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You say this like killers don't tunnel on midwich and coal tower. I'm not saying they shouldn't make red forest smaller but acting like tunneling will vanish if they shrink the maps is just ignorant. Tunneling will always happen because it will never not be the easiest way to win.
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I gravitate towards m1 killers just because it let's me enjoy more characters, I feel like m2 killers you gotta learn and put a ton of time into mastering to do well with and then keep playing them so you don't get rusty.
There's no m2 killer I enjoy enough to really do that with when I can go from Clown to Wraith to Dredge to Cenobite without too much trouble and enjoy that variety.
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Bro really said I worked real hard playing a video game and completing a rift you can finish just by playing the game on a remotely consistent basis.
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I refuse to play Clown without Brutal Strength it's kind of a problem.
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I refuse to play Clown without Brutal Strength it's kind of a problem.
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Yes this is the first killer I plan on getting p100 on.
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For Survivors I would get rid of Feng cuz then maybe other characters could actually get cosmetics.
For killer I would get rid of Blight cuz I find them boring and never having to deal with compound 33 again would be awesome.
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Yeah although I don't know these changes do much to change her place in the tier list rather than just be QoL changes that make her feel better to play.
I woulda put her top of C before and I'd still put her there as of right now.
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Yeah it was a niche perk that could have been alright but got changed cuz all the people that don't understand game design chirped loud enough and now we got another trash perk instead.
Awesome.
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I won't but I didn't like using it before anyway and anyone that thinks it's bad now literally can't do math.
Assuming you get at least two gens every time that's 18 seconds of regression minimum. Old Pop was 20 seconds and you can get more Eruptions over the course of the game than you can Pops.
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That just looks like gender swapped corpse husband lmao.
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@RainehDaze said:
What have they changed, seeing as I have no clue where this set of changes was put (it's not in PTB feedback, general news, or the actual news articles, so where am I supposed to be looking? The surface of the moon?)
Check Twitter.
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I feel like if anything they tried to buff her for chase and made her way worse at 3 genning. Being able to always hack drones after 10 seconds claw trap or no nerfs her 3 gen game by a ton.
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I don't know why we're celebrating the continuation of kicking gens constantly like a bot meta but okay.
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Any time I would run lightborn I would just use Franklin's instead. Why just say no when you can take the toy away instead and have them rage over it? Seriously the number of people that flame in postgame chat over Franklin's even if they escape is hilarious.
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You know how everyone hated on Skull Merchant during the PTB for being a territorial killer that was good at 3 genning? Yeah Hag was the Original. Playing defensively and dragging out games is not something most people like.
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In theory it works but in practice it shouldn't do anything meaningful as if they get hit twice in the 12 seconds after the heal something went massively wrong.
I guess the 12 seconds of speed gets them to a gen faster? But then we're only talking about saving 2-3 seconds on gens if you're lucky.
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Pinhead has way better perks if that's a thing you care about. Otherwise it's just preference as they're both strong killers.
Do you want to slow down games to a crawl and have a mechanic to care about other than gens to manage? Pinhead
Do you just wanna be ultra aggressive and go zoom? Wesker
Or put another way if you want strong 4v1 choose Pinhead if you want strong 1v1 choose Wesker.
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At this point I feel like it's safe to assume you struggle against every single killer. Also that's not how Slinger works the spear can't actually down anyone, Slinger has to reel you in then let go and then has the ability to m1 you it's not all part of one action.
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I'm really torn on DH, I don't think DH is broken in any way it just creates a boring gameplay loop and it gets repetitive seeing 3-4 DHs every game. That being said the games where nobody brings DH are so easy for me I get why everyone brings it. Ultimately I feel like the fix for DH is for BHVR to make exhaustion perks that are just as good as DH but less annoying to play against but I don't know how you do that, Background Player isn't it and Blood Rush is interesting in that it pushes people to SB but idk if that's gonna be enough.
