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@LetsPlayTogether said:
How long do you guys want to spam threads about Legion?
Go wit the blessing of Legion. Even if that means nothing now.
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@xllxENIGMAxllx said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/889381#Comment_889381
Yes i know but we can still create legion threads if they get annoyed they'll listen.
go for it. Go with the Blessing of Legion.... even if that means nothing now.
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@Spooky13 said:
The best part about this is that they are claiming "If you didn't like the Legion changes from the PTB, you should've voiced your opinion."
Because absolutely NO ONE did that. Sure, ok.
Legion needs a complete rework at this point. Legion being tied to Deep Wounds makes them fundamentally badly designed. Every nerf Legion gets almost always goes hand in hand to a buff to BT/DW. DW is practically pointless now, instead of changing Nemesis and BoP with Legion, you know, like they should have, they just completely made DW pointless. It's a band aid fix, meanwhile Legion sits in the corner, rotting corpses that they are.
Legion is one thing that devs never listen to their community about, they just go around, constantly avoiding any major rework they can, despite the massive cries from the community asking for a Legion rework to make them strong and fun to play with as killer, and challenging yet counterable for survivors.
But don't worry guys, Legion is getting Christmas sweaters, because everybody enjoys playing a massively gutted killer.
Exactly, My Friend.
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@NullSp3c said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/889374#Comment_889374
It just sends me to the original post, not a comment. Also, I've been the first person commenting on it ahaha. I already know the idea and gave my opinion about it.
Yeah, cause that was to the guy arguing with me that most everyone thinks this is a buff and Devs shouldn't be expected to listen to only me, and that I need to "grow a spine and accept change."
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They don't care. They won't even bother to listen.
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@Monlyth said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/889261#Comment_889261
Honestly though, compared to most big developers, BHVR's communication has been consistently good. The simple fact that they reply to forum threads almost every day puts them miles ahead of most of their competition.
That being said, developers always have to be careful not to spend too much time talking to their community about their plans and updates, because talking about doing something is not the same as doing it. If they took the time to explain every little change in this update, that alone could take several hours out of many of the devs' work days, and cause a significant delay for their development. Remember, the devs all have a life outside of work, so they have a limited amount of time each day to work on projects, discuss things with their coworkers, and reply to the community's posts.
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/889266#Comment_889266
If you choose to continue talking with me, I have the right to continue talking with you. If you dismiss all of my arguments as mere insults, that's your prerogative, but again, don't be surprised when the devs aren't swayed by simple outrage. I think you'd be a lot more convincing if you took the time to chill out and sort out all of your thoughts on this matter.
Also I think the best way to convince you is to let you look at these. Maybe when I get home from work i'll want to debate this "More calmly" but for now, just look at these.
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@NullSp3c said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/889320#Comment_889320
Yeah, I've also fought against the nerfs and gave them good ideas on how to fix the legion from the beggining, when the update happened.
Yeah, you've made a giant discussion with people's ideas.
These are the reasons that i think that our feedback is ignored and i've lost my faith on behaviour too. They update was in may and we are in december with an even more nerfed killer.
Exactly. With the whole community making jokes about how bad Legion is, and how they have no power.... they nerfed them more. They don't care. They don't listen. I tried my hardest to get then to see someone's idea. BHVR even read that post, you can see it on my wall... and they give us this.
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This patch made me lose all faith in BHVR and stop playing completely.
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@Predator3174PL said:
Why are we still here? Just to suffer?
Every day, I stare at my hands....
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I really, really hope this is a joke.
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@NullSp3c said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/889291#Comment_889291
No problem bro, I think it is how every legion main feels, that effectively know how this killer can be fun/good.
Not like those guys that think that 4ks will make a killer good. It doesn't matter at all.
Exactly. I'm glad you at least get it. You know how much I've struggled to get the Devs to see SOMEONE's idea for Legion to help them. Anyone's.
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@Monlyth said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/889261#Comment_889261
Honestly though, compared to most big developers, BHVR's communication has been consistently good. The simple fact that they reply to forum threads almost every day puts them miles ahead of most of their competition.
