thesuicidefox

I stealth all the time, frequently walk away with gold Evader. The trick?

SPINE CHILL

This perk is absolutely necessary if you want to play stealthy because it let's you know when you are being watched. On a gen and suddenly it lights up? Killer is coming to that gen. Going for an unhook but see it lights up as you approach and doesn't go off? Killer is waiting by that hook. Trying to open a gate without being seen because NOED and Spine Chill lights up? Killer is coming to that gate. Any time you are doing something and Spine Chill procs and stays proc'd, the killer is coming to your position. If you react within the first second of it triggering you can easily just walk away from whatever and hide. It also let's you know when the killer loses you in a chase. When you are being chased it will always be lit. If it's not lit then technically the killer doesn't see you so you can just walk or crouch away. I've baited so many killers to think I'm going to run a loop, only to just simply WALK away, completely away, by keeping my eyes on Spine Chill to know I can't be seen.

It is entirely doable and I constantly stealth killers all game. It's not easy, on Game it's honestly impossible, but you can do it.

in Stealth. Viability in the current Meta Comment by thesuicidefox July 5, 2018

@lyric said:
Sorry if this is jumbled I’m doing speech text while driving.

Really? C'mon bro put the phone down and focus on the road. I've had 2 fatal school bus crashes in my state this month, you could end up killing someone.

in Camping and tunneling is a valid tactical move Comment by thesuicidefox July 5, 2018

I was thinking this the other day. But the problem with a 1v3 is that it makes camping/tunneling that much more effective and easy, when it's already quite effective and easy to begin with. You'd have to really adjust gen and hook timers to rebalance it.

in Why not make 3vs1 the standard game mode? Comment by thesuicidefox July 5, 2018

@Outland said:
in game communication, would just get ignored and people will still use discord to have private conversations. So its an absolute waste of time putting it in. I agree with the speed bump though, only hag should get increased to the same as trapper.

The point is that communication happens anyway, yet the devs pretend like it doesn't when they create perks or killer abilities. Like if you just assume that people aren't communicating, Pig's crouch seem like an AMAZING ability. But the moment you throw communication into the mix, it becomes utterly worthless most of the time. Planning for the communication could avoid pitfalls like this, Pig could have gotten a much more powerful ability if designers built it around the idea people can communicate with each other.

in delete Comment by thesuicidefox July 5, 2018

Speed boost won't solve camping because players still have no incentive to leave. In fact it just makes it easier to do, and it's already easy AF. It would just make it worse.

I do agree they should add an actual voice chat to the game, then re-balance the game around that fact. It's honestly quite silly to not include it and just assume it's not a thing when it totally is.

What the game actually needs is something to offset the ratio of survivors hooked to generators completed. If you do gens faster than the killer can get hooks, then gen progress slows down more as the discrepancy becomes greater. If the killer gets more hooks (or hook time rather) than survivors completed gens then hook progress slows down. If survivors are hooked at a reasonable pace to generators being completed, nothing changes. The ratio itself is up for debate and testing, I would say that 1 gen = 2 hooks (on different survivors). That would mean at a standard pace, every survivor is on death hook when there is 1 gen left to complete. Oh and the ratio should also effect the gates, meaning that if they finish the gen and no one died the gates take longer to open. If at least 1 person died and the gen is completed, gates open at normal speed.

This would slow down games that go too fast and give the killer opportunities to make up the time AND it would deter camping/tunneling as the superior strategy because doing that just means you end up having to wait longer and longer, to the point you are better off leaving the hook to find another victim. Gen rush and camping are punished, or at least not rewarded as heavily as they are now.

in delete Comment by thesuicidefox July 5, 2018

@Outland said:

@thesuicidefox said:

@Outland said:
The Killer has hit you once and you are hurt, and vulnerable, the other guy is hurt and has a sort of shield on him that allows him to ignore a hit. That would make the other guy the HARDER target. One more hit you are down and two more hits to down the other guy.

