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@TicTokCringe said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/93894/did-you-seriously-nerf-insta-heals
I honestly agree with you so much but are insta heals actaully getting nerfed? Cause if so then thats just stupid whats the point? You can only use it one time its not like there was a big deal with them.
As A Killer who has dealt with 4 people running syringes... I disagree.
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@PickCollins said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/746998#Comment_746998
Idk where you are hearing positive feedback bc from what I'm looking at, most of it is very VERY negative. Any remotely positive opinion is shut out by the "the base kit didn't need changed #########".
Streams mostly. OTZ for example reviewed the changes. Thank you for being more civil now.
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@AliXnm said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/746940#Comment_746940
Who says I edit them? I don’t I record them as soon as something happens.
It was a joke, I assure you. Please, I await your proof.
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@PickCollins said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/746330#Comment_746330
No you didn't. But sitting here and jeering about the changes like it's some kind of penance process Nurse mains now have to deal with contributes to the issue.
I do believe that we have had a miscommunication, brought on by the lack of context in text. I have not and would not "Jeer" about changes or think of it as penance for a Nurse main. I am sorry you seem to think that i did, but I assure you that was not my intent.
I merely did not understand why everyone was freaking out BEFORE PTB and in fact have heard alot of positive things about Nurse at this point. Now, Can we let this misunderstanding drop and be civil or shall I just ignore you for my own sanity?
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@GeneralSpudmuffin said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/744227#Comment_744227
Phobia, the heart of the beast. A place where the very ground begins to crawl with unnatural, insectoid appendages.
EXACTLY! You took that right outta my brain I swear!
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I barely have any money and I still think premium is a good deal.
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Yall need to chill.
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@Yamaoka said:
Thanks to the Stranger Things chapter there's tons of bad killers even at red ranks who will literally message SOLO players they're gonna facecamp for bringing an item or not readying up immediately during the loading screen. That's harassment in my book. Is it bannable or do I have to suggest my gf to play another game?
I'm sorry you have run into this! If you are on PC i hope i find you to give you a good game! Harassment is 100% bannable! Please report them!
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@AliXnm said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/746893#Comment_746893
I have plenty of proof I just need to know how to post the videos on here.
As I am curious as to what over edited clips you bring, there is an "Embed" option in the chat window. It's a square with the two arrows in it.
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I'm sorry to all Nurse mains that they don't have there own Tier anymore. But it opens up for Lower Tier Killers to be buffed and for maps to be more easily reworked.
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@EldritchElise87 said:
Its a nerf in the sense that vs those mythical "optimised swf groups" Nurse using anything other than addons to reduce the recharge to 0, and basicly make her a base kit nurse.So really, what it does is narrow the "sweaty" nurses into a very specfic set of add ons, and then the absolute worst thing youd have to deal with would be a basekit nutrse.
And the more i think about it, would we be able to justify some of her new add ons without the nerf? I for one was having hella fun with the matchbook, and if a new killer came out with that exact power, 4.2ms speed and 1 blink, it would be considered a very high tier killer.
And to be honest, can we stop acting like children at every change? the devs dont favour one side or the other, they want every game to be as close in skill as possible, because that tends to create more *fun games*. Games where one side stomps the other consistently are not fun. There is some stuff in dbd that makes certain swf setups and survivor builds overpowered, there are some killers or perks that can seem like they have no counter, but at least they listen and try to balance things.
Chill yall.
Thank you so much. They are not for either side, but for the GAME! As they should be.
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I told everyone to wait till PTB.
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@humanbeing1704 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/746901#Comment_746901
Also ormonds hooks are pretty neat
Yeah I really like them... though I remember they used to have hooks for each killer... and that was used against the Killer somehow... I forget.
But one of my goals is to be the one Legion player that you see the name in post chat and go "THAT'S WHY I DIED!" like Scorp and Piggy.
So a hook that was "Mine" would make that even more cool!
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And that you can get them for free too? Nothing is exclusive....
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I hope so!
I want a hook that people see and can recognize as mine!
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@AliXnm said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/746858#Comment_746858
Ur still not understanding 🙃
and neither are you. So, in the interest of keeping this civil, I think I'm just done trying to convince you of something that is obvious. The Devs work for Balance for BOTH sides. They are not on EITHER side. Now, I'm not gonna bump this thread anymore with my replies and I will now merely ignore you. Have a good day.