That being said, developers always have to be careful not to spend too much time talking to their community about their plans and updates, because talking about doing something is not the same as doing it. If they took the time to explain every little change in this update, that alone could take several hours out of many of the devs' work days, and cause a significant delay for their development. Remember, the devs all have a life outside of work, so they have a limited amount of time each day to work on projects, discuss things with their coworkers, and reply to the community's posts.
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/889266#Comment_889266
If you choose to continue talking with me, I have the right to continue talking with you. If you dismiss all of my arguments as mere insults, that's your prerogative, but again, don't be surprised when the devs aren't swayed by simple outrage. I think you'd be a lot more convincing if you took the time to chill out and sort out all of your thoughts on this matter.
I'll come back to you after work then, if I still care enough to bother.
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@[Deleted User] said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/888300#Comment_888300
I wasn't a Seal and I'm old now, and I can still jump down 12 feet all day long without issues. Granted I'm a smoker so there is no way I could run for more than 20 minutes, but easily do what the characters do for 10 minutes without question.
Good for you. Glad you are still fit.it's important to stay healthy.
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@Mellow7 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/889286#Comment_889286
Just an assumption since newer players usually tend to get attracted to the latest content when they join and legion was fairly new so I had thought you were fresh to the game, you can always play wraith he does pretty much the same thing as legion
no. I'm done with BHVR
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@NullSp3c said:
I'm just waiting for the hotfix/mid-chapter patch to take my final word on DBD, being a legion main that waited too long for a change that got me stunned of how... (idk i can't describe it) it was.
I feel like i got slapped in the face by behaviour.
I played a few games with legion now, even tho they feel better to use, you have no stall potential and the punishment that comes in the end or if you miss a hit is very frustrating. These factors completely overdue the buffs that they gave to make them feel better to use.
If they don't change anything for the better, it's the final gg from me in dbd.
Thank you for supporting me in this too. "Slapped in the face." sums up some of my feeling on this.
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@Mellow7 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/888787#Comment_888787
Who did you main before legion or are you a newer player?
.... Before I was The Fanatical Legion Main. One of the loudest voices for changes for Legion on the forums. I've played the game since 2016. Quit in 2017 and came back for Legion. I've Played Legion almost exclusively since. So... Trapper I mained in 2017 and no, I'm not new.
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@Pulsar said:
The statement to end this discussion on whether or not the Legion changes were a buff or a nerf needs to be made.
The most efficient way to play Legion is to never use his power in a chase. I've found that using it for mobility is far better than using it as a chase power, as it only extends chases.
That should tell you all you need to know. When a Killer's power is better used to traverse the map than to actually hit Survivors, we need to have a serious talk with the devs.
Thank you! Even with the speed the stun makes even traversal with Legion's power is bad in alot of cases.
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@Monlyth said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/889171#Comment_889171
Well, that's the thing. A large portion of the community considers this to be a buff, not a nerf. And a large portion of the community didn't consider Legion to be the worst killer. A lot of people consider Leatherface, Clown and/or Wraith to be worse. You seem to be making the classic mistake of believing that most people think the same way you do.
They are listening to feedback. Feedback clearly factors heavily into many of their decisions, like the decision to change how Deep Wounds interacts with the Terror Radius, or the decision to reduce the difficulty of the Tome challenges. But, again, you seem to have this notion that because they didn't do exactly what you wanted them to do, it was a bad change.
Feedback is always valuable, but if you expect them to always act upon your feedback and give you the exact changes you wanted, you're setting yourself up for disappointment. And if you expect them to act upon your feedback when you spew hyperbole and make an "I quit" post every time things don't go just the way you wanted them to, don't be surprised when the developers get reluctant to take you seriously.
When you view even the slightest nerf as "Getting gutted/nerfed to the ground", even when they give the character several buffs in many other areas, you have nobody to blame but yourself if you get upset. And it tells the developers that nothing will satisfy you, short of breaking the game to favor you exclusively. Be honest, would you have ever been happy with anything but buffs? Would you be happy with buffs if they weren't the exact buffs you wanted? It certainly doesn't seem that way.
And do you really know what you're asking for when you say that they need to remove Deep Wounds entirely, and create a whole new mechanic exclusive to Legion? As I said before, reworks take a long time. Months, at the bare minimum. The Freddy rework took almost two years. If you want changes to happen immediately, then you'll have to be satisfied with small tweaks.