The only part you got right is that the guy I just saved is a less optimal target, and where you are wrong is that THE KILLER STILL GOES AFTER THEM. They should chase me, but they don't, and this is my point. This is what I talk about when killers tunnel, they ignore obvious opportunities to get more survivors but they never take them.

Maybe read my posts again because you clearly don't understand my argument.

I read your post, you should try reading it as someone who plays both sides. It is in the Killers favour to KILL someone outright , and do it quickly. Allowing 4 survivors to run around unchecked is not smart play. The only way the Killer should be chasing you is if they have "Make Your Choice" on. Otherwise its smart play to tunnel the already hooked guy. The only people it doesn't make sense to are you survivors who think that the Killer is obligated to chase and hook everyone twice before they start killing people.

dood I do not disagree with the fact camping/tunneling is the optimal strat. What I'm saying is that it is TOO EASY and gives TOO MUCH REWARD, and that is a huge problem.

If you look at any game worth playing on a competitive level (which optimal play basically is), you'd notice some things about defensive tactics. First thing is that NO ONE LIKES DEFENSIVE TACTICS. Most game communities frown on this type of play because it ruins the spirit of the game and is very frustrating to deal with. Shooting games hate campers. FGC hates turtling. No where in gaming are defensive tactics seen as good. BUT in the competitive games, players also understand that these tactics are sometimes necessary (though if you are engaging in them that's usually a sign you are losing not winning). There is also the factor of skill input versus reward output. If skill input is very low (ie. it's easy) then the reward output is usually very low. This is where most general defensive tactics in games fall, again if you are doing it that means you are probably losing. But the reward output can also be high so long as the skill input is very high. Overwatch is a good example of this when you are the team on defense, as it is generally the more difficult position to be in and only teams with high skill can successfully defend the point (or at the very least, if they can defend the point with more skill than the opponent did on defense they stand a higher chance of winning).

But in DBD a killer can camp/tunnel (which is easy) which just so happens to also be the superior strategy. Not only are you putting in very little effort you are getting a rather significant reward. Either the reward needs to be less, or the skill needs to be more.

in Every game killer tunnels one guy Comment by thesuicidefox July 5, 2018

It's pronounce "We're All Gonna Die Together".

in Rename WGLF Comment by thesuicidefox July 5, 2018

@BadMrFrosty said:
I realize that tinkerer is one of those perks that's either useless or amazing depending on the killer. That said, this rework is awful, and there is no real reason to even consider using tinkerer on any non-mobile killer. 8 seconds reduced terror radius when they're about to pop a gen? Uhhh.. ok, I guess. The notification is nice and all, but I can only see nurse/billy even thinking about using this version. Every other killer probably won't have any use for it.

It should be really powerful for 3 gen lockdown builds.

in Tinkerer Changes Comment by thesuicidefox July 5, 2018

@Outland said:
The Killer has hit you once and you are hurt, and vulnerable, the other guy is hurt and has a sort of shield on him that allows him to ignore a hit. That would make the other guy the HARDER target. One more hit you are down and two more hits to down the other guy.

The only part you got right is that the guy I just saved is a less optimal target, and where you are wrong is that THE KILLER STILL GOES AFTER THEM. They should chase me, but they don't, and this is my point. This is what I talk about when killers tunnel, they ignore obvious opportunities to get more survivors but they never take them.

Maybe read my posts again because you clearly don't understand my argument.

in Every game killer tunnels one guy Comment by thesuicidefox July 5, 2018

There is only 1 pip for rank 1 so if you ever get a depip you immediately drop to rank 2.

in Why does every show up as Rank 2 Comment by thesuicidefox July 4, 2018

I am not of fan of the way you get shards now. Yes you get a lot more each time, BUT it comes with the catch that each payout is more and more spaced out, since it takes a bit more XP to level up each time. IDK if anyone plays Gears 4, but it's similar to the earning rate in that game. There is was a HUGE problem because once you reach re-up 10, it takes FOREVER to level up just once (and you earn credits for each level you reach, just like DBD now). For comparision sake, let me point out that the XP needed to get from re-up 10 to re-up 11 is ALMOST as much as it takes to get from re-up 0 (literally a new account) to re-up 10. YES THAT'S RIGHT. The scaling made it so that eventually a single re-up takes longer than all the 10 before it. I see the same sort of problem happening here, because as you get higher and higher level (IDK if there is a prestige with player level or not) it takes longer and longer to get to the NEXT level, and thus the rate at which you get shards becomes slower and slower. To a point that it would be a serious grind for anyone who puts 1000 hours into the new leveling system to get even a single measly 150 shard payout.

