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Based on your other posts, I could absolutely believe that you would think that.Paddy4583 said:
Oh no I just got face camped by a survivor who stood in front of a chest stopping the search prompt....Tsulan said:@Peanits or @not_Queen could you please settle this?
Explain us who is right please. Since this leads nowhere.
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Quote me on where I call it balanced.No_Cluie_Louis said:@ad19970 said:
@No_Cluie_Louis said:
@ad19970 said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@No_Cluie_Louis said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@Master said:
@ad19970 said:
@Master said:
@ad19970 said:
@Tsulan said:
ReneAensland said:@Tsulan said:
Raccoon said:
Tsulan said: ReneAensland said: @Tsulan said: ReneAensland said:
@Tsulan said: ReneAensland said:
30 minutes ago. 2 minute video proving Face Camping exists. It's Toxic. And Baby killers DC just like DS users. faCe cAmpiNg wAs reMovEd doNt geT caUghT iTs thE suRvivOrs faUlt
Unhooked = no face camping. lol OooOoOOoooookay. Whatever you say buddy.
Want a dev stream where the devs explain what face camping was and how they removed it? lol No thanks, I don't want to be told what's Face Camping and what isn't by Rank 20 Devs. Thanks though. Oh really? What a surprise! You claim something, I disapprove, want to give you solid facts, and it's suddenly not interesting anymore. Yeah it's hard to face the truth after telling bullshit. His feelings and randomly capitalized letters were no match for you! I even searched the video and prepared everything to crush his dreams...
sigh
You're [BAD WORD] hilarious.
Reading this entire comment section is a breath of fresh air, but I'm guessing people like you have to be in the opposition even though a crap ton of people in this comment section agreed with the OP.
"I think you just got to be in the "out" group. Whoever's on top, whoever's in power, whoever's successful, you gotta be on the other side or you don't feel like the smartest guy in the room. All you are, my dear, is a contrarian."
This defines people like yourself.
You forgot the people that agreed with me.
You can call a dog a "cat" as often as you want. But it will still be a dog.
Why on gods earth are you two even discussing the definition of a word? Like what kind of time waste is that? Who cares what exactly facecamping has meant back then, and what OP means with facecamping and if he is using the wrong term. I think it's pretty obvious that with facecamping OP means a killer that is camping a hooked survivor, standing right by him and not leaving the hook. Who cares if this isn't actually facecamping? Especially since the removal of facecamping didn't change a lot anyways. Doesn't really have anything to do what the OP was getting at.
Are you joking?
Back in the days you were actually able to secure a kill via camping. Nowadays you cant bodyblock away from the hook while survivors can bodyblock you from the hooking prompt. ALSO, nowdays they got BT, unhook invulnerability, swivel hooks AND the faster unhook animationYou can still just grab the survivor when he tries to unhook right in front of you
No you cant, thanks to bodyblockign and the new unhook animation that you can cancel instantly
Oh my god, multiple survivors just swarming the killer... sounds like you could hit the unhooker twice and OMG have someone else to camp its like playing DBD but the survivors come to you.
Wahoooooo!
Thank you, every time i comment about something killers do unfairly on these forums, i get attacked and told i'm an idiot (even though i play more killer than survivor). Like i get survivors used to be OP and SWF still is but that doesn't mean killers aren't OP in some aspects too. It's nice to see someone actually back me up for once in saying face camping is a low skilled strategy that may work, but it's boring and you only win by boring the survivors to death... literally.
Yea, like his whole argument is based on wanting one particular survivor dead, he doesn't care that if someone does come to save it makes it INCREDIBLY easy to get that person on the hook as a trade.
Killers like that are honestly the worst, they just want the first person they hook dead as soon as possible and doesn't matter if they can hook someone else for more points.
It's because it can be effective. Once one survivor is dead the killer will have more of an advantage. You can not fault people for using a tactic the devs have made viable. It's on the devs to make not camping more rewarding and camping and tunneling less rewarding.
Well then how come in the past when i have suggested to nerf unjustified camping and buff leaving the hook, people have attacked me with the good ol' cAmPiNg WaS iNtEnTiOnAl jUsT dOnT gEt CaUgHt
Cause some killers mains want their easier way to get kills kept in the game. As simple as that. Or maybe they fear that when nerfing camping killers will just suffer more from gen rush.