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@lucassfpa said:
I agree that your additions should be reviewed.
No need to tinker with her base power, she was fine, especially since she is an extremely hard-to-play killer that requires a large number of hours to learn.
Dead hard, urges heals, BT, MoM at high levels will really be OP against the nurse.
A good SWF can defeat any killer. Now with even less effort.
Giving up one of the only viable killers at the top, to compensate for the lack of game planning, is not a good idea, it will only make the game less competitive.
Great survivors need big challenges, and if a nurse with their base power can beat the swf, that just means this player is better.
Reworking your addon's was enough.
I still do not believe that she's terrible now. I've been looking at streams of the PTB and keeping track of the progress. Other than the Forums, everyone seems okay with it.
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@AliXnm said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/746761#Comment_746761
It’s a fact because I know and so does everyone else I play with and I can prove it with all my games clips. And I have a RIGHT to post my opinion on what this game needs to do to make it better.
Soooo, it's a fact based on your personal opinion along with the personal opinion of your friends instead of anything official or supported....
Please, go read what i posted earlier, the lists, and see that it's on both sides. Thank you.
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LE GASP! This is awesome!
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@Financial_Stability said:
Whether a pallet is "safe" or "unsafe" doesn't really matter to a Nurse. LOS is what decides it.
Yep! But that still factors in alot in Map making!
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@Jukantos said:
Now that the Nurse has been reduced to a bottom tier killer, i'd suggest you take a similar Axe to the non-interactive gameplay currently provided by the Spirit. Considering the high rank live servers already play like a Spirit PTB at this point (15 Spirits in 21 games, very fun), i'd say we can absolutely take her out the back just like the nurse in her latest iteration.
And after that, we can FINALLY adjust some of the base mechanics that have gone WAY out of whack, like taking Generator times back to 100, or preferably even 120 seconds. Right now, doing a generator doesn't feel like a commitment to an objective at all, it's done WAY too fast. There's reason the whole "gen rush" meme/meta has become so unbearably stale. Being able to do a generator in 80 seconds should be reserved for survivors using a purple mechanics toolbox on it.
I WANT to be less ridiculously powerfull as a survivor - because as long as my best way of playing is obvious, brazen, spamming crutches like DS and adrenaline, to the point of potentially being able to 1v1 a killer for the entire duration of a match. That's not fun. Hiding in a corner with Iron Will, skillfully out-mindgaming a killer is a WAY more satisfying gameplay experience, and too many no-brain detection perks and survivor crutches have forced a meta of picking killers and playstyles that are as non-interactive as possible. All in a bid to work around the base mechanics being way out of balance.
Hit the Spirit, maybe do a little bit against the Hags camping potential, and then when all the killers are on a more even playing field fix some of the base mechanics that CLEARLY need a touch-up, since they haven't been touched in a period of time that has seen survivors become WAY more optimal at exploiting them to their fullest potential.
I'll enjoy the game a heck of a lot more when i can get tense games and interesting gameplay setups against 10-17 killers, rather than repeating the same 2-3 over and over and over because i can abuse all the other ones to the point of noone using them in higher ranks anymore.
Seriously, look at the amount of matches played and won by killers specifically above rank 5. I bet you the distribution among killers picked is SO far off the charts tilted towards Nurse, Spirit and Billy (because they overcome the base mechanics as previously mentioned). You have the data. Act on it. Broaden the spectrum of viable stuff. I'll be hella thankful when you do :)
Also buff up the lower tier killers please!
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@Endstille said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/746737#Comment_746737
Oh no not mending!
I get flashbacks from me working on a gen while legion chases some other survivor and totally ignoring the status applied to me.
Exposed? nope, bubba? nope. billy? nope. It still resets the chase.
I still feel it is better than two whole health states for free. Besides, it's still being worked on and even if it does go live, I'll just work around it!
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@SteelDragon said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/746764#Comment_746764
WELL PREPARE YOUR BUTT, because it looks like that BHVR HAS A NEW DIRECTION, of nerfing the GOOD AND BALANCED KILLERS so that rank 1 SWF will always escape, and that even the bad survivors will have an easier time looping
Umm... I get good games as Legion at Red Ranks.... So.... I don't know what you mean unless you are being Sarcastic. Cause like... The Nurse was in a Tier of her own, and needed to be nerfed for game balance and possibly even the ability to rework maps better or bump up lower tier killers...