Now one could argue that unlike Gears 4 there is a finite limit to items available with shards, and you don't run the risk of spending shards and not getting a new item (as you buy the item directly with the currency, in Gears 4 you have to basically use creds on loot boxes and hope you get what you want and not dupes). That means that, eventually, with enough playtime, everyone can get every customization in the game, and even though the shard earn rate gets lower, by that point you would have nothing to spend the shards on. However this only remains true if there is a finite number of items to get. If BHVR keeps adding stuff then it's going to become harder and harder to earn everything via shards, eventually reaching a tipping point where it would be impossible to get every item in a reasonable timeframe.

So to that end, I would like to request that on top of the per level shard earnings we also get shards the old way, by finishing games (and up to a max of 10). That way, once I reach level 1 billion or whatever and it takes 999 trillion XP to level up I can still earn shards, even if that means I have to play 100 games to get 1000 shards that's still do-able.

in Review Thread : 2.0.0 Update & The Curtain Call DLC Comment by thesuicidefox July 4, 2018

The old effect is completely gone, which I'm happy for because the perk is absolutely useless on most killers, and the ones it is useful it completely breaks the game and makes their power OP. Specifically Billy insta-saw and Huntress insta-hatchets are the big problems.

The new Tinkerer will actually probably be a very good all around perk. It tells you when a gen is 90% complete, or 8 seconds from completion (by 1 surv with no speed buffs). Combo this perk with Thanatophobia and 1 injured person adds 6 seconds, meaning you now get a notification 14 seconds before the gen pops. With all 4 injured this can give you a full 20 seconds to get to that gen and stop progress. If you have Dying Light active, that's a flat 16.6 seconds added for 24.6 seconds. Stacked with TP you can potentially get a notification 30 seconds before the gen is done if obs is dead and 1 surv is injured. It will be very powerful.

in Tinkerer Changes Comment by thesuicidefox July 4, 2018

I have an X. When I switched from my original console to the X I noticed a huge improvement to the game, however it is important to note my original Xbox was an ORIGINAL v1 (not launch day but next batch). The power brick and hard drives were failing, so I had issues with other games too.

Since 2.0.0 it is better but not noticeably. Huntress throws don't hitch the game as much as I remember (though playing on the X resolved this a lot too). Playing as survivor on some maps I do notice an improved framerate especially when the fog is thick. The game still hitches when notifications/UI pop up on the screen or when something happens like a gen pops or someone gets hooked. Not huge but I can still see the frame drop even if it's slight.

IMO BHVR still have a long way to go to optimize the game for console. UI is the biggest culprit in frame drops, because every time a status effect or hex or perk effect UI shows up on the screen the game hitches quite noticeably. And they keep adding more screen clutter each patch it's only gotten worse.

And I have a friend with a standard Xbox that plays Nurse say he noticed the game ran much smoother and his blinks don't jitter as much. I don't play Nurse so I can't comment. I do play Huntress and she feels better than before.

in Xbox players! Comment by thesuicidefox July 4, 2018

@Shipthebread said:

@Mc_Harty said:
@Shipthebread outta curiosity, has Marth really taken this lost that hard?

Haven't watch his streams in a while so I'm outta of the loop.

I wouldn't say so, but he clearly has been bitter and resentful and acting like he has been wronged. Which to me shows poor sportsmanship, if you ever played sports in your life, you know sometimes calls don't go your way and things happen but you need to get up wipe the dirt off and move ahead, what happened has happened. To keep talking about it etc.. I find it's in poor taste.