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I see Dwight, Ace, and Claudette as p100 the most. I haven't leveled survivors much, the highest anyone is is Yun-Jin at p11 but there's nobody I really wanna p100, maaaaaybe Thalita when she comes out.
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I mean I feel like Trickster was received almost as poorly with a ton if "this doesn't belong in DBD" threads. But the game survived and we got Resident Evil right after so you know this one may not have been for you but anniversary is usually more universally well received last few have been Dredge, Nemesis, Executioner and Ghost Face so usually doesn't disappoint.
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We'll see, I had some suspicion of this after overzealous was listed as part of the mass perk change before roots of dread was even out. But we know what changes are supposed to be coming so if there's nothing besides what we've seen we'll more or less have confirmation the ptb is only for marketing purposes.
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I mean what we got is more in line with what DBD usually goes for but I like the ptb version much more as it's more more unsettling. DBD tries too hard to be intense with it's music sometimes and it's to it's detriment, having something be disturbing and weird can make for good chase music as well.
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It's less that Iron Will is bad and more that there's not really any reason to use it over Off the Record, yes it has the condition of being hooked first but it's 80 seconds afterword which is a long time and gives you the full 100% and you can use exhaustion perks with it.
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It's highly subjective but if you consider all add-ons you get weird results like A tier Myers and Clown and obviously nobody thinks either of those killers are A tier. But at the same time pretending add-ons don't exist is silly when they're a part of a killer.
I personally average it out and only consider everything up to greens ignoring purples and reds since that's when you get to you're almost playing a different killer territory where as browns to greens are base stat buffs usually.
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When I first started playing and didn't know what I was doing I loved looting builds and turning basement into my own personal shop.
Since I guess around MMR being a thing I've played more seriously and just sit on gens nonstop every game since I don't mind and most people don't like doing gens.
I kinda miss my looting build thinking about it though back when it was actually night on coldwind and nobody really took the game seriously and there wasn't really a meta. Now I feel like I'd get flamed for it lmao.
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Considering the music is how a lot of survivors identify the killer early on I don't think it's a good idea.
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Garden of Joy for me, too big the house is a nightmare and the other side has a bunch of badly constructed jungle gyms that connect either to shack or a loop in the street that you can use to get to the house it just fits together too well for survivors so there's no part of the map that's unsafe.
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I think Bloodrush is fine it's extremely conditional so I don't see the issue with it. Fun idea if you're scared you're going to be tunneled with it before you can heal bring second wind and heal mid chase activate BR and keep zooming. That's 2 autoheals and 2 SBs in one chase.
If it encourages people to bring SB instead of DH since it doesn't work with as well DH I consider that a huge win.
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I'd rather not acknowledge Corey's existence tbh. I don't hate what they were trying to do in Halloween Ends I just think it was poorly done considering it was supposed to be Myers send of movie they were barely in it. I'm all for more Halloween content though especially if they say add Loomis.
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@HugTechLover said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3350010#Comment_3350010
Umm… we aren’t talking about the earth being flat? That’s not even a comparison. We’re talking about DBD… where the direction of the game most of the time goes off what the majority is calling for. 😅
Where have I said you aren’t allowed to like the killer or chapter? Please point out where I directly said that and I’ll apologize. Instead, you came at me saying I’m just crying and throwing a fit because I’m expressing MYYYYY opinion over this chapter, which I think is terrible. How is she not like the knight?? She denies a loop by dropping a drone, just as knight denies a loop by dropping a guard… She protects a 3 gens by keeping a drone over the gens…. Just as knight protects a 3 gen by placing guards on the gens… BOTH of their powers strongly encourage holding W. So please tell me how they are not strongly related in application.
Her animations are copied and pasted. She’s kicks pallets and gens the same way all the other basic killers do despite there being so many unique animations they could have done with a character like that. Her mori is quite literally freddy’s with a drone doing a useless scan.