Do you know what it looks like when the developers listen to player feedback more than their own intuition and knowledge? It looks like the current mobile gaming market. Everyone just does whatever will get them the highest rating on the app store, and whatever gets them the highest survey scores. Nobody tries anything new, nobody cares about making a quality product, everyone copies everyone else, every game plays the same way, and great games essentially don't exist. Finding even a halfway decent title on the app store (Which isn't just a port of an old game, mind you) is like finding a needle in a haystack.
But at any rate, you're really starting to take an aggressive tone again, so I'm not going to indulge your emotional outbursts any longer. My advice still stands: The sooner you accept that nerfs and buffs come and go, and you're not always going to get the exact changes you want, the better off you'll be mentally. Grow some backbone. Embrace change.
We agreed to disagree like 3 pages ago. Go away if all you are gonna do is continue to try and call me a wuss. I don't want them to only listen to me. I want them to listen to the community, which they clearly arn't.
This is the first time i've ever made a post like this, so "Make an I quit post every time" Doesn't apply to me. I'm done discussing this with you. You think i'm some arrogant git that wants everything my way or I will throw a tantrum, and I think you are a condescending fool. So Let's just stop this now before it gets worse.
Also judging by the amount of threads saying "Why did you do this to Legion Devs?" and "Legion is Dead." and etc, you are obviously wrong that "Most of the community thinks it's a buff." Most would be the ones that don't even play Legion and the very popularity of this thread and my rework ideas threads show that everyone knows Legion is in a bad spot and was made worse.
Also good job making a whole post based on a completely false view of me, when you don't even know me or want to understand my motives.
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@Monlyth said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/889032#Comment_889032
Of course I read your reply on why you mained Legion. I quoted it.
You seem to have this notion that the devs are obligated to act upon your feedback, and incorporate your ideas into their reworks. Trust me when I say: The sooner you let go of this notion, the better it will be for your mental health. When you don't get fussy just because the devs didn't do exactly what you wanted, you'll often be pleasantly surprised by what the devs managed to come up with.
Good game design is nowhere near as easy as it seems. It takes a lot of brainstorming, a lot of designing, a lot of iteration, and a lot of trial and error to create a well-designed game, mechanic, or character. There are a multitude of factors to consider before you implement any given mechanic or make any given change, many of which are not obvious to the player who actually uses and interacts with the mechanic. And after you're done brainstorming, you usually need to test again and again. Assess your changes and decide whether or not they're accomplishing what they're meant to accomplish, and if they make the game more fun to play. And you'll often have to go back to the drawing board many times before you get something that really works. When you don't do that and try to rush the process, you end up with messy games like Mass Effect Andromeda, and Anthem.
If I had to bet, I'd say that BHVR has been spending a long time brainstorming ideas on how best to fix Legion's issues, but they've had other tasks to do that were just as important (Like designing new characters, making balance changes and reworking other characters, i.e. The Doctor), and they simply haven't come up with an adequate solution yet. Reworks take a long time. In the meantime, it seems they've decided to help him out by buffing his add-ons and buffing FF, while changing the way his power interacts with certain perks.
Why did they do the last change? I couldn't tell you the exact reason. Maybe they wanted to change it for the sake of consistency (Because Shred and chainsaws and hatchets and such don't count as a Basic Attack either), maybe they wanted to remove Sloppy Butcher in order to make way for his new Button add-ons. Either way, instead of getting upset, I choose to welcome the changes and continue giving feedback on what I like and don't like about him, so that things can continue to get better for Legion.
I've heard this consistently from a lot of game designers (Specifically, Mark Rosewater, the lead designer for Magic: The Gathering): "Your audience is good at identifying problems, and bad at solving them". It's rare for your audience to see the bigger picture and understand all of the factors that need to be considered when designing something. They can tell you when something is wrong, but they often have trouble figuring out how to make it right. Lots of players might love one suggested change, but lots of others (The silent majority) would hate it. Always be careful before you implement fan-suggested changes.
For an example of good game design, I consider the change to Deep Wounds (Making it so it doesn't interact with the Terror Radius anymore, and ticks down anytime you're not sprinting or Mending) to be a well-thought-out change, because it addresses one of the common complaints about the mechanic (That it can be exploited by abilities and perks that remove the Terror Radius) without significantly reducing or increasing its overall power, or changing what the mechanic is intended to do. This change allows the developers to implement more mechanics that remove the Terror Radius (Which they clearly wanted to do with this patch), without worrying that they'll break the game with Deep Wounds.