He got all defensive when I told him that he ######### up by not letting the ref enforce the hatch standoff rule. Then he tries to give me every BS excuse in the book for why he lost. I ran tournaments for almost 10 years. You can't pull a fast one on me. He made a very amateur mistake, one that no professional gamer would EVER make, and he got all pissy when I told him that.

I'm going to put this next part in bold so anyone reading that has never been in a video game tournament understands:

If a stalemate situation exists in the game, and there is a rule regarding such a situation, when the stalemate occurs YOU DO NOTHING. You sit there and wait for the ref to make a ruling. YOU DO NOT DO WHAT MARTH DID AND ASSUME THAT THE GAME IS OVER AND THE RULE WILL GIVE YOU THE WIN. Even if you are right, that is not your call to make.

You are a player, not a ref. I've seen people lose in almost the exact same way as Marth many many times. Why do they lose? Because they don't let the ref make the call. They keep playing, and in real video game tournaments that's seen as a live action. In baseball, the pitcher doesn't get to call his own strikes. EVEN IF IT IS CLEARLY 100% NO DOUBT A ######### STRIKE, only the ref can actually call it a strike.

Marth doesn't want to own up to the fact he made the most nooby mistake people make in eSports, and that's self-officiating. It doesn't matter what the rule says, if he continued playing before the refs made a call that's means anything that happens is a result.

in Rest In Peace The Depip Squad Comment by thesuicidefox July 4, 2018

IMO Insidious is a cancer perk because most if not all killers will use it to sit by a hook. It encourages ######### playstyles.

Also no good survivor falls for Insidious. Every killer makes a distinct breathing noise and there are no actual good hiding spots where you can't be seen from a different angle. I mean if I can tell a Wraith is standing somewhere invisible, or if I can hear the Pig walking around crouched, what chance do you think any other killer has of being stealthy?

in How do you use insidious? What scenarios have you used this perk in to trick survivors? Comment by thesuicidefox July 4, 2018

@MagV3 said:
Lol... If a killer doesn't play that way then he losses pretty hard. You say you play killer, yet it doesn't sound like it. Every game is stressful to the max, meanwhile as survivor you're like, yea whatever I'm going to chill. The game for killers is literally heartbeat pumping 90% towards the limit, with every second ticking down and you feeling the momentum slip away. Its a stressful role and the tunnel has to happen or you lose your momentum and then you get bullied by the nonsense. You want the killer to give you each 3 hooks which is 12 lives or 16 if you include DS... Yea wonder if they'd ever win.

I do play plenty killer. In fact up until last month I was a Freddy main, and I've been as high as rank 7 killer. I KNOW how annoying the game can be for killers. And guess what? I still don't tunnel or camp hooks. I leave to find another survivor. I take the risk. Sometimes it pays off, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes I get kills, sometimes I don't. And with emblems being easy AF to earn as killer, I've had many games where I pip without actually killing anyone (just like I can pip as survivor even if I die).

Killers have no excuse to tunnel except that they are bad and cannot get pips/kills any other way. The game being frustrating is no reason to play like complete ass because you are desperate. And playing Freddy is absolutely frustrating, especially when the gates are opened and you hook someone knowing they will just get immediately unhooked and will probably make it out the door before you can get them again. That sucks, but I don't deserve the kills because I played poorly and made a lot of mistakes. I can accept that.

Not to mention, if you look at GOOD killers like Marth and True they consistently will body 4 man SWF teams without camping or tunneling. They do what you are supposed to do as killer; keep survivors busy with map pressure. They don't just take the easy way (which True himself says it is, go watch the video) because they aren't scrub killers.

@Brenon1106 said:
Hope you don't mind my exception. But Freddy is basically required to tunnel because of his low defensive abilities. For any other killer, just do gens you will be able to do 4 gens within the time your teammate dies assuming 3 survivors r on gens and the teammate struggles but doesn't attempt.