My biggest issue is she’s another M1 killer with a skill-less power. There’s no skill ceiling to her at all. I put 1300 hours into blight to become how good I am with him. I learned so many things about his power and how to counter certain loops and movements.. I could put 1300 hours into SM and learn what? Maybe better spots to place drones? C’mon dawg…..
I won’t even get into the survivors and their perks. Let alone the killer’s perks.
My point is being in the majority does not automatically make you right. The majority of people thought Twins was terrible on PTB but then they turned out to be A tier and got nerfed several times.
You directly haven't said we're not allowed to like the chapter that's I've seen but don't pretend there haven't been dozens of posts and threads calling for the chapter to be delayed or just not come out at all. Just because you can 3 gen with the killer doesn't mean that's the only thing you can do with her, every killer can 3 gen so that doesn't say much. Like everything you said can be applied to Artist for example when you can drop a crow and make them hold W and you can then crows and gens and force a 3 gen does that make Artist and SM the same killer?
But more to the point you can be very very aggressive with SM's power if you go to the survivors and setup where they are instead of trying to setup a 3 gen you can create a ton of pressure and between chasing and keeping drones up you're always doing something. Watch OnePumpWillie on Twitch or Bazazell on YouTube and you can see the potential of the killer, that right there shows there is a ton of things to learn about the killer that isn't obvious. There's a difference between a killer being not requiring skill and having and requiring skills you're not interested in learning.
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@HugTechLover said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3349973#Comment_3349973
Being in the majority means everything. Lmao.
Who’s crying?😂 Because I don’t like the killer and I think it’s a garbage release? That’s me crying? No, that’s my thoughts, along with majority of the forum’s thoughts. Chapter is cheeks, and that’s my opinion that’s I’m entitled to. You’re entitled to yours as well.
Agree to disagree.
That's a very weird statement. Why? Majority of people thought the earth was flat that didn't make them right so ??? very odd statement.
You're allowed to not like the killer, I didn't like wesker when they released different killers appeal to different people and that's okay. The problem is when there are people that like the killer and those of us that like the chapter are basically being told we're not allowed and you have to join the chorus and say the chapter sucks. It's nonsense especially when it's being done by people that clearly don't understand the killer and keep making erroneous comparisons to knight. You actually don't have to 3 gen with this killer but that's what everyone's mind goes to because that's what is easiest and things never evolve beyond that because people play the killer for 2 games and decided they knew everything about them.
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@HugTechLover said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3349961#Comment_3349961
I could care less if YOU take me serious. I stand with the majority. Major majority at that. You sir, are in the minority.
- Being with the majority doesn't mean anything.
- I wasn't talking about me, BHVR has no reason to take you seriously. They put up the PTB and your reaction is to cross your arms in the corner and cry rather than provide any constructive feedback.
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@HugTechLover said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3349925#Comment_3349925
No need to give balancing suggestions for a killer not wanted in the first place. She’s a knight 2.0, only worse in chase and better at 3 gens. So boring.
So basically no need to take you seriously.
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@HugTechLover said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3349899#Comment_3349899
Crazy, cause the vast majority of the forums seem to agree. Hardly ANYBODY is happy with this chapter, majority because of the killer’s weak power.
Except it's the PTB and instead of providing balancing suggestions everyone is just throwing tantrums like children.
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@illNicola said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3349734#Comment_3349734
Your point 2) is sad. Really. If she was at least A tier I would love her, but the problem is that she hasn't value and an m1 at high mmr can't do anything. We will see if devs understand this and make her stronger
Well hope she gets the needed buffs before live then because good news the potential for it is there just her numbers are pathetically bad right now.
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@Emeal said:
@illNicola I can only recommend you watch some OnePumpWillie, he is playing her on PTB https://www.twitch.tv/onepumpwillie
You can learn a lot from watching him play. He seems to be the only Killer who say down and figured out how to do with her.
One thing I learned from him was long range drone reactivation, which can have some strong value when played right.
1. Of course Willie figured out a killer everyone else wrote off in two seconds lol. I'll have to check this out, thanks for linking.