To me it's clear, rewarding non camping killers more and rewarding camping and tunneling campers less is not just a balance improvement, but a fundamental design improvement for the game that improves the experience of both sides for the majority of the player base.Well i totally agree, so i wish people like @master and @Tsulan would stop claiming it's balanced
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Because one of them was on the stream?No_Cluie_Louis said:@Tsulan said:
@Peanits or @not_Queen could you please settle this?
Explain us who is right please. Since this leads nowhere.Why bring them into this? if they agreed, they would have done something ages ago. They're only so reluctant to as last time they tried, their attempt was awful and was mightily abused. I wish they would do something like @ad19970 is suggesting
Sure, let's make assumptions and insult each other based on what everyone's opinion is. Instead of asking one of the persons who was really there.
Solid logic!
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@Peanits or @not_Queen could you please settle this?
Explain us who is right please. Since this leads nowhere.
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I tried twice.ad19970 said:@SenzuDuck said:
@ad19970 said:
@Tsulan said:
SenzuDuck said:@Paddy4583 said:
ad19970 said:
@Tsulan said: I really wish that the devs would reverse the swivel hooks for a month or so. Wait, you mean so that the old face camping is possible again?
I think he’s trying to use the old argument of, it could be worse, in an attempt to negate his previous errors
Here the devs define face camping as being within one metre of the hook & facing the survivor, sounds about right tbh.
Not "face camping and preventing the hook from being accessible".
Thx honey, now fast forward to 27:00
Yeah. What they are saying is that there is now a way to deal with facecamping, and that killers can't block survivors from unhooking totally while face camping. No where do they say that face camping has been removed. It's just not as effective as it was before.
My favourite bit is where he calls me honey acting all proud and cocky without proving a single thing.
I feel like you two need to settle down with your fights anyways, just keep it calm, arguing about different opinions is fine, just don't take it to personally. And I know, honey just sounds stupid in that context anyways.
Maybe I should try a third time.
@SenzuDuck peace? -
Don't worry. I never move the goalpost. Unlike some others...SenzuDuck said:@Tsulan said:
SenzuDuck said:@Paddy4583 said:
ad19970 said:
@Tsulan said: I really wish that the devs would reverse the swivel hooks for a month or so. Wait, you mean so that the old face camping is possible again?
I think he’s trying to use the old argument of, it could be worse, in an attempt to negate his previous errors
Here the devs define face camping as being within one metre of the hook & facing the survivor, sounds about right tbh.
Not "face camping and preventing the hook from being accessible".
Thx honey, now fast forward to 27:00
Oh you mean the bit where he says "now what it stops is the fact that right now if the killer is right infront of someone on the hook there are no ways to unhook" and doesn't mention it stopping facecamping at all.
It's like you enjoy taking things out of context and making up your own.
Theres the link for you so you can listen to your own time stamp and understand he never mentions it stops facecamping.
You can move the goal post again now if you'd like, honey.
Let's see, face camping = survivors are unable to unhook, because the prompt doesn't show up.
Now the prompt shows up no matter what, because survivors can unhook from every side. But face camping still exists?
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Devs don't want that.ad19970 said:@Tsulan said:
ad19970 said:@Tsulan said:
I really wish that the devs would reverse the swivel hooks for a month or so.
Wait, you mean so that the old face camping is possible again?
Yes, just for a short time. Ya know?
I've seen people call a killer face camping when he was at least 40 meters away. But since he dared to look into the direction of the hook...I get that that's bs. But I'm pretty sure OP was talking about those that just camp right in front of the hooked survivor, never leaving him without any reason.
We need to reward killers more for not camping and reward killers less for camping and tunneling.
BBQ has been nerfed. So it's pretty save to assume they either want more camping or are not consistent with their ideas. -
Not everyone. But face camping doesn't exist anymore. People kept calling everything face camping, even if it doesn't even look the slightest like it.No_Cluie_Louis said:@Tsulan said:
ad19970 said:@Tsulan said:
I really wish that the devs would reverse the swivel hooks for a month or so.