Like I said above I play Freddy, I know the plight. The fact he has "low defensive abilities" means he actually SHOULD NOT tunnel/camp. I only ever tunnel/camp if I use Dying Light, and sometimes Remember Me if I find the obsession late in the game. Otherwise I hook someone, look at my BBQ and go away from the hook, because you can't defend it. I see Freddy's tunnel all the time and they end up losing because it's not actually the best way to play him. You have to know how to juggle multiple survivors in DW as Freddy to be most effective. You have to know how to move around the map to not give away you exact location (that means walking in the empty rows between corn if/when possible).

in Every game killer tunnels one guy Comment by thesuicidefox July 4, 2018

Hindered is a universal status effect. It slows you down to 85%, and his add-on adds another 5%. It's the same as Hindered from anything else, except it's built into his power.

in The Clown isn’t actually very good? Comment by thesuicidefox July 4, 2018

Only thing Pig needs is for the roar to be moved towards the startup animation of the lunge and not occur during the channelling. Also Huntresss Lullaby should affect boxes. Outside of that she is a good killer, the devs just need to fix looping.

in Pig Buffs Comment by thesuicidefox July 4, 2018

@marshmallowking said:
Ok. I think I see a clearer picture of your argument, you want what you define as skill (something that is in fact a personal idea as to what skill is) and you want everyone to play in a way you prescribe and they better have fun because you have removed all aspects of the game that would be tilting (I hope that extends into auto aim and frame rates because those things personally tilt me more then game mechanics that have pre existing game mechanic counters). If this is incorrect please define more clearly so that the discussion can be more productive then us talking about things the other has not talked about.

This is where you are wrong. You can quantify skill. You can compare the amount of skill needed to achieve A to the skill needed to achieve B. If A takes more skill than B but B is more effective/rewarding, then more people will do B and be labeled as better than players that do A by the game.

If a character in a fighting game had a move that could take down your entire life bar, would you define it as skill that they could do a single fireball input and win? Even if it can be beaten by picking another character or playing in a very specific way, and that choice does not even consistently work? That's basically what this is.

Look you can pretend camping/tunneling takes skill all you want but the fact is it doesn't. Anyone can chase 1 person and eventually catch them if they were that determined. As far as counter strategies, the only option you have when a killer does this is do gens. That's it, and it actually does nothing to stop the guy from dying so you still lose the benevolence points. If even 1 other survivor takes the bait, or even just gets caught late game, you simply will not pip unless you did 3 gens by yourself. Killers are abusing this, forcing players to safety or depip by preventing them from making saves.

The only possible reason I can see players defending this is that they use it themselves and cannot get a kill otherwise. You defend it because you know it's easy and effective and you don't want that to go away. No one ever wants their character nerfed in Overwatch but guess what, the character has some broken mechanics that allow for easy and effective tactics. DBD needs the devs to actually address camping/tunneling, and then looping/SWF on survivors side. I don't know exactly how they can do it, but I am saying they just need to find a way to make it not so rewarding to do, however that comes about. It can stay an easy tactic, easy tactics are a thing in games, it just shouldn't also be the most effective because that combo is a problem.

in Every game killer tunnels one guy Comment by thesuicidefox July 4, 2018

@Tsukirose31 said:
A few times I played killer I had survivors messaging me doing the same thing. I consider it cheating so I told them no. There's nothing really that can be done on game side for this. You just have to hope the killer you're up against doesn't want to win the game through cheats.

Yea I've joined rooms and then got a message from the killer that just says "farm". I just leave and find another room. I also get party invites from other survivors, which I usually ignore. Funny part is the one that sent the inv almost always gets caught and hook first 30 seconds of the game.

in Looking for opinions from both Killers and Survivors Comment by thesuicidefox July 3, 2018

@holywhitetrash said:
tunneling and camping arent the same thing
camping is when the killer never leaves the person on the hook which is also not the same as looking for the survivors the killer knows are near the hook.