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@SteelDragon said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/746678#Comment_746678
the game has NEEDED continuous nerfs to survivors and continuous buffs to killers BECAUSE THIS CRAP WAS THE BASELINE DBD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1fkX3H84SE&t=317s
THAT was the OG baseline DBD, if that was DBD now adays, NOT EVEN OMEGA BLINK NURSE would kill even halfway decent survivors, and a M1 killer? might as well never play killer again or just DC and uninstall. the reason why it seems like killer is always getting buffed and survivors always getting Dced is because some survivors said back them "this is fine the way it is" so if you had that stupid mentality then yes it does seem like "omg killer always buffs and survivor always nerfed WAAAA WAAAA" it has taken BHVR 3 years to go from THAT to current. it is a long way but there is still a long way to go for good balance still. that is why mechanics like BLOODLUST are just bandaids to help patch the larger problem until it gets fixed, the devs have even said they don't like bloodlust but admit it is needed until the other balancing issues (like bad map design) gets resolved and wont be removed till it is resolved
if you think what you see in that video IS BALANCED for survivors and killers then you forfeit your right to comment on balance on this game for forever and/or complain about nerfs/buffs.
Oh God.... PTSD.... I played 2016-2017 DBD... never again... please....
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@StupidButTru said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/746703#Comment_746703
Do this apply to killer mains also or just survivors
Wow you are rude. Right to the Mods face.
@AliXnm said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/746677#Comment_746677
They are. You just don’t see em because you.
A. Don’t play survivor.
or
B. You don’t play on the same platform // ranking.
Soooo Just cause I don't play survivor I forget the meaning of a word? okay! I'll look it up!
fact
noun
- a thing that is known or proved to be true.
and
o·pin·ion
noun
- a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
Seems like I remember pretty well what they mean! Did you see the post where i put the lists of nerfs to both sides? Please go read both of them completely! I think it might open your eyes.
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@Toxicboii said:
Nice. Now that's thinking outside the box.
I always thought that nurse was nerfed for a reason. At first, I thought it was the baby survivors. But voted against it because if that were the case, She would've been nerfed less than a year after her first original nerf.
So I came to a different conclusion that they had did it for a different reason, no, the devs nerfed her upon their own decision.
The next question was "For what reason"? They can't have nerfed her for no reason. It definitely seemed likely that they nerfed her to make her more baseline with the killers. And that is understandable. They're more likely tearing down the powerful killers before they begin updating the weaker ones. That way, any killer you play will all be just as powerful, with only one difference. How they will be played. There's no significant downside that is already present in their powers or stats, but primarily, their abilities all have the same power. Making all killers viable in Red Ranks. Then, it makes sense.
Thank you! I am happy that someone else wanted to figure out a deeper reason than "THE DEVS HATE KILLERS WAAHHHH!"
There are people like that on both sides and it's really funny to me to see one topic about Devs being Killer sided with the next one down being Devs are Survivor Sided.
Everyone! It's a game! It will always be in a state of flux and they can't fix it all at once or even to everyone's likes! Just try and have fun with it!
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@Endstille said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/746688#Comment_746688
You honestly compare the change of 2 addons (one being a buff) to changing the complete mechanics of a killer? Those map reworks will be done in some years.
Yes! Because with 4 instaheals you could heal 12 stages of health! Also, You could just run in and BOOP your friend back to life, resetting a whole chase WHILE THE KILLER WAS WIPING HIS WEAPON!
So yes, it was a big deal!
Also the buff to medkits makes me happy as a Killer! Maybe now people will HEAL instead of relying on Adren and just PUMPING GENS!
Also, it's not an instaheal cause it still makes them have to waste time mending IF you let them go!
Like I have asked before, please keep the topic civil.
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@FriendlyGuy said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/746662#Comment_746662
The only viable addons so far are the ones that reduce the cooldown. So i'm gonna stick to them i guess.
I think it will get better when you get more used to it. Remember, all of this is on both sides. Insta heals were taken out too.
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@StupidButTru said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/746655#Comment_746655
When Cote got bullied after that event what happened immediately after they nerfed flashlights and this whole thing started spiraling downwards but go ahead enjoy the game because it won't be afloat for much longer with these continual nerfs to survivors and buffs to killers.
Here... just... for your info.