2. I hate to say this but 90% of the community isn't arguing in good faith when it comes to this chapter. The second it wasn't a robot there was nothing redeeming about the chapter in thier minds so unfortunately the killer could be A tier (They aren't but they're much better than everyone is saying) but because it's not a robot chase killer everyone would hate it anyway.
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@KingDeathly said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3349424#Comment_3349424
kinda just sounds like your mad cause your in the extreme minority thinking this is some great chapter, when everyone else is telling you otherwise, but its ok stay in fairy tale land :D
I mean and I've said this before I'm annoyed because those of us that like trap killers finally got a new trap killer to play with for the first time in 7 years and and it's been nonstop bitching from the community ever since. I understand most people don't like Hag either she has the 2nd lowest pick rate in the game and Trapper's pick rate is only high because he's free and the face of the game otherwise they would be lower as well but the problem comes from we get our 3rd trap killer ever and if the community had their way the chapter just wouldn't come out and I just wish the community was more mature and just accepted the chapter isn't for them.
Nobody is making you play this killer. If you wanna play a good chase killer you have Blight, Wesker, Nurse, Oni, Sprit, Executioner, Bubba, Etc. If trap players wanna play a good killer they have Hag and that's it so excuse me if I don't really care about everyone crying that for once we didn't get yet another chase killer and those of us that enjoy alternative playstyles were catered to for the first time in 7 years.
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@kill4escape4win said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3349424#Comment_3349424
by plenty you mean 1 in every 20 players?
I mean sure but with a playerbase as large as DBD's that's still thousands of people.
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@KingDeathly said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3349417#Comment_3349417
"plenty of other people see the potential" I believe the rest of human kind falls within the catagory of "other people" lol
Except plenty of people like the chapter. This is just willful ignorance on your part.
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@KingDeathly said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3349307#Comment_3349307
No we don't. We really don't. It's trash like everyone says. Hot garbage.
Why on earth did you think I was talking to you?
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@kill4escape4win said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3349253#Comment_3349253
not saying they cannot, simply saying for what they are giving us they don't deserve white knights
What part of "do not sell" this did I misunderstand in your original post? The chapter isn't for you and that's okay plenty of other people see the potential do like it.
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@kill4escape4win said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3349238#Comment_3349238
how about not going "don't buy if you don't like it" and go "they offer us trash how dare they?" we have the right to complain about it without getting it.
And people that like the chapter are allowed to want it without being told they shouldn't be allowed to buy it.
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@VoidOfMe said:
Oh no, you touched wesker's name, RE fans will riot in this thread
someone made the mistake of doing it in twitter and the guy went missing
but for real now, aside from the (maybe worst mori ever) the killer is fine, but for the community suddenly BHV doesn't care about the players cause of this chapter lol
I mean I made the thread knowing it wasn't going to make me popular lol. I just don't want the first setup killer we've gotten since hag to lose their identity from now to live just because trap killers only appeal to a few of us. SM just needs number buffs and a few less visual handhold queues for survivors and they're completely fine.
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@HugTechLover said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3348531#Comment_3348531
What’s your beef with wesker and blight? Lmao
She’s just a boring killer. No skill to learn with her power at all. She’s feels like a mechanical knight. Copied and pasted animations and mori.
I don't hate wesker or blight per se but I've played blight like 3 times since release and wesker remains the only killer I have never bought. I just find them incredibly boring and I don't understand why they get put up on this pedestal like they're the best killers ever designed.
I don't agree there's no skill with her power there's no mechanical skill sure but other types of skills exist but she rewards planning and game sense and that's what I love. The comparison I'd make is like in overwatch where everyone says a character like winston takes no skill cuz they autoaim when most people couldn't get out of gold with him because they haven't developed game sense enough to understand how to best use them. Mechanics is not the beginning and end to skills in gaming like most people think.
