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@Kerbert said:
I dont DC against Legion, but he is very boring to play as and against
I think Legion is fun to play as. The Rush Down Style is great!
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@Bleediss said:
Well, a streamer I watched for a little bit said "Legion has no counterplay like Nurse and Spirit."
So I guess those people exist and that's why they DC.
....... This hurts me... my soul... my brain... my fingers. *Legion stun animation*
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Yep! Kindred still trumps it of course.
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*thank you for the feedback in the other thread*
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@Kabu said:
This patch is no where near how bad Legion was gutted.
- The Legion now moves at default Killer speed (4.6 m/s or 115 %).
- The Frenzy movement speed was reduced to 5.0 m/s (was 5.28 m/s).
- Terror radius increased to 32 metres (was 24 metres) .
- The Legion can no longer see Blood while in Frenzy.
- Missing an attack in Frenzy cancels the power immediately.
- Frenzy power gauge amount lost when landing an attack outside of Frenzy: 50 % (was 100 %).
- Increased the duration of Frenzy to 10 seconds (was 6 seconds).
- Increased the recharge time of Frenzy to 20 seconds (was 15 seconds).
- Increased the default fatigue duration when Frenzy ends to 4 seconds (was 3 seconds).
- Frenzy can only be used when the meter is fully charged.
- The Bleed-out timer is no longer reduced by Feral Frenzy hits (was 10 seconds per hit)
As well as all of the changes to add ons.....(example: pin add ons)
If you think Nurse was treated as badly you are sorely mistaken. The only positive (in regard to buff vs nerf) change Legion recieved was increased base movement speed. Please don't compare this patch to Legion's mega nerf.
*cries in Legion main.... again.... but you right*
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Cause hating Legion has become a meme and I honestly catch alot of hate for playing them...
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Hi! They will be adding BPs and the Event stuff into the empty bits! I remember a Dev saying that!
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@BreadPiece said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/747641#Comment_747641
Humm I never said i didn't like it. I just said people's opinion in general about the price for the rift/battle pass, I never mentioned I didn't like, all I was saying was that nobody is mad because the game is making money and disagreeing with you, and the people are "mad" or can't really afford all these new things the game is bringing for us. What I mean is, It's not a complaint, it's an opinion.
Oh! okay! That's different then!
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ALSO! Even a Dev on here said that Insta Heals were too much and too easy to abuse and ruined the experience for Killers.
Please remember that Devs are on THE GAME'S SIDE. Not Killer or Survivor.
I can give proof.
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@Auron471 said:
Its kinda funny seeing how angry people get over these kinda of things, but also kind sad/frustrating because i can see where they are coming from.
Nurse Basekit: Got Legioned
Insta Heals: Got Legioned
Ebony Mori: *Overpowered Laughing*
Killer mains seems to just be eating each other ever since this PTB came out. I've already seen several comments saying "nurse basekit is fine we should be focused on nerfing spirit"
For the nurse nerfs, she seems kinda useless without addons. Her changes make her even harder to use when you are new. And it will at best bring the mlg nurse players down a peg or two. But they didnt even bother making nurse easier to pick up for a new player. The pro nurses will adapt and become godly within a few weeks, but the new nurse players will be launched so far down the tier list that they can see legion's butt. They need to make nurse easier to pick up and revert some of the changes to her basekit at the very least.
Instas: Honestly I was pretty bummed to find out that the instaheals got legion level nerfed. But i understand why they nerfed them. It was pretty toxic/annoying to see a dying survivor back up to healthy instantly. The new Syringe is fine, but i just wished it would heal fully after another 8s. Septic Agent is basicly just borrowed time and is only really going to be used as a selfish add-on. It shouldnt deplete the medkit imo.
Hopefully BHVR will do something to quell some of the forum explosions, but knowing them...
They will either do nothing for months to years, or panic and go to far in the other direction similar to what happened to MoM.
But we should all calm down a bit and not make too many emotional posts freaking out. Lets all try to be calm and give the PTB some more time. Try out the new nurse add-ons and maybe stop trying to play her like the old nurse.
*cries in Legion main*
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Cause they don't want to try or think.
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@BreadPiece said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/747156#Comment_747156
It's not about being mad because the game is getting more money, it's about all the money we already have to pay with things in general in-game like dlc's, cosmetics, etc if we want them, which ends up being frustating and unfair for the player base and I say that in general, and not speaking on my opinion about it.