Are you a game designer? No. Should I expect a company to listen to the feedback of most of there community? Yes. I don't expect them to listen to ME but when most of the community is at arms cause Legion, who was widely considered the worst Killer, got nerfed even further... Don't you think they should listen?
Just cause I shouldn't get "Fussy" or anything like that doesn't stop the human reaction of getting upset over something that makes no sense to me and is seen as widely unneeded. Maybe if they explained anything it would be better. Also WHY EVEN HAVE THESE FORUMS IF NOT TO LISTEN TO FEEDBACK?! The community has spend a long time brain storming Ideas too, I have two threads in Feedback that show that, let alone the billions of other threads. Good Job dismissing EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM! You act like game designers are on some lofty cloud that they can't be touched by the poor, dirty masses that play there game.
IF BHVR has been "Brainstorming for a long time' They are really not showing it with releasing Nemesis and changing some perks, then going "Oh ######### that broke Legion." and then nerfing them into the ground.
This is a messy game just like the ones you mentioned. Basement bug is the newest example of that and so are the myriad of other bugs and problem on PC alone, not even counting Console.
Have you looked at the add-on changes? Have you? The only changes even worth noting are the pins getting changes and the Filthy Blade getting nerfed. The other changes are not even a second of difference. I should be HAPPY that i get .2 M/S while losing a million perks I could use? I should be happy that my power does even less now? Oh goody, I can vault this window .2 seconds faster! That makes up for the fact I LITERALLY GET PUNISHED FOR USING MY POWER!
You are in denial if you think that this whole community pointing out the issues with this nerf and Legion as a whole is wrong. "Good at identifying problems and bad at solving them?" Cool, then your opinion is worthless too! This change to Deep Wound is NOT good game design in the slightest, and I honestly hope you are joking somehow. BHVR has done many moves that make players wonder if they even play there own game and then you come singing there praises like they are Lords of game design for an obviously terrible change? They should have just removed Deep wounds from Legion and replaced it, not gutted an already weak Killer.
Oh and in case you haven't figured it out yet. I AM JUST AS ENTITLED TO GIVE FEED BACK AS YOU! This is my feedback. This change made me lose faith in BHVR as a company, and the Devs in it as a whole. Literally nothing you can say in your condescending way will ever change my mind.
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@Andreyu44 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/888487#Comment_888487
I mean,if you dont know how to play them,I guess...
Yes, OP,they're almost perfect now,they just need to change their purple add-ons
Hi, I've played Legion for most of the hours I have on the game which is 400+. This is a horrid nerf and made me stop playing the game.
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@premiumRICE said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/888965#Comment_888965
I read everything, and that is the outcome. anyway you just ignored the main issue, the behaviour towards devs, but its okay.
Once again, sorry for being upset my favorite Killer was gutted and strung up on my porch like a warning from the Mob. I have a right to tell the Devs how I feel.
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They didn't even give him time to settle like they claimed they would.
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@CashelP14 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/109666/dramatic-but-this-is-how-i-feel-now
I wouldn't blame the community managers for you losing faith since it's their job to support their company over this community. I understand your concerns since they literally nitpick what they want to reply to and what they don't.
Personally I think they need to be more open with their community which won't happen anytime soon. Also would be nice if they used the polls section to discuss changes and see peoples feedback on.
Once again, that was to get them to SEE it so they could TELL THE DEVS. I am not blaming Community Managers. I am blaming the Devs.
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@yermom said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/889015#Comment_889015
Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that any action taken to improve the character is a good indication that they want y'all legion players to enjoy yourselves.
I mean, it may have been the worst idea ever to give a killer the same power as survivors. Not because it's 'just a bad idea' but because their ability to balance around that is probably hyper-sensitive, so they have to be super careful about what they change to make sure they don't break him again.
Granted, people who play legion didn't do anything bad by choosing legion as a killer and it seems like you guys feel like you're being punished by these nerfs, which is tough. Legion players are kinda in the position of freddy players before the freddy rework (maybe not that bad), but just like that rework, I think in time legion will be strong again.
yeah, I'll enjoy myself by playing something else. Maybe that's what they wanted. I hope you are right, but I just can't get the hope up. Keep it alive for us.