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@RainehDaze said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3348940#Comment_3348940
The core concept, if you assume it's traps that give info and a punishment for hanging around the area, is okay, but I'm not sure how much of the implementation is salvageable. Like, if you kept the way drones turn on and off by default, the area, and the existence of claw traps, and reworked it from that starting point, it might be something?
Stuff like the claw traps giving Oblivious rather than the weirdly-overcomplicated reactivation situation, being in the drone area doing something aside from 'give exposed if it has LoS' (or addons focusing on debuffing and not a few scant buffs) to make it more actively useful... eh, they're ideas, I guess?
Because 'info and very limited stealth' don't go well with no mobility, and info is not something so hard to get it makes for a good core power.
The battery on the claw traps being able to be recharged by entering new drone areas I'm NGL is kinda weird because you're gonna be chasing those people most likely and the traps get destroyed when you down them so it's an odd feature that doesn't really do anything. I think to make the claw traps better they should get whatever add-on effects the drone has like oblivious, blindness, exhaustion, etc and that would give them a bit more utility and make her add-ons better overall.
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@RainehDaze said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3348948#Comment_3348948
I think the stealth would also needs its initiation cooldown reduced. It's already limited by location, and the drone being activated, why does it take a few seconds to kick in??? If a Survivor is there to notice anyway, it's not like it matters.
I agree it should honestly be instant, to use it in chase for instance you have to throw the drone up in a loop and it takes 4 seconds to activate and then another 3 seconds to proc the stealth that's 7 seconds for a minor advantage in chase on an m1 killer. Give SM instant stealth and lower the drone activation time by 1 second and it would feel dramatically better.
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@RainehDaze said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3348528#Comment_3348528
But what do you buff that doesn't make the 3gen even worse but adds more elsewhere? That is the question.
Buff the cooldown on throwing out drones or get rid of it entirely and make the drones activate faster, if you make them feel more fluid in chase camping gens with them seems less appealing.
Alternatively make the stealth last longer outside the zone so you don't have to feel like you need to stay inside to have your full power.
Currently you can place the drones next to each other close enough that you can make a path and keep your stealth up for a pretty long distance but that loses it's appeal when that path is glowing bright orange so survivors know the general area where you are.
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@RainehDaze said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3348853#Comment_3348853
Chase killers benefit from macro knowledge and skill too, though, which is part of the problem.
But as I said, I think what a lot of it comes down to is control over your power expression. SM is another case of giving too much information to the Survivors to enable them to work around it, and a logical counter of "run away from power". Trapper and Hag at least give some measure of 'here's a good place it's hidden/that I can chase someone into and get immediate payoff', aside from the haste and aura addons, SM... doesn't.
I think if she was able to stealth her drones and Survivors had to find them and didn't get immediately told they were taking effect, she'd be in a much stronger place (not that it feels like a sufficient buff tbh; I liked the num drones out * 20% = extra lunge distance someone suggested to just give her something a little more) and lose at least a chunk of the complaints on that. Because then it's more on your clever placement, and less on Survivors ignoring it for some reason.
I was actually just thinking about this while testing some things with her (meaning all the visual information given to survivors) and I agree it's a bit much with all the harsh glowing lights. I think if they got rid of the orange light in active mode for the survivors and just made the drone slightly louder so aware survivors will find it while unaware ones will get exposed much easier that would be better. As well has letting survivors see the lock on meter, that needs to go away as well because it's like notifying survivors how much stalk GF or Myers has.
For the killer just let them see the orange circle on the ground so they can see the range like hag traps and that would be good as well cuz trying to see through it right now isn't great especially for people with color blindness.
Just to be clear I'm not saying SM is perfectly designed a ton of things need to be tweaked but I will defend her core concept as I find it tremendously interesting and fun to play with and I've waited ages for another trap killer to release. The killer won't be for most people and that's fine I haven't really clicked with the vast majority of killers released recently and that's okay, those killers weren't for me. It's just frustrating when we finally do get something appealing to players like me that enjoy setting up and having a plan come together and everyone wants to instantly destroy it.