if a survivor is getting camped and the other survivors decide to "save them" instead of doing gens then it is their fault that the killer got rewarded. if the survivors just do the gens and leave that guy to die the killer will probably depip

tunneling is when the killer is given more than one option to chase he always goes with the people who have been hooked, because dead players cant do gens

if a killer puts someone on the hook does his patrol and comes back to the hook in time to find you unhooking a survivor then it only makes sense to down the person who only has 2 hooks at most left

you wouldn't get mad at CS player for AWPing some dude in the first 30 seconds, dont get mad at the KILLER for removing an opposing player from the game

They fall into the same category as "easy to do and highly rewarding", which by the way no one seems to be refuting (especially after I posted a video of TrueTalent saying exactly that). Camping is obviously a defensive tactic, but so is tunneling in that you aren't expanding your influence of the game as much as you are trying to preserve what you already have. You explain these things to me like I don't know what I'm talking about. Dude read some of my other posts. If you, as killer, go away and just happen to come back to see the guy that just unhooked, yea bad luck. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about a killer hooking someone, and either refusing to leave or leaving only to ALWAYS immediately come back for that guy. It is very clear when events play out naturally and the dude just has bad luck (or makes dumb mistakes, eg. runs to the killer after the unhook) and when a killer if clearly camping/tunneling.

in Every game killer tunnels one guy Comment by thesuicidefox July 3, 2018

On Xbox I just block the person (which decreases the chance you run into them again, not guaranteed though), report them through Xbox for cheating or unsporting (leaving a note to explain they were helping the other team win), then report them through the like/dislike button in DBD's endgame screen as a farmer.

Then when I join a lobby I check everyone's profile. If I have you blocked already I leave the room and find another. Doesn't really help to stop playing against toxic killers since you can't see them until the end, but that's the best you can do. If you are on PS4 though IDK what report options you have.

Only thing I will say is DO NOT MESSAGE THESE PEOPLE. At least not on Xbox because they can report you for communications. Just block/report and move on.

in Looking for opinions from both Killers and Survivors Comment by thesuicidefox July 3, 2018

@marshmallowking said:
I saw that, which is why this thread is so silly to me (entertaining but...)

As far as I can tell op is advocating for no gameplay that is not what they consider to be skilled game play, something I believe to be subjective and only based on a personal emotional response.

The quantifiable way of winning is either through pips or through killing in the eyes of a large majority of the killer base. that’s what he wants changed based on a personal preference how “fun” is measured for them.

Any repetitive action or circumstance is boring and less “fun” eventually even any viable changes this thread could come up with would end up stale. These changes would most likely come from nerfs in the meta and buffs in the non meta (something that is already happening like it or not) or a complete overhaul to the game mechanics as a whole. A new mode of gameplay wouldn’t even solve this issue but I advocate for this option (never know when a not so interesting defense building FPS will blow up into a immensely successful BR with building)

i think both both of our points @Zanfer is that the arguement itself is invalid because it’s unquantifiable, intangible and inconsistent.

You can totally quantify fun. It's called a Likert scale and is used in actual game research. It's been done, just look it up. But you don't even need that for this game really all you need to do is look at the comments after games, or on the forums, or on YT, or on your Steam profile. If people are didn't have fun there is a high chance they will be toxic. Then that attitude carries over to the next game and the next. After a while even games that would have been fun won't be because you are so tilted. And this toxicity grows because of the amount of bullshit each side can do to the other. Take that BS away and people would have less reason to be toxic, which invariably means that people are having more fun with the game. Granted there will be some people that are toxic anyway, but the point here is to reduce the instances of the game itself causing the toxicity. No survivor likes camping and tunneling. No killer likes looping and SWF flashlight abusers. Why you guys fight to keep this garbage is beyond me.

As far as skill you can also quantify that very easily. How fast does the killer catch you? How much map pressure do they apply? Do they keep you all engaged in something other than gen repair? When a killer can just put the first person on a hook and wait, even if the other survivors rush, that killer got a kill with little to no skill. It's honestly not hard to catch 1 person in an entire game. Chase them long enough, without them actually getting away, and you will catch them eventually. Winning itself does not equal skill when you use tactics that are outright easy and highly rewarding. IDK if you are aware of Akuma in the old SF series, but when he originally appeared as a playable character he was so far and above every other character in the game he ended up being banned at tournaments. Pick Akuma and you win, does that mean it takes skill to play him? Not really because he wins by using very easy and highly rewarding tactics. Chasing 1 person and sitting by the hook to kill them takes no skill, or at the very least significantly less skill than chasing/hooking multiple survivors, yet the game rewards the former more than the latter. You can't deny that.