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@Monlyth said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/888988#Comment_888988
Yes, all killers should be present in high ranks, but I don't think we should accomplish that by bringing every killer up to Spirit's level. I think that would have the side effect of making all the survivors quit.
To be honest, I'm a little hesitant to say we should buff killers at all, mostly because Killers are all doing fairly well, according to BHVR's stats. If all Killers already have a kill rate of 60% or more in the red ranks, I'd hesitate to say we should buff them. High-ranking killers complain a lot about survivors, yet they still manage to do well against even the best of them?
So, it's possible that the issue lies with the emblem system (Which would skew the statistics to make killers look good, since it's harder to rank up as a Killer than a Survivor), or it's possible that the issue lies somewhere else. Either way, I'm not sure that buffing all the killers is the best idea when we don't know all the facts. Why killers complain a lot about survivors at red ranks, yet killers are dominating the red ranks according to statistics.
I'mma take it you didn't read my reply to why I main'ed Legion? Also BHVR Devs have said not to use the stats to draw Conclusions, making your argument here flawed. Also anything 51% to 74% is still 2 kills,. which at high ranks is a Black pip or worse.
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Burns even more cause of all the effort I put into my threads in Feedback. Just to realize that was pointless too.
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Yep. Let's just gut this useless Killer more, cause why not.
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They won't listen. They never listened to my threads in Feedback or the billion of others saying Legion needed help.
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@yermom said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/888996#Comment_888996
Sorry to hear that, I've been there and it sucks. Waiting for patches feels like forever, and playing other killers is no fun most of the time. Besides, you've probably been waiting a long time to enjoy your character again since the first nerf. Also, iirc too, you've put a bunch of effort into contributing to the conversation regarding legions changes, so seeing minor changes here and there is probably frustrating.
I have a major thread over on Feedback about Legion changes.... 2 of them. This makes all of that feel pointless, cause it shows they will never listen.
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@silverwolf4455 said:
Idk.. its kinda a lateral move. At least you can't do a gen inside terror radius anymore.
yeah you can. Till that timer gets low you can do whatever you want, then sprint off to pause it and mend.
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Give them to Jeff to make another Mural or put them in the Fireplace in Ormound so they can finally hang out together in peace again.
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You have more hope then I do at this point.
@yermom said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/888960#Comment_888960
I'm not saying at least it's something, because I don't think the changes are going to end with the ones made this patch. It's going to be an ongoing process. I'm also not saying people should be happy about the changes, just that it's moving forward, rather than being neglected or moving backward. I mean, it's hardly akin to being fed maggots.
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@Hellbughunter said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/888932#Comment_888932
Yes, but his comment seems not aimed at giving his opinion or changing minds, it seem, at least in my opinion, aimed to mook the opinion of some who think legion is better of after the patch. So i used my voice in this public forum to tell him that he doesn't speak for all of us.
I think he was being sarcastic, but I could be wrong? But I literally stopped playing today cause of the Changes done to Legion and Deep Wound so...
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I quit today too. I just no longer have any faith in BHVR.
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@Monlyth said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/888951#Comment_888951
No, I really wasn't pissy about the Warlock changes. From the first moment they revealed the new, reworked playstyle for Demonology, I was excited to explore it. Were there some things I missed about the old playstyle? Yes. Did I complain about the changes? No, not once.
Also, why are you saying that I don't understand the changes or the meta? My Legion build is full of meta perks. I could drop Thanatophobia for another meta perk if need be, and it wouldn't have to be Sloppy Butcher or STBFL.
Whatever. I wish you good games. I've tried and tried to explain this, so we will just have to stay on different pages.
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@premiumRICE said:
Btw, all the commotion and hes a lil bit better thanbefore tho. Really, people should stop complain for nothing and if necessary give feedback after a thorough playthrough. As I see this is just a pointless rant, and this is not what the community needs. The community of this game is so toxic toward devs its ridiculous, maybe they listen too much and get bullied back
A pointless rant? Excuse me for being upset my favorite Killer was gutted and i'm not happy about the table scraps I was given to make up for it.