If you don't like it, then don't do it! Don't know what to tell you friend!
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@PickCollins said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/744424#Comment_744424
Old Legion ignored 2/3 of these things and he was still very much middle C tier
Hi! Legion main here! No, Legion didn't "Ignore" windows or pallets! Had to vault them like we do now! Couldn't use the Power of "feral Frenzy" To warp time and space and we STILL got nerfed into the ground cause of an exploit and alot of whining! Please don't pull Legion into this dumpserfire! We've suffered enough! See ya in the fog!
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I think putting the Frenzy giving you a buff should be put into the main idea. What would yall want that buff to be?
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@Mochan said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/745506#Comment_745506
Right, so self-healing going from like 12 seconds to 30 seconds is a "paper-nerf"
Window vaults getting auto-blocked is a "paper-nerf"
Utterly gutting MoM is a "paper-nerf."
The entire Endgame Collapse mechanic is a "paper-nerf."
Get over yourself. These are huge, game-changing nerfs and are not "diluted" any more than Killer nerfs.
Hi! Would you like some lists of perks on both sides and a video of how DBD used to be?
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@Mochan said:
Nurse: Survivors hate her because she kills them easy with no counterplay at the highest levels. Killers hate her when they can't master her. They will never admit it but deep down in their heart they resent her because they reveal that they are not amazing at the game as they thought.
Leatherface: Survivors hate him for basement camping. Killers, hate him because he is weak.
Hillbilly: Survivors hate him because he always has BBQ and they know they are in for a game of locker hiding.
Freddy: Nobody hates Freddy right now. Except for me, because his Dreamworld kills my framerates.
Huntress: Hatchet Hitboxes/Iridescent Head. -> You are correct here finally we agree on something.
Demogorgon: Nobody hates Demogorgon, except for the small subset of people who hate his chase music.
Legion: Survivors don't hate Legion. Killers don't either. Only Legion Mains hate Legion.
Hag: Because she forces them to crabwalk or die.
Myers: Nobody hates Myters. He's fun and awesome.
Ghost Face: Everyone hates Ghostface for his wonky Reveal mechanics.
Doctor: Only Stealth Players hate Doctor.
Wraith: Survivors all hate Wraith because he is the ######### king of camping and tunneling.
Trapper: Survivors hate him because they were stupid enough to fall into his traps. (yes happens to me all the time!)
Pig: Only Pig Mains hate pig these days.
Spirit: Survivors hate her because she is the hardest killer to verse in a chase. Killers hate her because they see her as No Skill EZ Mode
Clown: Nobody hates Clown. Not even when he uses his Red Perfume Add On Thing.
Plague: Everyone hates plague. Survivors hate her because she's damned if you do, damned if you don't. The Shrubs hate her because they can't heal properly. The Elites hate her because she makes scrubs cleanse and they die as a result. Killers hate her because she is "just an M1 Killer" with a useless power that only Survivors have control over.
Not true. I really love playing as Legion. Just not all the hate I get. I don't even tunnel or camp or even slug...
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@Boosted_Dwight said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/747528#Comment_747528
Oh man people go to far some times. Hope you're doing okay.
Yeah. Thank you. I still play Legion. I really enjoy how they play and have a very civil thread for my rework idea at least.
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@Awakey said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/747528#Comment_747528
I assume you've reported them.
That got dark so fast.
Yes. I did.
When I say hating Legion is a thing, I mean it. It's a game... I've never understood. Legion isnt even good...
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@ruler33 said:
Honestly yeah the main reason i hate gf is because the stealth is impossibly stupid like 90% of the time. One time i was literally following a ghost face in stealth and it wouldn't knock him out of stealth.
Did he have the lower detection add-ons?
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I mean, I get people telling me to kill myself in alot of games just cause I like Legion. I get alot of racial slurs and just very rude behavior just cause I like the rushdown play style.
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@TAG said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/747462#Comment_747462
They buffed medkits, though?
I'm waiting for them to read the lists and watch the video. If they refuse, they are beyond help. If they don't see why they are wrong, then i'll be very very confused.
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@cosmicvolts said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/747420#Comment_747420
i mean there are little things that devs could do that would improve survivor morale and experiences. like shaving wiggle time or making it so that there are less hooks on a map the list goes on and on about improving survivor experiences but do they do it? no they nerf medkits...