Wait, you mean so that the old face camping is possible again?
Yes, just for a short time. Ya know?
I've seen people call a killer face camping when he was at least 40 meters away. But since he dared to look into the direction of the hook...Oh come on. Just because some salty idiot was trying to find a possible cause for his death other than being bad, doesn't mean that every survivor is lying about be facecamped
Infinites don't exist anymore. But wanna bet what happens when killers start to complain about infinites again?
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Thx honey, now fast forward to 27:00SenzuDuck said:@Paddy4583 said:
ad19970 said:@Tsulan said:
I really wish that the devs would reverse the swivel hooks for a month or so.
Wait, you mean so that the old face camping is possible again?
I think he’s trying to use the old argument of, it could be worse, in an attempt to negate his previous errors
Here the devs define face camping as being within one metre of the hook & facing the survivor, sounds about right tbh.
Not "face camping and preventing the hook from being accessible".
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Yes, just for a short time. Ya know?ad19970 said:@Tsulan said:
I really wish that the devs would reverse the swivel hooks for a month or so.Wait, you mean so that the old face camping is possible again?
I've seen people call a killer face camping when he was at least 40 meters away. But since he dared to look into the direction of the hook... -
I really wish that the devs would reverse the swivel hooks for a month or so.
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Yes and it's really funny to do this.HavelmomDaS1 said:
You mean the "run big loops around the map and do some LOS breaks so she will never catch up" loop? Yeah, pretty funny sometimes to loop a nurse this way, works really good without range addons.Tsulan said:
Billy is loopable. Even nurse can be looped for ages. But in a different way.CronaWins said:@Tsulan said:
Yeah sure... nurse is easy to play.
The reason why you only see those killers is because others are simply not viable on those ranks.
Want endless survivor queues on rank 1? Just nerf those killers.There not viable because they have to deal with a mechanic of the game; Looping.
And no other killer has that kind of map pressure except Billy.
But most survivors never tried it, because they instantly disconnect against her.
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Billy is loopable. Even nurse can be looped for ages. But in a different way.CronaWins said:@Tsulan said:
Yeah sure... nurse is easy to play.
The reason why you only see those killers is because others are simply not viable on those ranks.
Want endless survivor queues on rank 1? Just nerf those killers.There not viable because they have to deal with a mechanic of the game; Looping.
And no other killer has that kind of map pressure except Billy.
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You forgot the people that agreed with me.ReneAensland said:@Tsulan said:
Raccoon said:
Tsulan said:
ReneAensland said:@Tsulan said:
ReneAensland said:
@Tsulan said: ReneAensland said:
30 minutes ago. 2 minute video proving Face Camping exists. It's Toxic. And Baby killers DC just like DS users. faCe cAmpiNg wAs reMovEd doNt geT caUghT iTs thE suRvivOrs faUlt
Unhooked = no face camping. lol OooOoOOoooookay. Whatever you say buddy.
Want a dev stream where the devs explain what face camping was and how they removed it?
lol No thanks, I don't want to be told what's Face Camping and what isn't by Rank 20 Devs.
Thanks though.
Oh really? What a surprise! You claim something, I disapprove, want to give you solid facts, and it's suddenly not interesting anymore.
Yeah it's hard to face the truth after telling bullshit.
His feelings and randomly capitalized letters were no match for you!
I even searched the video and prepared everything to crush his dreams...
sighYou're [BAD WORD] hilarious.
Reading this entire comment section is a breath of fresh air, but I'm guessing people like you have to be in the opposition even though a crap ton of people in this comment section agreed with the OP."I think you just got to be in the "out" group. Whoever's on top, whoever's in power, whoever's successful, you gotta be on the other side or you don't feel like the smartest guy in the room. All you are, my dear, is a contrarian."
This defines people like yourself.
You can call a dog a "cat" as often as you want. But it will still be a dog. -
You remind me of that streamer who claimed that Freddy face camped him.ReneAensland said:@Tsulan said:
ReneAensland said:@Tsulan said:
ReneAensland said:
@Tsulan said: ReneAensland said:
30 minutes ago. 2 minute video proving Face Camping exists. It's Toxic. And Baby killers DC just like DS users. faCe cAmpiNg wAs reMovEd doNt geT caUghT iTs thE suRvivOrs faUlt
Unhooked = no face camping. lol OooOoOOoooookay. Whatever you say buddy.