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@yermom said:
I don't know if legion will ever be like pre-nerf, but I think it's a good thing the devs are taking strides to improve legion. I mean, leatherface was my main for a long time, and all of his addons are great for hillbilly, because they are hillbilly's addons. Not to discount the crappiness of the legion, just trying to point out that it was worse, and now it's a little better, which could and probably does mean things will get better over time.
and being handed maggots to eat and then being expected to be happy cause "At least It's something." it about the same thing.
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@TragicSolitude said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/888768#Comment_888768
Yup, I hadn't bought the Stranger Things DLC, yet, and unless things change for the better, I probably never will, because I'm not going to put money into a game that constantly disappoints.
I started playing Dying Light due to the lack of a real DbD Halloween event, and I've continued playing it since. Unlike DbD, I can play Dying Light to relax and have fun... such a weird feeling.
Yep. I gave up today. I just can't anymore. I have lost all faith in BHVR.
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I give up.
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@Monlyth said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/888946#Comment_888946
Hey man, I'm just trying to suggest productive solutions here. If a killer main doesn't enjoy playing Legion anymore, there are plenty of other options with different playstyles. There are low-tier options like Doctor, mid-tier options like Myers, and high-tier options like Spirit. I'm not going to judge Legion mains if they decide to main Spirit now. I'd just say to the devs that Spirit needs more work (Assuming these upcoming nerfs aren't enough).
Also did you even see my reply to why I mained Legion? You just saying "Go to someone else, and oh i'll tell them to nerf Spirit too." just makes you seem like an ass.
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@Monlyth said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/888912#Comment_888912
Well, speaking as somebody who's seen nerfs and buffs come and go many times over the years (I was a Demonology Warlock main in WoW; I absolutely loved the fantasy, but my chosen specialization was usually the weakest, and I was often pigeonholed into playing specs I disliked. When buffs finally came for Demonology, I was happy and did quite well in my guild. I loved being the resident Warlock expert. Then they reworked Demonology. Yet... I was okay with it. It was a totally different playstyle, yet it still had everything I loved about Warlocks: summoning demons, applying debuffs, slowly whittling away your opponent's health to nothing. And I was still the resident Warlock for many months until the guild broke up), I've grown to tolerate change. Even when it's not perfect, and not exactly what I wanted. I look at the bigger picture, and I don't get fussy if the changes were an overall improvement to the character.
Also, side note: I never used Sloppy Butcher or other M1 perks on Legion. My pre-patch build was BBQ & Chili, Ruin, Monitor and Abuse, and Thana. So this patch changed almost nothing about Legion for me personally, except the speed buffs.
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/888934#Comment_888934
I don't really understand this argument, because survivors will usually stay injured against Legion, making STBFL's effect redundant.
Changes do not equal gutting of a class. I bet at first you were pretty pissy about the changes, no matter what you say. You saying you didn't use those perks just kinda underlines it. You kinda just tossed out meta things and admitted you don't understand the changes. Cause the Movement speed buff wasn't near the only thing in it. I don't mean this rudely, but it's right there. This isn't an "Overall improvement to the character." at all and I am looking at the bigger picture, which is the Devs tossing Legion into a wood chipper, and you will never convince me otherwise.
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@Hellbughunter said:
It's funny that you get to dicide if legion is better or worse for everyone. I didn't use one hit perks and didn't kill with deep wound, so this patch is a straight buff for people like me. Legion might got worse for you but you don't get to dictate if legion is better or worse for all of us.
This is a public forum man.
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@PrettyFaceKate said:
I'll give credit to OP for at least not going with the default line of being a Legion main who consistently 4K's at red ranks with 4 gens to go. And that's the only thing I'll give'em credit for.
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/888457#Comment_888457
That Legion were not about lethality was pretty clear by now. BHVR wanted to make sure they went all the way with that. Now Legion can have all the pressure and information in the world while being as not lethal as possible.
and therefore not a "Killer"
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@Monlyth said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/888890#Comment_888890
Well, that just begs the question: Why do you main them? If you don't like their playstyle and don't feel like you're having an impact, why not play a different killer? There are plenty of other killers with more lethality and different playstyles.