Go look at the things I told you.
Also, they buffed healing speed of medkits.
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@cosmicvolts said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/747339#Comment_747339
and show me the perk nerf list
Oh, and I know it's Tru3 but this is a good example of how it was when I started playing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1fkX3H84SE -
@cosmicvolts said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/747339#Comment_747339
and show me the perk nerf list
Okay so Survivor isnt updated for whatever reason.
So i decided to write every nerf that survivor got since release i migh miss some so u can add: - Removed infinites - Added entity that blocks window if its been used 3times in a short time - Nerfed sabo meta (hooks respawns after 2mins) - Removed/Nerfend Jungle gyms - Nerfed sprint boost perks (adding exhaustion effect) cooldown sprint burst used to be on 20 or 30s cooldown dont remember atm.Make sure you read it first okay? All of it.
Now read ALL of this one for Killers that IS updated:
Given that someone thought it was a good idea to make a list of all the survivor nerfs that have occured since release to try and "prove a point", despite critiquing this methodology I have compiled a list of all killer nerfs in this game since release to counter it, as we were challenged to do (which would again somehow "prove" that survivors have been receiving the short end of the stick and therefore survivors cannot be overpowered) Disclaimer: Since the original list includes the fixing of...As far as perks, Well there is the Wiki but no list I think. If I find one, i'll send it... even of the Killer one has the perk nerfs for that.
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@PickCollins said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/747108#Comment_747108
I've already given BHVR my 2 cents. Plenty of people agree with me, the base power nerf was 100% not needed. You also do not seem to focus on this point at all.
BHVR promised if they changed her power, it'd be, using their words, "slight tweaks". An entire new mechanic that is basically a second fatigue stun is not a slight tweak at all.
Okay well, don't listen. I hope you have a nice day anyway. Good luck in the fog!
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https://deadbydaylight.gamepedia.com/Perks@cosmicvolts said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/747273#Comment_747273
i just mean like a perk like prove thyself shouldnt be like oh we will give you a 10% increase when youre next to another survivor it should be we will give you a 10% increase in general and then when you are next to a survivor we will give you 20% increase. The survivor advantages are always conditional as the killer perks are unconditional and by default activated just by being killer and most survivor perks are not like that at all......
Also here! I think you need to look at them side by side!
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@cosmicvolts said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/747273#Comment_747273
i just mean like a perk like prove thyself shouldnt be like oh we will give you a 10% increase when youre next to another survivor it should be we will give you a 10% increase in general and then when you are next to a survivor we will give you 20% increase. The survivor advantages are always conditional as the killer perks are unconditional and by default activated just by being killer and most survivor perks are not like that at all......
Not gonna point out the flaws there! I don't think I can get you to see my side though, so I am sorry! Just think about it some more and let me know if you wanna see the nerf lists!
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@Mert_MK said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/747268#Comment_747268
It's just really questionable to me how something gamebreaking like the ebony mori are still in the game after the recent Survivor nerfs. Would have been great to nerf it together with instas. I really hope it's going to be looked at next, together with keys.
Kinda off topic but wanted you to know, it's not that i want my main role to be stronger than the other. I prefer them to get rid of/adjust the unfun stuff in the game for balance.
Same! I love a back and forth battle!
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@GeneralSpudmuffin said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/746983#Comment_746983
It could even shift based on which killer they're facing! That might take some doing, and it would have to be rather subtle as to not completely give it away, but it would make one hell of a map!
I love it. This is one of the better ideas i've seen for a map.
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@cosmicvolts said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/747249#Comment_747249
yeah but survivors get all of these wasted aura perks that encourage team efforts and nothing thats crucially advantageous like killer perks. when youre in a random lobby most aura perks are wasted as theyre less likely to care about helping the team, and there arent any survivor perks that really do anything to help you win the match as a character theyre all focused on helping the entire team.
Also, to add to my reply earlier! You are on a TEAM! Of COURSE the perks would be TEAM BASED! You shouldn't be able to 1v1 a Killer! That would be horrid game balance!
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@cosmicvolts said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/747249#Comment_747249
yeah but survivors get all of these wasted aura perks that encourage team efforts and nothing thats crucially advantageous like killer perks. when youre in a random lobby most aura perks are wasted as theyre less likely to care about helping the team, and there arent any survivor perks that really do anything to help you win the match as a character theyre all focused on helping the entire team.