Read this one, that isnt updated:
So i decided to write every nerf that survivor got since release i migh miss some so u can add: - Removed infinites - Added entity that blocks window if its been used 3times in a short time - Nerfed sabo meta (hooks respawns after 2mins) - Removed/Nerfend Jungle gyms - Nerfed sprint boost perks (adding exhaustion effect) cooldown sprint burst used to be on 20 or 30s cooldown dont remember atm.and then this one that is:
Given that someone thought it was a good idea to make a list of all the survivor nerfs that have occured since release to try and "prove a point", despite critiquing this methodology I have compiled a list of all killer nerfs in this game since release to counter it, as we were challenged to do (which would again somehow "prove" that survivors have been receiving the short end of the stick and therefore survivors cannot be overpowered) Disclaimer: Since the original list includes the fixing of...Also Flashlights were nerfed cause of Insta-blind and the white screen giving people headaches.
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@AliXnm said:
so I’m being hostile because I’m stating facts? And posting my opinion on the game and what’s needs to be changed?
They arn't facts though.
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@FriendlyGuy said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/746557#Comment_746557
I tested nearly all of her addons.
Cool! I hope you had fun with them! But please, either way, keep it civil!
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Also, I love the parallel of this and all the people freaking out about Nurse changes yesterday. Yall all need to chill.
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@Creepingcam1070 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/746580#Comment_746580
The only one I dont like is the change to fuming mixtape
Oh?
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@TheDarkWall said:
Yeah, I wouldn't mind looking over your ideas too
Cool! want a link?
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@Kebek said:
Tried the new nurse and I dare to say that not much about her base actually changed if played by a good nurse. There is slightly more wiggle room to get away from her but if she sees you and nailes her first 2 blinks, you're dead. Totally love her new addons especially the matchbox, it's so much fun to be a racecar nurse on PTB.
This is what I mean! People all LOST THERE MINDS before PTB even came out. She just isnt in a Tier of her own now! It gives so much more wiggle room to the Devs for Maps and other things!
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@Peanits said:
Yes, we did. They were far too powerful and didn't take any planning or skill to use. Any time you got hit, you could use it to get a free health state. You could even use a syringe after the killer downs a survivor to completely negate the entire chase and reset them back to healthy. It was definitely too much.
Honestly, this really is all that should have been said.
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Wow... you are very very salty. You should take a break from the game or something and get your head back in the right place. I don't think you realize that BOTH sides are being changed for balance, and that you are living up to a stereotype right now. Please, take some time to relax and think about it all.
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@Creepingcam1070 said:
Heres my buff idea
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/82999/my-legion-buff#latest
Very good ideas! I liked the "Missing only removes 25% of your power instead of ending" and the Mend action making people not able to do things like Doc's power!
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@gantes said:
The more I play and watch streams of the PTB the more I realize the nerfs aren't even that big of a deal. Nurse will still be #1, 100%. There just won't be a Nurse tier above everyone else anymore.
People love overreacting to stuff they know very little about.
I agree! I'd try her out myself but her blinking makes me wanna puke!
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@Aven_Fallen said:
I think the same and would say you got it right.
In order to balance the game, Nurse needs to go. She is too strong, and Nurse being there would simply not work. And you cannot simply buff all Killers to (current) Nurse-Level. It would not even be possible to adjust their powers that way.
So yeah, I would see, see it in a bigger picture.
Thank you! That's what I was trying to do. See it in the big picture!
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@FriendlyGuy said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/746517#Comment_746517
To counter her you can literally run in a straight line now. B a l a n c e d.
Please keep it civil! Have you played with the new Nurse?
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@AliXnm said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/745963#Comment_745963
FACTS. 👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽THE NURSE DIDN'T GET A NERF. SHE GOT BUFFED. 😂 TAKE THE TIME TIME TO READ HER ADD ONS. SHES BROKEN!!!
AND WE CONSTANTLY HAVE OUR PERKS MESSED WITH AND OUR ADD ONS PRACTICALLY TAKEN AWAY BUT YET NO ONE HAS A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/381210/discussions/0/1621724915795099897/
Also please take the time to read all of the list in the link, if you really feel the way you do.
Also to break down your meme there. BNP used to do 100% of a gen Instantly. Broken
Healing could be done between swipes of a Killer's weapon. Broken.
Exhaustion would be recovered while running. Broken and Silly to think about.