But I will also have to agree to disagree, because I view the reduced mend times and the changes to perks as an insignificant loss, compared to the many buffs Legion received for Frenzy, and the fact that Button add-ons are finally useful. I have more than 20 unused Smiley Face pins in my inventory right now, just waiting for me to use them and mess with the survivors.
Because I enjoyed running around and slashing all the survivors. Cause I could connect with the Killer in a way cause of there lore. I grew up in a town alot like the one in the lore, I could see others going down that path. This path the Devs are taking with Legion just shows me how pointless it is to try and ask them anything or talk to them about anything. They don't care, so why should I? I left this game after 2016-2017 era and Legion got me back. I have a connection with this Killer and now they have been gutted. I used to feel like I could do something with them, but now... with all these nerfs and these "Buffs" that do nothing to make up for it.... there's no point. I'm glad you can still enjoy them, and I give you the blessing of the Legion on your games... but at this point, that's like calling a curse down on you more than anything. I'll give you that the new speed and all feels nice... but it in no way makes up for the negatives.
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@AngryFluffy said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/888801#Comment_888801
I never understood why they connected their power to DW anyway. There are so many issues if there is a killer power, which is the same as a survivor perk (BT), who came even up with that idea in first place? I think Legion needs something individual and not a power which must also be balanced along to other perks...
I always saw how dedicated you fought for Legion and when you got banned I really was afraid to never see you around here again. I was really glad when you were back. But I think I also can relate how you feel... And it is better to take a break from this game and maybe even the forums, until this numbness fades. Because having this "feeling" is not healthy at all...Maybe you'll find new energy or motivation when some time has passed...take your time and take care bro. You are not alone with this.
Thank you. That means more than you likely realize.
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@Cymer said:
You want to tell me it isn't worse that now I can loop the legion the entire game without have to mend?
If 1-2 gens are done I can loop a legion for the rest of the game if he chases me, then my Adrenaline pops and I didn't even had to mend once.
I can easily cleanse a totem while in DW and as long you can manage an m1 killer, the Legion is a killer without a power.
The new Oni should have been the Legion rework.
Getting in a Feral Frenzy after hitting enough survivors, going into a Bloodrage and downing people left and right.
The Oni moves faster then FF, has an Instant Down, breaks pallets without an add-on and can get stunned without losing his power.
What is the selling point of the Legion at this moment?
literally nothing.
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@White_Owl said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/888871#Comment_888871
He's faster and has better addons at the cost of losing a top meta sinergy with a couple of perks. The mending time might be slightly shorter, but now survivor must keep moving or mend, while before they could just ignore it and repair gens inside the terror radius.
He was definetly not gutted.
All of those "Buffs" are nerfs being reverted. The DW changes made there power literally pointless. You can run across map, unhook, be mended in 8 seconds, then leave with no penalty. The slight movement speed increase might be fun and feel good, but it in no way makes up for the nerfs. It's like being handed maggots to eat and expected to be happy cause "At least it's something." Also, most of his add-ons got nerfed or changed so slightly it was pointless. The buttons are the only real change and they are still laughable. You are sadly wrong.
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@[Deleted User] said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/888874#Comment_888874
And Plague can be as well when good teams decide not to cleanse and you don't have an apple. That's just how M1 killers are on a lot of strong maps against strong survivors. I will 100% keep disagreeing that they are worse than they were pre-patch though.
Then we will have to agree to disagree. I mained Legion since they came out. I've seen them get broken again and again. This is just another stomp to the corpse of Legion strung up on my porch like a warning from the Mob. I'll never agree with you that they are anywhere close to better.
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@DWolfAlpha said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/888860#Comment_888860
Yeah, I never really saw victory as requiring a 4k or even any kills. Though their lack of lethality makes it really difficult to punish toxic survivors, which just makes their taunting and bullying all the more frustrating. Even though I feel Legion is more fun than a few days ago, the things they haven't touched since the rework can still make for some infuriating moments. Survivors can still just zig zag back and forth, causing you to miss FF attacks. Even if you're in their face. At least, they can on console. The broken status effect is worthless on Legion, since no one heals to full anyway. Sure, you can apply mangled still, but with it being on a timer, really what's the point. *Sigh.
Exactly. I don't play this game to even kill one person. I want to feel like I have an impact. I'd like to have good back and forth games. This... this just shows how utterly pointless that dream is.
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I give up on BHVR.