build you are talking about here. Just learn more about the various killers and their addons and powers if you want to counter them
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Ghostface marked me tonight and during the chase three gens popped. By the time the squad unhooked me another one popped. Man only had one and a half chases and lost four gens
I know I was a survivor but idk how that’s fair tbh
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@HugTheHag said:
That's so cute !!
Poor Mikey must have thought he was gonna have a long game, but the sentiment was very sweet from both of you !
A recent wholesome moment of mine was a Trickster who tried so hard to give my friend hatch, walking for 2 whole minutes on the map trying to find it, not hearing it, and eventually very depressingly hooking my friend and apologizing in chat.
The guy's name was "completely lost", which was very in character haha !
He kept swinging at the locker poor guy probably did a hundred tries on that achievement lol
I just recalled when I had a Michael game and didn’t know about it the survivors lost on purpose and messaged me to say I was toxic for doing the achievement and they’d rather lose on purpose than risk giving it to me
but I didn’t even know what it was’! I didn’t want him to deal with the same when actually doing it lol
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Yeah I used to be a killer main now I’m on survivor. It’s easier and I win with way less effort. Even solo q is better than killer now thanks to the hud. I might do one killer game now for every 29 survivor and it used to be reversed lol
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Nope. Gonna spend my shards on perks in the shrine I already own for bp. Killer looks so dumb I’d rather have the Bp >_>
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@Bwsted said:
so looping a killer for 2-5 gens, healing, double pipping etc but getting facecamped after means mmr goes down, so worse teammates and harder games
Skill can be conceptualized in different ways. The one you pick determines the gameplay you're encouraging. Yours appears to be (and mine as well) knowledge of the game and proficiency in its various aspects.
On the other hand, BHVR values 'winning'. It's a result-oriented, individually-focused, goal-by-any-means-necessary view. It boils down to only you escape (kill), no matter how you achieve that (within the ruleset). It's a minimalist, ultra simplifying approach. It's not illogical per se, but it carries consequences that you're experiencing.
The main point is that they probably chose it because it makes their life easier, but not necessarily ours.
So, while you can be a team player and do all the best plays to maximize your team's chances to escape, but not necessarily your chances specifically, you can very well be classified as less 'skilled' than someone who's super selfish and throws their teammates under the bus in order to ensure their own survival. They win more than you do. They attain the game goal more than you do. Simple as.
What this does is to lower the skill-ceiling and compress players of different abilities in a smaller pool. The god-tier looper who makes also sound macro-level decision might very well be labeled as less skilled than the immersed gens-before-friends jockey who rushes the objective and gets out with Sole Survivor in their back pocket as plan B. The cracked killer who knows the ins and outs of their power, has amazing game sense, can pull off incredible skill shots, knows all the mind games in the book and goes for chases and hooks might very well be considered as 'skilled' as the guy who runs the strongest add-ons, bloodlusts their first down and facecamp with Deadlock to force an easy 3v1 that they can cap off with a final NOED kill if need be. They kill just the same amount, hence they win the same, hence they're equally 'skilled'.
That's what the devs have chosen for their game, which is within their purview, obviously. It certainly is really disappointing, as far as I'm concerned.
This is literally why camping/ tunneling as killer and dcing in hook to get on to the next match and hiding for hatch happens though. This idea of winning=skill encourages the same behavior (no pun intended) that everyone is always angry about that being said many good points were mad, such as the long queue times and how people could pip with emblems and the other side win so match making was thrown off
anyway thankyou to the community manager was giving such a detailed answer to my admittedly over the top energy question lol
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@Emeal said:
Its simple: Even tho a player can run a killer for 2-5 gens, healing, double pipping etc but getting face camped. They wont get that every game, they will in fact perform better than the players who escaped that match you have imagined here.
Dont look at MMR in examples of one match, look at it over many matches.
When you lose in this kind of system though you get worse teammates making it harder to win every single time was my point. You loop five gens and die next game you have WORSE teammates
I had a plague match earlier where I was the only survivor in gens for THREE MINUTES and the plague had her power all game
my swf hasn’t lost to plague in probably a year.
This was stupid ######### were they hiding injured and sick in lockers for? nothing I can do when every player is feeding her the corrupt all match and not on gens
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@kingcarl2012 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3359875#Comment_3359875
The mori only counts if it comes from tombstone, ground moris do not count.
haha rip lol
then idk. Wish I had advice for op considering I had people losing on purpose to stop me from getting it and didn’t even know about it
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Idk. I try not to tunnel if I can help it
that being said people literally hide in lockers while injured
they run into me on purpose to use their bt or otr then wonder why they get chased. Well don’t use it offensively, it’s an anti tunneling perk and you just wasted it you stooge that’s YOUR fault
people on death hook choosing to body block someone I haven’t hooked yet
i just body blocked a knight who refuses to hit me so he could HARD tunnel michaela. I blocked between bushes and he literally went AROUND the loop instead of hitting me
but I also just watched someone hide in a locker sick against plague and get pulled out
sometimes it’s not tunnelingnits just trash survivors who could probably play better if they played both sides. Def helps me play both BY playing both
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My brother I’ll trade places
I’ve had so many horrible survivors that it’s made me worse at killer
my last game last night I rage quit because -and this is on me I shouldn’t have quit- I had 9 teams in a row of baby players who I was letting two out or giving last one hatch. Like terrible horrible players
last match of the night was seal team six. But I was just rusty. No good teams in idk how many days now. I need more sweat squads or I’m gonna just turn into a potato myself
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I say this as someone who plays a LOT of killer
i love flashlight users
Iwait for EVERY pickup and get free hits. Every time
I lose MORE games when they focus gens. If they are there for a flashlight they are not on a gen
and yea if you pay attention it’s easy. You can see them in the lobby they can’t see you
you have the opportunity to see who has a flashlight before the game starts and prepare to hit them and protect your down.
I routinely rail against toxic and entitled survivors but you’re flat out wrong here bud. You sound like you’re just new or not playing correctly. I get blinded so incredibly rarely I laugh and say “nice” when it happens. It takes skill to get me with those dumb flashlights. You need to relax and play more strategically my brother
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If the devs cared about tunneling it wouldn’t be in the list of things they don’t care about
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I regret buying pinhead and most of the roster. Balance is so bad that once you have a certain amount of time in the game it’s almost impossible to win without spirit/blight/nurse unless you’re a streamer tourney level player who is in for 12 hours a day
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I got it through luck sadly. I didn’t even know it was a challenge. I was just doing a Mikey game and they kept going in lockers giving me free hooks
I asked after why they kept going in lockers and they said a bunch of toxic stuff about hating killers and that “we would rather die on purpose than give a killer their challenge” . Thing is I didn’t even know it was a challenge lmao I was just playing the game
next match I kept the same build and got it just sheer luck. I don’t play for challenges so yeah idk man
if your mmr is high all I can say is good luck. I didn’t even want it and the survivors lost on purpose just to prevent me from getting it because they were THAT ridiculously entitled
if I think of something I’ll let you know.
does it HAVE to be with tombstone or does the mori offering count? If so you could take a mori. Try double hooking a few people then tombstone 2-3 and last person can be grabbed from the locker, dropped, and use the mori offering on them
if it works that way, idk