The fact people like you are so ready to accept this kind of nonsense as acceptable behavior is part of the reason it still exists. People like you defending it as if it should be a valid tactic, when all it does is promote toxicity while letting less skilled players get more wins/pips that they rightfully should. Camping/tunneling does not belong in the game, period. You should not be rewarded as killer for these tactics, at least not so much that it supersedes the need to go out and actually do something to earn your rank.

No game worth it's salt as an eSport allows defensive strategies to be superior to offensive ones, because defensive strats are not only much easier to do but ruin the spirit of the game in the process. It's why FPS players hate campers, and why FGC hates turtling, because play defensively is a very easy thing to do and playing against it is a chore, not entertainment. Really go find me any legit eSport game where the superior tactics are defensive. You won't because those games nerfed those tactics so they aren't viable (at least not as a primary strategy). If you get put into a defensive position in any serious competitive game that's usually a sign that you are losing, not winning.

in Every game killer tunnels one guy Comment by thesuicidefox July 3, 2018

@Zanfer said:
This topic in this thread is about someone not having fun in dbd cause killers tunnel. You can't really do anything against a killer who wants someone dead cause they will do anything to an extent to kill. Even though like you said that it is not the best tatic to use, not everyone who plays this game is an optimal player and there is no way around it. What you are talking about are things that are deep woven into the game and no reason to complain about them unless you just don't like the game.

Bullshit. Killers do not need to camp/tunnel to get kills, just like survivors don't need looping to escape a chase. You can play this game without doing either and be successful. The problem is the game heavily rewards this nonsense, to the point that it becomes the superior strategy and thus most players end up doing it because it works better (along with being easy, it's quite obvious why these are problems). The mechanics can be fixed and the rewards adjusted so that they are no longer optimal, thus requiring players to have SKILL in order to succeed.

BVHR seems more concerned with minor band-aid changes instead of actually addressing the core issues of the game.

in Every game killer tunnels one guy Comment by thesuicidefox July 3, 2018

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8Fa6XdNEV8

Straight from the horse's mouth. True says himself that camping is "easy mode". A lot of killer mains seem to be under the impression I don't know what the killer is doing. I do. He is playing more optimally with less risk. What I am saying is that you should not reward killers that play like this and ONLY like this, because it promotes unhealthy gameplay, and is outright abuse of game mechanics. And in case you missed before, YES, looping is also abuse of game mechanics and should be fixed.

None of this type of bull ######### should be acceptable in the game.

This is also why I respect True as a killer. Besides being pretty damn good he doesn't resort to easy tactics straight off the bat. If pushed to it, by a toxic survivor or SWF, or just a bad game, yes he does it and I don't fault him. But he also takes a LOT more risk than most killers would ever take and still comes out on top because he's actually a good killer. He takes those chances because they pay off. These players that do nothing but camp/tunnel do none of that. They just follow a formula that's almost guaranteed to benefit them. No skill involved here.

in Every game killer tunnels one guy Comment by thesuicidefox July 3, 2018

@Brady said:
Hold on, are Killers really calling tunneling a valid tactic then going on about how pallet looping takes no skill?

Let us spill the tea folks.

I would like a lengthy explanation on how skill is provided from wacking an injured survivor unhooked less than 12m away from you. From my experience play as a Killer, unless the survivor is hooked right infront of you, there's is no reason to chase them back down again and ignoring every single survivor in your path just to kill off one. Many of skillful Killers I've played against optimize switching targets and usually down and hook them, causing more of a stop to the progression of the game. Not to mention, multiple hooks on multiple survivors scream skill more than multiple hooks on only one survivor or vice versa (Multiple survivors hooked once).