DS and BT are still used in the meta. MoM was broken in half.
Instaheals could be used to completely reset a chase with no skill needed other than press a button. Broken.
Please, you are making yourself look really entitled and all that. Do not feed into the stereotype of a "Survivor Main."
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Yall... they can't fix everything at once. Calm down, play the game, and try and have fun. Insta Heals were so broken they could be used to pick people up as the Killer wiped there blade off. Like RIGHT in front of them.
I do find it funny that both Killers and Survivors think the Devs are against them. They aren't. They are FOR the GAME. Killers will get used to Nurse not having her own Tier as Survivors will get used to not having Instant heals. Life will go on, and hopefully we will enjoy this game.
There is no need for all the bickering or complaining. After all, don't you think they'd listen more to good feedback then whining?
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Yall... they can't fix everything at once. Calm down, play the game, and try and have fun. Insta Heals were so broken they could be used to pick people up as the Killer wiped there blade off. Like RIGHT in front of them.
I do find it funny that both Killers and Survivors think the Devs are against them. They aren't. They are FOR the GAME. Killers will get used to Nurse not having her own Tier as Survivors will get used to not having Instant heals. Life will go on, and hopefully we will enjoy this game.
There is no need for all the bickering or complaining. After all, don't you think they'd listen more to good feedback then whining?
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@FriendlyGuy said:
I mean they reworked one map. After a whole Coldwind rework they should've started to think about nurse. Maybe.
AS I said! It may have been needed to start being ABLE to rework maps or bump up Lower Tier killers!
There just isnt a "Nurse" Tier any more! She's still good!
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@sorrowen said:
Nurse is still top killer if the nurse is good you still will die just as always minus the charge she remains number 1. So yes a god tier to good nurse you are still just dead also huntress got improved hitboxes so she will be more dangerous then before.
Yep! People were just upset (and still are) that there is no "Nurse" Tier anymore.
Honestly I think that's good for game balance and map reworking! WE have room to biump up low tier killers!
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@Marcus said:
They reworked only one map so far, Badham Preschool. Devs seem to be really slow with maps reworks and there are still huge maps like Rotten Fields, both Red Forest, Mount Ormond and Family Residence which will hurt the new Nurse much more than they did before.
Yes, but I just picture them lobbing Ideas for maps then remembering "Oh wait... Nurse..."
Also, the new map was one I was including in "Reworked"
They do need to speed up a tad on them, but give them a break on it cause its prolly REALLY hard to balance and make the assets and code it all so it doesn't break!
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@Creepingcam1070 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/746453#Comment_746453
I think Legion is one of those tricky killers because their ability is so unique.
Yeah, But we need to keep that Rush down playstyle! It's so fun!
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@Grimbergoth said:
Ive been reading post after post about "cashgrab" and "moneysink" and "ptw" , Let be real for just a moment and get our heads out of our collective tails .
If you think for one sec that BVHR isnt about making money , then you seriously need a reality check . Any and all game companies out there are a business , the first rule and most important , make money or go under … If this was a subscription based game then I might question the greed level involved behind some decisions , but it is not . So rather then having 100k people paying them a monthly fee of $15 , they have to create new ideas to generate that cash flow .
So before you condemn a idea they have based off of charges , ask yourself one question , after buying the game , how much have to paid per month to keep playing . If you average over $15 a month for each month they great and complain , but if you haven't then ask yourself what room do you have to complain .
There is a reason a lot of games have had a sub base or a battle pass or ptw features , they have to have money to pay their employees , the people who help make the new killers , who have the ideas for new exciting things to come , the people who have to slug away at the bugs and balance changes , and then the magicians that you see in streams that say here is what im going to do for you , all the while everyone else is behind the sceens doing the real magic .
In the end any game online has a cost overhead just to maintain service , not to mention development and progressing the game . if you expect a one time charge for a game then don't expect it to be a supported online game unless you are prepaired for micro transaction , subscriptions , battle passes and so on .
So please stop complaining about them looking for new ways to make money . I can only imagin some of you visiting a fast food restaurant and ordering a burger and then getting it and going where is my fries ? Being told that you would have to pay for fries you look as say they cost extra ??? this is soo unfair , its ptw ...
PS , I have to remind myself of these things as well from time to time … we all slip
THANK YOU
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Nope! I've played Red Ranks as Legion and done well!