Want a dev stream where the devs explain what face camping was and how they removed it?
lol No thanks, I don't want to be told what's Face Camping and what isn't by Rank 20 Devs.
Thanks though.
Oh really? What a surprise! You claim something, I disapprove, want to give you solid facts, and it's suddenly not interesting anymore.
Yeah it's hard to face the truth after telling bullshit.
What the [BAD WORD] is up your [BAD WORD]?
NO ONE has been talking about old Face Camping. This is considered FACE. CAMPING.Camping. In. Their. Face.
Is that honestly.....so.....difficult.....to understand?
Really? lol
This is laughable.
You're making me laugh with your stupidity.
Really entertaining.
Btw, can you argue without insulting or is this a old thing? -
I even searched the video and prepared everything to crush his dreams...Raccoon said:
His feelings and randomly capitalized letters were no match for you!Tsulan said:
Oh really? What a surprise! You claim something, I disapprove, want to give you solid facts, and it's suddenly not interesting anymore.ReneAensland said:@Tsulan said:
ReneAensland said:@Tsulan said:
ReneAensland said:
30 minutes ago. 2 minute video proving Face Camping exists. It's Toxic. And Baby killers DC just like DS users. faCe cAmpiNg wAs reMovEd doNt geT caUghT iTs thE suRvivOrs faUlt
Unhooked = no face camping.
lol
OooOoOOoooookay.
Whatever you say buddy.
Want a dev stream where the devs explain what face camping was and how they removed it?
lol No thanks, I don't want to be told what's Face Camping and what isn't by Rank 20 Devs.
Thanks though.
Yeah it's hard to face the truth after telling bullshit.
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Yeah sure... nurse is easy to play.CronaWins said:@Tsulan said:
CronaWins said:I avoid Nurse and Billy every game and just DC. Games are just boring vs'ing the same 2 killers over and over again when there are 14 killers in total.
Unfortunately, Billy and Nurse are way to high of tier and are unbalanced compared to every other killer, not to mention they are the easiest killers in game and take absolutely no skill to play.
Please don't bait.
Don't bait what?
I play both killer and survivor at rank 1 (before anyone jumps on the survivor main bandwagon). I know how strong these killers are from both sides and i know how easy they are to play. I can efficiently 4K mid-game compared to every other killer. It's really the insane map pressure they have compared to every other killer that makes them able to dominate so easily.
So yeah, when the player base isn't as large and you get the same killers over and over again. The game becomes stale and boring. There is a reason they are the most played killers at rank 1, and it's not because their hard to play.
The reason why you only see those killers is because others are simply not viable on those ranks.
Want endless survivor queues on rank 1? Just nerf those killers. -
Oh really? What a surprise! You claim something, I disapprove, want to give you solid facts, and it's suddenly not interesting anymore.ReneAensland said:@Tsulan said:
ReneAensland said:@Tsulan said:
ReneAensland said:
30 minutes ago. 2 minute video proving Face Camping exists. It's Toxic. And Baby killers DC just like DS users. faCe cAmpiNg wAs reMovEd doNt geT caUghT iTs thE suRvivOrs faUlt
Unhooked = no face camping.
lol
OooOoOOoooookay.
Whatever you say buddy.
Want a dev stream where the devs explain what face camping was and how they removed it?
lol No thanks, I don't want to be told what's Face Camping and what isn't by Rank 20 Devs.
Thanks though.
Yeah it's hard to face the truth after telling bullshit. -
Want a dev stream where the devs explain what face camping was and how they removed it?ReneAensland said:@Tsulan said:
ReneAensland said:30 minutes ago. 2 minute video proving Face Camping exists. It's Toxic. And Baby killers DC just like DS users.
faCe cAmpiNg wAs reMovEd
doNt geT caUghT
iTs thE suRvivOrs faUlt
Unhooked = no face camping.
lol
OooOoOOoooookay.