"But... they are the easier target. Why wouldn't I go after them?" Here's your answer: Assuming they have Self Care, that is time that a generator is not being worked on. Time that if you're skilled enough, they get on a generator and the other survivor should about to be hooked. And the process should continue on.

Why do you all whine victim? It's established that tunneling, camping, and looping are all effortless tactics. The worst part is you ALL defend them and whine about them at the same time. Both parties want easy games and you guys are getting selfish, rude, and greedy about it. 4 BNPs = No skill, Tunneling an injured survivor = poor skill, looping around 5 pallets after another = less skill. Stop defending these poor tactics because they have great results.

And Survivors are really guilty for it, but it's more present with Killers of the fact that you guys complain about survivors tactics and abilities and go on to defend your effortless ones. You guys attack people who are 50/50 Survivor and Killer, and this entire forum is just complaining about complaining about the people complaining.

Thank you for this post. This is the kind of reasoning we need around here. I agree too that looping is a problem! Wow, a survivor main agrees looping is bad?! Yes it's dumb and doesn't take skill to run in a circle. Know what takes skill as a survivor. Actually escaping a chase. Not just running from window to window to pallet to pallet. Now I'm not saying I don't run to windows and pallets as survivor, I totally do. Just that once I throw the pallet or hop the window I'm looking to escape the chase, not keep the loop going.

in Every game killer tunnels one guy Comment by thesuicidefox July 3, 2018

@Lowbei said:
stop crying

LOL no you don't get to tell me how to be a forumer. Maybe you should just stop reading.

PS. If you think that argument sounds dumb, that's basically how your argument looks to me

in Every game killer tunnels one guy Comment by thesuicidefox July 3, 2018

@Zanfer said:

@thesuicidefox said:

@Orion said:
So don't save the guy. Not every Survivor is going to live every game, and the Killer is supposed to be able to stop you from unhooking.

It is every game though. That's what you don't get, EVERY GAME I have to just let someone die on the hook. If the guy ends up dying by the end of the trial I don't care. I've left survivors to bleed out for 2 minutes so I can take the hatch. I get this part of the game. What I'm saying is that killers should not be able to just get easy kills because they don't have enough brains cells to rub together to actually get some skill in the game.

So you say you have to let the survivor die when you want to save them which is a bummer to you. Than you say right after that you don't care that they die at the end? That kind of goes against what you have been saying. (I'm not referring to your whole "everyone has to have fun argument that you have been talking about..") Not everyone will live like @Orion has said multiple times.

Also since you keep referring to this "everyone should be having fun", how are you measuring levels of fun times? Do you ask every single person in your matches "Have you been having fun game" If you aren't than clearly you are assuming that these players are not having a fun time. If you are not having a good time than don't spread negativity in this way cause it doesn't make any sense.. @Lowbei @RemoveSWF @Orion @EpicFailTryHard

I don't want the survivor to die because that means it will be a really ######### game. It means I'm going to have probably let someone else die too, and it means I'll be racing the other survivors to do gens. It means if I make a single mistake against the killer I'm dead. I don't care if they die if it was a good game and I have a chance to escape. I do care if they die and then the rest of the game is just a chore because I'm literally just doing skill checks for the next 3 minutes until I can escape. There is just nothing fun about playing against this very common and rather easy tactic. Death, escape, pip, no pip, he dies, you die, I die. I want a good game that doesn't feel like something I'm just stuck dealing with for the next X minutes until I escape or die.

in Every game killer tunnels one guy Comment by thesuicidefox July 3, 2018

@Orion said:
So don't save the guy. Not every Survivor is going to live every game, and the Killer is supposed to be able to stop you from unhooking.

It is every game though. That's what you don't get, EVERY GAME I have to just let someone die on the hook. If the guy ends up dying by the end of the trial I don't care. I've left survivors to bleed out for 2 minutes so I can take the hatch. I get this part of the game. What I'm saying is that killers should not be able to just get easy kills because they don't have enough brains cells to rub together to actually get some skill in the game.