I have two lists of nerfs if you would like! The Survivor one hasn't been updated but the Killer one has been!
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@Mert_MK said:
Right, now that Killer's got instaheals out of the way, it's time to move on to the next thing and make keys useless.
Of course things like Ebony Mori, NOED etc. that require no skill are fine and can stay without any adjustments.
Stop please! Devs are on the GAME'S Side. Not Killer or Survivor! Things take time to fix, if they will get fixed! Trust me! I played in 2016-2017! Just breathe!
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@[Deleted User] said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/743823#Comment_743823
Honestly, except for the MoM debacle, Legions original state, and expected bugs that pop up with each update, i think the devs have been getting better and better lately with considered approaches to improving the health of the game.
I think they deserve some faith.
Same! And I'm a Legion main!
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@Xboned said:
I'm already quite annoyed with all the unplayable killers I bought because I haven't had time to level them all, lol. The last thing this game needs is another grind, imhfo.
But people seem jazzed about it, even if I have no idea why, so more power to them.
They give you more BP in the Rift even on the free side. So this will help your grind!
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@cosmicvolts said:
The instaheal styptic and anti hemorrhage are one in a blue moon, if you even get to them on the bloodweb theres not always a guarantee that youll get to use the medkit or the addon. Killers are at every advantage with their base attacks they dont even need perks a lot of the time, plague is op, hillbilly, cannibal, michael, ghostface, huntress, devour hope with hag, etc.........this was bullshit and just shows how this game favors killers and whats even more revealing and validating to that statement is how all of yall vote up all the snide comments invalidating survivors and people who agree the instaheal nerf is unecessary....devs dont care or listen to survivors....
Remember that he Devs are on THE GAME'S side. Not Killer or Survivor! There have been many Killer nerfs, like the Nurse one!
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@Spork said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/747225#Comment_747225
I'm sorry but I find it hard to believe that after having a cosmetic store that has outfits priced higher than any of their dlc, and releasing the game on multiple platforms still requires them to add a battlepass in a game that I would have never expected to see one in.
I mean, can you see there finances or there sales? Do you have the info they do?
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*cries in Legion main* Why is hating me a meme?
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@Spork said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/747137#Comment_747137
The saddest story is that these tactics have become popular in a lot of games today, and people like to enable it. There was nothing wrong with the cosmetic store that we have, and these new charms did not need to be the cause of another way to spend more money.
Though, would you rather they run out of money and stop being able to give you the game you like? Most of it will be free or come in the store later. Calm down.
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and your post is interesting.
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You are crazy.
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Really sad that yall are mad at a company for getting more money to keep the game alive that you like to play.
Just don't get it.
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@TicTokCringe said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/747026#Comment_747026
Well you're entitled to your own opinion
as are you! Even if a Dev agrees with me.
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https://youtu.be/_LgjuMzMYcQ@mcNuggets said:
The problem is, Nurse was a killer which were on her own tier, because she was needed to win some games, while all other killers couldn't do it.
Without addons n' #########, shes very balanced and good players can still win, while she has a good chance of winning either.
NOED on nurse however shouldnt work.
Just for some gameplay examples!
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@PickCollins said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/747059#Comment_747059
No. They don't. But Legion isn't anywhere near what Nurse is. Legion was reworked because people were exploiting unintended flaws in his design to be as toxic as possible. Nurse was designed with a clear weakness and clear strength. She's a power killer, but ONLY a power killer. Every other killer can brute Force their way through a chase and not have to think. Nurse could not do that. She needed her power.
And I was clearly wrong about Otz, but I know for a fact that Tru3 expressed the "Base Nurse is balanced" sentiment. And he's not wrong. Base Nurse IS balanced. But Nurse is a killer where there is no such thing as a down the line middle road way to balance her. She's either gonna be in a league of her own, or she's gonna be a dumpster fire that needs major buffs. This rework is pretty clear that she's gonna be a dumpster fire. Her new addons are largely #########, at least 7 of them are either nerfs or unholy garbage that whoever came up with should be fired on the spot for (sarcasm but you get the point).
And I would think as someone who likes Legion, you would want to see less killer reworks like his.