Whatever you say buddy. -
Face camping doesn't exist anymore. Before swivel hooks, survivors couldn't unhook because the unhook prompt wouldn't appear.LCGaster said:@Tsulan said:
It was removed over a year ago with the introduction of swivel hooks.Are you seriously this stupid or are you joking?
Survivors can now unhook from every angle. So face camping doesn't exist anymore.
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Unhooked = no face camping.ReneAensland said:30 minutes ago. 2 minute video proving Face Camping exists. It's Toxic. And Baby killers DC just like DS users.
faCe cAmpiNg wAs reMovEd
doNt geT caUghT
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Survivors: 4x DS is fair and fun to play against. Killers shouldn't be such babies.
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So the killer stood directly in front of you and the "press m1 to unhook" prompt didn't appear for other survivors?ToxicFengM1n said:@Tsulan said:
Face camping doesn't exist anymore.
"Killer mains" should know that.It does, I faced a pig, leatherface, hillbilly, and trapper that did it in rank 6-5
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It was removed over a year ago with the introduction of swivel hooks.ReneAensland said:@Tsulan said:
Face camping doesn't exist anymore.
"Killer mains" should know that.Oh really?
Really? lol
Ok. -
Please don't bait.CronaWins said:I avoid Nurse and Billy every game and just DC. Games are just boring vs'ing the same 2 killers over and over again when there are 14 killers in total.
Unfortunately, Billy and Nurse are way to high of tier and are unbalanced compared to every other killer, not to mention they are the easiest killers in game and take absolutely no skill to play.
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Killer has to hit me 5 times to down me?starkiller1286 said:
The horribly slow murder with a terribly inefficient weapon now in Dbd!jaerthebear said:
That can be scary, depending on how hard they can swing itTsulan said:Yeah it's really scary when someone chases you with a rubber spoon.
It stings ;^;
Better disconnect! -
Face camping doesn't exist anymore.
"Killer mains" should know that. -
Yeah it's really scary when someone chases you with a rubber spoon.
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Surprisingly they don't find it fun when he chases them with his rubber spoon.Raptorrotas said: -
And the reason for that buff would be?
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Survivors get 5000 points when the killer disconnects.
Killer gets 650 points per survivor that disconnects.
Go figure
Oh and @Peasant is right. Swf would abuse the ######### out of that. -
Counter question: why do SWF last second switchers disconnect, when I don't get blinded by their 4 torches?
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Because it's illegal to kill people in RL?
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They never explained fun for whom.se05239 said:I am worried. The developer's have shown that they want to make "FUN" killers, not valid or good ones. The next one's gonna be even worse.
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I don't think we'll get a high mobility killer. We had 2 in a row.Delfador said:Honestly, I had 0 excitement or hype for the legion for some reason but I kinda think that they are going to do a good job with this killer. I don't want to say I am hyped but yeah this is not going to be a terrible killer.
I hope for a killer that has map pressure, and high mobility that requires skill from both sides to deal with. I don't much care about his 'tier', not bottom tier and a fun killer is enough for me. It would be great if we get another high tier killer like hillbilly though.
We'll probably get a insta down killer. Same map pressure as everyone else. Low to mid tier. Something steampunk based. Victorian age. Maybe a mad scientist. The guy that was in the hollowed blight event. -
I don't really loop that much. Usually it depends on the map. Some are easier than others. Freddy's and Myers maps are perfect for my playstyle of juking.powerbats said:@Tsulan said:
Killers and survivors get roughly the same amount of bloodpoints per hour.
Killer gets more per match, because he does more.
Try interacting more with the killer. Stealth gives little points. Chases and stuns give tons of points.Or play killer...
Yeah sadly if you play stealthy while doing gens, unhooks, totems, chest searches you get less than if you did Merry go round simulator with the killer and did half that.
It works great if you're an expert top tier looper but for me i can get 1-3 loops done before the killer always catches me unless they're a potato.
So i always try and use loops what they were intended for to break los and try and escape but sadly there's just some places where it's not possible to do that.
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Killers and survivors get roughly the same amount of bloodpoints per hour.
Killer gets more per match, because he does more.
Try interacting more with the killer. Stealth gives little points. Chases and stuns give tons of points.
Or play killer... -
Don't worry, dedicated servers will be a big nerf for killers.
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And it should reset on every pickup.RoKrueger said:They need to buff DS. make it automatic and when it hits it completes 1/2/3 generators -
Since Dying Light and Insidious exist, you could say that the devs want killers to tunnel and camp.fcc2014 said:If that is the strategy you employ the other side may get salty about it but it is just that strategy.
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Gens pop to fast and to easy. No one bothers in doing totems and then those very same people complain about NOED.Sel said:@Tsulan said:
Same happens to face camping. Everything is face camping now.Btw, if all gens get done in 5 minutes or less, then that's a gen rush.
It's also being effective in doing the objective of the game. Why is 'gen rushing' said so often as if it's a bad thing? Yes, it's annoying when you're playing as killer and all the gens keep popping, it happens to me as well, I don't come to the forums to cry about it though, it's down to the fact you (not you specifically of course) didn't do good enough. Suck it up and move on like myself and all the other people who aren't entitled to 4Ks every match do.
There is no getting gud. Since no one can defend 4 gens at the same time.
A survivor team that wants to complete gens asap, will complete them. -
Same happens to face camping. Everything is face camping now.
Btw, if all gens get done in 5 minutes or less, then that's a gen rush. -
Maybe the devs should give us that DS skill check, they once showed on the stream.
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Am I the only one who misses the lol button?
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Devs want killers to camp. Otherwise they wouldn't have nerfed BBQ.
By nerfing BBQ they increased the amount of camping. So be careful what you wish for.
Also insidious wouldn't exist in the first place.
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That built needs actually a buff. Since it's from a time when Myers could stalk several survivors at the same time. Imagine a killer who can't attack you until the very end of the match.
He gets almost no points and even a 4k will probably be a black pip.
The mori indicates that he had a daily.
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I rarely get dodged. I use a stealth build on David. No one expects that.
I think that many dodge, because they think it's SWF. Since everyone enters simultaneously.
Can't blame them for that. Swf has a bad reputation for a reason. -
I haven't played for a week. Did anything change?Carpemortum said:
You havent played in how long but still know how to deal with current latch nurse?Tsulan said:
Nah, she's not OP. But you can't loop her like every other killer. Adapt your strategy.Poweas said:Tbf, she is overpowered as #########. But if you break LOS and use iron will to hide somewhere decently far, you'd be surprised at how easily you can lose her. That said though, against a god tier Nurse you will not have a chance.
You have to pay more attention to her tho. How much did she charge her teleport for example. Getting closer in the right moment can save you.
And it would help with server times because every time a game with a killer leaving happens in lobby, you dont need to requeue and wait another 20 mins. It would potentially allow you to wait for just a new killer. Also, dedicated servers would probably come with their refined matchmaking algorithm.
Either way. How would having DEDICATED servers not be better or at the very least, more reliable than p2p based on killer, who only makes up 20% of a lobby. It wouldnt make it worse. And you know it.
But it wont affect people who dont even play the game.
Survivors always talk about mindgames. Well here you can apply them.
Servers can have downtimes, be far away from your location or something else that won't let you play.
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That's one of the reasons why i believe, that servers won't solve the survivor queues or lobby dodges.Warlock_2020 said:I fear many don't understand what dedicated servers are going to do to the killer community. Right now, we host games and the game is based on our internet speed. So we may notice a few people "skipping" about due to lag, but the survivors are being yanked all over the field. When dedicated servers kick in, that won't work anymore. We will suffer our own lag, but the survivors won't as long as their connection is good.
I played 2 survivor games with my wife last night. The Trapper (I love facing my own killer!) was on a really bad net speed. I ran from the gas station to the bus, then got yanked back to the gas station where I was right next to the killer. #########! Then I start working a gen and BAM, I'm back by the killer shack where I left from 10 seconds ago. It was impossible to try to loop this killer due to lag. I kept getting yanked all over. He was a good player, but his lag made the game impossible. We talked afterwards (in a polite conversation, no toxicity) and he stated that his internet is not very good. This guy is going to HATE dedicated servers. His lag will be too bad to even consider playing killer.
Keep that in mind people. Get your net speeds worked out before dedicated servers. It will no longer work in your favor, it will be paralyzing as killers.