Oddly you will find alot of people disagree with other Killers being able to brute force there way through a chase. Also what you are saying now is going against the "Hyperagressive" style you mentioned earlier.
Also, Yes I like Legion and I can Still look at the bigger picture other than "Oh they nerfed my Killer! Riot!" The Devs are for the game. Not Killer or Survivor. The Game. What did I do when they nerfed Legion? I looked at it, sighed at the overnerfing then PLAYED THE KILLER. I got to be really good with Legion despite it all. I didn't complain, I only whined alittle, I got things done.
My best advice is to comment in the feedback for the PTB. I can't influence the Devs anymore than you can, of course. I think the best bet is to play the Killer, get used to it and then decide.
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Also, everyone remember. The Devs are on THE GAME'S side, not Killer OR Survivor.
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She's just not in a tier of her own anymore. I don't understand the people freaking out. This is one of those times you need to look at the bigger picture. Nurse not being a beast will mean that more changes can be done over all. Buff lower rank Killers, Rework maps. Cause guess what? YOu don't have the threat of Nurse being a TITAN anymore.
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@shirtlessdavid69 said:
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
That was very insightful and well thought out. /s
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.... are we really complaining about a company getting more money to keep the game we love alive?
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@PickCollins said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/747015#Comment_747015
Most people on these forums have extremely negative opinions on these changes and I don't blame them. If I recall correctly even Otz said Nurses base kit was perfectly fine and didn't need changed. I know Tru3 has expressed the same sentiment. And not many people have been able to actually argue that base Nurse is OP.
The only "OP" thing about Base Nurse is that she ignores pallets and windows. But what so many people DON'T account for is that she does that bc she's designed to. She's slower than Surviviors so she needs to be able to do that. What happens now is that Nurse is now left with a power that even one tiny remote slipup cripples her for the remainder of the fight. That, to me, is incredibly unfair and should be undone immediately. Nurse is a hyperaggresive killer, and this new change prevents her from being hyperaggresive.
If they wanted to do what they said this change was aimed to do, and create more windows to escape her, they could have increased the fatigue stun and they could have accomplished the same goal. This nerf was specifically tailored to hit more than just her chase potential. Her chase potential, map pressure, and mobility all took an enormous hit here, and that's not a nerf a character like Nurse can come back easy from.
I hope you also can appreciate how frustrating it is to watch this unfold from the perspective of a Nurse player. I have dumped 100s of hours into Nurse, learning her. Winning with her, losing with her, improving. And not using her strong add-ons unless it's a bad day/I'm about to have a rough game. To watch all that time I put into this killer get effectively thrown away is heartbreaking and infuriating.
Yes I'm pissed with BHVR for thinking that the atrocity that is the nerf to her base kit was something that should have left the concept desk.
Yes I'm pissed with Surviviors that are revering these changes and acting like Nurse is still the best killer in the game.
Yes I'm pissed that killer mains, especially the ones that have been down this road, are not jumping to her defense. If Nurse was the last bastion against SWF, they did a horrible job making sure she stayed that way.
The add-on change was necessary and while some of them are pointless (Bad man's Keepsake, Anxious gasp) or flat out awful (Campbells, Spasmodic. Both of her red add-ons), some of them look good and fun (like Jenner's last breath, or Bad man's last breath). But the base kit change was completely out of the blue and completely unnecessary
Well, I just watched a video with OTZ praising not only the add-ons but the base kit change.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O91_tO8v3cLegion was a hyperaggressive Killer too, and look what happened to them. I still main them man, I understand why you are upset. But I honestly Don't think it's a big a deal as you are making it out to be. Nurse no longer is in a Tier of her own. That's it. She's not SSS anymore. She's more even now. This leaves room for not only easier map reworks BUT buffs to the lower Tier Killers as well. On top of that, it will be easier to balance gen times and such because now it's not like "Oh... but Nurse..." just like it's "Oh... SWF..." some times. They can't balance everything at once man. Give it time. Breathe. Just try and enjoy the game for what it is, and know that they are doing every thing they can AND looking at the bigger picture if they want to keep getting money from this game at all.
Remember, They are on the GAME'S side. Not Killer. Not Survivor. Do you think they want there cash cow to die?
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@[Deleted User] said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/747035#Comment_747035
Yeah, well my 143 gateaus I still have on Clown have something to say about that. :p
...Still waiting on a Clown buff.
*cries in Legion main*